MAYA - Illusion

[Jaykay767]

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the knowledge of the snake is real,but the snake is not real because it is not.
By throwing more light, viz understanding more about the rope, the assumptionabout the snake dissappears.
snake can be timbuctoo if the experience of it has been similar. It is for thisreason that ones pain is not the same as others.
Some experience pain, but for a similar situations others may not experiencepain or not experience it at the same level.

yes, very good explanation on perception vs reality. But that is NOT Maya. Our existence on earth is NOT Illusion, it is as real as it can get. If by doing good Karma in this life, we can potentially get salavation, then how can our lives be "Illusion" or "unreal" !!

Maya as explained by krishna is about our existence on earth vs the ultimate truthBrahman & how our existence for a short span of time is transient/mayacompared to the eternal life of the Soul/Brahman. How Soul never dies, it onlymoves from one body to another, one form to another in its endless journey.

 

[ozone]

yes, very good explanation on perception vs reality. But that is NOT Maya.

I am not sure if Sri Shankara used the word Maya explicitly. He called it adhyAsa which implies superimposition. mAyA was probably an offshoot of this explanation.

Our existence on earth is NOT Illusion, it is as real as it can get.

May be you are referring to nitya-anitya-vastu. That is not the premise of mAyA.

If by doing good Karma in this life, we can potentially get salavation, then how can our lives be "Illusion" or "unreal" !!

I dont know about salvation - if you are refering to the body part.
If you are referring to liberation, then again Sri Shankara very empethically states that Karma cannot get you the liberation - it can only facilitate and help you reach there. Also there are jIvan mukthArs who have realised this liberation. So, liberation is achieved during life

Maya as explained by krishna is about our existence on earth vs the ultimate truthBrahman & how our existence for a short span of time is transient/mayacompared to the eternal life of the Soul/Brahman.

Advaita says Brahman is the only reality; the rest are mithyA.

How Soul never dies, it onlymoves from one body to another, one form to another in its endless journey.

thats right. So, there is nothing like salvation you refer to above.

 

[sangom]

I do not believe that our actions are controlled by someone else imho.

We have our right to choose, we have our choice of freedom absolutely but to exercise that towards the correct path we must first understand the illusion surrounding us, which is understanding the force that is controlling us or trying to control our free will.

Regards.

Dear Shri avatar,

Kindly see the highlighted (by me) portions in the above. You will be able to grasp that while our actions are not controlled by someone else, you also are compelled to admit that some force somewhere is controlling us or trying to control our free will.

This is exactly what I tried to state in my post in the following words:-
we all were like puppets whose control is in some other hands.

Perhaps the use of the words 'hands' gave you the impression that I was talking of some other entity with hands to control and so on, but I believe that the the phrase "some other hands" may also be understood in a broader sense to imply control from somewhere else.

May be our friends who are good at English guide me.

 

[Jaykay767]

I am not sure if Sri Shankara used the word Maya explicitly. He called it adhyAsa which implies superimposition. mAyA was probably an offshoot of this explanation.


May be you are referring to [/FONT][/COLOR]nitya-anitya-vastu. That is not the premise of mAyA.


I dont know about salvation - if you are refering to the body part.
If you are referring to liberation, then again Sri Shankara very empethically states that Karma cannot get you the liberation - it can only facilitate and help you reach there. Also there are jIvan mukthArs who have realised this liberation. So, liberation is achieved during life


Advaita says Brahman is the only reality; the rest are mithyA.

thats right. So, there is nothing like salvation you refer to above.

yes, I meant that Karma will facilitate towards liberation. Salvation is when the Soul merges with Brahman & has no separate existence,

 

[avatar]

Dear Shri avatar,

Kindly see the highlighted (by me) portions in the above. You will be able to grasp that while our actions are not controlled by someone else, you also are compelled to admit that some force somewhere is controlling us or trying to control our free will.

This is exactly what I tried to state in my post in the following words:-
we all were like puppets whose control is in some other hands.

Perhaps the use of the words 'hands' gave you the impression that I was talking of some other entity with hands to control and so on, but I believe that the the phrase "some other hands" may also be understood in a broader sense to imply control from somewhere else.

May be our friends who are good at English guide me.

