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Keralites are the real Indians

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I am unable to reply Mr Vaagmi's statement due to some internal error.

My reply is as follows:
Normally people who are pro-left are used to speak high of Kerala. The bogus rationalist actor Kamal Hassan once did that.
Since your statement is vague, it doesn’t contain real substance.
While lakhs and lakhs of Keralites are living happily in Tamil Nadu with residential status, running tea stalls to industries, it is not known how many Tamilians are living in Kerala – at least 50%. Is there any Tamilian running an industrial house in Kerala like MRF?
If Tamil Nadu is like Syria, there won’t be lakhs of Keralites and Telugus living here. You will have to confirm Kerala is not Syria.
Regarding Carnatic Musicians, you have equated Mr Nellai Krishnamurthy with some of the very leading musicians who migrated from Palghat in their earlier years and became very popular because of their presence in TN – MDR, Palghat Mani Iyer, KVN, Chembai, TN Krishnan, MSG, tv Gopalakrishnan etc. I have not come across any leading Carnatic Musician from Tamil Nadu migrated to Kerala after attaining popularity – Maharajapuram, Umayalpuram, Semmangudi, Madurai,Thiruvalangadu, Ariyakudi etc. How far Nellai Krishnamurthy is popular in Kerala is not known.
Are Kerala Politicians corruption-free and and politics is non-remunerative? You may laugh at your own statement.
If Kerala Govt. declares holiday for a Tamil festival, it is good. You are not specific on this.
If Palghat Bs are not moving, and are actually thriving, why are Musicians and film personalities from Palghat are staying permanently in Tamil Nadu, let alone Chennai.
Please don’t give vague statement and try to be specific.

I would just say this:

Being pro-left is not a crime just as being pro-right is not. Period.

Go and take a census to know how many Tamils are living in Kerala. As you appear to be very worried about it, please do it and share the info here for our benefit. Only then your arguments will have substance. Till then it will be just irrational rant.

The rubber factories in TN depend on Kerala for their rawmaterial--natural rubber.

Semmangudi was working in Kerala as the Principal of the Swati Tirunal Music Academy in Tiruvanandapuram. Tamilnadu could not give him an employment and honour equivalent to that ever. Maharaja Swati Tirunal's "Bhavayami....." was set to music by Semmangudi when he was the principal in Trivandrum.

Comparatively Kerala politicians are corruption free when compared with our TN politicians. We have malai muzhungis here where as Kerala politicians get hick up eating just a Karimeen.

When did TN Govt. declare general public holiday for Onam in TN?

Go to Palghat say Kalpathi for example and see how many houses in the agraharam are closed. And visit a comparable agraharam in Tamilnadu and count the number of houses that are left to become dilapidated. It will be revealing to even you.

I do not intend to carry this conversation any further as I consider it dangerous to engage people who suffer from internal errors. LOL.
 
I would just say this:

Being pro-left is not a crime just as being pro-right is not. Period.

Semmangudi was working in Kerala as the Principal of the Swati Tirunal Music Academy in Tiruvanandapuram. Tamilnadu could not give him an employment and honour equivalent to that ever. Maharaja Swati Tirunal's "Bhavayami....." was set to music by Semmangudi when he was the principal in Trivandrum.

Comparatively Kerala politicians are corruption free when compared with our TN politicians. We have malai muzhungis here where as Kerala politicians get hick up eating just a Karimeen.

When did TN Govt. declare general public holiday for Onam in TN?

Go to Palghat say Kalpathi for example and see how many houses in the agraharam are closed. And visit a comparable agraharam in Tamilnadu and count the number of houses that are left to become dilapidated. It will be revealing to even you.

I do not intend to carry this conversation any further as I consider it dangerous to engage people who suffer from internal errors. LOL.

Semmangudi served in Kerala but returned to Tamil Nadu and got reputation and even received second highest civilian award - Padma Vibhushan. Why did he not continue to reside in Kerala and do his service as a musician?

Corruption, whether big or small , is a dangerous thing. But you have specific yard sticks for it. Hats off.

It is a local holiday in Nagercoil and Kanyakumari areas. Read newspapers.

