The debate is a must if we have the become the world leader by 2050...That is what most economists are predicting..Our economy will overtake China & US to become the numero uno
-
This forum contains old posts that have been closed. New threads and replies may not be made here. Please navigate to the relevant forum to create a new thread or post a reply.
-
Welcome to Tamil Brahmins forums.
You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our Free Brahmin Community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!
If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.
No invention, earth shaking idea from India in 60 years: NR Narayana Murthy
- Thread starter vgane
- Start date
- Status
The debate is a must if we have the become the world leader by 2050...That is what most economists are predicting..Our economy will overtake China & US to become the numero uno
I was taken in by the same hype for the past few years, but now I am a bit skeptical. I am giving out my reasons serially, so that you can easily narrate to your counter points and help me to overcome my skepticism.
1. That India is expected to be a world leader by 2050, solely because we will have the highest population in the age of 20-50, the most productive category (now repeatedly referred to as "demographic dividend").
2. The upwardly mobile Indian population will have more purchasing power in view of demographic dividend and we will produce more and consume more.
3. Now in the immediate aftermath of World War II, Japan and Germany became growth engines to drive the world growth and their economies grew at a phenomenal rate. How and why could Japan and Germany propel their growth without being 20% of the world population?
4. In the 1990s to 2000s, the East Asian economies like Taiwan, Korea, Malaysia etc. became "Tiger economies* and they could grow at a very fast pace, even though none of the countries had more than 2% world population.
5. After entry of western imports into China, the western nations opened realised the good business sense of ready market available for their own products (in China) which they can pump in and in exchange they could get their (western countries) requirement from China at a fairly cheap price. The same formula they are trying to apply on India. Is it not true?
6. The three main components of India's imports are Crude Oil, Gold and Defence purchases. What would be their projected level of imports of these 3 main items by 2050, and how would those imports be met without straining our foreign exchange requirements?
7. On a lighter note, but equally valid, higher productivity per person entails job activity with higher concentration levels. In the past 10 years, it is becoming almost impossible for an average person to concentrate more because of the distraction facilities made available to him in the form of cell phone, tab, Ipad, skype, whatsapp, video games, online/internet chats and jokes,TV news, IPL matches, political intrigue etc. From your own experience, please say if you are able to read the newspaper with the same concentration that you could do about 5 years before.
If there is more interest, I would be happy to engage on this topic.
Last edited:
On a lighter note , To become a world power , with demographic dividend, the best approach is to keep quiet and let others decide what to do with our manpower.
We can hardly be ignored.
We can afford to send millions of them -unskilled,skilled over educated and swamp any country.
Let other countries decide how to use our millions of people.
we will be the gainers.
we have gained due to greek crisis,chinese downturn , lower crude prices due to iran., lower gold prices due to its entry by all means into the country
all others will drop apart. we will be the ultimate winners .
Do nothing and win. Great success mantra.
All this talk of low inflation or aspiration for higher growth is all bunkum
We are a huge consuming nation.
Our rural folks are buying mobiles, 2nd hand tvs,perfumes and many such items. They work less than 100 days a year and have freebies to support themselves
our urban brothers are not lagging behind in consumption but their tastes are a little finer and expensive.
our retired folks collect 10 percent bank interest on savings and happy with their lives .
let growth , inflation be damned .
we have lived with 10 percent inflation and 4 percent growth.
as pranab put it as finance minister we are not exactly eating eels and starving.
india will be a great nation .
Do nothing and prosper.lol
We can hardly be ignored.
We can afford to send millions of them -unskilled,skilled over educated and swamp any country.
Let other countries decide how to use our millions of people.
we will be the gainers.
we have gained due to greek crisis,chinese downturn , lower crude prices due to iran., lower gold prices due to its entry by all means into the country
all others will drop apart. we will be the ultimate winners .
Do nothing and win. Great success mantra.
All this talk of low inflation or aspiration for higher growth is all bunkum
We are a huge consuming nation.
