Kalki Bhagavan !

[GopalaswamyShridharan]

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There is a small difference.Aham Brhmaasmi denotes that Brahmam is a common thread in everybody.Nobody can claim exclusivity to it.The so called modern Gurus ,I am not referring to any individual proclaim that only they are the avatars etc.In Shatpadi stotram,Adisankara has simply explained the concept that many waves and tides constitute the Ocean,but Ocean is not a tide or a wave.Similarly He extols Bhagawan that He belongs to Bhagawan and and not otherwise,because Bhagawan is infinite and cannot be restricted to any individual.

Coming to Avatars,if we go according to scripures there cannot be any avatars now of Mahavishnu,some Upasakas may be having abundant grace of God,but cannot be extolled as Avatars

Sir,avatar means a divine ascent or descent either from the pata-loka or from the 27 nakshatra constellations or it could be from navagrahams actually 7 grahams or different galaxy or solar system or...vaikundam or kailasham...heaven...etc

We all are divine and we all have the same potential of becoming swayam bhagavan.Only few people realise this or work towards acheiving moksha arthartham,based on their gunam,varnam ,jadhi,sankalpam,smaranam...Some are born with avatric abilities with no effort on their part owing to purva janma vasanams and some keep doing sadhanams to acheive liberation from birth and death of this material body and samskaram.

Bhagavan is all pervading and limitless and infinite.But in order for humans to believe and understand,bhagavan takes avataram swaroopam,to show us the path towards liberation.When we surrender ourselves to bhagavan as sranagathi,the praptham of moksham,is given to us by bhagavan,within whom the entire jagath is contained.

Aham brahmasmi,as taught by gurus to me,'we are not deham but punya-atmam' to attain punya-padukam of bhagavan or param-brahmam,sir.

THank you.

gopal.

 

[suvarchas]

Sir,avatar means a divine ascent or descent either from the pata-loka or from the 27 nakshatra constellations or it could be from navagrahams actually 7 grahams or different galaxy or solar system or...vaikundam or kailasham...heaven...etc

We all are divine and we all have the same potential of becoming swayam bhagavan.Only few people realise this or work towards acheiving moksha arthartham,based on their gunam,varnam ,jadhi,sankalpam,smaranam...Some are born with avatric abilities with no effort on their part owing to purva janma vasanams and some keep doing sadhanams to acheive liberation from birth and death of this material body and samskaram.

Bhagavan is all pervading and limitless and infinite.But in order for humans to believe and understand,bhagavan takes avataram swaroopam,to show us the path towards liberation.When we surrender ourselves to bhagavan as sranagathi,the praptham of moksham,is given to us by bhagavan,within whom the entire jagath is contained.

Aham brahmasmi,as taught by gurus to me,'we are not deham but punya-atmam' to attain punya-padukam of bhagavan or param-brahmam,sir.

THank you.

gopal.

Avataranam literally means descending.However any one to be an avatara has to satisfy certain criteria to qualify to be called Avatara.We are fascinated by certain individuals because of the grace we had thro them.That I said is possible for any uttama upasakas to have some divine grace because of their upasana.But that will not make them avatara.The concept itself is learnt from scriptures.The Scriptures also define avatara which is the guidance for us.They should have unlimited powers as displayed by Bhagawan Krishna and not just sheer siddhis with upasana like producing Vibhuthi and other items
Let me share some info on some recent lady upasaka in Chennai.Her followers even claim she is the manifestation of Akhilandeshvari and proclaim even the great Mahaperiyava prostrated before her which I felt was far fetched because I have heard Mahaperiyava mention his janmam was so worthless that he was made to be unfit even to prostrate before anyone due to so many reasons which he felt he was not blessed to be recipient of anyone's grace.I therefore felt the claim was sheer nonsense.Hence Iam always sceptical about these so called avataras

 

[RVR]

Spritual frauds are most common today. Believing in God is ok, but when it comes to believing Godmen, one has to be extremely careful. When it comes to God, blind faith ok but when it comes to Godmen, one has to apply rationalistic mind.

If a Godmen can bring a `Mango' out of thin air, let him go and open a `Mango shop' & prosper. Why they cheat innocent public?

The so called `Kalki Baghavan' is literally sitting in a glass enclosure. We have read about past avatars of Lord Mahavishnu. He takes Narasimha Avatar to fullfil the request of a Child devotee Prahlad. Late Mukkur Lakshminarasimhachariar use to tell in his discourses that if we have complete faith in Lord Mahavishnu like Prahlad and call him, he will make an avatar instantaneously right infront of us. He use to say our faith is not total like Prahlad.