One of my bosses was incidentally from Kalpathi. Per his statement, the B population is dwindling.

Since large number of Bs in TN moved to Cities and Towns for employment agraharams seized to exist. Vathimas are still in their villages and some agraharams in Tirunelveli District are in existence.

Don't be half baked.
 
After seeing many posts pro and against Keralites in TN and vice versa, I would like to add a few things here. If Keralites are successful in tamil nadu, it is just because they are so enterprising and their ability to adjust with any kind of situation. They are good learners and pick Tamil so easily. They are not popular in TN only, but are successfully spread all over India and abroad. Except for a few states in the North East tell me just one state where the strong presence of Malayalies are not there. Ayyappa temples and "Ayyappan chettans" tea stalls are very common in almost every state! In case you don't believe just take round of various states during Karthigai masam and see how many ayyappa bhajanas are going around. Frankly speaking, they are community people and they like and promote community living.

Now let us take the status of people of Tamil origin. Malayalam - ஆகாது, Kannadam - ஆகாது , Hindi =ஆகவே ஆகாது One has to be highly reasonable to make success outside his territory. Despite all that odds I would still say Tamils in Kerala are commanding good reputation. There are many constituencies in Kerala like Trivandrum, Idukki etc were the Tamil decides the winning position in elections. Entire tea estate employees of Munnar are Tamil origin and they recently made a co-operative under the banner Pombilai orumai consisting mainly of tamil ladies which successfully fought and gained handsome hikes in wages for its employees. AIADMK recently fougth elections for 7 assembly constituencies in Kerala. So it is not like that the Tamils are not able to make their presence felt in Kerala. The fact is they need to do much more in the field. Let me tell you one thing, come what may Kerala never fails to recognize strength and ability of a person who so ever it may be.
 
Semmangudi served in Kerala but returned to Tamil Nadu and got reputation and even received second highest civilian award - Padma Vibhushan. Why did he not continue to reside in Kerala and do his service as a musician?

Corruption, whether big or small , is a dangerous thing. But you have specific yard sticks for it. Hats off.

It is a local holiday in Nagercoil and Kanyakumari areas. Read newspapers.

One of my bosses was incidentally from Kalpathi. Per his statement, the B population is dwindling.

Since large number of Bs in TN moved to Cities and Towns for employment agraharams seized to exist. Vathimas are still in their villages and some agraharams in Tirunelveli District are in existence.

Don't be half baked.
hi

just sitting in mylapore and talking about palakkad.....meaningless.....Vaagmi sir stayed and visited many times in kerala....

just stiing in kapaleeswarar praakaram and talk about TRISSUR POORAM..KAANAAN POGUNNA POORAM KETTA ARIYANDA..

THIS IS MALAYALAM PROVERB....
 
hi

just sitting in mylapore and talking about palakkad.....meaningless.....Vaagmi sir stayed and visited many times in kerala....

just stiing in kapaleeswarar praakaram and talk about TRISSUR POORAM..KAANAAN POGUNNA POORAM KETTA ARIYANDA..

THIS IS MALAYALAM PROVERB....

I am no fan of Kerailits, but their talent is amazing. Take the most common field,cinema. Mallu actors/directors can come and make full tamil movies here - Fazil, Priyadarshan, Mamooty, Pritviraj,Jayaram etc. And they have made some of the most memorable movies of the 90s.

And no need to talk about Jesudas - the greatest ever clasiical musician .

Chennai was a de facto capital so there is nothing wrong in people coming and being successful here. Hence, Even though I ama conservative, I would cal it foolish to argue that we cannot go and rule Kerala or Andhra or Karanataka whereas they can rule us..

We dont lose anything by being magnanimous.

And untilwe continue to be divided by caste, the state of Tamils will remain pathetic for ever.

The place where I live now, every state/lingust group has a temple forthemselves - mallu , bengali, marathi, gujarai,nepali, iskcon, udupi etc..And all their board members speak thir language...

