I found this article very interesting in understanding illusion. Though it is not written by a Hindu, yet the nature of the concept has enlightened the writer to make a good concept and writing. There are many such sermonizing preachings on the internet, but this one on maya the illusion I felt is enlightening so I like to share it here.
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MAYA - Illusion
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According to Dictionary.com MAYA can mean.
1. the power, as of a god, to produce illusions.
2.the production of an illusion.
3.(in Vedantic philosophy) the illusion of the reality of sensory experience and of the experienced qualities and attributes of oneself.
Maya - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Definition of MAYA
: the sense-world of manifold phenomena held in Vedanta to conceal the unity of absolute being; broadly : illusion
OR
1.a : a Mayan language of the ancient Maya peoples recorded in inscriptions
b : yucatec; especially : the older form of that language known from documents of the Spanish period
2: a member of a group of Indian peoples chiefly of Yucatán, Belize, and Guatemala whose languages are Mayan
OR
In Hinduism, a powerful force that creates the cosmic illusion that the phenomenal world is real. The word maya originally referred to the wizardry with which a god can make human beings believe in what turns out to be an illusion, and its philosophical sense is an extension of this meaning. The concept is especially important in the Advaita school of the orthodox system of Vedanta, which sees maya as the cosmic force that presents the infinite Brahman as the finite phenomenal world.
Just because a word sounds like some other word, it does not mean the same.
Jai MAA! :: Sri Kamakhya Mahavidya Mandir » The Great Delusion: Maya, Devi, and (un)Reality in Advaita Vedanta vs. Shakta Tantra
The concept of maya, or illusion, is an important one in Hinduism. In Advaita Vedanta, the philosophical school championed by Adi Shankaracarya in the 9th century, which became the foundation for modern Hinduism, the manifest world is merely illusion. It’s not real. The only thing that’s real is Infinite Being, or Brahman, which is not separate (a-dvaita, non-duality) from our own true Self, which is separate itself from the illusory ego. Brahman pervades the entire universe, and is both saguna (with attributes) and nirguna (without attributes). Eternal and unchanging, Brahman is the only actual reality. For Shankara, Maya is the illusion of separateness an the illusory physical world, all generated by the Goddess (who is herself a manifestation of Brahman, though he speaks very little about the relationship between Maya and Brahman). It is purely physical and mental, and it is not real. Only Brahman is real. The goal of life is to disentangle ourselves from Maya and realize its illusory nature, and our non-separateness from the one true reality of Infinite Being.
There are people in this site, who know more about Advaita, and may have better explanation.
1. the power, as of a god, to produce illusions.
2.the production of an illusion.
3.(in Vedantic philosophy) the illusion of the reality of sensory experience and of the experienced qualities and attributes of oneself.
Maya - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
Definition of MAYA
: the sense-world of manifold phenomena held in Vedanta to conceal the unity of absolute being; broadly : illusion
OR
1.a : a Mayan language of the ancient Maya peoples recorded in inscriptions
b : yucatec; especially : the older form of that language known from documents of the Spanish period
2: a member of a group of Indian peoples chiefly of Yucatán, Belize, and Guatemala whose languages are Mayan
OR
In Hinduism, a powerful force that creates the cosmic illusion that the phenomenal world is real. The word maya originally referred to the wizardry with which a god can make human beings believe in what turns out to be an illusion, and its philosophical sense is an extension of this meaning. The concept is especially important in the Advaita school of the orthodox system of Vedanta, which sees maya as the cosmic force that presents the infinite Brahman as the finite phenomenal world.
Just because a word sounds like some other word, it does not mean the same.
