It is said that all are sudras by birth!

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I asked a person who is into Sastras etc. He said this verse is not about any ladder in a society and only says how every person can aspire to achieve something called realization. He also said people will only react to words without trying to understand. Seems like what is going on here.
I am in interested to know if what I heard is accurate from scholars here.

 

[sarang]

And Krishna who is brahman is not a brahmana. Understanding of such isolated sentences will be possible if all such related statements are studied together in their proper contexts and conflicts are resolved. This is what bhashyas, tippnis and upatippanis of the guiding spirits have done. In cambodia and later in bangladesh, many intellectuals, university professors were murdered for reasons unknown. All explanatory manuals accept the superiority of veda, upanishad, vedanta sutra and gita, and a healthy acceptance of the way of life.

What was the context of the sloka in shanti parva?

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Doctor Mam,

The ground reality is that the Government was asked to conduct census on caste-wise by the High Court.

"The High Court In its 2012 order, had said, that when it is the position that after 1931, there has never been any caste-wise enumeration or tabulation and when there cannot be any dispute that there is increase in the population of SC/ST/OBC manifold after 1931, the percentage of reservation fixed on the basis of population in the year 1931 has to be proportionately increased by conducting caste-wise census by the government in the interest of the weaker sections of society."

Only very recently the Supreme Court junked the High Court order on caste based census.

Source: Supreme Court junks HC order on caste-based census - The Times of India

 

[Raji Ram]

If I remember correct, one active member, no more in this forum, was upset if the word 'shu--a' was used! out:

And hence members were afraid to use that 'S' word! :fear:

 

[sarang]

Tamil upanyasakars are careful to use the word 'vellalar'; but hindi pravachans use the word without any inhibition when chatur varnas are referred to.

If I remember correct, one active member, no more in this forum, was upset if the word 'shu--a' was used! out:

And hence members were afraid to use that 'S' word! :fear:

 

[Brahmanyan]

It is said that all are sudras as by birth !

The reservation of seats for the so called "backward classes" in education and employment is based on Mandal Commission report. This Commission has based all their findings on the last census of Caste based Census done in
British India in 1931, which is redundant today. The demography of India has changed a lot, after partition and integration of States. It is only fair to do a fresh Caste based Census. Otherwise it has only political value for votes.
Time has come to have a relook on the entire issue based on economic condition of the individual.


Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[sarang]

Only yestrday some lingayat studetns were denied admission in an IGNOU course in bengaluru because their 'creamy layer' status has dislodged them from the backward list. They shouted for a while and then disbursed peacefully.

 

[renuka]

And Krishna who is brahman is not a brahmana.

???? Why should Krishna be a Brahmana?

Krishna is an Avatar...He is beyond any classification.

Brahmana per definition means "One who has realized Brahman"

Only a person who did not "know" Brahman can get to "know" Brahman and becomes a Brahmana.

So it clearly denotes a state of transition for a human being.

Krishna is Paramatma...He does not go tru the struggle like a human to reach the state of Brahman.

 

[sarang]

Brahmin is an anglisized word for brahmana. In tamilnadu and elsewhere there are brahmanas.

 

[sadasivam.sridharan]

Lord Krishna says "chaaturvarnyam maya srushtam guna karma vibhaakashaha" The fourfold varna system was created by the Lord according to the differentiation in the guna and karma. The saatvic guna and karma leading to atma gnanam are the hallmarks of Brahmins as per Upanishads.How many of so called brahmins today fit into this definition is a big question mark.

 

[sarang]

Admission is given. Learning and passing the exam need effort and hard work.

Lord Krishna says "chaaturvarnyam maya srushtam guna karma vibhaakashaha" The fourfold varna system was created by the Lord according to the differentiation in the guna and karma. The saatvic guna and karma leading to atma gnanam are the hallmarks of Brahmins as per Upanishads.How many of so called brahmins today fit into this definition is a big question mark.

 

[sarang]

Krishna is born in yadu kula and follows yadu dharma. Vamana was born as a brahmana and followed that varna dharma. That is why issues like rama ate non veg or vamana asked for dhaana and such acts and behaviour are accepted and taken as normal for that avatar.

Many such contradictions cease to be so, if the basics are understood and accepted.

Brahman is different from brahmana, and any non-brahmana too can realize brahman. There is no connection between chaturvarna classification and realization of brahman.

???? Why should Krishna be a Brahmana?

Krishna is an Avatar...He is beyond any classification.

Brahmana per definition means "One who has realized Brahman"

Only a person who did not "know" Brahman can get to "know" Brahman and becomes a Brahmana.

So it clearly denotes a state of transition for a human being.

Krishna is Paramatma...He does not go tru the struggle like a human to reach the state of Brahman.

 

[sadasivam.sridharan]

It is absolutely true that the goal of atama gnanam is not the prerogative of brahmins only.in fact, there were many many great realised souls in the puranas, , even in recent past who were not brahmins by birth.But Upanishads prescribe that Brahmins should pursue Brahma gnanam as their main avocation through study of vedas.Their responsibilty does not end with study of Vedas, they have to propagate the atma vidya to all the deserving and aspiring people. Upanishad says " svaadyaaya pravchanaabhya na prmadhithvyam" Don't neglect acquiring Brahma gnanam and after acquiring propagating the same to aspirants.This is the meaning of the Upanishad vaakyam.