Tamil is th only temple that has Telugu, Kannada, Mallus on the board ( and no TB on the highest post) :D
 
I am no fan of Kerailits, but their talent is amazing. Take the most common field,cinema. Mallu actors/directors can come and make full tamil movies here - Fazil, Priyadarshan, Mamooty, Pritviraj,Jayaram etc. And they have made some of the most memorable movies of the 90s.

And no need to talk about Jesudas - the greatest ever clasiical musician .

Chennai was a de facto capital so there is nothing wrong in people coming and being successful here. Hence, Even though I ama conservative, I would cal it foolish to argue that we cannot go and rule Kerala or Andhra or Karanataka whereas they can rule us..

We dont lose anything by being magnanimous.

And untilwe continue to be divided by caste, the state of Tamils will remain pathetic for ever.

The place where I live now, every state/lingust group has a temple forthemselves - mallu , bengali, marathi, gujarai,nepali, iskcon, udupi etc..And all their board members speak thir language...

Tamil is th only temple that has Telugu, Kannada, Mallus on the board ( and no TB on the highest post) :D

I do not think that Tamils are languishing anywhere..In our temple in Gurgaon we have Tamils in the highest position...The temple is famous & Telugus & Kanadigas also visit as there are no separate temples for these communities...We have to be gregarious & extroverted and not live in cocoons
 
Originally Posted by indianassault
I am no fan of Kerailits, but their talent is amazing. Take the most common field,cinema. Mallu actors/directors can come and make full tamil movies here - Fazil, Priyadarshan, Mamooty, Pritviraj,Jayaram etc. And they have made some of the most memorable movies of the 90s.


Dear Sir,

Actor Jayaram is not a Malayali.

He is a TB.

Jayaram was born as youngest among three children to Subramaniyam Iyyer and Thankam at Perumbavoor, Kerala on 10 December 1965.[SUP][4][/SUP] His mother tongue is Tamil.[SUP][10][/SUP][SUP][11][/SUP][SUP][12][/SUP] His father is from a Kerala settled Tamil Iyyer family and his mother is from Thanjavur.
 
hi,
some retired person with clout says something and we are spending time and energy on that. attraction to be within the group is a trait of animal kingdom, so nothing wrong.
i was once treated royally by a group of shopkeepers on an Island of A&N for speaking a few words in Malayalam. Affinity to mother tongue is great
hatred to others is NOT.
regards
navy-eswaran
 
hi,
some retired person with clout says something and we are spending time and energy on that. attraction to be within the group is a trait of animal kingdom, so nothing wrong.
i was once treated royally by a group of shopkeepers on an Island of A&N for speaking a few words in Malayalam. Affinity to mother tongue is great
hatred to others is NOT.
regards
navy-eswaran
hi

when i was in port blair( A/N) islands....a lot of shop keepers are from kerala....many are keralite christians though...

especially in dilanipur area......calicut area too....but there is a tamil sangam...rarely ppl talk in tamil....

in bambooflat area ....vast number of malayalis...just my observation...
 
Dear Sir,

Actor Jayaram is not a Malayali.

He is a TB.

Jayaram was born as youngest among three children to Subramaniyam Iyyer and Thankam at Perumbavoor, Kerala on 10 December 1965.[SUP][4][/SUP] His mother tongue is Tamil.[SUP][10][/SUP][SUP][11][/SUP][SUP][12][/SUP] His father is from a Kerala settled Tamil Iyyer family and his mother is from Thanjavur.

Renukaji,

Jayaram is a malayali pattar alright. He has married a malayali girl. Just being born to a TB would not make a TB as his forefathers settled in Kerala centuries back.

My wife is a malayalee. Her parents settled in Kerala four generations back from Tamilnadu. She knew only English, Hindi, sanskrit and malayalam to read and write when we married. And she knew only to talk in Tamil. She has learnt Tamil (reading and writing) subsequent to our marriage. She is just a malayali pattaththippennu.
 
hi,
A&N was Kalapani meant for holding Freedom Fighters as prisoners during the Firang era. The population comprises of Punjabis,Bengalis,Malayalees and Tamils. The Tamils I met did speak our language.
regards
navy-eswar
 
Jeyaram, I believe, is from Kumbakonam. Per Wikipedia, he belongs to Vadama Sect.
 
hi

just sitting in mylapore and talking about palakkad.....meaningless.....Vaagmi sir stayed and visited many times in kerala....

just stiing in kapaleeswarar praakaram and talk about TRISSUR POORAM..KAANAAN POGUNNA POORAM KETTA ARIYANDA..