Our rural folks are buying mobiles, 2nd hand tvs,perfumes and many such items. They work less than 100 days a year and have freebies to support themselves
our urban brothers are not lagging behind in consumption but their tastes are a little finer and expensive.
our retired folks collect 10 percent bank interest on savings and happy with their lives .
let growth , inflation be damned .
we have lived with 10 percent inflation and 4 percent growth.
as pranab put it as finance minister we are not exactly eating eels and starving.
india will be a great nation .
Do nothing and prosper.lol
Last edited:
Dear Zebra Sir,
My response in Blue Font
1. That India is expected to be a world leader by 2050, solely because we will have the highest population in the age of 20-50, the most productive category (now repeatedly referred to as "demographic dividend").
Our Demography will definitely help...But the key driver is the skill building of some 40 crore youth which will help us zip forward..Speed and Scale will complement the Skill
2. The upwardly mobile Indian population will have more purchasing power in view of demographic dividend and we will produce more and consume more.
I agree
3. Now in the immediate aftermath of World War II, Japan and Germany became growth engines to drive the world growth and their economies grew at a phenomenal rate. How and why could Japan and Germany propel their growth without being 20% of the world population?
Let us consider Japan…It was already a leader in manufacturing, machinery production, Ferrous and Non Ferrous production…Out of the 11 post war auto manufacturers, 10 were already established during the war years…The base was strong which they built it with massive loans and debts…Companies expanded fearlessly post war…It became a leader in electronics too.
Germany experienced an economic miracle post war through pro market reforms, abolishing the well entrenched cartels, labor productivity improvements without antagonizing the labor, technological advancements, currency reform and US aid..It was growing continuously by 9-10% every year in the 50’s …Breaking of trade barriers and opening of global trade facilitated the growth story..
4. In the 1990s to 2000s, the East Asian economies like Taiwan, Korea, Malaysia etc. became "Tiger economies* and they could grow at a very fast pace, even though none of the countries had more than 2% world population.
The growth is on account of neo liberal policies pursued from the 60’s..Rapid growth was achieved through thrust on exports and IT & Electronics which created the momentum..They got a 3 decade advantage over India
5. After entry of western imports into China, the western nations opened realised the good business sense of ready market available for their own products (in China) which they can pump in and in exchange they could get their (western countries) requirement from China at a fairly cheap price. The same formula they are trying to apply on India. Is it not true?
I do not think that we should base our policies by looking at the West..We need to create a strong demand for our manufactured products locally first before going for global markets. We need to catch up with China on manufacturing and we have a long way to go
6. The three main components of India's imports are Crude Oil, Gold and Defence purchases. What would be their projected level of imports of these 3 main items by 2050, and how would those imports be met without straining our foreign exchange requirements?
We need to go for renewable energies whole hog if we need to get the crude oil vortex…We have to Make in India and give a fillip to Defence localization.. View attachment the_energy_report_india.pdfthis Energy Report
As far as Gold is concerned Indian insatiable appetite for Gold is not going to reduce anytime…But we can use it as a hedge against inflation as has been our wont…
7. On a lighter note, but equally valid, higher productivity per person entails job activity with higher concentration levels. In the past 10 years, it is becoming almost impossible for an average person to concentrate more because of the distraction facilities made available to him in the form of cell phone, tab, Ipad, skype, whatsapp, video games, online/internet chats and jokes,TV news, IPL matches, political intrigue etc. From your own experience, please say if you are able to read the newspaper with the same concentration that you could do about 5 years before.
My personal opinion is that in case one has passion and will all these are not all obstructions but minor interruptions that can be actually leveraged & we can blast our way to the winning post…
If there is more interest, I would be happy to engage on this topic.
Definitely
My response in Blue Font
1. That India is expected to be a world leader by 2050, solely because we will have the highest population in the age of 20-50, the most productive category (now repeatedly referred to as "demographic dividend").
Our Demography will definitely help...But the key driver is the skill building of some 40 crore youth which will help us zip forward..Speed and Scale will complement the Skill
2. The upwardly mobile Indian population will have more purchasing power in view of demographic dividend and we will produce more and consume more.
