It's time to stop religious dicrimination against hindus when it comes to educational institutions

[Janaki Jambunathan]

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Why have a reservation on caste basis at all?
Why not have all admission merit-based

Give extra tuition credit to financially deprived students, or some regional groups.

ருசி கண்ட பூனைs will resit that move - admission merit based - Financial aid means based . You saw them opposing that when 10% reservation was announced for people who are not in any of the existing reservation system - on economic criteria - Modi did implement - with no reforms in the existing systems - but added one more quota!

 

[Balacs]

In Christian and islamic institutions hindu cannot become principal (#9)

This sweeping statement not true - Rev.Sister Rose when she started Fatima College Madurai in 1953 made Ms.Sakuntala aTamil Brahmin the principal - She retired in 1983 - she continued even after Rev.Sister's death in 1967 - Merit was rewarded in that era - Merit may not be recognized today!

With due respect, Sir, this is an isolated case. Today the situation is entirely different. Even when I graduated in 1977 from a world renowned college run by by a Christian Missionary in Kolkata, all Christian students, irrespective of whether they were Catholic or Protestants, were favoured for admission with even average academic scores. While the Faculty comprised people from various religions and communities, Christians were preferred. The Vice Principal and Principal were Christians. This I had observed in my College for over 40 years since graduation.

 

[renuka]

It is amazing how some Hindus will spout utter rubbish. The Hindu population in Pakistan has come down from 26% to 3% or even less. Hindu girls are routinely kidnapped, forcibly converted to Islam and then abandoned. Muslim population is growing significantly in India not only burdening the exchequer but resulting in over consumption of scarce natural resources. India is the only country in the world where the minority have the first claim on various Government Schemes. I am not saying this but merely throwing light on what Dr. Manmohan Singh did or said. In Saudi an animal, ironically, has more rights than a Hindu!

In Saudi an animal has more right than a Hindu?
Really? My spouse works there and he said no one treats other religion individuals badly.
He said its unlike what the media shows and no one gets carried away by religion becos they are sure of themselves becos its their culture and their religion.
He in fact enjoys the nation saying that people are always willing to pick up good habits from other communities like vegetarianism etc and always willing to share their views while being polite and courteous.

 

[Balacs]

In Saudi an animal has more right than a Hindu?
Really? My spouse works there and he said no one treats other religion individuals badly.
He said its unlike what the media shows and no one gets carried away by religion becos they are sure of themselves becos its their culture and their religion.
He in fact enjoys the nation saying that people are always willing to pick up good habits from other communities like vegetarianism etc and always willing to share their views while being polite and courteous.

A physiotherapist known to me stated this. He was in Saudi Arabia for nearly 7 years.

In Saudi Arabia there is the concept of blood money ("diyya"). If a person has been killed by someone, he has to pay blood money as follows:
300,000 Riyals if the Victim is a Muslim man
150,000 Riyals if the Victim is a Muslim woman
50,000 Riyals if the Victim is a Christian or a Jewish man
25,000 Riyals if the Victim is a Christian or a Jewish woman
6,666 Riyals if the Victim is a Hindu man
3,333 Riyals if the Victim is a Hindu woman

Saudi Arabia is a medieval country where public beheadings on Fridays and payment of blood money to victim's family is the norm.

Imagine how much of an uproar and indignation there would be if such discriminatory systems were to exist in other countries. However, no Western Government cares to take up such issues with Saudi Arabia for fear of disrupting their oil supplies.

The Saudis on their part do not bother the Chinese for torturing and trying to indoctrinate more than 1,000,000 Uighur Muslims. A nice quid pro quo!

 

[renuka]

A physiotherapist known to me stated this. He was in Saudi Arabia for nearly 7 years.

In Saudi Arabia there is the concept of blood money ("diyya"). If a person has been killed by someone, he has to pay blood money as follows:
300,000 Riyals if the Victim is a Muslim man
150,000 Riyals if the Victim is a Muslim woman
50,000 Riyals if the Victim is a Christian or a Jewish man
25,000 Riyals if the Victim is a Christian or a Jewish woman
6,666 Riyals if the Victim is a Hindu man
3,333 Riyals if the Victim is a Hindu woman

Saudi Arabia is a medieval country where public beheadings on Fridays and payment of blood money to victim's family is the norm.

