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Media Bias : Swami Jayendra Saraswati
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SANDHYAV
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interesting data. how much impact will it have on the Kanchi sankara mutt as an organization will depend on the future leadership and PR of the mutt.
they would need a new head. who should go back to the basics - simplicity poverty religion philosophy.
it would be good if they preached pan hinduism instead of narrow brahmin centred vedic religion. the need of the hour is to bring all hindus together and that means dalits too. it will be a true pan hindu only when a crowd is representative of hindu flock.
puttaparthi was good at it. jaggi is good. even ravishankar appears to be ok.
personally, i have no truck with anything of kanchi. this post is from a viewpoint of socio political unity of hindus, of which brahmins are only one part. would this happen? at this point, no indication of such.
it would be good if they preached pan hinduism instead of narrow brahmin centred vedic religion. the need of the hour is to bring all hindus together and that means dalits too. it will be a true pan hindu only when a crowd is representative of hindu flock.
puttaparthi was good at it. jaggi is good. even ravishankar appears to be ok.
personally, i have no truck with anything of kanchi. this post is from a viewpoint of socio political unity of hindus, of which brahmins are only one part. would this happen? at this point, no indication of such.
The mutt is supposed to follow the Advaitic tenets of Adi Sankara...The moment the Mutt deviates from this core, it can no longer be called as Sankara Mutt
We cannot deny that Adi Sankara's philosophy is valid even now; we should allow the Acharyas to settle down post the verdict...Let them decide ..But the Mutt needs to improve the administration and power has to be decentralized..They should be more sensitive to PR.
There are mutts for other sects too, they are powerful and are doing good job.
kanchi mutt no longer has the sword hanger over it; many sishyas I know are immensely relieved and visit the mutt regularly.
Everybody has to be everything for all is not our thinking or way of life. Every mutt has its own tradition and sampradayam.
If one who has no respect for the mutt need not go. It is as simple as that.
kanchi mutt no longer has the sword hanger over it; many sishyas I know are immensely relieved and visit the mutt regularly.
Everybody has to be everything for all is not our thinking or way of life. Every mutt has its own tradition and sampradayam.
If one who has no respect for the mutt need not go. It is as simple as that.
personally I feel you cannot breathe life into a dead duck. damage is too severe to be repaired with the existing head. it would difficult to broadbase a mutt preaching advaitha philosophy of adisankara to make it inclusive. For a broadbased initiative including all hindus one requires a new order with a modern mind to meet the needs of 21st century.none appear to be in sight. fellows likeAgnivesh, Ravishankar,jaggi vasudev have a commercial motive of pushing their own brand of meditation and yoga. once money collection come into any religeous order it is doomed to failure
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CHANDRU1849
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Advaitham is only a philosophy and not a religion, which may be accepted or ignored.
Though Adi Sankara amalgamated five different forms worships into one, Vaishnavism has gone separate
In Tamil Nadu, Karnataka and Andhra Pradesh, Vaishnavism has separate mutts with lot of Jeers for both Kalais.
Both Kanchi and Sringeri Mutts have failed to bring Vaishnavism into its fold.
Though both Kanchi and Sringeri Mutt Heads are sporting 'Vibuthi', to gain support from Smarthas and
other like minded Hindus (mostly from Saivites), they are primarily concentrating on Vaishnavite Philosophy only.
They always speak about war mongering epics like Ramanayana, Mahabaratha, Gita and never give much importance
to God loving religious texts like Peria Puranam, Thiruvasagam, Thiruvembavai and Thevaram.
They never speak about Vallalar.
Though Paramacharya was a Kannadiga and very non-controversial, Jayendra Saraswathi, despite being
a Tamilian, is not giving much importance to Tamil works, especially relating to Shiva worship. The present
head Vijayendra is a Telugu by birth.