Why Lord Mahavishnu has to go inside a glass enclosure ?. In all the avatars, he showes his bravery. He also makes avatars in various forms and not restricts himself only to human form.

I earnestly feel that those who believe in the so called `Kalki Baghavan' are degrading Lord Mahavishnu

எண்ணாயிரம் ஆண்டு யோகம் இருப்பினும் கண்ணார் அமுதனை கண்டறிவாரில்லை உள் நாடி ஒளி பெற உள்ளே நோக்கினார் கண்ணாடி போல கலந்து நின்றானே

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[GopalaswamyShridharan]

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Shree suvarchas,

Avataranam literally means descending.However any one to be an avatara has to satisfy certain criteria to qualify to be called Avatara.We are fascinated by certain individuals because of the grace we had thro them.That I said is possible for any uttama upasakas to have some divine grace because of their upasana.But that will not make them avatara.The concept itself is learnt from scriptures.The Scriptures also define avatara which is the guidance for us.They should have unlimited powers as displayed by Bhagawan Krishna and not just sheer siddhis with upasana like producing Vibhuthi and other items.

Descending as used with a point of reference,in the geographical sense.We assume bhu-lokam as a reference point comparing it with other galaxies or solar systems.

Lord Krishna was not accepted by all.By his own uncle Kamsan,who wished to kill him.How do i know this?Was i alive to witness this?But,its faith.Is it possible to question ones faith?

The siddhis are done to ensnare a person,to show the margam towards bhakthi.Thats the motive.Its to liberate or obtain moksham.Not for self-promotion,as i know of the siddhars and other avatarams in worldover.

Let me share some info on some recent lady upasaka in Chennai.Her followers even claim she is the manifestation of Akhilandeshvari and proclaim even the great Mahaperiyava prostrated before her which I felt was far fetched because I have heard Mahaperiyava mention his janmam was so worthless that he was made to be unfit even to prostrate before anyone due to so many reasons which he felt he was not blessed to be recipient of anyone's grace.I therefore felt the claim was sheer nonsense.Hence Iam always sceptical about these so called avataras

Sir,Parama Guru Paramacharyar or Maha Periyavar,sets standards.Has he been accepted by one and all?It's our faith,which makes us quote him ever often,but i honestly write,i am a bad example of calling myself as ,sishya of the 'the enlightened one',i know it,as i realise it now.But his divinity is such,he blessed even a worthless person like me,who has not contributed like Newton or Einstein or Copernicus, or Aryabhattar...etc

For all i know,the devi has incarnated in chennai,and i do not have the praptham to understand the divinity of the lady.In my experiance,i have come to accept,all of us are divine inherently,and at times we lose our balance,do some idiotic karma.Thank you.

gopal.

 

[suvarchas]

You are right that Mahaperiyava might not be accepted by everybody.But his greatness did not need any certification.Had he ever proclaimed that so and so came for seeking my blessings or Iam the avatar of Siva/Rama or Krishna?He just went about doing his work.

For all that we know he would even dissuade anybody extolling him as an Avatar.To my knowledge he would only deprecate himself on many occasions.

He used to say that the quality of Shishyas would determine the worthiness of Guru.He would then say that in those days of yore only great enlightened souls were the sishyas to the Gurupeetam Hence vivat simhams like Adisankara/Vidyaranya were adorning the peethas.He would then say in accordance with current times a mere ignoramus like him had come to adorn the Peetha.Thats what set him apart from everybody

 

[GopalaswamyShridharan]

ஸ்ரீ சுவர்சாஸ் ,மஹா பெரியவாள் நாம் எல்லோரும் நடமடுன் தெய்வம் என்று டான் என்னுகிரோமே .அவரை ஒரு குரு என்று எங்க சொல்லறோமே சொல்லுங்கோ .இது நம்ப்லோடய்ய நம்பிக்க என்று நான் சொல்கிரைன்.அது போல என்னோர்த்துர்க்கு கல்கி பகவன் தெய்வம் என்று நம்பிகை என்று னும்போ நினியாச்சுக்கனூம்.நன்றி.

Shree Suvarchas,

For us,Maha Periavaal is deivam.Similiarly for some others Kalki Bhagavan is deivam for them.Its a matter of each ones faith.I certainly will not questions anybodies faith sir.Thank you.

gopal.

 

[RVR]

Paramacharyar never claimed that he is நடமாடும் தெய்வம்'. On the contrary the so called `Kalki Baghavan' claims that he is an avatar of God. There is a big difference between the two.