Imagine how much of an uproar and indignation there would be if such discriminatory systems were to exist in other countries. However, no Western Government cares to take up such issues with Saudi Arabia for fear of disrupting their oil supplies.

The Saudis on their part do not bother the Chinese for torturing and trying to indoctrinate more than 1,000,000 Uighur Muslims. A nice quid pro quo!

If one behaves the above rule wont apply.
Blood money only works if the victim's family is willing to accept it.

Coming to the rates for each religion and gender...Manu smriti too has such rates depending on varna and the last varna is the cheapest of all to pay a fine and let's not forget that in Saudi a muslim himself would face the death sentence if convicted.
A prince himself faced a death sentence for killing a commoner a few years back.
But not so in Manu's smirti where are Brahmana does not face the death sentence if convicted of murder.

For rape of various castes..the fine for raping a woman of the last varna is very less but the rate goes higher and higher if the Varna is higher.
If I am not mistaken its a death sentence if a Sudra males rapes a Brahmin woman but not so if a Savarna rapes a avarna.

Well..what to say? Ancient laws can be partial and draconian. You are right about the public beheading...its still there in open unlike other countries that hang in private or electric chair.
BTW USA its also electric chair watched by a selected few and family of the victim.


My husband has been there for 6 years and he loves it there...he says law and order is tip top..if you leave your bag or wallet in a taxi..you will surely get it back cos no one dare steal.

 

[Balacs]

If one behaves the above rule wont apply.
Blood money only works if the victim's family is willing to accept it.

Coming to the rates for each religion and gender...Manu smriti too has such rates depending on varna and the last varna is the cheapest of all to pay a fine and let's not forget that in Saudi a muslim himself would face the death sentence if convicted.
A prince himself faced a death sentence for killing a commoner a few years back.
But not so in Manu's smirti where are Brahmana does not face the death sentence if convicted of murder.

For rape of various castes..the fine for raping a woman of the last varna is very less but the rate goes higher and higher if the Varna is higher.
If I am not mistaken its a death sentence if a Sudra males rapes a Brahmin woman but not so if a Savarna rapes a avarna.

Well..what to say? Ancient laws can be partial and draconian. You are right about the public beheading...its still there in open unlike other countries that hang in private or electric chair.
BTW USA its also electric chair watched by a selected few and family of the victim.


My husband has been there for 6 years and he loves it there...he says law and order is tip top..if you leave your bag or wallet in a taxi..you will surely get it back cos no one dare steal.

I find it absurd and laughable that you should quote the Manusmriti when we are discussing the present day medieval and regressive culture prevalent in Saudi Arabia. The fact that a Prince was publicly beheaded does not justify public beheadings which is treated as a public sport. On top of it, you are drawing a parallel of public beheadings with death by electric chair in the US where, according to you, the victim's family gloats over the death of the accused. A public beheading is a sport for the public in Saudi where its citizens clap and cheer. This kills all sensitivity in an individual. Probably you would be at home with it. I wouldn't. While you are at it why not draw parallels with the French guillotining their criminals publicly or Nazi Germany having a fancy to hang its political opponents on meat hooks!

The Manusmriti does not apply in India. The Code of Criminal Procedure does. One cannot commit murder and go scot-free by paying money to the victim's family. The fact that the victim's family may not accept blood money does not make it less worse.

To each his own! My wife is a brilliant academician and progressive individual but would find it repulsive to wear an "Abaya" while you would probably revel at it. Good luck to your spouse in Saudi. It is heartening to note that he is unlikely to lose his personal effects in Saudi. Probably the perpetrator's right hand, if not both, would be chopped off at the elbows. If you are happy with the thought, who are on earth am I to complain!