I agree
3. Now in the immediate aftermath of World War II, Japan and Germany became growth engines to drive the world growth and their economies grew at a phenomenal rate. How and why could Japan and Germany propel their growth without being 20% of the world population?
Let us consider Japan…It was already a leader in manufacturing, machinery production, Ferrous and Non Ferrous production…Out of the 11 post war auto manufacturers, 10 were already established during the war years…The base was strong which they built it with massive loans and debts…Companies expanded fearlessly post war…It became a leader in electronics too.
Germany experienced an economic miracle post war through pro market reforms, abolishing the well entrenched cartels, labor productivity improvements without antagonizing the labor, technological advancements, currency reform and US aid..It was growing continuously by 9-10% every year in the 50’s …Breaking of trade barriers and opening of global trade facilitated the growth story..
4. In the 1990s to 2000s, the East Asian economies like Taiwan, Korea, Malaysia etc. became "Tiger economies* and they could grow at a very fast pace, even though none of the countries had more than 2% world population.
The growth is on account of neo liberal policies pursued from the 60’s..Rapid growth was achieved through thrust on exports and IT & Electronics which created the momentum..They got a 3 decade advantage over India
5. After entry of western imports into China, the western nations opened realised the good business sense of ready market available for their own products (in China) which they can pump in and in exchange they could get their (western countries) requirement from China at a fairly cheap price. The same formula they are trying to apply on India. Is it not true?
I do not think that we should base our policies by looking at the West..We need to create a strong demand for our manufactured products locally first before going for global markets. We need to catch up with China on manufacturing and we have a long way to go
6. The three main components of India's imports are Crude Oil, Gold and Defence purchases. What would be their projected level of imports of these 3 main items by 2050, and how would those imports be met without straining our foreign exchange requirements?
We need to go for renewable energies whole hog if we need to get the crude oil vortex…We have to Make in India and give a fillip to Defence localization.. View attachment the_energy_report_india.pdfthis Energy Report
As far as Gold is concerned Indian insatiable appetite for Gold is not going to reduce anytime…But we can use it as a hedge against inflation as has been our wont…
7. On a lighter note, but equally valid, higher productivity per person entails job activity with higher concentration levels. In the past 10 years, it is becoming almost impossible for an average person to concentrate more because of the distraction facilities made available to him in the form of cell phone, tab, Ipad, skype, whatsapp, video games, online/internet chats and jokes,TV news, IPL matches, political intrigue etc. From your own experience, please say if you are able to read the newspaper with the same concentration that you could do about 5 years before.
My personal opinion is that in case one has passion and will all these are not all obstructions but minor interruptions that can be actually leveraged & we can blast our way to the winning post…
If there is more interest, I would be happy to engage on this topic.
Definitely
Last edited:
Vaagmi
0
This is the full lecture delivered by Sri Narayanamurthy. I do not find anything objectionable there.
Is there one invention, one technology, one idea produced by them that has helped make the society and the world a better place, asks the Chairman Emeritus of Infosys.
Bengaluru, July 15: The full text of the 2015 Convocation Lecture delivered at the Indian Institute of Science by NR Narayana Murthy, Chairman Emeritus, Infosys Ltd, titled: How can you, the graduates of IISc, contribute towards a better India and a better world?
Dr Kasturirangan, Prof Rama Rao, Prof Anurag Kumar, my friends – Prof Balaram and Prof Ramasesha – Deans, faculty staff, guests, students, parents of the graduating student and, most Importantly, the graduating students, thank you very much for your kindness in inviting me to be part of this wonderful occasion. I am truly honoured. Congratulations to the graduating students. This is your day and have a great time.
