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Same here.
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India the story you never wanted to hear ..
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It seems that situations like these exist everywhere in the world.
My FIL/MIL's experience in Paris (in 2012):
Today I received a share from one of my FB friends about an Indian family that had visited Europe and how they lost their belongings (passport, money, ipad etc). Apparently Asians are targetted.
My SIL had apparently remarked to my wife that, after the sun sets, whatever happens, it is best to avoid the trains in Europe as anything can happen, to men and women alike.
Apparently every country might have its fair share of stories that we never want to hear...
My FIL/MIL's experience in Paris (in 2012):
Today I received a share from one of my FB friends about an Indian family that had visited Europe and how they lost their belongings (passport, money, ipad etc). Apparently Asians are targetted.
My SIL had apparently remarked to my wife that, after the sun sets, whatever happens, it is best to avoid the trains in Europe as anything can happen, to men and women alike.
Apparently every country might have its fair share of stories that we never want to hear...
prasad1
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Auhji,
I agree that there are dangerous places in every country. We the tourist must be on guard and not fall victim to such criminals.
Having said that, the rapes, eve-teasing and harassing (women) is becoming more and more violent. The educated, uneducated, young men have started this behavior, which was not there 30-40 years ago. May be more number of women are coning out or this viscous streak in young men is sue to frustration and movie heroes. I do not have the reason, nor do I have a solution. I feel that families have started to tolerate this dis-respect of women. In my younger days we would address women folks as mataji, or bahanji and respect accordingly. That respect is gone, it is all a game now in India. That is sad.
The sad thing happens in Syria, it is two lines in the news. But when it happens in India, that too in a metro cities that we frequent it hits too close to heart.
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Thursday's attack sparked anger on social media websites, and journalist groups protested in Mumbai on Friday afternoon, with many holding signs which read "Mumbai: India's New Rape Capital" and "Bring Rapists To Book!".
India's parliament in New Delhi also erupted in anger. India's Law Minister Kapil Sibal said sex assaults must be dealt with "in the most severe fashion". "This country cannot afford to have our women (and) children insecure in the hands of those who attack them," he told reporters.
Five men gang-raped a woman photographer in India's financial hub Mumbai, police said Friday, fuelling protests and stirring memories of a similar attack last December in New Delhi.
The attack took place on Thursday evening in an upmarket district of central Mumbai as the 23-year-old woman and a male colleague were taking photos of old buildings for a magazine.
The pair were approached by members of the gang and told they should not be there. The man was then tied up with a belt while the woman was raped repeatedly nearby, Mumbai's police commissioner Satyapal Singh told reporters.
"It is a shameful and extremely disturbing event," he said.
One man in his early 20s has been arrested while the hunt is on for his four alleged accomplices, who have been identified by police. Sketches of the accused have been released. The victim, reportedly an intern, is undergoing treatment at Mumbai's Jaslok Hospital and preliminary reports suggest multiple internal injuries, a police officer told AFP. A hospital statement said she was "stable".
India's parliament in New Delhi also erupted in anger. India's Law Minister Kapil Sibal said sex assaults must be dealt with "in the most severe fashion". "This country cannot afford to have our women (and) children insecure in the hands of those who attack them," he told reporters.
Five men gang-raped a woman photographer in India's financial hub Mumbai, police said Friday, fuelling protests and stirring memories of a similar attack last December in New Delhi.
The attack took place on Thursday evening in an upmarket district of central Mumbai as the 23-year-old woman and a male colleague were taking photos of old buildings for a magazine.
The pair were approached by members of the gang and told they should not be there. The man was then tied up with a belt while the woman was raped repeatedly nearby, Mumbai's police commissioner Satyapal Singh told reporters.
"It is a shameful and extremely disturbing event," he said.
One man in his early 20s has been arrested while the hunt is on for his four alleged accomplices, who have been identified by police. Sketches of the accused have been released. The victim, reportedly an intern, is undergoing treatment at Mumbai's Jaslok Hospital and preliminary reports suggest multiple internal injuries, a police officer told AFP. A hospital statement said she was "stable".
prasad1
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Sir,
I am sorry you chose to victimize the victim again. Your sympathy for the rapists is deplorable to say the least. I am not going to write about your opinion any more as I am sure you know where I stand.
prasad1
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Mumbai no longer a city we grew up in: B-town
Some of the popular names of B-town took to micro-blogging site Twitter to show their concern and express grief.