Jai MAA! :: Sri Kamakhya Mahavidya Mandir » The Great Delusion: Maya, Devi, and (un)Reality in Advaita Vedanta vs. Shakta Tantra
The concept of maya, or illusion, is an important one in Hinduism. In Advaita Vedanta, the philosophical school championed by Adi Shankaracarya in the 9th century, which became the foundation for modern Hinduism, the manifest world is merely illusion. It’s not real. The only thing that’s real is Infinite Being, or Brahman, which is not separate (a-dvaita, non-duality) from our own true Self, which is separate itself from the illusory ego. Brahman pervades the entire universe, and is both saguna (with attributes) and nirguna (without attributes). Eternal and unchanging, Brahman is the only actual reality. For Shankara, Maya is the illusion of separateness an the illusory physical world, all generated by the Goddess (who is herself a manifestation of Brahman, though he speaks very little about the relationship between Maya and Brahman). It is purely physical and mental, and it is not real. Only Brahman is real. The goal of life is to disentangle ourselves from Maya and realize its illusory nature, and our non-separateness from the one true reality of Infinite Being.
There are people in this site, who know more about Advaita, and may have better explanation.
Maya is a word which in Sanskrit means illusion. Lets look at it in various timelines.
Maya is the name of a person Maya Dhanava or Asura Maya.
In Mahabharatha, there is reference to Maya Dhanava who built the Maya Sabha for the Pandavas. He is said to have sent to the Patalas, to the Talatala where he rules and is defeated and later benefited by Lord Shiva. He is a master intellect and illusionist.
Thus the word Maya and the name Maya Dhanava has ties. Maya Dhanava is an illusionist.
This was all before the onset of Kali Yuga. Around 788 A. D. Sankaracharya founded the Advaita Vedanta based on his own concepts of the Vedas which was later opposed by Ramanuja born in 1017 A. D.
Maya is the name of a person Maya Dhanava or Asura Maya.
In Mahabharatha, there is reference to Maya Dhanava who built the Maya Sabha for the Pandavas. He is said to have sent to the Patalas, to the Talatala where he rules and is defeated and later benefited by Lord Shiva. He is a master intellect and illusionist.
Thus the word Maya and the name Maya Dhanava has ties. Maya Dhanava is an illusionist.
This was all before the onset of Kali Yuga. Around 788 A. D. Sankaracharya founded the Advaita Vedanta based on his own concepts of the Vedas which was later opposed by Ramanuja born in 1017 A. D.
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Naradha and Maya
Narada and Maya:
In Devi Bhagwat Purana one comes across an incident where Narada desires to know from Vishnu the secret and nature of Maya
(the illusion). Vishnu led Narada to a lake and asked him to take a bath. Narada found himself transformed into a female and
though such a great seer he forgot who he really was. He as a female started taking his life as such and married a King called
Taladhvaj. He also gave birth to sons and took pride in his family. Suddenly Vishnu dispelled this illusion and brought back Narada
to the realm of reality. Narada thereby learnt what power Maya has over man.
Another legend relates the story of illusion as following:
Once Narada visited Dwaraka to see Lord Krishna (incarnation of Vishnu). He was welcomed heartily by Krishna. After the
pleasantries Narada said, "Krishna I want to know what maya is? Can you explain?" Krishna replied, "Narada, maya can't be
explained. It has to be experienced to be understood. Come with me."
Both Krishna and Narada left Dwaraka and kept on walking till they came to a desert. Narada curiously asked, "Where are we
going? How can I experience maya in a desert Krishna?" "Be patient, Narada", replied Krishna.
After they had walked a good distance, Krishna suddenly stopped. He said, "I can't walk any further Narada. My throat is a
parched. Please fetch me some water." Narada immediately went in search of water. After walking miles he came across to what
looked a settlement. With determination of fetching water to his Lord, Narada went on till he reached the small village. On
reaching the village he came across a well. Near the well drawing water was an exquisite village girl. Narada was very taken by
the beauty of the girl and asked her, "Lady will you give me some water to quench my thirst?" "By all means, sir", replied the
damsel and served him with water.
