Life in earth as a human being, is a blessing or banish?

[Visalakshi Ramani]

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Well said Ma'am,

Discussions should be "samvada" as done in Gita. It enriches knowledge, but when it turns to argument, it creates friction, that results in heat and fire. Then silence is certainly golden.

Regards,ray2:
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

dear Sir,
Namaste! ray2:
A good question makes a person think and he either
DISCOVERS the answer to the question posed or
DISCOVERS the fact that he already knows the answer.

So a healthy exchange of ideas and knowledge takes place.
When only hot words are exchanged, only anger and hatred get exchanged.

In Bhagavat Gita, it is Arjuna (equated to a calf)
who makes Krishna (equated to a cow) bring forth
more and more knowledge (equated to the milk of the cow).

If the calf does not drink milk the cow will stop producing it eventually.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

வாதம் வாதமாகவே இருக்க வேண்டும். :argue:

வாதம் வதமாக மாறக் கூடாது! :whip:

 

[Brahmanyan]

Passing thoughts of a free thinker:

Birth is a mystery. To be born as a human is still more mystery. Born to a particular set parents is an accident. I have no choice of selection in my birth. Who can tell whether it is a blessing ? Blessing for what? Unanswered questions again. The fact is I am born and I live.Having born let me use this opportunity to live a good human being, make it a blessing. Pain and pleasure are experiences in the cycle of life. Let me understand I cannot escape these.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[renuka]

Passing thoughts of a free thinker:

Birth is a mystery. To be born as a human is still more mystery. Born to a particular set parents is an accident. I have no choice of selection in my birth. Who can tell whether it is a blessing ? Blessing for what? Unanswered questions again. The fact is I am born and I live.Having born let me use this opportunity to live a good human being, make it a blessing. Pain and pleasure are experiences in the cycle of life. Let me understand I cannot escape these.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

Dear Sir,

Well said...

In fact your post reminds me of two sayings:


मरनं प्रकृतिः शरीरिणां विकृतिजितमुच्यते बुधै ।
क्षनमप्यवतिष्ठते श्व्सन् यदि जन्तुर्ननु लाभवानसौ

Death is certain for the embodied but life is not a certainty,
So if the life force is present for even a moment that should be considered the greatest gain.


And one more "saying" I am reminded of( from Padaiyappa Movie Kiccku Eruthe Song)



thaayai therndhekkum
thandhayai therndhekkum
urimai unnidhathil illai

mugaththai therndhekkum
niraththai therndhekkum
urimai unnidhathil illai

pirappai therndhekkum
irappai therndhekkum
urimai unnidhathil illai

eNNi paarkkum vELaiyil
un vaazhkai mattum
undhan kaiyil undu
adhai vendridu!

 

[sangom]

eNNi paarkkum vELaiyil
un vaazhkai mattum
undhan kaiyil undu
adhai vendridu!

According to me a lot of the problems today arise from the abovesaid (wrong) understanding or interpretation of vaazhkkai. No one can win his/her life (vendridu, I mean); what best can be done is buddhiyoDu vaazhnthiDyu, i.e., "live your life out intelligently".

 

[sadasivam.sridharan]

Life on earth,the birth of a body - the body of any living entity is a vehicle gifted by Almighty for the everlasting soul, the jeevatman for its journey towards His abode.Whether the soul goes in the right direction or not is dictated by the karma of the individual.

 

[Visalakshi Ramani]

While very young I have heard elders (mostly non Brahmins) say

KARUMAM in a very disapproving way to their wards.

I thought it was a scolding word until I learned from my guru

it was the karma which they had meant

by the strongly disapproving word karumam!

Often the karumam will be followed by thalai ezhuthu

as கருமண்டா தலை எளுத்து !!!:frusty:

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Life on earth,the birth of a body - the body of any living entity is a vehicle gifted by Almighty for the everlasting soul, the jeevatman for its journey towards His abode.Whether the soul goes in the right direction or not is dictated by the karma of the individual.