Today, I will speak to you about a subject that is very dear to me. That is, how the students and former students of premier higher educational institutions like IISc can play an important role in making India and the world a better place. I will use he to denote both male and female.Science is about unravelling nature and engineering is about using those discoveries and inventions to make life better for human beings. IISc is at the forefront of scientific and engineering research in the country. IISc has produced students who have gone on to earn laurels in the most competitive places in the world. Your research is well cited Therefore, IISc deserves to lead in the transformation of India by using the power of science and engineering.Ideas and inventionsI was presented a book called – From Ideas to inventions: 101 gifts from MIT to the world – when I was in Cambridge Massachusetts a couple of months ago. This booklet lists the various Inventions that MIT students, alumni, faculty and former faculty have been able to make and transform this world.
Let me list out at least 10 major inventions that MIT has created in the last 50 years.1.Ivan Getting and Brad Parkinson – Global Positioning System
2.Hugh Herr – Bionic Prostheses
3.Robert Noyce – Microchip
4.Ray Tomlinson – E-mail
5.Robert Langer – Slow drug delivery and polymer scaffolds for human tissues
6.Ronald Rivest, Adi Shamir, and Leonard Adelma – RSA encryption
7.Ray Kurzweil – Text/Speech Recognition
8.Shiintaro Asano – Fax Machine
9.Andrew Viterbi – Viterbi Algorithm
10.Norbert Weiner – Cybernetlcs
These are just the 10 I have selected. These invention happened because students and faculty at MIT walked the untrodden path, asked the unasked questions, used their intellectual prowess to take huge leaps, and demonstrate unusual courage to achieve the plausibly-impossible. The story is similar at many other western institutions of higher education. It is appropriate to recall that almost all invention like cars, electric bulb, radio, television, computers, internet Hifi, music players, MRI, ultrasound scanners, refrigerators, lasers, robots and many other gadgets and technology happened, thanks to the research by Western universities. These Inventions have made our lives more comfortable, have given us better health, made our lives more productive and brought us pleasure.One invention, one technology, one idea...
On the other hand, let us pause and ask what the contributions of Indian institutions of higher learning particularly IISc and IITs, have been over the last 60-plus years to make our society and the world a better place. Is there one invention from India that has become a household name in the globe? Is there one technology that has transformed the productivity of global corporations? Is there one idea that has led to an earth-shaking invention to delight global citizens? Folks, the reality is that there is no such contribution from India in the last 60 years. The only two ideas that have transformed the productivity of global corporations – The Global Delivery Model and The 24-hour workday – came from a company called Infosys.
Yet, let us look at the problems that surround us here in India. We have the largest mass of illiterates in the world. We have the largest number of children with malnutrition. We have the poorest public health service in the world. We have the dirtiest rivers in the world. Our vehicles produce he highest carbon per vehicle in the world. We have the lowest per-capita usable water in the world. Our primary education is one of the lowest quality in the world. I can go on and on. The important thing is to recognise that this country has no shortage of problems to be solved urgently.What ls our hope? Our best hopes are youngsters like you. I do not find any difference in intellect, enthusiasm, energy and confidence between the young students at Western universities and here at IISc. Yet, when our students leave the portals of these institutions, there is not much impactful work they have accomplished in research here.
What is worse is that there is not much that they accomplish when they go into the real world here in India. This is an issue that the elders of our society – academicians, politicians, bureaucrats and corporate leaders – must debate deeply, and act urgently if we have to leave a better world for our children and grandchildren.Recreate the magicThis issue has not received the attention of our Prime Ministers since the time of Nehru. During his visit to the US in 1962, he exhorted the about-to-finish PhDs to come back to India and play a major role in creating an India that the rounding fathers of this nation wanted – an India where the poorest child in the remotest village had access to decent education, healthcare, nutrition, and shelter. The result: Green revolution, white revolution, advances in atomic energy and the space program.