Lord Mahavishnu could not be caged in any enclosure where as the so called `kalki baghavan' is caged in a Glass Enclosure. Lord Krishna, right at the time of birth itself got out of Prison. Narasimha Avatar happened instantaneously by splitting a stone pillar. Those who claim as the so called `Kalki Baghavan' are insulting Lord Mahavishnu.

எண்ணாயிரம் ஆண்டு யோகம் இருப்பினும் கண்ணார் அமுதனை கண்டறிவாரில்லை உள் நாடி ஒளி பெற உள்ளே நோக்கினார் கண்ணாடி போல கலந்து நின்றானே

 

[KRS]

I agree with Sri Vankataramani Ji. While some view Maha Periaval as 'deivam', I think the concept of an avatar is altogether different. Maha Periaval who understodd who He was always discouraged others to view him as 'Deivam'. That nomenclature should be understood in terms of 'Matha, Pithha, Guru Deivam' (mother, father and guru are 'Deivams').

There should be a law passed to bring in a criminal charge against anyone claiming to be an avatar and enriching themselves in the process on the gullibility of some in the public. Because, this affects the society.

Regards,
KRS

 

[GopalaswamyShridharan]

ஸ்ரீ ஆர்வீ,கயாரஎச்ஸ் ,

கல்கி பகவன் என்னக்கு த்ரிண்ட வரையில் ஒரு தப்பும் செய்யவில்லைய.அவதாரம் சொல்லிட்ட அவதரம் ஆகா முடியுமா? மனுஷ அவா கிட்ட போற நா அப்போ அவா கிட்ட எஅதோ பகவன் ஷக்தி இருக்கு நான் நினைகிரைன்.மஹா பெரியவாள் தான் என்ன தேய்வமா என்று எல்லாரையும் திட்டின .நம்போதன் மஹா பெரியவாள் தெய்வம் என்று பிரசாரம் பண்ணினது உட்கார்ந்து இருகோம்.நன்றி

Shree RV,KRS,

As far as i know Kalki Bhagavan & Amma have not conducted in a offensive way.Just because one says they are avataram ,can they become one-they prove it by actions.Otherwise how can so many people be flocking to them for bhakthi,gnayanam,shraddha...etc.MahaPeriavall scolded all of us for calling him god and in fact used to rubbish all of us as nonsense,when people asked him to change shastras.WE only made Mahaperiavaal as god and what not as avatar.Thank You!.

gopal.

 

[RVR]

Cheating innocent public is very easy in India particularly using a religious cord. Most of the Godman cheat innocent public. We are duty bound to expose these frauds.

The so called `Kalki Baghavan' is one of the biggest fraud

We don't require an intermediatery between God and us.

There should be a criminal law against those who use religion and God for their own benefit. Anybody claiming supernatural powers should subject themselves for scientific verification.

If there is no regulation, gullible public will be cheated for ever.

Sometime back I read a conversation between Ramakrishna Paramahamsa(RP) and Swamy Vivekananda (SV). RP asks SV whether he is interested in learning past reading and mind reading technique. SV asks back what is the benefit of learning such a technique. RP says nothing. SV immediately says he is not interested in learning the technique.

Some of the Godman acquire `past reading and mind reading technique'. When these people tell about the past accurately, we tend to believe him. However all the future predictions follow only probability theory. Vaitheeswaran Koil Naadi is the best example. They collect thousands of rupees from innocent public.

It is high time, such spiritual frauds are exposed.

எண்ணாயிரம் ஆண்டு யோகம் இருப்பினும் கண்ணார் அமுதனை கண்டறிவாரில்லை உள் நாடி ஒளி பெற உள்ளே நோக்கினார் கண்ணாடி போல கலந்து நின்றானே

 

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Master and disciple

toall: Isaac Ezekiel says in his book on Sant Paltu Sahib: as follows.,
Millions of people visit the Master and see him,they hear his discources and describe him according to their own respectiv e understanding. They call him a kindly gentlemen, or a philosopher, a well learned man, a wise moralist. But few among them see the Lord in him.Everyone praises him accordining to his degree of understanding. One who is not developed inwardly fails to recognize him. He reveals himself only to those who are spiritually inclined. Like this Bhagavan cannot uplift any soul from this world to the source untill he himself realize god with in. Just a person do magic show and once shoe is over people tell every thing is humpack. s.r.k.

 

[drsundaram]

kalki

One of my friend took me to Niyamam & Varadhapuram where Kalki Bhahavan blesses all.

Blindly I went. Were asked to pay an entrance fee of Rs.50.

Also, a personal discussion with Kalki Bhavan will cost Rs.5000.