Karan Johar Pooja Bhat Anupam Kher Shobhaa De: Manoj Bajpayee: Onir: Gul Panag: Shreya Ghoshal: Celina Jaitly: Ehsaan Noorani: Tisca Chopra: Pooja Bedi: Varun Dhawan: Sophie Choudry: Shekhar Ravjiani:
Mumbai no longer a city we grew up in: B-town
Some of the popular names of B-town took to micro-blogging site Twitter to show their concern and express grief.
Karan Johar Pooja Bhat Anupam Kher Shobhaa De: Manoj Bajpayee: Onir: Gul Panag: Shreya Ghoshal: Celina Jaitly: Ehsaan Noorani: Tisca Chopra: Pooja Bedi: Varun Dhawan: Sophie Choudry: Shekhar Ravjiani:
Mumbai no longer a city we grew up in: B-town
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Was she scantily dressed?????
Police woman, returning with relative's corpse, raped in Jharkhand | NDTV.com
Police woman, returning with relative's corpse, raped in Jharkhand | NDTV.com
It is, indeed, a tragedy that has befallen the woman constable, but I fail to see the relevance of the poser. Perhaps, it is meant to be sarcastic. But as far as I can see nobody in this site has claimed that women are raped, in India, only because they are improperly dressed.
The case in question seems to be some kind of retaliation; what the inside story is, we can at best speculate.
The argument is that the cultural impact of the western trend in clothing and lifestyle has shaken up the majority of the Indian mass, in a jarring way. Add to it, the sometimes subtle and otherwise overt entertainment media, where women, are, more or less, restricted to an object of pleasure only, has had a profound impact on the mindset of men. As a sidetag to entertainment, porn has spread its parasitic limbs to a significant extent that even the tender minds of school going children are exposed to them.
The combination of alcohol & porn is deadly; more deadly is the combination of porn, alcohol and a jobless mob.
These are factors which one would do well to heed.
I will not expect you to agree with me, but the fact exists in spite of any disagreement !!
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I like this response to the twittering by glitterati:
"And these same dogs have no hesitation making movies that glorify violence against women, stalking and perversions against women, nudity and sex to sell at the box-office, denigrate Hinduism at very nook and corner to further demoralize people, and what not!! These dogs now shed hypocritical tears at the outcome of their years of work.
Bollywood dogs - it is not a measure of your liberalism when you do all of the above: it is a measure of your sick minds, intentionally destroying the Indian society, all for money (after all, you are beholden to your Dubai masters, isn't it?). No sympathies for you. If your kind meets such a fate, you deserve it."
Yes, these same people gave us the Choli ke peeche kya hai song and dance.
prasad1
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AUhji,
The sarcasm can be understood by regular readers. You joined well after the Delhi rape case. The main opposition argument was that the victim deserved it, and the other side it was said that women's dress and time of day should not matter.
So in defense of Naraji's comment, it was meant for us old timers on this site. LOL
I think the woman was telling the truth, the harsh truth, and nothing but the truth. While growing up in Delhi (now with the dubious distinction of being the rape capital of the world) many many years ago, every girl had to be wary while boarding the DTC buses and even while walking on the streets. Ok, this is/was Delhi, but the same can well be true of other Indian cities, esp where white-skinned-blue-eyed foreigners are concerned. I don't know why western women are considered promiscuous, but this seems to be the general consensus. Or perhaps they are considered an easy target because they have less recourse? I don't know all the answers, but all I can say is that I don't think this woman is exaggerating. It happens to young Indian women, so why can't it happen to foreigners?
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It is not just white skinned women, even Indian women of all ages and every group goes thru this experience. We do not give enough private space to women. Eve-tesing was tolerated and this is the next progression. It is sad.
Who will answer these questions?
1. The ten acre mill area is in a dilapidated condition, with wild vegitation and is frequented by drug addicts and gamblers. The police knew that.