One sparrow does not a summer make. I, for one, would not want to be found dead in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

 

[prasad1]

Tamil Brahmins, in general, have very little to do with Pakistan, a Failed poor state.
There is no reason to hijack every thread to Pakistan. If someone has an obsession with Pakistan please go there and do what you want to do. We have no interest in improving some other enemy country. At the same time, we are not that desperate to learn from a failed state. So before bringing the practice of Pakistan to India check yourself with some professional.

Indians are dealing with Indian problems, So thank you.

 

[renuka]

I find it absurd and laughable that you should quote the Manusmriti when we are discussing the present day medieval and regressive culture prevalent in Saudi Arabia. The fact that a Prince was publicly beheaded does not justify public beheadings which is treated as a public sport. On top of it, you are drawing a parallel of public beheadings with death by electric chair in the US where, according to you, the victim's family gloats over the death of the accused. A public beheading is a sport for the public in Saudi where its citizens clap and cheer. This kills all sensitivity in an individual. Probably you would be at home with it. I wouldn't. While you are at it why not draw parallels with the French guillotining their criminals publicly or Nazi Germany having a fancy to hang its political opponents on meat hooks!

The Manusmriti does not apply in India. The Code of Criminal Procedure does. One cannot commit murder and go scot-free by paying money to the victim's family. The fact that the victim's family may not accept blood money does not make it less worse.

To each his own! My wife is a brilliant academician and progressive individual but would find it repulsive to wear an "Abaya" while you would probably revel at it. Good luck to your spouse in Saudi. It is heartening to note that he is unlikely to lose his personal effects in Saudi. Probably the perpetrator's right hand, if not both, would be chopped off at the elbows. If you are happy with the thought, who are on earth am I to complain!

One sparrow does not a summer make. I, for one, would not want to be found dead in the kingdom of Saudi Arabia.

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Why get personal?
I was merely relating what I know and compared ancient laws.

Your wife has her personal preference of dressing.That's her personal right.
Choice of dressing differs for each person.
I wonder why you are comparing me with your wife in terms of dressing with an abhaya.
Personally I don't find any decent garment repulsive ,I am Medical Doc with a qualification in Sanskrit(teaching it too) and currently pursuing my diploma in the Arabic language...my academic qualifications didn't change me in anyway.

The human body itself is a garment that would be shed eventually..I guess thats why I dont really attach too much importance to any other type of garment.
Being progressive isn't defined by the clothes we wear. Shusma Swaraj used to be always dressed in a saree with a huge bindi and carried herself well and it didnt in anyway seem "less progressive"....many people expect a brilliant woman to be dressed in power suits westernized style.
If a woman in a saree could command respect from the whole world why cant a woman in a hijab and abhaya to be a brilliant professional and command respect from the whole world?
Being progressive is a state of mind...what garment does the mind wear?only thin veil from reality isnt it?

 

[Balacs]

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Why get personal?
I was merely relating what I know and compared ancient laws.

Your wife has her personal preference of dressing.That's her personal right.
Choice of dressing differs for each person.
I wonder why you are comparing me with your wife in terms of dressing with an abhaya.
Personally I don't find any decent garment repulsive ,I am Medical Doc with a qualification in Sanskrit(teaching it too) and currently pursuing my diploma in the Arabic language...my academic qualifications didn't change me in anyway.

The human body itself is a garment that would be shed eventually..I guess thats why I dont really attach too much importance to any other type of garment.
Being progressive isn't defined by the clothes we wear. Shusma Swaraj used to be always dressed in a saree with a huge bindi and carried herself well and it didnt in anyway seem "less progressive"....many people expect a brilliant woman to be dressed in power suits westernized style.
If a woman in a saree could command respect from the whole world why cant a woman in a hijab and abhaya to be a brilliant professional and command respect from the whole world?
Being progressive is a state of mind...what garment does the mind wear?only thin veil from reality isnt it?

I am astounded that a medical professional can even comment that "if you behave the rules won't apply". So one should "behave" or expect to be stoned to death, body parts chopped off or be beheaded in a public square with people clapping and cheering! Excellent, absolutely capital! You glorify this country, its law and order and expect people to stomach it just because your spouse is working in this "glorious kingdom".