Now, my curiosity is to know more about all DASA AVATHARS and who is true Kalki Bhahavan ? ( could not accept the exorbitant fees to get personal blessings, which is not possible for all. God can not be for only the affordable ! ).

Also, I came to know lot of young girls are inducted into the so called mission as disciples. This again is against nature.

Seeking the advise and guidance of ELDERS regarding this.

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I also know about this Bhagawan. Charging to have Darshan and all is common and we always pay heftly like in Tirupathi and other darshan places agaisnt payment. Hardly there no payment in well known temples, chagres are proportional to the need. why only spot kalki bhagawan. The point about kalki bhagawan is that I am also curious to know about his powers and Godhead nature because these days we hear numerous Bhagawan's coming up and they also have a set of devotess and their's are telecast and written media. Admitting young girls , I think it is done with their and paren'ts will as otherrwise many would ave to Police stns to complain. Dr Sundaram

 

[RVR]

I also know about this Bhagawan. Charging to have Darshan and all is common and we always pay heftly like in Tirupathi and other darshan places agaisnt payment. Hardly there no payment in well known temples, chagres are proportional to the need. why only spot kalki bhagawan. The point about kalki bhagawan is that I am also curious to know about his powers and Godhead nature because these days we hear numerous Bhagawan's coming up and they also have a set of devotess and their's are telecast and written media. Admitting young girls , I think it is done with their and paren'ts will as otherrwise many would ave to Police stns to complain. Dr Sundaram

This is another spiritual fraud. Please don't get cheated. Less you know about him, it is better

 

[ravikumar12345]

kalki avatar

hi

I read this one time and I would like others to know this
We as Sanatan Dharam mention that Rama was avatar of God Vishanu so why can it be like
" Rama has more characteristics of God within him that made him comparable to Lord itself. He meet all the qualities of Lords and thus we all see in him more of how God is suppose to be. "
In this way if we look we all have attama which takes it's form and then liens with the pramattama, when the deeds are done right.
This is also said in Vedas that one dharmatama can persist god and find his adobe.
Everyone has this capability all is we all have to harness this and understand why all this avatar?

 

[RVR]

hi

I read this one time and I would like others to know this
We as Sanatan Dharam mention that Rama was avatar of God Vishanu so why can it be like
" Rama has more characteristics of God within him that made him comparable to Lord itself. He meet all the qualities of Lords and thus we all see in him more of how God is suppose to be. "
In this way if we look we all have attama which takes it's form and then liens with the pramattama, when the deeds are done right.
This is also said in Vedas that one dharmatama can persist god and find his adobe.
Everyone has this capability all is we all have to harness this and understand why all this avatar?

Ok I also accept that every one of us can realise God. But those who are really enlightened are very very modest. They never commercialise their achievement.

The so called `Kalki Baghavan' we are discussing here is literally gone into a glass enclosure. Real Mahavishnu has come out breaking of a stone pillar for the sake of child devotee `Prahalada'.

If any body claims supernatural powers, I personally feel, we should verify the claim with a scientific mind.

 

[ravikumar12345]

Yes sir you are very very right. The relationship with Bhagawan should be of anandh, but not portube with money. All I mean is we all can see Bhagawan if our shardha and bhagati is worth.
If someone says that this Kalki avatar is true then why charge money to be one.
Love towards lord is far great then just money and cure comes after realization.

 

[kunjuppu]

.... The relationship with Bhagawan should be of anandh, but not portube with money. All I mean is we all can see Bhagawan if our shardha and bhagati is worth.
....

ravi,

i do not understand.

which language is portube, shardha and bhagati? what do these words mean?

please explain.

thanks.

 

[ravikumar12345]

Shardha means "S" see. "H" hear and "R" read Da Hindu Aspects.
Where you show your devotion. There is two kinds of Shardha. First what you do from within you'r heart. This is with total devotion where only thing is attach is you'r soul and the rest doesn't matter. Second is when you only show you'r devotion entangle with any gain. We all want something that is why we pray to God. This is another form of shardha.
Bhakati is what is done to show Lord that you'r doing it to serve him but not for any gain.
when you want to get some flower do you pick up bad flowers? I guess not, but we all will pick beautiful flowers and nice ones. But what happen to the bad ones ? Nature played on them and they become bad, so is this world of illusion that we all are bonded with.
Bhakati is like showing and knowing the one with full concept and with great interest as Hanuman Jee.

hope this will help and if someone can help me here please do so because Iam just learning from you all.
Thanks

 

[ambes]

Let us ignore this so called swamis and gurus who have set shop only to make money.the real Guru will not print tickets and ask for money. Only the offerings u r able to give will be recd. Ex. The great PARAMACHARYA OF KANCHI who treated everyone who came to have Dharshan of him as equals. how mighty and influential they may be. Instead u can go to any orphanages, old age homes etc with sweets, biscuits, clothes etc and give them with ur hands. The smiles in their faces when
they receive is the real BLESSING

 

[KRS]

Dear drsdm23 Ji,

In our Hindu tradition, Guru seeks you out, not the other way around. Any 'Guru' who is asking for money for his darshan is a fake - please do not waste your money, just to see his 'powers'. Take your family to a good magic show instead.

