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Make in India vs. Make in China PUJA MEHRA

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To protect domestic manufacturers, India has been imposing an anti-dumping duty on 159 products — ranging from chemicals, petrochemicals, pharmaceutical, steel, fibres and consumer goods — imported from China since 1992.


The spurt in factory imports from China has coincided with a sharp slide in India’s manufacturing sector despite the UPA government’s efforts to push the sector.


Manufacturing output grew barely 1 per cent in 2012-13. In 2013-14, factory output contracted (-) 0.7 per cent. The share of the jobs-creating sector in the GDP has declined to 14.9 per cent in 2013-14 from the peak level of 16.2 per cent in 2009-10.

India’s advantage
But there is hope still. A new index of manufacturing costs, including productivity-adjusted wages, electricity, natural gas and currency movements, created by the Boston Consulting Group (BCG) of the world’s 25 biggest exporters shows China’s traditional cost advantage is now under pressure denting its attractiveness. Under pressure from the U.S., China has had to appreciate its currency by 30 per cent since 2006, which is eroding its exports’ cost competitiveness. Just-in data from the International Monetary Fund show that China is no longer the largest trade surplus economy in the world.


India's advantage

Therein lies an opportunity “Make in India” must tap. India’s labour costs are among the lowest in the world. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, average labour compensation (including pay, benefits, social insurance, and taxes) in India’s organised manufacturing sector increased only marginally, from $0.68 an hour in 1999 to $1.50 an hour currently. The average compensation in China’s manufacturing sector in contrast rose 20 percent year-on-year in the same period to $3 an hour.


Besides, the cost competitiveness, India boasts a nearly 500-million-strong labour force comprising unskilled workers and English-speaking scientists, researchers, and engineers, making it a potential destination for cost-effective research and development-oriented manufacturing.
Make in India vs. Make in China - The Hindu
 
from $0.68 an hour in 1999 to $1.50 an hour currently is not any "marginal" increase but more than 100% increase!

I have a vague feeling that all these figures have been 'conveniently' used to prepare this "India-friendly" write-up. The reality is China can (and it will) sell at lower prices than India, whatever the value of Yuan, wage rates, etc., because China is almost an autocracy, whereas in India such possibility is nil.

Second point is whether India has the state of the art manufacturing technology and machinery and whether our quality consciousness will allow us to compete in the developed markets with countries like Japan, S.Korea, etc. We may be having a huge labour force but what about its quality consciousness?
 
from $0.68 an hour in 1999 to $1.50 an hour currently is not any "marginal" increase but more than 100% increase!

Sir, I think that the article talks about a marginal comparative increase rather than an absolute increase over a period of 15 years. The rate of increase in Labour compensation in India rose approx 5.42% YoY compared to China's 20%, and in that sense is a cheaper alternative.

But you have made a very pertinent point about quality consiousness amongst Indian corporates, I agree. Chinese products are also not known for their quality, but I see almost all electronic "brands" having a manufacturing setup in China. I feel that there is a price for the quality desired, and China manages to achieve a low in that (price) somehow!
 
Sir, I think that the article talks about a marginal comparative increase rather than an absolute increase over a period of 15 years. The rate of increase in Labour compensation in India rose approx 5.42% YoY compared to China's 20%, and in that sense is a cheaper alternative.

But you have made a very pertinent point about quality consiousness amongst Indian corporates, I agree. Chinese products are also not known for their quality, but I see almost all electronic "brands" having a manufacturing setup in China. I feel that there is a price for the quality desired, and China manages to achieve a low in that (price) somehow!

Shri auh,

I am not any expert on China, but I think their policy is to undercut and sell. Wherever required they can also ensure high quality (e.g., it is reported that China supplied components and reactors etc., to Pakistan and Iran, to make them nuclear capable). May be you can say more authoritatively.
 
Shri auh,

I am not any expert on China, but I think their policy is to undercut and sell. Wherever required they can also ensure high quality (e.g., it is reported that China supplied components and reactors etc., to Pakistan and Iran, to make them nuclear capable). May be you can say more authoritatively.

sangom,

people like to parrot the western derisive attitude towards chinese products.

yet the west is the biggest consumer of 'made in china'. china also makes quality stuff like apple iphones, to the exacting and demanding standards of the apple company. there is no skillset in the usa to make such phones.

china is entering the commercial jet field along with japan. companies like airbus and boeing need to watch out. airbus, recently set up an assembly plant in china for A320 planes, in return for a guaranteed purchase of 1000 of them by chinese airlines. the net result is that over 120 years of european airline technology transferred to the chinese for free.

like the soviets of old who stole the atom bomb knowhow, the chinese have used extensive spy system to steal commercial secrets. so far, they have made no mistakes in their foreign policy dealings since deng xiao ping reformed the economy. let us how this all turns out....
 
further to my earlier note, here is another example of china - how smart and ruthless it is - this time to get chip technology.

this is in new york times today

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/27/t...-pressure-china-builds-its-chip-industry.html

Using Cash and Pressure, China Builds Its Chip Industry

HONG KONG — China churns out many of the world’s electronic devices: smartphones, computers, complicated networking equipment.