2. Even the people having business, shops in the lane leading to the mill area do not venture inside; some have never crossed the gate in the last fifteen years/
3. Why should anyone, let alone the photo journalist, enter the mill area in the sunset hour, the cloudy weather contributing to gloom and darkness. Definitely this place is not CST or taj hotel (people in these places too took a grave hit).
4. If the assignment is important, then perhaps a bigger team should have gone.
5. After the delhi incident, there were many recommendations - to download and install ice apps in mobiles (location will be sent to the police or a friend) or personal safety devices like pepper spray or siren.
6. There are pockets even in newyork or london which are unsafe for both men and women (mugging) at ungodly hours. I have faced a frightening time in newyork.
7. The media company the girl worked for, is just about hundred metres away; the bosses must have known the reputation of the mill land and warned the reporters.
The world outside has plus and minus points; we must prepare ourselves for handling both.
1. The ten acre mill area is in a dilapidated condition, with wild vegitation and is frequented by drug addicts and gamblers. The police knew that.
2. Even the people having business, shops in the lane leading to the mill area do not venture inside; some have never crossed the gate in the last fifteen years/
3. Why should anyone, let alone the photo journalist, enter the mill area in the sunset hour, the cloudy weather contributing to gloom and darkness. Definitely this place is not CST or taj hotel (people in these places too took a grave hit).
4. If the assignment is important, then perhaps a bigger team should have gone.
5. After the delhi incident, there were many recommendations - to download and install ice apps in mobiles (location will be sent to the police or a friend) or personal safety devices like pepper spray or siren.
6. There are pockets even in newyork or london which are unsafe for both men and women (mugging) at ungodly hours. I have faced a frightening time in newyork.
7. The media company the girl worked for, is just about hundred metres away; the bosses must have known the reputation of the mill land and warned the reporters.
The world outside has plus and minus points; we must prepare ourselves for handling both.
prasad1
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Sarangji,
Your post is typical male response of not wanting to be the part of solution but be the problem itself. I have said elsewhere that you have been in 14th century, but may be you belong to to the 7th century. Please do tell us how you have been alive for 14 centuries? At least your ideas are that old.
Please read post#33.
Your post is typical male response of not wanting to be the part of solution but be the problem itself. I have said elsewhere that you have been in 14th century, but may be you belong to to the 7th century. Please do tell us how you have been alive for 14 centuries? At least your ideas are that old.
Please read post#33.
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I was working in Mumbai till 1992 and our contract bus (to & from office) used to pass through the road near this Sakthi Mills, on some occasions. Even in those days it was a well-known secret (!) that this Mill and its compounds were permanent "addas" of many anti-social elements and that all kinds of anti-social and unlawful/criminal activities were being carried on there, especially after nightfall. It is now more than twenty years since those days and the condition could have only worsened, not improved, because just like most parts of the country, the criminal mafia of Mumbai are all too powerful, even for the government or the police. One more aspect to be noted is that these mafias also provide a large number of Mumbai residents with a source of livelihood; one example is the drug sales network which spreads invisibly throughout Brihanmumbai. Perhaps we may consider it as the gentlemanliness of these dangerous people, that they seldom trouble other innocent citizens unless they poke their nose into the areas of the mafias' works etc.
This having been the situation for more than two decades and what is more, well-known also in Mumbai, this lady photojournalist was probably deceived (by her employer/s) to undertake this job with just one male companion, who also was probably unaware of the true position.
While I fully empathize with that girl, I cannot but say that she should have collected more info. about her assignment and weighing its pros & cons, before deciding to accept it.
Suppose somebody asks you to go to Pakistan, would you just blindly dash forward without any analysis of the area? Post #39 has just listed as to why the photojournalist's act of going to the "shady" place, without adequate security or precaution, was a mistake.
I dont see how you inferred what you had to infer from that post.
Now, I did not expect this response... which inference, sorry to say, is also completely off the track.
Sir,
It is difficult to be on the other side on the "rape" topic in this forum, lest one be branded with possession of rape genetic traits, but I agree with your post fully.
I have a feeling that female media persons are becoming or being used as an unwitting tool in the turf war between police, politicians, gangsters, Godmen etc. A few months back there was the case of arrest of a female journalist as a suspect in the murder of some underworld entity and routine reporting of molestation and attempted molestation cases.