After his thirst was quenched taken by her beauty Narada followedthe damsel to her house. On reaching the house he met the master
of the house and enquired about the beautiful he had followed. Onknowing he was talking to the girl's father, who was the village
chieftain Narada asked the hand of the damsel. The father agreedto give his daughter on the condition that Narada stay in the village
and in the house with him. Narada readily agreed for the condition. The marriage soon took place. Soon after the marriage, the old
village chieftain died, Narada had to assume his title and responsibilities.
Life went on and Narada was blessed with four children. When Narada was at the peak of his success, disaster came in the form of
a cyclonic winds, rain and floods. Narada put his family into a boat and tried to keep afloat, on the swirling waters. But the boat
capsized. Narada tired in vain to save his wife and children. A huge wave threw Narada on the shore. Distressed and grief stricken Narada moaned at the loss
of his wife and children. Utterly disillusioned he lost interest in life and cried out, "My wife gone! My children drowned! How can I live without them?"
Suddenly, he heard a voice, "Narada I am thirsty. Where is the water?" Narada turned around and seeing Krishna in front of him lamented, "Krishna! My wife, my children, bring
them back to me." Laughingly Krishna said, "Come to your senses Narad. There never was any wife or children. It was all an illusion." Immediately realizing the truth Narada said, "I
am grateful to you for enlightening me, Krishna. Life itself is an illusion from which it is difficult to escape. Only with your grace can this illusion be conquered."
Source: webonautics.com
Narada and Maya:
In Devi Bhagwat Purana one comes across an incident where Narada desires to know from Vishnu the secret and nature of Maya
(the illusion). Vishnu led Narada to a lake and asked him to take a bath. Narada found himself transformed into a female and
though such a great seer he forgot who he really was. He as a female started taking his life as such and married a King called
Taladhvaj. He also gave birth to sons and took pride in his family. Suddenly Vishnu dispelled this illusion and brought back Narada
to the realm of reality. Narada thereby learnt what power Maya has over man.
Another legend relates the story of illusion as following:
Once Narada visited Dwaraka to see Lord Krishna (incarnation of Vishnu). He was welcomed heartily by Krishna. After the
pleasantries Narada said, "Krishna I want to know what maya is? Can you explain?" Krishna replied, "Narada, maya can't be
explained. It has to be experienced to be understood. Come with me."
Both Krishna and Narada left Dwaraka and kept on walking till they came to a desert. Narada curiously asked, "Where are we
going? How can I experience maya in a desert Krishna?" "Be patient, Narada", replied Krishna.
After they had walked a good distance, Krishna suddenly stopped. He said, "I can't walk any further Narada. My throat is a
parched. Please fetch me some water." Narada immediately went in search of water. After walking miles he came across to what
looked a settlement. With determination of fetching water to his Lord, Narada went on till he reached the small village. On
reaching the village he came across a well. Near the well drawing water was an exquisite village girl. Narada was very taken by
the beauty of the girl and asked her, "Lady will you give me some water to quench my thirst?" "By all means, sir", replied the
damsel and served him with water.
After his thirst was quenched taken by her beauty Narada followedthe damsel to her house. On reaching the house he met the master
of the house and enquired about the beautiful he had followed. Onknowing he was talking to the girl's father, who was the village
chieftain Narada asked the hand of the damsel. The father agreedto give his daughter on the condition that Narada stay in the village
and in the house with him. Narada readily agreed for the condition. The marriage soon took place. Soon after the marriage, the old
village chieftain died, Narada had to assume his title and responsibilities.
Life went on and Narada was blessed with four children. When Narada was at the peak of his success, disaster came in the form of
a cyclonic winds, rain and floods. Narada put his family into a boat and tried to keep afloat, on the swirling waters. But the boat
capsized. Narada tired in vain to save his wife and children. A huge wave threw Narada on the shore. Distressed and grief stricken Narada moaned at the loss
of his wife and children. Utterly disillusioned he lost interest in life and cried out, "My wife gone! My children drowned! How can I live without them?"