Good Day,

I understand your post completely, there is no confusion. I understand my mistake. I used your words to tell that we are controlled by evil hands. Please excuse me for that. Let me humbly tell the differences between your writing and mine since I completely understand your writing and your English is excellent.

Your Writing:

We are like puppets whose control is in some other hands. We are being controlled by some other force. Please guide me if my understanding of this is wrong.

My Writing:

There is a force which is trying to control us but that force is evil. This evil force spawns from illusion. The illusion is created by Maya Dhanava, the master intellect and illusionist from Talatala. He is an illusionist and he creates materialism so that people are attached to it. Then it is easier to control people.

SB 1.15.8, Purport: The demon Maya Dānava was an inhabitant of the forest Khāṇḍava, and when the Khāṇḍava Forest was set on fire, he asked protection from Arjuna. Arjuna saved his life, and as a result of this the demon felt obliged. He reciprocated by building a wonderful assembly house for the Pāṇḍavas, which attracted the extraordinary attention of all state princes. They felt the supernatural power of the Pāṇḍavas, and thus without grudge all of them submitted and paid tributes to the Emperor. The demons possess wonderful and supernatural powers to create material wonders. But they are always disturbing elements of the society. The modern demons are the harmful material scientists who create some material wonders for disturbance in the society.

vaniquotes.org/wiki/Demon_Maya_Danava

Note: Maya Sabha was a palace of illusions, and Maaya means illusion in Sanskrit. Given Maya’s scientific and engineering abilities, I am beginning to think that the Maya Sabha was not ‘magic’ but full of hydro-mechanical illusions.

I often wonder whether Maya Danava was the ancestor of the Mayas of South America? They too, were great builders. In our stories, Maya ran away to ‘Patala’. Their culture has similarities with ours.

ancientindians.net

Today many magicians practice what they call magic is all due to tricks and technology but there is no actual magical powers involved. My opinion is totally different from yours but it is just my opinion and I do not establish with authority it is right. It is also my opinion that the Gods and Goddesses wouldn't try to control us. We go to them by our own will. One good example for illustration is the Christian Missionaries who converted people by illusion, materialism, etc. If any members feel I am wrong, they are absolutely free to believe what they suppose is real and there is no need for any members assistance. All these are based on my opinion only and there is no authority on my side to make you believe it.

Regards.

 

[prasad1]

Mr. Avatar,
Mr. Jaykey787,
is screaming at you Folks – hang on!. Maya is NOT Illusion – it is a wrong translation / understanding !!.

I do not think that message has sunk in to you. Illusion is not magic, Maya is not illusion or magic.

Please read his post#22 again

so Maya is a "transient life" in our end less Journey !!, so the suffering is real, happiness & pain are real, but it is transient. Hence Krishna says, that one should not have too much of attachment to family, kids,wife, brothers etc../ everyone of us is going through a transient life in our Journey !!

 

[C RAVI]

Good Day,

My Writing:

There is a force which is trying to control us but that force is evil. This evil force spawns from illusion. The illusion is created by Maya Dhanava, the master intellect and illusionist from Talatala. He is an illusionist and he creates materialism so that people are attached to it. Then it is easier to control people.



Today many magicians practice what they call magic is all due to tricks and technology but there is no actual magical powers involved. My opinion is totally different from yours but it is just my opinion and I do not establish with authority it is right. It is also my opinion that the Gods and Goddesses wouldn't try to control us. We go to them by our own will. One good example for illustration is the Christian Missionaries who converted people by illusion, materialism, etc. If any members feel I am wrong, they are absolutely free to believe what they suppose is real and there is no need for any members assistance. All these are based on my opinion only and there is no authority on my side to make you believe it.

Regards.

Dear Mr.Avatar,


So you believe that, the force that controls us is Evil, right?? The evil force that potently influences us all is something that makes us materialistic, pleasure seekers etc, isn't it?

So you are accepting this is what we called Maya (whether you call it Maya Dhanava from Talatala or Mayigai (a feminine tempting energy, as reflections of Brahman or whatever). Isn't it?


Unless MAYA plays in her fullest force, how can a human experience all the facets of this creation/survival and identify the TRUTH, honestly from deep within?