Therefore, it is time for at least Kanchi Mutt to review its functioning thoroughly and appoint a new head
primarily from Tamil Nadu with proficiency in various languages in order to have a broad based support
from all like minded Hindus. It is also the primary duty of the Sankara Mutts to give prominence to
Saivite works, to give justification to their marks on the forehead. Wearing Vibuthi is a basic requirement of Saivite Philosophy and it was not invented by Adi Sankara.
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Well said!
sangom
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I have not yet understood what the OP data actually means, its source for the data, and the reliability of the data and data sources. It is a mottai post, to put mildly. Yet, going by your post, I still feel that Kanchi Mutt will have to stick to utter simplicity, brahmin-centred religion and social upliftment work for and among brahmins only. I say this knowingly because the origins claimed for it (the Kanchi Mutt) suddenly by Chandrasekharendra were such that the Mutt just will not sync with any idea of pan-hinduism and uplift of dalits etc.
Jaggi, Ravi, Putta are/were all self-styled godmen and they had no claim, whatsoever, to anything hoary from before christ era, though all these later entrants (Jaggi, Ravi, Putta et al) have as much doubtful credentials as the Kanchi Mutt á la Chandrasekharendra. This lack of any heavy baggage of ancient origin makes them different and free to define their objectives.
BTW, Jayendra has got himself and the Mutt into such serious crisis just because he thought of following an agenda similar to the one you now put forward—viz., pan-hindu, pan-Indian, inclusive etc.
dear sangom,
this is new news to me. i know J walked through a dalit slum. and folks who eat in the mutt are served regardless of caste. thirumavalavan of dalit panthers has eaten there and considered the food tasty
and well served.i thought it was 'other activities' as enunciated by anuradha ramanan, and also ventures to land/money and all that, caused the ensuing fight with sankararaman; as also desire to cross the kala pani.
but if J was purely a dogmatic reformer, without 'other activities' i dont think he would be in the pickle he is in right now. there is more fire to this smoke than just simple reformation.
in fact i think all mutt heads should gather and come up with a reformation casteless agenda. would be good for us as we move to the 21st century in depth. i think so.
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Nara
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Do you have anything new to say? Thanks for lower-case!!
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Nara
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Just as you have done here, giving free advice is what we all do. Unless it is mean or offensive, what is the harm? Take it or leave it. See, you are advising K to start a Matam of his own, at no cost to you, i.e. free adivse. K may take it or ignore it. Similarly, K gave some advice to Sankara Matam -- free of course -- but it was too much of a sane advice for the faithful to take seriously, and Sankara Matam is surely going to ignore it. So, why then can't you ignore as wll?
Given so many are in the mood of giving free advice, and this being the season of giving, let me share in the joy of giving by giving some free advice.
Have you heard what the new pope has been saying and doing for the last one year? If he can shake up the old order and show the door to social and economic conservatives, why can't the heads of the Brahmnical Matams also do the same? The new pope has energized a new generation of young Catholics. The hapless Brahmin youth will flock to the Jeeyars and Sankarachariyars if they do as well.
Viewing all this from a rationalist perspective, it is just as well that the heads of Brahminical Matams will never do even a fraction of what the new pope has already done, the loss of the supersitionists is a gain for us all.
19/12/2013
The mut of kanchi as well as other muts established by Adi Shankara, has is own history,culture, and traditon.
Adi Shankara himself faced lots of oppositon from the dogmatic brahmins who did not accept his philosophy and even did not come forward to perform the last rites. The mythology says that Adi Shankara himself took his mother and prayed for agni to engulf her body.
Every where religious reformers are initialy not accepted. Even jesus chirst and prophet mohamed ,gurunanak,were the victims of anti religious people.
every seer is working towards the ideal which is common to all. But the method to achieve them is diffesent.
There are lots of positive aspects of the mutt. It has expanded its origin towards social upliftment,and social cause by opening educational institute, hospitala and did not confine itself to just religious spreding. For achieing such social causs money is needed.