From quoting Manusmriti, we take a gigantic leap and land straight on a tome of "Bhagwad Gita" where Lord Krishna states that "changing the human body is like changing clothes" with a bit of help, of course, from the Saudi Jallad.

I just stated that my wife, despite being a progressive woman, would find the very thought of wearing a Hijab and an Abaya repulsive. In this she is not alone. I speak excellent Hindi and Bengali like a native. I have criss-crossed the country several times and I can authoritatively state Hindu women across the country would find wearing the Hijab and the Abaya repulsive. I never stated that a woman who is comfortable in a Hijab and an Abaya cannot be progressive. You appear to have twisted my comment to suit your own interpretation.

I wasn't comparing you with my wife. A comparison cannot be made, in the first place, without being equally well aware of persons, facts and/or situations. I was merely making a comment. A majority of Hindu women would hate to wear the Hijab and the Abaya. In the case of the physiotherapist's wife, their group comprising exclusively of Hindu women were discussing of how best to dispose of those "damned things" once they returned to India.

The comment that you would probably revel in wearing it was made merely in jest. I wasn't getting personal. You got my goat when you glorified this medieval country with its regressive culture. If I happen to work in Nigeria, I cannot glorify that country just because I am provided armed escorts which is the norm there. One cannot make a virtue of necessity.

Another fact you should be aware of is that a majority of rich Saudis are contained only in their own country fearing extreme punishment. Once they are outside the country, it would be difficult to find a more degraded, perverted and sadistic individual given to every wicked act or deed under the Sun. After the act is committed, the petro-dollars comes in useful to get out of sticky situations.

I take this opportunity to wish all members of your family a very happy and prosperous New Year. No hard feelings, please.

 

[renuka]

I am astounded that a medical professional can even comment that "if you behave the rules won't apply". So one should "behave" or expect to be stoned to death, body parts chopped off or be beheaded in a public square with people clapping and cheering! Excellent, absolutely capital! You glorify this country, its law and order and expect people to stomach it just because your spouse is working in this "glorious kingdom".

From quoting Manusmriti, we take a gigantic leap and land straight on a tome of "Bhagwad Gita" where Lord Krishna states that "changing the human body is like changing clothes" with a bit of help, of course, from the Saudi Jallad.

I just stated that my wife, despite being a progressive woman, would find the very thought of wearing a Hijab and an Abaya repulsive. In this she is not alone. I speak excellent Hindi and Bengali like a native. I have criss-crossed the country several times and I can authoritatively state Hindu women across the country would find wearing the Hijab and the Abaya repulsive. I never stated that a woman who is comfortable in a Hijab and an Abaya cannot be progressive. You appear to have twisted my comment to suit your own interpretation.

I wasn't comparing you with my wife. A comparison cannot be made, in the first place, without being equally well aware of persons, facts and/or situations. I was merely making a comment. A majority of Hindu women would hate to wear the Hijab and the Abaya. In the case of the physiotherapist's wife, their group comprising exclusively of Hindu women were discussing of how best to dispose of those "damned things" once they returned to India.

The comment that you would probably revel in wearing it was made merely in jest. I wasn't getting personal. You got my goat when you glorified this medieval country with its regressive culture. If I happen to work in Nigeria, I cannot glorify that country just because I am provided armed escorts which is the norm there. One cannot make a virtue of necessity.

Another fact you should be aware of is that a majority of rich Saudis are contained only in their own country fearing extreme punishment. Once they are outside the country, it would be difficult to find a more degraded, perverted and sadistic individual given to every wicked act or deed under the Sun. After the act is committed, the petro-dollars comes in useful to get out of sticky situations.

I take this opportunity to wish all members of your family a very happy and prosperous New Year. No hard feelings, please.

Happy New Year to you and your family too.

We all have to behave no matter we are.
Like in India right now with all the protest..tell me..isnt the public behaving? Nope!
They actually dare fight and beat up police men too and not willing to listen to their PM.
So its very natural for humans to misbehave and some strict laws should be there for crime prevention.