Sir,

Pranams,

IMHO, with the blessings/grace of the Almighty God, I believe we can very well clear/expunge/get rid of our karma and lead a life in the right direction by being good and doing good. Avvaiyar in her hymn Vinayagar Agaval has said:

கருத்தினிற் கபாலவாயினிற்காட்டி

இருத்திமுத்தி இனிதெனக்கருளி

என்னையறிவித்து எனக்கருள்செய்து

முன்னைவினையின் முதலைகளைந்து

With regards

 

[sadasivam.sridharan]

Sir,
As you rightly said,we can get rid of the wasteful cycle of birth and death and attain everlasting bliss by leading a life as per the dictates of our dharma sastras.In fact that should be the earnest endeavour of every human being.But unfortunately,most of us are unable to use the discrimination and go astray by the compulsions of vasanas.

 

[SANDHYAV]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1xwtA6C2DQ

initial few seconds/SOUNDS av are gd

 

[sangom]

Sir,

Pranams,

IMHO, with the blessings/grace of the Almighty God, I believe we can very well clear/expunge/get rid of our karma and lead a life in the right direction by being good and doing good. Avvaiyar in her hymn Vinayagar Agaval has said:

கருத்தினிற் கபாலவாயினிற்காட்டி

இருத்திமுத்தி இனிதெனக்கருளி

என்னையறிவித்து எனக்கருள்செய்து

முன்னைவினையின் முதலைகளைந்து

With regards

We cannot take Avvaiyar and ourselves. Personally, I feel Avvai is a legendary figure and many poems have been put out in her name, just as so many stotras and slokas have been put out in the name of Adi sankara.

When it comes to Karma, if we go by our scriptures, no power, not even the highest god could change the fate of Pareekshit. So, each one of us has to work in order to experience the results of our past karmas and at the same time not adding fresh karmas to the load. Merely praying to god and passing on the responsibility to god will not help even a bit to clear/expunge/get rid of our karma. This is where all religions play their part, mislead lakhs and crores of people and make a lot of profit in the business (of religion).

 

[kkumar29]

We cannot take Avvaiyar and ourselves. Personally, I feel Avvai is a legendary figure and many poems have been put out in her name, just as so many stotras and slokas have been put out in the name of Adi sankara.

When it comes to Karma, if we go by our scriptures, no power, not even the highest god could change the fate of Pareekshit. So, each one of us has to work in order to experience the results of our past karmas and at the same time not adding fresh karmas to the load. Merely praying to god and passing on the responsibility to god will not help even a bit to clear/expunge/get rid of our karma. This is where all religions play their part, mislead lakhs and crores of people and make a lot of profit in the business (of religion).

You hit the nail right on its head. The very origin of all man made religions:amen:

K. Kumar

 

[auh]

Sir,
As you rightly said,we can get rid of the wasteful cycle of birth and death and attain everlasting bliss by leading a life as per the dictates of our dharma sastras.In fact that should be the earnest endeavour of every human being.But unfortunately,most of us are unable to use the discrimination and go astray by the compulsions of vasanas.

Dont we love our near and dear, and the comforts of a material life? Why then, should we scorn our existence so?

Perhaps the concept of an everlasting bliss in the other world is only to prune ourselves in this. Or perhaps "God" manifests as individual entities, to indulge in an experience (maybe termed as leela?), and our existence is nothing but such an experience (and therefore, belittling such experience is in itself an experience).

 

[renuka]

I always had this doubt..some puranas state that those who have done good deeds attain higher heavens like Indra Loka that is still subject to rebirth no doubt.

But in Indra Loka one has multiple Apsaras,Wine,Aerial Cars etc and all sensual indulgence..so why is all the fuss made if a human does the same on earth..like having multiple partners, drinking alcohol and having one's own private jet and riches?

 

[auh]

Coz that is the rule there !

Come on, we do not do in India what we do in Malaysia, we do not do outside what we do inside closed doors, and so the things that you have mentioned are perhaps the norm there, but not here. Take it from a person who frequently visits such lokas... in my dreams, of course.

 

[sarang]

Perhaps you have not read the charama sloka in gita or you have not understood it.

You have not understood Andal's 'theeyinil thoosakum' thiruppavai.