Suddenly, he heard a voice, "Narada I am thirsty. Where is the water?" Narada turned around and seeing Krishna in front of him lamented, "Krishna! My wife, my children, bring
them back to me." Laughingly Krishna said, "Come to your senses Narad. There never was any wife or children. It was all an illusion." Immediately realizing the truth Narada said, "I
am grateful to you for enlightening me, Krishna. Life itself is an illusion from which it is difficult to escape. Only with your grace can this illusion be conquered."
Source: webonautics.com
tbs
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hi
maya exists...i saw a girl named MAYA....she is really looklike maayaaaa.....then i suddenly realised ...THE WHOLE WORLD IS ,
MAYA....means i can see her everywhere....OH GOD...THIS IS MAAYAAA....
tbs
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hi
not exactly...i do GAYATRI daily....it does not mean that i love GAAYATHRI.....means the gal named GAAYATRI.......but i like gaayatri mantra...lol
guruvayurappan
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dear avatar !
i like the if only concept details.maya is the stage in which we are not able to come of one act even though we realize that it will do anything good.the maya is nothing but the mind setup of
நம்பினார் கெடுவதில்லை என்பதை மட்டும் மனதில் நிறுத்தி ,அதிக நம்பிகை அதிக ஏமாற்றம் என்பதை நினைக்க முடியாத நிலையை தருவது
guruvayurappan
i like the if only concept details.maya is the stage in which we are not able to come of one act even though we realize that it will do anything good.the maya is nothing but the mind setup of
நம்பினார் கெடுவதில்லை என்பதை மட்டும் மனதில் நிறுத்தி ,அதிக நம்பிகை அதிக ஏமாற்றம் என்பதை நினைக்க முடியாத நிலையை தருவது
guruvayurappan
I read a story about Thenali Raman argues this case in the Krishna Deva Rayar Kingdom. One sage came to his Kingdom and talked about illusion. Thenali Raman argued that the sage be left without food and serve everyone else with food. How long can he live in illusion without having food while everyone else has it. The point he tried to make was, the food which we eat is real and hence is our life and everything. There is no illusion.
I am not going to make any counter argument on this, but as Krishna said, maya cannot be understood by explanation, and it has to be experienced to learn about it.
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sangom
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Dear TBF friends,
One of our very esteemed friends phoned me (across the continents!) twice today to enquire about my health and why I have not been participating here for the last few days. So kind of him. I have already thanked him through e-mail but I wish to pay my best respect to him for his concern towards a web-friend.
I happened to log-in as a result and found this topic to be interesting. I had started a couple of threads in the past regarding advaita as some of you might be knowing. Maya has another expansion (there are many) according to nirukta: मीयते अपरोक्षवत् प्रदर्श्यते अनया इति माया । (mīyate aparokṣavat pradarśyate anayā iti māyā |). That by which this universe appears to us as real is māyā. And I think this was the sense in which it was used in advaita philosophy originally, at least, if not even today.
While we all have to think, act and behave as if this universe is real, as long as "we" are attached to our physical bodies, the sages/ācāryas hold that if one is able to completely detach himself/herself from the physical body, it will become clear that all this 'real-looking' universe will become a mirage-like experience. One of the sages has explained that feeling in words readily understandable to us; he says 'think of a cinema actor/actress. He/she acts in the location/sets as if the script of the cinema/scene is real but knows very well that it is only acting and he/she has to do that so excellently as to astonish the cineviewers and impress them. But when the same actor/actress happens to preview or even view the same film, he/she will be aware that it was all acting, make-believe and that the story, script, scene, the emotions, all were false, in a sense. "
This world (universe, we may say) is just like that. As Shakespeare put it quite correctly, "All the world's a stage". But to understand and experience this, we require certain spiritual orientation or at least become old (like myself) and be able to look back into our own life, the people, places and experiences we have had, etc. Then it will become somewhat clear (even for a not-very-spiritual person like myself) that all this world had been a stage and we all were like puppets whose control is in some other hands. That perhaps is the first 'peep-from-outside' into the magnificent palace of māyā...., imho.