The recent case of the rape of Dr Priyanka..and the 4 rapist cum murderers got shot dead...I was glad justice was served though I do not rejoice the death of anyone be it saint or sinner.
I am sure a lot of people were happy with that decision of the police.
Some would have cheered for all I know.


So you see we only want others to "behave" but expect ourselves not to abide.

In a hot dry weather..the hijab in the Middle east protect's one from the sun and the hijab is only to be worn outside and not indoors at home or even work place.

Some might call anything a "damn garment" if they do not identify with it.

Just like how some view the sacred thread as not in line with their thinking and harm people wearing it.
See what I mean? If we have hatred for something and attached the "damn" adjective to it, it can translate as violence if not checked.

A hijab/abhaya is just made of cloth.
If one doesnt like it just dont wear it..its that simple.

Manu smirti is man written.
Geeta is from Lord Krishna(word of God)....its a lot of difference.

I am not glorifying KSA....it isnt as bad as the media paints it...thats the picture I get from my very reliable source.

 

[Balacs]

Happy New Year to you and your family too.

We all have to behave no matter we are.
Like in India right now with all the protest..tell me..isnt the public behaving? Nope!
They actually dare fight and beat up police men too and not willing to listen to their PM.
So its very natural for humans to misbehave and some strict laws should be there for crime prevention.

The recent case of the rape of Dr Priyanka..and the 4 rapist cum murderers got shot dead...I was glad justice was served though I do not rejoice the death of anyone be it saint or sinner.
I am sure a lot of people were happy with that decision of the police.
Some would have cheered for all I know.


So you see we only want others to "behave" but expect ourselves not to abide.

In a hot dry weather..the hijab in the Middle east protect's one from the sun and the hijab is only to be worn outside and not indoors at home or even work place.

Some might call anything a "damn garment" if they do not identify with it.

Just like how some view the sacred thread as not in line with their thinking and harm people wearing it.
See what I mean? If we have hatred for something and attached the "damn" adjective to it, it can translate as violence if not checked.

A hijab/abhaya is just made of cloth.
If one doesnt like it just dont wear it..its that simple.

Manu smirti is man written.
Geeta is from Lord Krishna(word of God)....its a lot of difference.

I am not glorifying KSA....it isnt as bad as the media paints it...thats the picture I get from my very reliable source.

I quite understand the need to "behave" and comply with the laws of the land, but non-compliance
should not entail "surgery". Apart from being a qualified professional, I also happen to be a law graduate. Punishment should be commensurate with the crime. Chopping of the hand for robbery is excessive. If this is the "strict law" you are talking about, I have nothing to say.

What the police did in Hyderabad should be condemned by any right-thinking public. This is what happened in the case of the French Revolution. However, what started as "instant justice" later got labelled as tyranny and the guillotines were working for 8 to 10 hours every day to chop off heads of anyone who was even falsely branded as a criminal. This was also used by the "powers that be" to get rid of their opponents. For the existence of a civilised society, it is absolutely essential that even the most dreaded criminals have the opportunity to defend themselves. Under the laws of our land, everyone is innocent unless proved guilty. If the police have unbridled powers, society as we come to know it will cease to exist. "Let a hundred guilty be acquited, but one innocent should not be convicted" - this statement is the guiding principle behind rules of procedure and evidence guiding our courts. You are, of course, not expected to be aware of it. Here the police acted as the judge, jury and the executioner. Of course, the jury concept is no longer prevalent in India. We have only the word of the police that the four accused were guilty. What even if one of them was innocent???

Having been in Kolkata (Calcutta) for nearly 5 decades, I am well aware of the fact that the hijab is not worn inside the house. The "damned things" was just an expression of personal revulsion by a group of Hindu women and they are entitled to it. This has nothing to do with hatred or violence. People go to places like Saudi to earn a lot of money and put up with a lot of inconveniences. Hence, you cannot say that who asked them to go to Saudi in the first place if they don't like wearing the hijab and the abaya.