Folks, we have to recreate the magic of the sixtiesHow do we recreate that magic? For that we have to recreate an environment of utmost respect for scholarship and for our Directors and faculty in the corridors of the government among bureaucrats, politicians and in our society. We have to become more open-minded in welcoming foreign intellectuals and students. We have to create opportunities for our students and faculty to spend time at well-known universities abroad. There must be free flow of ideas between our intellectuals and foreign scholars. The younger faculty must have full freedom to pursue their line of research without any hindrance.No higher educational institution can succeed unless it has good focus on research. Research thrives in an environment of curiosity, daring, teamwork and a desire to solve problem around us. Ability to define problems independently by students is an important input. It is a good idea to expose our undergraduates to research. Interactions and benchmarking with global researchers, and attending and holding international conferences would enhance the research mindset.Next, let me come to what you, the passing out students, can do to enhance the glory of IISc, become useful engineers and scientists, and make this a better country.
The first requirement is to develop an independent, inquisitive and problem solving mindset. Such minds create new ideas. Focus on learning concepts. What is learning? To me, it is the ability to extract generic inferences from specific instances, and use them to solve new and unstructured problems. After all, education is about learning to learn. You have to relate the concepts you learn in the class to understand Ideas, real life events and phenomena around you. Remember that every new problem you solve independently is a small, new discovery for you. They enhance your confidence to solve bigger problems.Second, democratisation of education is a necessary step in development and I congratulate IISc on its commitment to it. However, it is important that IISc does not lose the interest and zeal of the top ranking students in each class. Many US universities have a good system of doing this. For example in such places, the top 10% to 15% students in Compute Science are allowed to take the Honours version of basic subjects like Operating Systems, Algorithms and Data structures, Automata Theory, Databases and AI. About two to three times the syllabus of the normal version is covered in the class in the Honour versions and the examinations are set at a very high standard.You should continue the habit of reading technical books and journals even after your graduation.
I have created a library of books like George Polya's How To Solve It, VJ Arnold's Mathematical Understanding of Nature: Essay on Amazing Physical Phenomena and Their Understanding by Mathematicians, the three volumes of Feynman, and Donald Knuth's four volumes on Programming. Please create a library, read at least a few pages every day, conduct thought experiments, and apply that learning to solve problem around you.While examinations are important to benchmark your level of understanding of a subject, extreme focus on examination tends to reduce the deeper and long-term benefits of any earning. In my interactions with youngsters In India, I have noticed that they tend to forget even basics of any subject once the examinations are over. Basic concepts will have to stay with you throughout your life. You should apply them as often as you can, update them with contemporary advances, and use them in your work to understand new ideas and solve new problems.
Any worthwhile contribution to the nation is only possible if you combine your competence with professionalism. A professional is one who is dedicated to his or her profession and lives by its rules and ethics. He does not let personal relations interfere with his professional dealings. He is fair and is unbiased. He makes objective decisions based on the analysis of data. Everyone in the organisation, no matte how high or low in the hierarchy, is confident and enthusiastic in dealing with him, He works hard and makes all sacrifice necessary to make the lives of the next generation of the society better.He has high aspirations. He believes in the adage: A plausible impossibility is better than a convincing possibility. His most powerful resources are his intellect, his knowledge and his value system. He keeps his intellect sharp, constantly acquires new knowledge and conforms to his value system.While he excels as an individual, he also works in full synergy with his team. To me, the best example of teamwork is a symphony orchestra where several accomplished musician work in harmony under the direction of the conductor to produce divine music.
This is particularly crucial in today's world where large, complex projects have to be executed through outstanding teamwork.Just remember that every one of you can be successful. Success is the ability to bring smile on to the face of people when you enter a room. People smile not because you are intelligent, powerful or wealthy but because you care for them and you will use all of your competencies to make their lives better.Have fun and be happy because only a happy mind can make a positive contribution to the society.Finally, lead a life that your great alma mater will be proud of. Please show gratitude to your parents and your teacher who have carried you on their shoulders and brought you this far. God bless you all.
Is there one invention, one technology, one idea produced by them that has helped make the society and the world a better place, asks the Chairman Emeritus of Infosys.
Bengaluru, July 15: The full text of the 2015 Convocation Lecture delivered at the Indian Institute of Science by NR Narayana Murthy, Chairman Emeritus, Infosys Ltd, titled: How can you, the graduates of IISc, contribute towards a better India and a better world?