One of our very esteemed friends phoned me (across the continents!) twice today to enquire about my health and why I have not been participating here for the last few days. So kind of him. I have already thanked him through e-mail but I wish to pay my best respect to him for his concern towards a web-friend.
I happened to log-in as a result and found this topic to be interesting. I had started a couple of threads in the past regarding advaita as some of you might be knowing. Maya has another expansion (there are many) according to nirukta: मीयते अपरोक्षवत् प्रदर्श्यते अनया इति माया । (mīyate aparokṣavat pradarśyate anayā iti māyā |). That by which this universe appears to us as real is māyā. And I think this was the sense in which it was used in advaita philosophy originally, at least, if not even today.
While we all have to think, act and behave as if this universe is real, as long as "we" are attached to our physical bodies, the sages/ācāryas hold that if one is able to completely detach himself/herself from the physical body, it will become clear that all this 'real-looking' universe will become a mirage-like experience. One of the sages has explained that feeling in words readily understandable to us; he says 'think of a cinema actor/actress. He/she acts in the location/sets as if the script of the cinema/scene is real but knows very well that it is only acting and he/she has to do that so excellently as to astonish the cineviewers and impress them. But when the same actor/actress happens to preview or even view the same film, he/she will be aware that it was all acting, make-believe and that the story, script, scene, the emotions, all were false, in a sense. "
This world (universe, we may say) is just like that. As Shakespeare put it quite correctly, "All the world's a stage". But to understand and experience this, we require certain spiritual orientation or at least become old (like myself) and be able to look back into our own life, the people, places and experiences we have had, etc. Then it will become somewhat clear (even for a not-very-spiritual person like myself) that all this world had been a stage and we all were like puppets whose control is in some other hands. That perhaps is the first 'peep-from-outside' into the magnificent palace of māyā...., imho.
guruvayurappan
Active member
welcome sangom sir !
nice to read your post after a gap
நாடகமே உலகம் அதில் நாம் எல்லோரும் பாத்திரங்கள் .அவன் சூத்ரதாரி அவன் கையில் நாம் பொம்மைகள்
ஆட்டுவித்தால் ஆடாதார் யார் கண்ணா
போன்ற வரிகள் உங்கள் எழுத்தில் நினைவு ஊட்டப்படுகிறது
guruvayurappan
nice to read your post after a gap
நாடகமே உலகம் அதில் நாம் எல்லோரும் பாத்திரங்கள் .அவன் சூத்ரதாரி அவன் கையில் நாம் பொம்மைகள்
ஆட்டுவித்தால் ஆடாதார் யார் கண்ணா
போன்ற வரிகள் உங்கள் எழுத்தில் நினைவு ஊட்டப்படுகிறது
guruvayurappan
Good Post Sir.
This is exactly analogous to the actor/actresses to human beings and the impression of the viewers to money/physical pleasures/popularity. (Some people's actions are simply biased towards creating evil outcomes)
A salesman approaching his target works for money. He has to use all his skills to advertise his product. Every person doing his work, strives hard for money. Studying is for money. Playing sports is for money. Apart from money people's actions are also biased towards physical pleasures.
As Krishna would put it, "Seek to perform your duty without expecting its fruitition." One good example of this is Lord Hanuman who performed his duty for the path of dharma without expecting any benefit in return. Hence more people until today worship Lord Hanuman even more than Lord Ram or Lakshmana or any other person in Ramayana.
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I do not believe that our actions are controlled by someone else imho.
We have our right to choose, we have our choice of freedom absolutely but to exercise that towards the correct path we must first understand the illusion surrounding us, which is understanding the force that is controlling us or trying to control our free will.