If you still want to spend that money, please hold on - I'll be in India next year, and I can be your Guru. I charge 10% less than what this guy charges and I can readily show you my power, by making your hard earned money disappear!

Regards,
KRS

 

[RVR]

Dear drsdm23 Ji,

In our Hindu tradition, Guru seeks you out, not the other way around. Any 'Guru' who is asking for money for his darshan is a fake - please do not waste your money, just to see his 'powers'. Take your family to a good magic show instead.

If you still want to spend that money, please hold on - I'll be in India next year, and I can be your Guru. I charge 10% less than what this guy charges and I can readily show you my power, by making your hard earned money disappear!

Regards,
KRS

Good Idea Sri KRS ji,

Let him not wait for one year. I am willing to act as your deputy from now onwards. I am willing to enter into a proper agreement with you on profit sharing.

All the best

 

[kunjuppu]

Shardha means "S" see. "H" hear and "R" read Da Hindu Aspects.
Where you show your devotion. There is two kinds of Shardha. First what you do from within you'r heart. This is with total devotion where only thing is attach is you'r soul and the rest doesn't matter. Second is when you only show you'r devotion entangle with any gain. We all want something that is why we pray to God. This is another form of shardha.
Bhakati is what is done to show Lord that you'r doing it to serve him but not for any gain.
when you want to get some flower do you pick up bad flowers? I guess not, but we all will pick beautiful flowers and nice ones. But what happen to the bad ones ? Nature played on them and they become bad, so is this world of illusion that we all are bonded with.
Bhakati is like showing and knowing the one with full concept and with great interest as Hanuman Jee.

hope this will help and if someone can help me here please do so because Iam just learning from you all.
Thanks

ravi,

i think your intellectual prowess is beyond the comprehensions of the majority of the members here.

we cater to the 80% .. those of the extreme needs and wants, we are unable to accommodate.

i think there are other forums where people of your calibre are welcome and do thrive.

thanks for giving us a chance and sorry to disappoint you.

 

[Siddhanta]

This is very simple to understand. The concept of Avatars of Vishnu is misunderstood. In Parasuram avatar, he fought and ended the tyranny of the Kshatriyas. In Rama Avatar, he fought and ended the Demon king Ravana and in Krishna Avatar he ended Narakasura and also ended the tyranny of the Gauravas. If we look closer, in every Avatar, there is a purpose. In the Kurukshetra war, he revealed his true identity to Arjuna. In the above avatars, especially Rama avatar, he himself takes the pain of living the life as a human being, living in forest, etc. He neither did any "preaching" or "teaching", nor he claimed to be God and asked for offerings.

The purpose of the Kalki avatar is to annihilate demonic entities of Kaeli Yuga and i am sure even if Lord Vishnu takes an avatar now, he will live the life as a normal human being until his purpose is fulfilled. He will not be interested in getting offerings.

This concept of "God" being a preacher is misunderstood due to the modern Gods and Religions and their "teachings" due to which people claim to be God.

 

[Brahmanyan]

As one who do not know anything about Kalki Bhagavan I have nothing to contribute to the discussion. But I wish to share an incident that happened some time back. While traveling to Delhi by train to attend a wedding, I found half of our A/c Sleeper Couch was occupied by Russians (mostly of them burly ladies). Later on some of them who spoke English told me that they were from Siberia and returning home after attending a Spiritual camp conducted by Kalki Bhagavan, near Chennai. That was a good news.This person has attracted people from far of Siberia.

As I have not attached myself to any Spiritual denomination or Guru I feel happy and grateful to respect any one who is doing some thing good to uplift the humanity, be he an Avatar or call himself by any other name. I found the "Oneness" movement of this spiritual leader has published almost all our Scriptures in the well documented Websites. Wonderful attempt indeed.

Regards,
Brahmanyan.

 

[RVR]

The purpose of the Kalki avatar is to annihilate demonic entities of Kaeli Yuga and i am sure even if Lord Vishnu takes an avatar now, he will live the life as a normal human being until his purpose is fulfilled. He will not be interested in getting offerings.

Thanks Siddantha. I fully accept your views.