Dr Kasturirangan, Prof Rama Rao, Prof Anurag Kumar, my friends – Prof Balaram and Prof Ramasesha – Deans, faculty staff, guests, students, parents of the graduating student and, most Importantly, the graduating students, thank you very much for your kindness in inviting me to be part of this wonderful occasion. I am truly honoured. Congratulations to the graduating students. This is your day and have a great time.
Today, I will speak to you about a subject that is very dear to me. That is, how the students and former students of premier higher educational institutions like IISc can play an important role in making India and the world a better place. I will use he to denote both male and female.Science is about unravelling nature and engineering is about using those discoveries and inventions to make life better for human beings. IISc is at the forefront of scientific and engineering research in the country. IISc has produced students who have gone on to earn laurels in the most competitive places in the world. Your research is well cited Therefore, IISc deserves to lead in the transformation of India by using the power of science and engineering.Ideas and inventionsI was presented a book called – From Ideas to inventions: 101 gifts from MIT to the world – when I was in Cambridge Massachusetts a couple of months ago. This booklet lists the various Inventions that MIT students, alumni, faculty and former faculty have been able to make and transform this world.
Let me list out at least 10 major inventions that MIT has created in the last 50 years.1.Ivan Getting and Brad Parkinson – Global Positioning System
2.Hugh Herr – Bionic Prostheses
3.Robert Noyce – Microchip
4.Ray Tomlinson – E-mail
5.Robert Langer – Slow drug delivery and polymer scaffolds for human tissues
6.Ronald Rivest, Adi Shamir, and Leonard Adelma – RSA encryption
7.Ray Kurzweil – Text/Speech Recognition
8.Shiintaro Asano – Fax Machine
9.Andrew Viterbi – Viterbi Algorithm
10.Norbert Weiner – Cybernetlcs
These are just the 10 I have selected. These invention happened because students and faculty at MIT walked the untrodden path, asked the unasked questions, used their intellectual prowess to take huge leaps, and demonstrate unusual courage to achieve the plausibly-impossible. The story is similar at many other western institutions of higher education. It is appropriate to recall that almost all invention like cars, electric bulb, radio, television, computers, internet Hifi, music players, MRI, ultrasound scanners, refrigerators, lasers, robots and many other gadgets and technology happened, thanks to the research by Western universities. These Inventions have made our lives more comfortable, have given us better health, made our lives more productive and brought us pleasure.One invention, one technology, one idea...
On the other hand, let us pause and ask what the contributions of Indian institutions of higher learning particularly IISc and IITs, have been over the last 60-plus years to make our society and the world a better place. Is there one invention from India that has become a household name in the globe? Is there one technology that has transformed the productivity of global corporations? Is there one idea that has led to an earth-shaking invention to delight global citizens? Folks, the reality is that there is no such contribution from India in the last 60 years. The only two ideas that have transformed the productivity of global corporations – The Global Delivery Model and The 24-hour workday – came from a company called Infosys.
Yet, let us look at the problems that surround us here in India. We have the largest mass of illiterates in the world. We have the largest number of children with malnutrition. We have the poorest public health service in the world. We have the dirtiest rivers in the world. Our vehicles produce he highest carbon per vehicle in the world. We have the lowest per-capita usable water in the world. Our primary education is one of the lowest quality in the world. I can go on and on. The important thing is to recognise that this country has no shortage of problems to be solved urgently.What ls our hope? Our best hopes are youngsters like you. I do not find any difference in intellect, enthusiasm, energy and confidence between the young students at Western universities and here at IISc. Yet, when our students leave the portals of these institutions, there is not much impactful work they have accomplished in research here.
What is worse is that there is not much that they accomplish when they go into the real world here in India. This is an issue that the elders of our society – academicians, politicians, bureaucrats and corporate leaders – must debate deeply, and act urgently if we have to leave a better world for our children and grandchildren.Recreate the magicThis issue has not received the attention of our Prime Ministers since the time of Nehru. During his visit to the US in 1962, he exhorted the about-to-finish PhDs to come back to India and play a major role in creating an India that the rounding fathers of this nation wanted – an India where the poorest child in the remotest village had access to decent education, healthcare, nutrition, and shelter. The result: Green revolution, white revolution, advances in atomic energy and the space program.