Now the country is redoubling its efforts to design and produce the brains behind most of those electronics, the chip.

China is playing catch-up with global rivals. Last year, the country imported $232 billion of semiconductor products, eclipsing even the amount spent on petroleum.

To narrow the gap, Beijing is starting programs to increase investment by the state and to gain expertise from foreign chip companies. Experts say the chip industry is one focus of Chinese espionage efforts.

There’s also new bureaucratic determination. Vice Premier Ma Kai is leading a task force charged with making the country’s chip industry a world leader by 2030. The task force brings together four ministries and is estimated to have $170 billion in government support to spend over five to 10 years, according to a report in June by McKinsey & Company.

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“There is a clear sense of urgency nowadays about semiconductors and chips in particular,” said Daniel H. Rosen, founding partner of the Rhodium Group, an economic research and advisory firm. “There is a sense that since China is overwhelmingly still dependent on imports — especially for higher-end chips that go into everything made in the country — there is a national security vulnerability.”

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Vice Premier Ma Kai leads efforts to make China’s chip industry a world leader by 2030. Credit Jason Lee/Reuters
Disclosures by the former National Security Agency contractor Edward J. Snowden about United States government surveillance have only deepened such concerns. The situation has led to a broader awareness among Chinese government officials of potential security issues with foreign-sourced tech components like chips.

The fallout from the disclosures is most likely to blame, in part, for a recent antitrust investigation into Qualcomm, analysts and industry executives say. The case is expected to result in a fine and to force the company to lower the licensing fees it charges Chinese companies to use its technology, according to analysts and lawyers following the case.

In recent months, multinational companies have faced growing pressure in China, where investigators have begun antitrust and price-fixing investigations aimed at food manufacturers, automakers and technology companies. While Qualcomm’s troubles fit the trend, they also show how China’s inquiries align with broader economic and strategic initiatives.

“The Chinese government has credibility to pick on Qualcomm because of investigations into the company in other countries,” said Scott Kennedy, director of the Research Center for Chinese Politics and Business at Indiana University. “But it also definitely fits their industrial policy goals if they can squeeze in lower licensing fees or other technology-sharing arrangements.”

As it takes aim at foreign players, China is striving to develop its chip industry. Over the past 15 years, the government has granted subsidies, funding and even extraordinary rights to promising chip makers.

To attract international talent, the founder of one chip maker, the Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corporation, added amenities like a bilingual school to entice the highly skilled engineers he needed to put together complex assembly lines. The founder, a Christian, even built a church — of particular appeal to Christian Taiwanese, who are accustomed to companies sponsoring Bible study and similar activities — even though Beijing remains highly suspicious of the spread of Christianity.

With help from government subsidies, SMIC has become a major chip producer since its founding in 2000, though it still lacks the scale and technology to compete at the level of companies like Intel, Samsung and the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Corporation. Other companies founded with government funding in the early 2000s sell chip designs for cheap smartphones but remain small compared with Qualcomm.

The Chinese government has been suspected of being involved in schemes to acquire chip technology with military applications. In 2012, the Federal Bureau of Investigation indicted two Chinese men, charging them with illegally trying to buy reprogrammable chips from an American company, Lattice Semiconductor, that could be used at high temperatures on spacecraft like rockets. The men are presumed to be in China and have not been arrested.

In two separate cases in 2011, Chinese citizens were prosecuted for trying to procure radiation-hardened chips for use in satellites. In one case two defendants pleaded guilty to conspiring to violate the Arms Export Control Act and to smuggle goods unlawfully from the United States. In the second case, one defendant pleaded guilty to violating that same act by selling chips to China. Analysts say attempts by Chinese companies to acquire confidential American technology are usually state-directed if not state-led.

Speaking about one of the 2011 cases, Neil H. MacBride, who was United States attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia at the time, said the conviction served as a deterrent to anyone seeking to procure information for China.

“The line between traditional espionage, export violations and economic espionage has become increasingly blurred as the sensitive information sought by the P.R.C. commonly has ramifications both economically and in terms of national security,” he said, referring to the People’s Republic of China, in a release after the case.

Tech security analysts say chip technology has also been a focus of hacking efforts aimed at foreign companies.

For example, the security firm CrowdStrike said one sophisticated group it calls Deep Panda has compromised five American and Taiwanese chip companies this year. The group, which has also gone after other targets like the pro-democratic Hong Kong Civic Party recently, is notable for particularly stealthy attacks that allow it to snoop on its victims’ data undetected. CrowdStrike says Deep Panda is connected to the Chinese government.

“They seem to be elite,” said Dmitri Alperovitch, co-founder and chief technology officer of CrowdStrike. “They’re one of the best groups in terms of tradecraft and sophistication.”

CrowdStrike’s claims could not be independently verified.

Analysts have indicated that the government, along with some Chinese companies, may be playing foreign rivals off one another to extract technology and other advantages.

In September, Intel, which has fallen behind Qualcomm in the booming market for chips that go into mobile phones, agreed to invest $1.5 billion in Tsinghua Unigroup. Last year, Tsinghua Unigroup emerged from relative obscurity to spend almost $2.7 billion on two Chinese chip-design companies, Spreadtrum Communications and RDA Microelectronics. Analysts point to the deals as a sign that China is seeking to turn the company into a national champion.