"Not wear the hijab and the abaya if you don't like it"! Are you sure you got it right? A woman whose religion is not Islam is compelled to wear it in Saudi when outdoors. Please get your facts right!

I attended the Chinmaya Bala Vihar for years to learn the Bhagwad Gita. I am aware that the Bhagwad Gita was narrated by Lord Krishna to Arjuna. Even those who have never learnt the Bhagwad Gita are aware of it.

 

[renuka]

I quite understand the need to "behave" and comply with the laws of the land, but non-compliance
should not entail "surgery". Apart from being a qualified professional, I also happen to be a law graduate. Punishment should be commensurate with the crime. Chopping of the hand for robbery is excessive. If this is the "strict law" you are talking about, I have nothing to say.

What the police did in Hyderabad should be condemned by any right-thinking public. This is what happened in the case of the French Revolution. However, what started as "instant justice" later got labelled as tyranny and the guillotines were working for 8 to 10 hours every day to chop off heads of anyone who was even falsely branded as a criminal. This was also used by the "powers that be" to get rid of their opponents. For the existence of a civilised society, it is absolutely essential that even the most dreaded criminals have the opportunity to defend themselves. Under the laws of our land, everyone is innocent unless proved guilty. If the police have unbridled powers, society as we come to know it will cease to exist. "Let a hundred guilty be acquited, but one innocent should not be convicted" - this statement is the guiding principle behind rules of procedure and evidence guiding our courts. You are, of course, not expected to be aware of it. Here the police acted as the judge, jury and the executioner. Of course, the jury concept is no longer prevalent in India. We have only the word of the police that the four accused were guilty. What even if one of them was innocent???

Having been in Kolkata (Calcutta) for nearly 5 decades, I am well aware of the fact that the hijab is not worn inside the house. The "damned things" was just an expression of personal revulsion by a group of Hindu women and they are entitled to it. This has nothing to do with hatred or violence. People go to places like Saudi to earn a lot of money and put up with a lot of inconveniences. Hence, you cannot say that who asked them to go to Saudi in the first place if they don't like wearing the hijab and the abaya.

"Not wear the hijab and the abaya if you don't like it"! Are you sure you got it right? A woman whose religion is not Islam is compelled to wear it in Saudi when outdoors. Please get your facts right!

I attended the Chinmaya Bala Vihar for years to learn the Bhagwad Gita. I am aware that the Bhagwad Gita was narrated by Lord Krishna to Arjuna. Even those who have never learnt the Bhagwad Gita are aware of it.

What i meant is this..
In Saudi everyone regardless of religion has to wear a hijab/abhaya if outdoors.
If one doesnt want to wear a hijab one can go back to their country of origin and not complain about the garment using strong adjectives but surprisingly not using the word" damn money" earned in middle east...did any of the women you know say "cant wait to get rid of the damn money"?

No one forced anyone to work there...its not a slave trade.
All want to earn riyals yet condemn the culture and country.


Seems strange to me...a tad ungrateful it seems.
When I was in India I never broke any rules even a rule that didnt allow non brahmins to sit in the same dining room as brahmins in a temple.
I didnt get all emotional and go" wallahi! This is haraam!"

No big deal for me..i just abide rules..it was an orthodox temple where the patron Supreme Lord decided to break all tradition and turn the His own idol to face His downtrodden Bhakta back in those times...so you see I am simply very law abiding.

You should be happy that people like me exists since you are a lawyer.

Btw you use all sorts of adjectives and comparative words yet you try to escape on technical grounds and then say I take things out of context! Lol

True..about the Geeta..one doesnt need Chinmaya to know about Lord Krishna and Arjuna.

 

[Balacs]

What i meant is this..
In Saudi everyone regardless of religion has to wear a hijab/abhaya if outdoors.
If one doesnt want to wear a hijab one can go back to their country of origin and not complain about the garment using strong adjectives but surprisingly not using the word" damn money" earned in middle east...did any of the women you know say "cant wait to get rid of the damn money"?