So i dont find any thing wrong in Sankaracharya mut collecting donation. It is beter to give for the holy cause that donat it to poltical parties.
can any one say and point out fingure that Jayendra saraswathi and vijayendra Saraswati, just live in personal luxury l
The media is sensitising the issue. The role of fanatics of other religions also contribute to this aspecst
about thol thirumavalavan, less said the better.
sathyanarayanan.
The mut of kanchi as well as other muts established by Adi Shankara, has is own history,culture, and traditon.
Adi Shankara himself faced lots of oppositon from the dogmatic brahmins who did not accept his philosophy and even did not come forward to perform the last rites. The mythology says that Adi Shankara himself took his mother and prayed for agni to engulf her body.
Every where religious reformers are initialy not accepted. Even jesus chirst and prophet mohamed ,gurunanak,were the victims of anti religious people.
every seer is working towards the ideal which is common to all. But the method to achieve them is diffesent.
There are lots of positive aspects of the mutt. It has expanded its origin towards social upliftment,and social cause by opening educational institute, hospitala and did not confine itself to just religious spreding. For achieing such social causs money is needed.
So i dont find any thing wrong in Sankaracharya mut collecting donation. It is beter to give for the holy cause that donat it to poltical parties.
can any one say and point out fingure that Jayendra saraswathi and vijayendra Saraswati, just live in personal luxury l
The media is sensitising the issue. The role of fanatics of other religions also contribute to this aspecst
about thol thirumavalavan, less said the better.
sathyanarayanan.
sangom
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dear sangom,
this is new news to me. i know J walked through a dalit slum. and folks who eat in the mutt are served regardless of caste. thirumavalavan of dalit panthers has eaten there and considered the food tasty
i thought it was 'other activities' as enunciated by anuradha ramanan, and also ventures to land/money and all that, caused the ensuing fight with sankararaman; as also desire to cross the kala pani.
but if J was purely a dogmatic reformer, without 'other activities' i dont think he would be in the pickle he is in right now. there is more fire to this smoke than just simple reformation.
Dear Kunjuppu,
You are right in some ways, but I got to know from someone who had been close to Shankararaman that he was the epitome of orthodoxy and so disliked all the non-brahminic activities including whatever you mention. Hence, even though Sankararaman is no longer there to needle, the Mutt has to keep in mind that there could be more devotees like him and having been severely bitten once, it pays good dividends to be twice shy.
I do no think this will transpire in the near future. The Mutt-followers generally have a very casteist aspect to their personality and they vicariously experience the old lost brahmin glory, exclusivity, "exceptionalism" etc., within the precincts of the Mutt. Such devotees are not few and they will utterly dislike any progressive agenda for the mutt. If any mutt launches a 'casteless agenda' it is sure to lainch many a new Sankararaman!
sangom
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Vaagmi
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1. Why should Sankara Matom and other Matoms be expected to come up with a so called reformist agenda applicable only to the brahmin community. If it is because these are Brahmin matoms, they should not bother about other castes or their claims or welfare. They should better advise the brahmins on their spiritual needs and social needs. They should rather discreetly tell the brahmins that they should maintain their distinct identity at all costs. When Christian church is ready to build temples for Hindus in Nagaland, When the Kundrakudi Adheenam contributes to Parthasarathy temple for purchase of a Ther or when the Thiruppananthaal matom contributes funds to the Thillai Natarajar temple for repairs we can think of reciprocating appropriately.
2. Considering the extent of cultural difference and differences even in the matter of religion and its tenets, the brahmin community is a separate religion and so they are a minority in India. They deserve to be declared as such and offered all the benefits that minorities are entitled to in the Constitution of India. If some one files a case for declaration of "Brahminism"(not the brahminism which Bigriver and his sympathisers talk about) as a unique and separate religion and brahmins, the followers of that religion, as minorities it may succeed.
3. We had enough of this nonsense - of people calling us supremacists et al. We would like to go separate from the Hindu religion conglomerate. Enough is enough.