Regards.
prasad1
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We have our right to choose the actions in this life. We do not have the right to choose the circumstances. It is like a game of card, you play the hand you are dealt. You can play it as you like.
Mr. Sangom sir is right in his contention that the ultimate control is not with us. The circumstances are predetermined for us by our vasanas, karma etc. To assume that we control our environment would be egoistic.
Good Day Mr. Prasad1,
You have misunderstood the meaning of my post. Or I should say the fault is on me, I must have been more elaborate in my previous post. In my previous post I said we have the freedom of choice. I did not say, please note again, I did not say we have the capacity to control the outcome of our choice. The outcome of our choice is determined by our past life karmas, vasanas it is absolutely true. We do not control our environment but once we understand illusion, we have the capacity to make the correct choice which will be on the good side. While we are in illusion, or we are unaware of illusion, the choices we make will definitely be on the bad side. There are two basic choices Good or Bad.
When I was in school during my teen age I went really mad about a girl in my class, which is normal for anyone. I was so mad about her that every thought I had, every action I did, every choice and actions I made were to impress her and attract her. I ran into a lot of problems and punishments for doing that and I did not realize that I am doing everything in vain. Whenever some other guy talks to her, I go really mad. I was jealous and made problems with the guys talking to her and so on. But another guy impressed her very easily without doing anything I did, without undergoing any of the punishments I underwent. The girl openly admitted she loved him and I had nothing more other than defeat. It was really good on her part that she admitted it otherwise I would have still been mad about her. Now at this stage I realize the girl herself was an illusion and that illusion was controlling me even though the girl herself might not be aware of it. If I had understood the concept of illusion in those days I would not have done it and I would have concentrated on studies or something else (the outcome would have been the same, she would have been attracted by the guy who was supposed to impress her by his past karmas) but it is by experience I learnt what is what in this world.
It is possible to identify illusion easily because illusion will try to control us and arrest our choice of free will. It exists in all places we go. Even in all the forums. Certain members post faulty ideas, try to influence the posts of other members to create illusion and this is just a small example.
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tbs
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hi
i had similar story ...when i was in was in high school...i got punishments too....i never thought it is Maya....for me same thing
repeated in my college days....never worked out....i realised that time...ITS NOT MAYA....ITS MY VIDHI...NOT MEANT FOR ME....
i have strong belief in past karmas/vidhi tooo.....many things happened without any hard work/smoothly....i lost many things
even very hard work......the thing which is not meant for us is VIDHI.... the attchment is MAYA....like snake/rope theory of
advaita..ITS CALLED ABHASAH IM SANSKRIT......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpikeDgt9WE
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Folks – hang on!. Maya is NOT Illusion – it is a wrong translation / understanding !!
Concept of Maya is the pinnacle of our Vedic Religion!! and Illusion is a "wrong/bad/terrible" translation of Maya.
Our lives in this world is very real, people are born, they live, struggle, go through pain, sufferring, happiness, etc.. so you need to have food to live,work to have a job tec..
so what is Maya - as defined by our ancestors !!
Brahman is the ultimate being from which the Soul Originates. Our Soul is the life force & immortal & it goes through end less journey till it attains salvation.
Soul goes into different worlds & habits different bodies during this journey. In one of this journey, it inhabits the human form, makes strongbonds, has a family, wife, kids, experiences love, happiness, suffering.
so when Arjuna says to Krishna, I cannot kill my brothers. Krishna explains that this world is but a transient in the long journey of life. he says, that Duryodhana is only going through the cleansing of Karma, so by killing him, he will liberate him from the past karma !! So Duryodhana does NOT die permanently, his Soul will shed the Body & will continue to live !!. Hence earth is only transient !!
so when you look at the "eternal life" of the Soul & compare tothe limited time span on earth, you can see that earth is a maya, a transient life.
so Maya is a "transient life" in our end less Journey !!, so the suffering is real, happiness & pain are real, but it is transient. Hence Krishna says, that one should not have too much of attachment to family, kids,wife, brothers etc../ everyone of us is going through a transient life in our Journey !!