THIS IS MALAYALAM PROVERB....

Even sitting in Mylapore, on can know various things. If you don't know, contact me I will teach. Don't be impertinent. This is not a proverb.
 
I am no fan of Kerailits, but their talent is amazing. Take the most common field,cinema. Mallu actors/directors can come and make full tamil movies here - Fazil, Priyadarshan, Mamooty, Pritviraj,Jayaram etc. And they have made some of the most memorable movies of the 90s.

And no need to talk about Jesudas - the greatest ever clasiical musician .

Chennai was a de facto capital so there is nothing wrong in people coming and being successful here. Hence, Even though I ama conservative, I would cal it foolish to argue that we cannot go and rule Kerala or Andhra or Karanataka whereas they can rule us..
:D

In the very early 1950s, SS Vasan produced Chandralekha at a cost of more than 50 lakhs, which was a major hit. Vasan established the first colour lab in South.

In 1952, a film, which was termed controversial and banned by Congress Govt., introduced a hero who subsequently became one of the all time greats and another one became actor/politician - film Parasakthi - actors Sivaji Ganesan & SS Rajendran. The ban was lifted when DMK came to power.

When songs were plenty in 1950s, a film released in 1954 with Sivaji in the lead role and directed by the versatile Veenai Balachander had no songs. Andha Nal was the film.

In 1964, Thruvilayadal was a massive hit. The film was based on a mythological story.

Tamil film world produced some wonderful directors - AP Nagarajan, Krishnan and Panju, KS Gopalakrishnan, Bharathi Raja, Mahendran, K Balachander (to a certain extent) and the one and only Bhim Singh.

No other film industry in the world has so much of comedians - N S Krishnan, Kali N Rathnam, Pulimuttai Ramaswamy Iyer, Thangavelu, Chandrababu, Nagesh, Cho, Goundamani/Senthil, Vivek, Vadivelu etc.

Tamil film was not short of talents in 1950s and 1960s. It was actually the gateway for so many regional film industries.

Jesudas is probably one of the leading carnatic musicians but not the greatest. For Keralites, he may be the greatest.

Whether it is vocal (male & female), instrument playing and, of course, Vagyakaras, Tamil Nadu occupies a supreme position. Carnatic Music cannot survive without Tamilians support. Any musician other then Tamilian, cannot become popular without performing in Tamil Nadu, more particularly during Music Season.

Caste and communal politics play a major role throughout india and Kerala is no exception. Nair Service Society is in Kerala only.

Each and every district of Tamil Nadu has a popular Shiva Temple and famous temples dedicated to Vinayaga, Pillaiyar, Ambal and Perumal. But no temple has multiple stories as in the case of Sabarimala. What is the real story of Sabarimala?

Tamil is one of the root languages like Persian, Sanskrit, Mandarin, Hebrew. Those who don't know much about Tamil Nadu please go to a library and read about Tamil and Tamil Nadu.

The achievement of Dravidian Parties in the last 50 years is creation of division among various communities of Tamil Nadu, which pave the way for others to dominate here.

It is a curse.
 
Jeyaram, I believe, is from Kumbakonam. Per Wikipedia, he belongs to Vadama Sect.

I asked him once. He said if he were to be associated with any Ma, he would prefer to be called a Dosaima sect. His logic was that vadai ma makes small, fat ungainly vadais which can become "needle gone". But Dosai stays thin and beautiful well rounded and can be eaten as it wont be "needle gone" ever.

needle gone = ஊசிப்போச்சு.
 
I asked him once. He said if he were to be associated with any Ma, he would prefer to be called a Dosaima sect. His logic was that vadai ma makes small, fat ungainly vadais which can become "needle gone". But Dosai stays thin and beautiful well rounded and can be eaten as it wont be "needle gone" ever.

needle gone = ஊசிப்போச்சு.