Moksha is possible if God so wills it. Why should atheists worry about moksha. It is theists' problem. Others should worry about and concentrate on where they want to go.

Trivializing every issue does not lead one anywhere.

We cannot take Avvaiyar and ourselves. Personally, I feel Avvai is a legendary figure and many poems have been put out in her name, just as so many stotras and slokas have been put out in the name of Adi sankara.

When it comes to Karma, if we go by our scriptures, no power, not even the highest god could change the fate of Pareekshit. So, each one of us has to work in order to experience the results of our past karmas and at the same time not adding fresh karmas to the load. Merely praying to god and passing on the responsibility to god will not help even a bit to clear/expunge/get rid of our karma. This is where all religions play their part, mislead lakhs and crores of people and make a lot of profit in the business (of religion).

 

[renuka]

When it comes to Karma, if we go by our scriptures, no power, not even the highest god could change the fate of Pareekshit. So, each one of us has to work in order to experience the results of our past karmas and at the same time not adding fresh karmas to the load. Merely praying to god and passing on the responsibility to god will not help even a bit to clear/expunge/get rid of our karma. This is where all religions play their part, mislead lakhs and crores of people and make a lot of profit in the business (of religion).

Dear Sangom ji,


I beg to differ slightly...in utero itself techincally Pareekshit was supposed to be destroyed when Ashwatthama had launched the Brahamastra but becos Lord Krishna intervened Pareekshit was protected and grew up to be a good emperor for the land and the subjects benefited from his Dharmic Rajyam.

Then the so called ill fated incident happened where he was cursed to be bitten by Takshak.

He had the "bhagyam" to hear the Bhagavatha Purana and fixing his mind totally on God till his final moment.

I would agree that Karma can not be changed..but the course of it surely can take a different route for the good even though the outcome that is death is the same.

Pareekshit was destined to be destroyed when Ashwatthama released the Brahmaastra but Lord Krishna postponed the death of Pareekshit giving him the chance to become a righteous emperor..and to die hearing the Bhagavata Purana..no doubt death in his case could not be stopped cos anything that takes birth has to die but the manner in which he died was a blessing instead of just being blown up into pieces in utero without even knowing what hit him.

 

[tks]

I always had this doubt..some puranas state that those who have done good deeds attain higher heavens like Indra Loka that is still subject to rebirth no doubt.

But in Indra Loka one has multiple Apsaras,Wine,Aerial Cars etc and all sensual indulgence..so why is all the fuss made if a human does the same on earth..like having multiple partners, drinking alcohol and having one's own private jet and riches?

I am not sure if Swarga is really a specific place.. It is an experience.
Like a paid vacation where one does not earn anything but just spend. Eventually money runs out of vacation and one has to again earn ..

Items of sensual indulgence is never a problem even in the life now as we know it. Seeking Kama is a legitimate pursuit provided it is in alignment with Dharma which is least understood.

 

[tks]

We cannot take Avvaiyar and ourselves. Personally, I feel Avvai is a legendary figure and many poems have been put out in her name, just as so many stotras and slokas have been put out in the name of Adi sankara.

When it comes to Karma, if we go by our scriptures, no power, not even the highest god could change the fate of Pareekshit. So, each one of us has to work in order to experience the results of our past karmas and at the same time not adding fresh karmas to the load. Merely praying to god and passing on the responsibility to god will not help even a bit to clear/expunge/get rid of our karma. This is where all religions play their part, mislead lakhs and crores of people and make a lot of profit in the business (of religion).

Is it really relevant who happens to be the actual author of a poem is and what their real name was a few hundred or few thousand years ago? The only thing that matters in my view is that the messages from two poems attributed to the same name do not contradict each other.

For example Narada Bhakti Sutras may be by some anonymous person - why care? It is not inconsistent with other teachings attributed to Sri Sankara

Karma model which cannot be proved also states (and I am simplifying to make a point) that one has limitless (read as infinite) Karma and hence any one talking about exhausting them in any lifetimes does not understand the basics of the model. Of course no God can exhaust them though their effect in a given life can be offset by other actions ...

Various religious theologies all over the world including in India have helped people feel a sense of temporary peace but also have helped create violent wars at various times including in today's world. Most such theologies originate in human ignorance.