Tsinghua Unigroup is well positioned in that regard. The company is a subsidiary of Tsinghua Holdings, a highly connected company that once counted the son of a former Chinese president, Hu Jintao, as its party secretary — the position responsible for communicating and cooperating with the Chinese Communist Party. It also controls companies spun off from one of China’s top colleges, Tsinghua University.

As part of its agreement, Intel received a 20 percent stake in Spreadtrum. They will work together to create chips with wireless features. The investment could open up the giant Chinese mobile market for Intel, while Spreadtrum could gain valuable technical skill from Intel’s engineers.

That is bad news for Qualcomm. The situation could push Qualcomm to cooperate more with other Chinese companies to ensure that it does not face further difficulties with the government. Mr. Kennedy said the pattern of hitting one foreign company, like Qualcomm, while cooperating with a rival one, like Intel, matches a model that has been used in the past in China to extract new technologies and support for local companies from foreign multinationals.

“The Chinese have a full panoply of tools and tactics, and divide and conquer is one of them,” Mr. Kennedy said.

Shanshan Wang contributed reporting from Beijing.
 
Subject: WHy India cannot beat China in manufacturing ?----from quora mail


Why not we, Indians learn from Chinese these methods of manufacturing cheaper products from now on with NaMo's governance ?

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Why can't India manufacture cheaper products as compared to the Chinese?

Prasanna Venkatachari, Knowledge lover. Entrepreneur.36 upvotes by Ranjeet BitKe, Alok Singh, Vivek Nayagam, (more)







China has been able to produce and sell cheaper products than most other countries , not just India. However, let us see what are the key factors that enabled Chinese to produce and sell cheaper products.

1. Cost Efficient Labour

The notion that China has the world’s lowest paid labour is only partly true. There are other countries like Srilanka , Vietnam whose labour wages are upto 30% lesser than China, but what makes the difference is the efficiency of the Labours. Infact in the last four years Chinese labour wages has been consistently increasing by 15% a year.

The increase in wages is equally matched by increase in productivity.
China’s productivity growth has been and remains far ahead of that of most other countries in the world. Between 1990 and 2010, China’s annualized average productivity growth rate was 2.8 percent, far greater than that of the United States and Japan (0.5 percent and 0.2 percent, respectively).


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A Chinese factory making iPhones was able to rouse 8,000 workers from their dormitory and put them on the assembly line at midnight, according to theNew York Times. Not the next day.Midnight. Nowhere else are such feats feasible.

2. Commendable supply chain

Supply chain activities transform natural resources, raw materials, and components into a finished product that is delivered to the end customer. China's supply chain is sophisticated and flexible. China’s biggest advantage is their domestic availability of the most of the raw materials required to manufacture a given product (for eg. Electronic components).


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3. Competitive Pricing

China can afford to price so competitively because it does not take on certain costs, such as R&D and product innovation. Two reasons for this, Firstly , Most of their manufacturing orders comes from abroad i.e only the developed idea need to be manufactured and secondly, the Lack of IPR(Intellectual Property Enforcement) meaning the products can be easily copied. When Honda launches a product any where in the world, China copies it without delay. Same is the case with many products in electronics as well.

4. Mass Productivity and Dumping

The components or products going into production really are mass produced at an aggregate cost and China follows a strategy called dumping. Dumping is the act of a manufacturer in one country exporting a product to another country at a price that is either below the price it charges in its home market or is below its cost of production.The goal of "dumping" is to capture the market or destroy the competition , which China does so effectively*.

*Though there are many countries including The US have started imposing anti-dumping tariff on China.


5. The controversial currency manipulation

The Yuan is manipulated and pegged undervalued to the US dollar. So the price quoted in US dollar will be cheaper than normal. The manipulation has affected the domestic price of the product and labour wages to a troubling level as It has been kept much lower than it should have been.

What India needs to do to catch up( Not just with the low cost products but overall manufacturing)

In Simple terms,

  • Encourage FDI, Relax rules, Encourage Indian entrepreneurs
  • Push disproportionate percentage of workforce in Agriculture into manufacturing sector
  • Transformation of unskilled labours into skilled labours
  • Improve logistics and infrastructure and power efficiency
  • Improve overall export (currently 1.7% of world export is India’s)







 
For "Make in India" to be a success, two critical components have to be addressed

1) Unpredictability in labour costs have to be curtailed - this includes abolishing hartals, bandhs, lockouts etc. Though unions are a grievance redressel mechanism, it has grossly overlived its purpose and is a main source of lobbying for political agendas.

2) Transportation costs and reduced lead times - this would mean enhanced portability through well connected and durable roads (without potholes and bumps - govt can think of exclusive cargo roads to important cities), removing road rokos and bottlenecks, and embarking on usage of solar power in a large scale (by providing incentives). Driverless trucks are being used in the Netherlands for transportation; even if we are not upto that mark, some move could be made in that direction. Fuel cost could be a thorn in the whole package and perhaps encouraging more sea-exploration could yield returns (but not immediately).
 
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