No one forced anyone to work there...its not a slave trade.
All want to earn riyals yet condemn the culture and country.


Seems strange to me...a tad ungrateful it seems.
When I was in India I never broke any rules even a rule that didnt allow non brahmins to sit in the same dining room as brahmins in a temple.
I didnt get all emotional and go" wallahi! This is haraam!"

No big deal for me..i just abide rules..it was an orthodox temple where the patron Supreme Lord decided to break all tradition and turn the His own idol to face His downtrodden Bhakta back in those times...so you see I am simply very law abiding.

You should be happy that people like me exists since you are a lawyer.

Btw you use all sorts of adjectives and comparative words yet you try to escape on technical grounds and then say I take things out of context! Lol

True..about the Geeta..one doesnt need Chinmaya to know about Lord Krishna and Arjuna.

When people do not have anything substantive to say, they use LOL or LMAO. I find that you are adept at avoiding replies to what I have stated and going off at a tangent. Those who are incapable of earning money in their own land or in civilized countries rush off to places like Saudi Arabia. That doesn't mean they have to like wearing the hizab and the abaya.

What i meant is this..
In Saudi everyone regardless of religion has to wear a hijab/abhaya if outdoors.
If one doesnt want to wear a hijab one can go back to their country of origin and not complain about the garment using strong adjectives but surprisingly not using the word" damn money" earned in middle east...did any of the women you know say "cant wait to get rid of the damn money"?

No one forced anyone to work there...its not a slave trade.
All want to earn riyals yet condemn the culture and country.


Seems strange to me...a tad ungrateful it seems.
When I was in India I never broke any rules even a rule that didnt allow non brahmins to sit in the same dining room as brahmins in a temple.
I didnt get all emotional and go" wallahi! This is haraam!"

No big deal for me..i just abide rules..it was an orthodox temple where the patron Supreme Lord decided to break all tradition and turn the His own idol to face His downtrodden Bhakta back in those times...so you see I am simply very law abiding.

You should be happy that people like me exists since you are a lawyer.

Btw you use all sorts of adjectives and comparative words yet you try to escape on technical grounds and then say I take things out of context! Lol

True..about the Geeta..one doesnt need Chinmaya to know about Lord Krishna and Arjuna.

Your original statement was "that one does not have to wear the hijab and the abaya if they don't like it".
Now you repeat what I have stated that people of all religion needs to wear it in Saudi. I do not understand why you keep repeating either what I have stated or what is well known and obvious.

Only those who are incapable of earning enough money in their own country or other civilized democracies would rush headlong into a medieval country like Saudi Arabia. That does not mean they have to like it or enjoy wearing the hizab and the abaya. I find that you are adept at avoiding proper responses and go off at a tangent to cover your shortcomings.

Just because of someone desperate to earn money going to Saudi Arabia doesn't mean that they have to accept whatever is going on! You appear to carry a chip on your shoulder about the fact of your being an NB.

Unlike you, I am trained to give point by point responses and so your allegation of escape on "technical grounds" is absolute balderdash. LOL and LMAO are used by people who are at a loss for words.

By the way, could you name at least 4 or 5 temples where Brahmins and non-Brahmins are made to sit separately in the dining hall? In the past 10 days, I visited at least 20 or more temples in Kerala and Karnataka. I found not one temple which has the rule. Are you sure it is not a figment of your imagination?
Are you by any chance referring to an archaic rule existing a century back???

I said that I am a law graduate and you immediately presume that I am a lawyer. Just because you have described yourself as a doctor, am I presuming that you are a heart surgeon???

Anyway, enough of this! In parting, I shall leave with the celebrated words of Mark Twain, "Never argue with an ________. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

 

[renuka]

When people do not have anything substantive to say, they use LOL or LMAO. I find that you are adept at avoiding replies to what I have stated and going off at a tangent. Those who are incapable of earning money in their own land or in civilized countries rush off to places like Saudi Arabia. That doesn't mean they have to like wearing the hizab and the abaya.