Why are you seeking for growth? Can't you just be happy that you could get 3 time meal, wear cloths and have shelter to sleep and protect yourself, and just have peace of mind without worrying for progress, marriage, fulfillment etc..etc?

MAYA is not evil at all. Evil are we humans who can rarely be satisfied and happy. Maya is not controlling us at all..Maya is just all pervading and is attracted in her full force only towards those tho are greedy.

Not all are greedy and not all remain greedy for ever. When one could have proper thinking and perception, composition and modulations, one can not be overwhelmed negatively by this MAYA.

Our Karma controls us without our knowledge and understanding. It operates beyond space and time and can leave us clueless. Maya leads to accumulation of Karma and Karma leads to the realization that we are under some grip, in which we are stuck.


MAYA causes Karma and Karma causes birth-death-birth cycle and that is the very basis or existence of Life on this Earth. Come over the influences of this tempting MAYA, nullify your Karma and get relived from birth-death-birth cycle. This is what Hindu spiritual philosophy emphases.


We seek the mercy of God and Goddess to help us remain unaffected by MAYA, to help us seek remedy for our Karmas and to seek wisdom to guide us towards realizations.


And now the question is, where from this MAYA came to existence? Is that beyond control and out of preview of God and Goddesses? No!!! Its not.

Everything is the Part and Parcel of Brahman and we are just puppets in some physical form and would ever be puppets until we could attain absolute realization. Free Will is there within its limitations and with such limitations it has enormous potential to put you in a place where you deserve to be placed.

 

[prasad1]

Dear Mr.Avatar,


So you believe that, the force that controls us is Evil, right?? The evil force that potently influences us all is something that makes us materialistic, pleasure seekers etc, isn't it?

So you are accepting this is what we called Maya (whether you call it Maya Dhanava from Talatala or Mayigai (a feminine tempting energy, as reflections of Brahman or whatever). Isn't it?


Unless MAYA plays in her fullest force, how can a human experience all the facets of this creation/survival and identify the TRUTH, honestly from deep within?

Why are you seeking for growth? Can't you just be happy that you could get 3 time meal, wear cloths and have shelter to sleep and protect yourself, and just have peace of mind without worrying for progress, marriage, fulfillment etc..etc?

MAYA is not evil at all. Evil are we humans who can rarely be satisfied and happy. Maya is not controlling us at all..Maya is just all pervading and is attracted in her full force only towards those tho are greedy.

Not all are greedy and not all remain greedy for ever. When one could have proper thinking and perception, composition and modulations, one can not be overwhelmed negatively by this MAYA.

Our Karma controls us without our knowledge and understanding. It operates beyond space and time and can leave us clueless. Maya leads to accumulation of Karma and Karma leads to the realization that we are under some grip, in which we are stuck.


MAYA causes Karma and Karma causes birth-death-birth cycle and that is the very basis or existence of Life on this Earth. Come over the influences of this tempting MAYA, nullify your Karma and get relived from birth-death-birth cycle. This is what Hindu spiritual philosophy emphases.


We seek the mercy of God and Goddess to help us remain unaffected by MAYA, to help us seek remedy for our Karmas and to seek wisdom to guide us towards realizations.


And now the question is, where from this MAYA came to existence? Is that beyond control and out of preview of God and Goddesses? No!!! Its not.

Everything is the Part and Parcel of Brahman and we are just puppets in some physical form and would ever be puppets until we could attain absolute realization. Free Will is there within its limitations and with such limitations it has enormous potential to put you in a place where you deserve to be placed.

Well said, may be this time it will stick.
Thanks

 

[avatar]

Maya is not controlling us at all..Maya is just all pervading and is attracted in her full force only towards those tho are greedy.

No I did not say Maya is controlling us all. Maya tries to control that's what I said.

Yes you are right it is all pervading and is attracted in her full force only towards those who are greedy.

I would not be posting or reading any further since my activity here has come to its end and I am going on with duties in my life.

FYI I am satisfied with my life without getting married or progress, that will keep me happy. But my father desperately wants me to get married, see his grandchildren so that his family lineage is not stopped and so on. So I am obliged to find progress in life. Hope you understand me.

Regards.