The focus for any serious student has to be the opposite - seeking knowledge which is subject to understanding and not belief.

Rituals and a way of life consistent with seeker's quest leads to results.
What result and what knowledge - that is a big topic by itself

 

[V.Balasubramani]

Sir,

Pranams,

It is said that we need to necessarily experience fruits of our actions of previous birth i.e the bad karma. And there is no escape from this.

IMHO we can very well attempt to mitigate the Karma by following Dharma sincerely as I believe that we accomplish in proportion to the attempts we make. I just remebmer of proverb that‘Thalaikku vandhadhu thalaipaagaiyodhu potchu’.

Great Epics and puranas are preached to enable devotees tounderstand, believe and try to follow or practice the morale or dharma. I remember in one Purana, Legend Markandeya, though he wasdestined to die when he attains the age of 12, but was blessed to live forever by Lord Shiva.

With regards

 

[tks]

Sir,

Pranams,

It is said that we need to necessarily experience fruits of our actions of previous birth i.e the bad karma. And there is no escape from this.

IMHO we can very well attempt to mitigate the Karma by following Dharma sincerely as I believe that we accomplish in proportion to the attempts we make. I just remebmer of proverb that‘Thalaikku vandhadhu thalaipaagaiyodhu potchu’.

Great Epics and puranas are preached to enable devotees tounderstand, believe and try to follow or practice the morale or dharma. I remember in one Purana, Legend Markandeya, though he wasdestined to die when he attains the age of 12, but was blessed to live forever by Lord Shiva.

With regards

A few points:\

1. In the Karma model one experiences Prarabdha Karma and Karma resulting from free will based decisions and actions.
This applies to both Punya and Papa in the model.

2. Following Dharma does not stop the need to experience the unfolding effects of the Karma in one's life - however the effects could be affected by other actions arising out of free will. This is the model.

3. In this context there is a major difference between astrological practice of India and the west.
In the West the focus of Astrology is the future and all a believer can do is to simply wait for events to unfold.

The Hindu astrology instead places focus on study of the past - so that a person can undertake a free will based set of actions (like Pariharam) to offset the effects of unfolding Karma by the new Karma created by new actions.

4. There is another issue with one wanting to follow Dharma - it is misunderstood by the masses. So called Dharma Shastra have issues in the context of today's life. It will be silly also if following Dharma required one to be born as a Hindu and being exposed to epics and Puranas.

5. Epics and Puranas are embellished over centuries and do not represent facts. They are not historical documents. They contradict scientific principles.

What they provide are possibly key learnings symbolically buried in the stories and metaphors employed. Sometimes the embellishment has had the effects of destroying the original teaching leaving to interpretation of teacher and reader.

They are not authoritative texts and final word in understanding Satyam.

Regards

 

[V.Balasubramani]

A few points:\

1. In the Karma model one experiences Prarabdha Karma and Karma resulting from free will based decisions and actions.
This applies to both Punya and Papa in the model.

2. Following Dharma does not stop the need to experience the unfolding effects of the Karma in one's life - however the effects could be affected by other actions arising out of free will. This is the model.

3. In this context there is a major difference between astrological practice of India and the west.
In the West the focus of Astrology is the future and all a believer can do is to simply wait for events to unfold.

The Hindu astrology instead places focus on study of the past - so that a person can undertake a free will based set of actions (like Pariharam) to offset the effects of unfolding Karma by the new Karma created by new actions.

4. There is another issue with one wanting to follow Dharma - it is misunderstood by the masses. So called Dharma Shastra have issues in the context of today's life. It will be silly also if following Dharma required one to be born as a Hindu and being exposed to epics and Puranas.

5. Epics and Puranas are embellished over centuries and do not represent facts. They are not historical documents. They contradict scientific principles.

What they provide are possibly key learnings symbolically buried in the stories and metaphors employed. Sometimes the embellishment has had the effects of destroying the original teaching leaving to interpretation of teacher and reader.

They are not authoritative texts and final word in understanding Satyam.

Regards

Sir,
Pranams,

Thanks for the information Sir.

With regards