Hence you hear the common wisdom down the ages that - "this too shall pass" !! & there is Nothing permanent in our lives, for eg, people are born, they live, they are forgotten in a few generations. so nothing stays forever & everything is transient on earth !!
The fact that our Vedic Religion is the only one to explain this comprehensively is a pinnacle of our civilization !!
Concept of Maya is the pinnacle of our Vedic Religion!! and Illusion is a "wrong/bad/terrible" translation of Maya.
Our lives in this world is very real, people are born, they live, struggle, go through pain, sufferring, happiness, etc.. so you need to have food to live,work to have a job tec..
so what is Maya - as defined by our ancestors !!
Brahman is the ultimate being from which the Soul Originates. Our Soul is the life force & immortal & it goes through end less journey till it attains salvation.
Soul goes into different worlds & habits different bodies during this journey. In one of this journey, it inhabits the human form, makes strongbonds, has a family, wife, kids, experiences love, happiness, suffering.
so when Arjuna says to Krishna, I cannot kill my brothers. Krishna explains that this world is but a transient in the long journey of life. he says, that Duryodhana is only going through the cleansing of Karma, so by killing him, he will liberate him from the past karma !! So Duryodhana does NOT die permanently, his Soul will shed the Body & will continue to live !!. Hence earth is only transient !!
so when you look at the "eternal life" of the Soul & compare tothe limited time span on earth, you can see that earth is a maya, a transient life.
so Maya is a "transient life" in our end less Journey !!, so the suffering is real, happiness & pain are real, but it is transient. Hence Krishna says, that one should not have too much of attachment to family, kids,wife, brothers etc../ everyone of us is going through a transient life in our Journey !!
Hence you hear the common wisdom down the ages that - "this too shall pass" !! & there is Nothing permanent in our lives, for eg, people are born, they live, they are forgotten in a few generations. so nothing stays forever & everything is transient on earth !!
The fact that our Vedic Religion is the only one to explain this comprehensively is a pinnacle of our civilization !!
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Dear Sangom Sir,
your post #14 for reference:
I have a doubt here. The actors act out only imagined real situations. The situations are real. For instance an actor can not act out as if he is wagging his non existent tail and yet expect people to understand. So there must be a tail in the first place to wag. That tail is real and not imaginary. He can not act as if he is riding a horse with a non existant single horn.
In the snake and rope example. One can imagine a rope to be a snake only if he has prior knowledge of a snake. so that snake is real and not a maya. It is the physical condition of viewing in poor light that makes the rope look like a snake. again only like a snake and not like a timbuctoo.
Cheers.
your post #14 for reference:
I have a doubt here. The actors act out only imagined real situations. The situations are real. For instance an actor can not act out as if he is wagging his non existent tail and yet expect people to understand. So there must be a tail in the first place to wag. That tail is real and not imaginary. He can not act as if he is riding a horse with a non existant single horn.
In the snake and rope example. One can imagine a rope to be a snake only if he has prior knowledge of a snake. so that snake is real and not a maya. It is the physical condition of viewing in poor light that makes the rope look like a snake. again only like a snake and not like a timbuctoo.
Cheers.
Agree, to add - Maya is NOT about perception vs reality !!. It is not that something is happening in reality & you are experiencing something different.
Maya is about 2 different worlds, both are real - 1 transient, 1 permanent !! How a Soul transits through a "world of Maya" before it gets reunited with the untimate truth/eternal life - Brahman is the Journey of all of us in Earth/human form !!
the knowledge of the snake is real, but the snake is not real because it is not.
By throwing more light, viz understanding more about the rope, the assumption about the snake dissappears.
snake can be timbuctoo if the experience of it has been similar. It is for this reason that ones pain is not the same as others.
Some experience pain, but for a similar situations others may not experience pain or not experience it at the same level.
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