 

[tbs]

I am not sure if Sri Shankara used the word Maya explicitly. He called it adhyAsa which implies superimposition. mAyA was probably an offshoot of this explanation.


May be you are referring to [/FONT][/COLOR]nitya-anitya-vastu. That is not the premise of mAyA.


I dont know about salvation - if you are refering to the body part.
If you are referring to liberation, then again Sri Shankara very empethically states that Karma cannot get you the liberation - it can only facilitate and help you reach there. Also there are jIvan mukthArs who have realised this liberation. So, liberation is achieved during life


Advaita says Brahman is the only reality; the rest are mithyA.

thats right. So, there is nothing like salvation you refer to above.

hi
accordong to BRAHMA SUTRA SHANKARA BHASYA....nithyaanitya vasthu vivekaha....nityam brahman....anityam jagat....its

called ADHYAASA....its like mirage in desert.....looklike water in desert...but no water in real...it may be maya.....Maya is called

aavaranam in sanskrit too...means covered with...BRAHMA SATYAM...JAGAT MITYA....JEEVO BGRAHMAIYA NA APARAHA....

so mitya, maaya and avidya all are similar meaning in advaita.....

 

[sravna]

The job of Maya is to make sure that you feel that the physical world is the reality. If you are not certain about the physical world as a reality then you wouldn't be serious about what you do in the physical world. The real learning wouldn't happen. You need to commit a mistake to later realize that it is wrong. Then that realization becomes part of your self and you have evolved. That is the simple logic IMO.

 

[renuka]

The job of Maya is to make sure that you feel that the physical world is the reality. If you are not certain about the physical world as a reality then you wouldn't be serious about what you do in the physical world. The real learning wouldn't happen. You need to commit a mistake to later realize that it is wrong. Then that realization becomes part of your self and you have evolved. That is the simple logic IMO.

I was just wondering where Sravna is when his favorite topic is being discussed and Lo Behold he is here!

Long time no see.

 

[sravna]

I was just wondering where Sravna is when his favorite topic is being discussed and Lo Behold he is here!

Long time no see.

Some deadlines at work, so was not able to participate much.

Yes, somehow this concept of maya attracts me much. I hope to see something interesting in this thread.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

ma in Sanskrit is used as negative connotation. ya means that . can be translated as " that which is not" to brief more "that which has no real existence".

to elaborate anything which lack inherent existence.

if we analyze deeply we will find almost everything fits to the above definition .

if not for Veda , we will left without clue on the one thing which escapes from the above definition . homage to the seers for there tapas.

we will be like Buddhist and jainists struck with mayavada .

homage to the innumerable Brahmins transmitting the treasure to us.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

ma in Sanskrit is used as negative connotation. ya means that . can be translated as " that which is not" to brief more "that which has no real existence".

to elaborate anything which lack inherent existence.

if we analyze deeply we will find almost everything fits to the above definition .

if not for Veda , we will left without clue on the one thing which escapes from the above definition . homage to the seers for there tapas.

we will be like Buddhist and jainists struck with mayavada .

homage to the innumerable Brahmins transmitting the treasure to us.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

ma in Sanskrit is used as negative connotation. ya means that . can be translated as " that which is not" to brief more "that which has no real existence".

to elaborate anything which lack inherent existence.

if we analyze deeply we will find almost everything fits to the above definition .

if not for Veda , we will left without clue on the one thing which escapes from the above definition . homage to the seers for there tapas.

we will be like Buddhist and jainists struck with mayavada .

homage to the innumerable Brahmins transmitting the treasure to us.

 

[Harini Iyer]

MaYa --- Ma Ya -- That which is NOT.

But how difficult is it to experience this ? Women may Stand in front of the Mirror, after a facial and then look at their own image and say " You are Ugly "

Exactly similar to accepting that statement by oneself, it is difficult for oneself to see this world and say this does not exist.

Then how to experience the Truth the Lord Supreme Shiva ?

In SILENCE.

But how do women practise silence, given the fact that they are involved in some or the other activity

I follow it differently.

The moment I hit bed, I close my eyes, but do not doze off. I observe the silence with my mind and remain the observer.
What happens later, I do not Know. I do not remember. I wake up Fresh and fully rejuvenated