Unsavory result or outcome is then brought in front of the media as an isolated case and the matter is attempted to be washed off.
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Note:
I realize this post should belong to the thread "http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/general-discussions/13144-one-more-nirbhaya-photojournlaist-gangraped-5-men-mumbai.html" and have accordingly moved it.
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Instead pussyfooting around the topic, come out and say what is in your mind. All those people who are (in good intention) are telling the women to stay away from all dangerous spots, are really do not want women to work. If any worker is threatened and intimidated from working, we have not provided for equal opportunity to work.
Mr. Sangom sir is (proudly) claiming that Mill area of Bombay has been an area of illegal activity for last 30 years. What is the law enforcement is doing with a known crime area? Why has it not been cleaned up?
In the wake of the gang rape of a woman photojournalist in Mumbai, Maharashtra Home Minister R.R. Patil said his government had always advocated that women journalists who have to visit secluded places or undertake difficult assignments at late hours, should apply for police escort.
It was not surprising that Mumbai’s women journalists declined Mr. Patil’s paternalistic offer with anger, saying that while they want a secure environment in which to function as professionals, just like everybody else, it is absurd to imagine that they would want to discuss their work with police personnel or settle for a gender-centric set of rules designed ostensibly for their safety.
Aside from what it means for media freedom, how does such a statement play out in the real world, quite removed from the ersatz universe of political expediency? Most journalism, by its very nature, entails visiting “secluded places” and “undertaking difficult assignments.” Going by a back-of-the-envelope calculation, if all the women journalists working in the State’s 11,229 publications (2011 figures from the Registrar of Newspapers for India) — not including the innumerable news channels and webzines located in the State — ask for police escorts, think of the number of policepersons “on media duty” that Mr. Patil would have to mobilise for this onerous task.
In fact, the reason why women media professionals often court danger and take personal risks is precisely because they still fear not being taken seriously as professionals. In 2011, a few months after a woman television correspondent was sexually assaulted during the tumultuous events at Cairo’s Tahrir Square in 2011, the Committee to Protect Journalists spoke to four dozen journalists who have undergone varying degrees of sexual violence. They were either gang raped or subjected to aggressive groping, in retaliation for their work or during the course of their reporting.
But there is also the larger issue of the general security of all professional women in a milieu where sexual assaults have become so normalised that ‘rape’ has become just another four-letter word of abuse.
Mr. Sangom sir is (proudly) claiming that Mill area of Bombay has been an area of illegal activity for last 30 years. What is the law enforcement is doing with a known crime area? Why has it not been cleaned up?
In the wake of the gang rape of a woman photojournalist in Mumbai, Maharashtra Home Minister R.R. Patil said his government had always advocated that women journalists who have to visit secluded places or undertake difficult assignments at late hours, should apply for police escort.
It was not surprising that Mumbai’s women journalists declined Mr. Patil’s paternalistic offer with anger, saying that while they want a secure environment in which to function as professionals, just like everybody else, it is absurd to imagine that they would want to discuss their work with police personnel or settle for a gender-centric set of rules designed ostensibly for their safety.
Aside from what it means for media freedom, how does such a statement play out in the real world, quite removed from the ersatz universe of political expediency? Most journalism, by its very nature, entails visiting “secluded places” and “undertaking difficult assignments.” Going by a back-of-the-envelope calculation, if all the women journalists working in the State’s 11,229 publications (2011 figures from the Registrar of Newspapers for India) — not including the innumerable news channels and webzines located in the State — ask for police escorts, think of the number of policepersons “on media duty” that Mr. Patil would have to mobilise for this onerous task.
In fact, the reason why women media professionals often court danger and take personal risks is precisely because they still fear not being taken seriously as professionals. In 2011, a few months after a woman television correspondent was sexually assaulted during the tumultuous events at Cairo’s Tahrir Square in 2011, the Committee to Protect Journalists spoke to four dozen journalists who have undergone varying degrees of sexual violence. They were either gang raped or subjected to aggressive groping, in retaliation for their work or during the course of their reporting.
But there is also the larger issue of the general security of all professional women in a milieu where sexual assaults have become so normalised that ‘rape’ has become just another four-letter word of abuse.
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