Your original statement was "that one does not have to wear the hijab and the abaya if they don't like it".
Now you repeat what I have stated that people of all religion needs to wear it in Saudi. I do not understand why you keep repeating either what I have stated or what is well known and obvious.

Only those who are incapable of earning enough money in their own country or other civilized democracies would rush headlong into a medieval country like Saudi Arabia. That does not mean they have to like it or enjoy wearing the hizab and the abaya. I find that you are adept at avoiding proper responses and go off at a tangent to cover your shortcomings.

Just because of someone desperate to earn money going to Saudi Arabia doesn't mean that they have to accept whatever is going on! You appear to carry a chip on your shoulder about the fact of your being an NB.

Unlike you, I am trained to give point by point responses and so your allegation of escape on "technical grounds" is absolute balderdash. LOL and LMAO are used by people who are at a loss for words.

By the way, could you name at least 4 or 5 temples where Brahmins and non-Brahmins are made to sit separately in the dining hall? In the past 10 days, I visited at least 20 or more temples in Kerala and Karnataka. I found not one temple which has the rule. Are you sure it is not a figment of your imagination?
Are you by any chance referring to an archaic rule existing a century back???

I said that I am a law graduate and you immediately presume that I am a lawyer. Just because you have described yourself as a doctor, am I presuming that you are a heart surgeon???

Anyway, enough of this! In parting, I shall leave with the celebrated words of Mark Twain, "Never argue with an ________. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.

You are right..I shouldnt drag myself down to low levels interacting with those who arent like me.


There is no chip i am carrying.
Allah Malik..rest are His servants.
The temple i was talking about is in Udupi..that was in 1990.
Up to you to believe it or not.
Rules could have changed now.

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

And we can see ourselves, Hindus dominate in all spheres of our lives. So what are we crooning about how here ?

True Hinduism is Satya meva jayate - truth alone trumps. Let's be salves / Bakths of truth and truth alone !!!(#2)

Crooning about Salatullhah Salamullah!

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Renuka(#64)

There is no chip i am carrying.
Allah Malik..rest are His servants.
The temple i was talking about is in Udupi..that was in 1990.
Up to you to believe it or not.
Rules could have changed now.(#64)

I don't know Arabic I think Sallatullaha Salamullaha is about glory of Allah Mallika Renu can you translate this song for me to understand this song fully

 

[renuka]

Renuka(#64)

There is no chip i am carrying.
Allah Malik..rest are His servants.
The temple i was talking about is in Udupi..that was in 1990.
Up to you to believe it or not.
Rules could have changed now.(#64)

I don't know Arabic I think Sallatullaha Salamullaha is about glory of Allah Mallika Renu can you translate this song for me to understand this song fully

Ya Habibati Sayeeda Janaki Jambunathan..

Its available online.

Here it is..

Salatul Badriyah

صَلَاةُ الله سَلَامُ الله عَلَى طَهَ رَسُولِ الله صَلَاةُ الله سَلَامُ الله عَلَى يَس حَبِيبِ الله CHORUS: SalaatuLlaah salaamuLlaah ‘alaa Taha rasooliLlaah SalaatuLlaah salaamuLlaah &#8216…

desertechoblog.wordpress.com

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Ya Habibati Sayeeda Janaki Jambunathan..

Its available online.

Here it is..

Salatul Badriyah

صَلَاةُ الله سَلَامُ الله عَلَى طَهَ رَسُولِ الله صَلَاةُ الله سَلَامُ الله عَلَى يَس حَبِيبِ الله CHORUS: SalaatuLlaah salaamuLlaah ‘alaa Taha rasooliLlaah SalaatuLlaah salaamuLlaah &#8216…

desertechoblog.wordpress.com

shukraan lakum Renuka

 

[renuka]

shukraan lakum Renuka

Dear JJ ji,

Take a look at this...sung by an Arab Muslim singer for Christmas and it didnt go well with the fanatics !

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Take a look at this...sung by an Arab Muslim singer for Christmas and it didnt go well with the fanatics ! (#69)

Carol singing is Haram I am sure ! Aurangzeb banned music - It is history.