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CHANDRU1849
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If you want to go separate, will you adopt any one of the Semetic Religions?
The need of the hour is reforming of Hinduism with a common code acceptable to all.
dear sangom.
i think an honest mutt head at kanchi, can give a moral leadership, for reformation. i dont think the current head or his assistant can fit the role. ofcourse many more sankararamans will arise, more so from poor tambrams. to whom the caste has been the sole stick to lean on in these times.
but it will appeal to more hindus, more youths, across castes. he should simply rituals, and enable it for all. something that is simple and 'set it for success'. not make it onerous so that folks find it more convenient to discard or skip.
otherwise, we will increasingly see more people lapsing. that is how a religion disappears..not suddenly but fades gradually, as i see what is happening to christianity in the west.
i think an honest mutt head at kanchi, can give a moral leadership, for reformation. i dont think the current head or his assistant can fit the role. ofcourse many more sankararamans will arise, more so from poor tambrams. to whom the caste has been the sole stick to lean on in these times.
but it will appeal to more hindus, more youths, across castes. he should simply rituals, and enable it for all. something that is simple and 'set it for success'. not make it onerous so that folks find it more convenient to discard or skip.
otherwise, we will increasingly see more people lapsing. that is how a religion disappears..not suddenly but fades gradually, as i see what is happening to christianity in the west.
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prasad1
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I like it Mr. K.
I think instead of being Brahmin oriented and preaching to the base, the Mutts should be Hindu oriented. They must evolve, but that can only be achieved by a dynamic leader.
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You did not get it right. What is Hinduism? Ask the Bus conductor next time when you get into a bus as to what is advaitam or visishtadvaitam or for that matter ask him what is Atma, chaitanyam etc., He will give you a hard look and ask the driver to drive the vehicle straight to the lunatic asylum to hand you over to the doctors there. so for the majority of Hindus what brahmins speak about does not make any sense. So "brahminism" is a separate religion. Why tie it down to Hinduism. Break free from those shackles. Your "brahminism" once it breaks away will be a very small minority in this country. So what? Parsis are also such a minority here. I think we had had enough from the NBs to break free. Brahminism can remain brahminism without joining any semitic religion. There is no need.
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My dear Kunjuppu,
An honest mutt head will necessarily have to restrict his activities and that will mean, if he takes on the agenda of reformation also, that he will be completely sidelined and the end up as bankrupt financially. Kindly note that even satyasai, ravishankar, jaggi, etc., have not been able to move one brick against caste; they all live under the caste but within their audience they don't make caste-based differences (only money-based treatment differences are there - money speaks even above all the vedanta and yogas!).
Hindu religion will survive because whatever the hindus do or not do, automatically defines hindu religion. Hence there is no need to worry on that count.
periodically attempts are made to reform the practice of hindu religion to make it more inclusive and bring other castes[read non brahmin,etc] into it. The sects like kanchi or iyengar orders somehow work to keep their exclusive tag as it is their USP and appeal to higher sects. even tamil schools in delhi lost their appeal for brahmins once the tamil slum kids were admitted into them and quality education ceased as unintended consequence. Now most tamil brahmins prefer convent school and number of tamil kids learning tamil as subject and knowing tamil reading and writing has dwindled. Same will happen to mutts dominated by high castes. Broadbasing will lead to exit path for brahmins
The mutts have a spiritual constitution; they have to ensure that their sampradaya, philosophy, guru parampara traditions are to be preserved. They cannot start changing the meny to noodles to whet the tastes of neo hindus. There are institutions which will meet their requirements.
There are humanist and reformist mutts available for the adventurous and confused.
Those who want a single place of refuge for all hindus have not understood sanatana dharma; they are doing a disservice to their ancestors and their timeless traditions.
There are humanist and reformist mutts available for the adventurous and confused.
Those who want a single place of refuge for all hindus have not understood sanatana dharma; they are doing a disservice to their ancestors and their timeless traditions.
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