Does it apply to Kalais? Before it becomes Vadai, the needle is gone.

Fortunately, he doesn't want to be associated with any Kalais.
 
In the very early 1950s, SS Vasan produced Chandralekha at a cost of more than 50 lakhs, which was a major hit. Vasan established the first colour lab in South.

In 1952, a film, which was termed controversial and banned by Congress Govt., introduced a hero who subsequently became one of the all time greats and another one became actor/politician - film Parasakthi - actors Sivaji Ganesan & SS Rajendran. The ban was lifted when DMK came to power.

When songs were plenty in 1950s, a film released in 1954 with Sivaji in the lead role and directed by the versatile Veenai Balachander had no songs. Andha Nal was the film.

In 1964, Thruvilayadal was a massive hit. The film was based on a mythological story.

Tamil film world produced some wonderful directors - AP Nagarajan, Krishnan and Panju, KS Gopalakrishnan, Bharathi Raja, Mahendran, K Balachander (to a certain extent) and the one and only Bhim Singh.

No other film industry in the world has so much of comedians - N S Krishnan, Kali N Rathnam, Pulimuttai Ramaswamy Iyer, Thangavelu, Chandrababu, Nagesh, Cho, Goundamani/Senthil, Vivek, Vadivelu etc.

Tamil film was not short of talents in 1950s and 1960s. It was actually the gateway for so many regional film industries.

Jesudas is probably one of the leading carnatic musicians but not the greatest. For Keralites, he may be the greatest.

Whether it is vocal (male & female), instrument playing and, of course, Vagyakaras, Tamil Nadu occupies a supreme position. Carnatic Music cannot survive without Tamilians support. Any musician other then Tamilian, cannot become popular without performing in Tamil Nadu, more particularly during Music Season.

Caste and communal politics play a major role throughout india and Kerala is no exception. Nair Service Society is in Kerala only.

Each and every district of Tamil Nadu has a popular Shiva Temple and famous temples dedicated to Vinayaga, Pillaiyar, Ambal and Perumal. But no temple has multiple stories as in the case of Sabarimala. What is the real story of Sabarimala?

Tamil is one of the root languages like Persian, Sanskrit, Mandarin, Hebrew. Those who don't know much about Tamil Nadu please go to a library and read about Tamil and Tamil Nadu.

The achievement of Dravidian Parties in the last 50 years is creation of division among various communities of Tamil Nadu, which pave the way for others to dominate here.

It is a curse.

Thanks for your inputs. I spoke with my kownledge and experience. The actors who who mentioned, none of them can speak any other language or act in another language, whereas the actors I mentioned came here, learned the language. While our magnanimity is wonderful, our "vetti gauravam" stops us from conquering the world..For everything we blame the Dravidian parties and carry on our business as usual. THis is what we are good at.

And I forgot to mention the legend MN Nambiar..
 
Renukaji,

Jayaram is a malayali pattar alright. He has married a malayali girl. Just being born to a TB would not make a TB as his forefathers settled in Kerala centuries back.

My wife is a malayalee. Her parents settled in Kerala four generations back from Tamilnadu. She knew only English, Hindi, sanskrit and malayalam to read and write when we married. And she knew only to talk in Tamil. She has learnt Tamil (reading and writing) subsequent to our marriage. She is just a malayali pattaththippennu.


Oh...I see..just like I am Msian citizen even though my DNA is Indian.. ...so any Pattar from Kerala is a Kerala citizen.

BTW what do you call a TB who is settled in Bengal for example?
 
I asked him once. He said if he were to be associated with any Ma, he would prefer to be called a Dosaima sect. His logic was that vadai ma makes small, fat ungainly vadais which can become "needle gone". But Dosai stays thin and beautiful well rounded and can be eaten as it wont be "needle gone" ever.

needle gone = ஊசிப்போச்சு.

Yeh Kya Yaar? Dastaan -E- Oosi Pona Set Vada-Dosa?
 
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Dear Vaagmi Ji,

I asked one of my Jaat friends ...if his ancestors had settled in TN would he consider himself a Tamilian?

Jaat replied..."even if my ancestors migrated to Mars we are still Jaats'!
 
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