Folks, we have to recreate the magic of the sixtiesHow do we recreate that magic? For that we have to recreate an environment of utmost respect for scholarship and for our Directors and faculty in the corridors of the government among bureaucrats, politicians and in our society. We have to become more open-minded in welcoming foreign intellectuals and students. We have to create opportunities for our students and faculty to spend time at well-known universities abroad. There must be free flow of ideas between our intellectuals and foreign scholars. The younger faculty must have full freedom to pursue their line of research without any hindrance.No higher educational institution can succeed unless it has good focus on research. Research thrives in an environment of curiosity, daring, teamwork and a desire to solve problem around us. Ability to define problems independently by students is an important input. It is a good idea to expose our undergraduates to research. Interactions and benchmarking with global researchers, and attending and holding international conferences would enhance the research mindset.Next, let me come to what you, the passing out students, can do to enhance the glory of IISc, become useful engineers and scientists, and make this a better country.
The first requirement is to develop an independent, inquisitive and problem solving mindset. Such minds create new ideas. Focus on learning concepts. What is learning? To me, it is the ability to extract generic inferences from specific instances, and use them to solve new and unstructured problems. After all, education is about learning to learn. You have to relate the concepts you learn in the class to understand Ideas, real life events and phenomena around you. Remember that every new problem you solve independently is a small, new discovery for you. They enhance your confidence to solve bigger problems.Second, democratisation of education is a necessary step in development and I congratulate IISc on its commitment to it. However, it is important that IISc does not lose the interest and zeal of the top ranking students in each class. Many US universities have a good system of doing this. For example in such places, the top 10% to 15% students in Compute Science are allowed to take the Honours version of basic subjects like Operating Systems, Algorithms and Data structures, Automata Theory, Databases and AI. About two to three times the syllabus of the normal version is covered in the class in the Honour versions and the examinations are set at a very high standard.You should continue the habit of reading technical books and journals even after your graduation.
I have created a library of books like George Polya's How To Solve It, VJ Arnold's Mathematical Understanding of Nature: Essay on Amazing Physical Phenomena and Their Understanding by Mathematicians, the three volumes of Feynman, and Donald Knuth's four volumes on Programming. Please create a library, read at least a few pages every day, conduct thought experiments, and apply that learning to solve problem around you.While examinations are important to benchmark your level of understanding of a subject, extreme focus on examination tends to reduce the deeper and long-term benefits of any earning. In my interactions with youngsters In India, I have noticed that they tend to forget even basics of any subject once the examinations are over. Basic concepts will have to stay with you throughout your life. You should apply them as often as you can, update them with contemporary advances, and use them in your work to understand new ideas and solve new problems.
Any worthwhile contribution to the nation is only possible if you combine your competence with professionalism. A professional is one who is dedicated to his or her profession and lives by its rules and ethics. He does not let personal relations interfere with his professional dealings. He is fair and is unbiased. He makes objective decisions based on the analysis of data. Everyone in the organisation, no matte how high or low in the hierarchy, is confident and enthusiastic in dealing with him, He works hard and makes all sacrifice necessary to make the lives of the next generation of the society better.He has high aspirations. He believes in the adage: A plausible impossibility is better than a convincing possibility. His most powerful resources are his intellect, his knowledge and his value system. He keeps his intellect sharp, constantly acquires new knowledge and conforms to his value system.While he excels as an individual, he also works in full synergy with his team. To me, the best example of teamwork is a symphony orchestra where several accomplished musician work in harmony under the direction of the conductor to produce divine music.
This is particularly crucial in today's world where large, complex projects have to be executed through outstanding teamwork.Just remember that every one of you can be successful. Success is the ability to bring smile on to the face of people when you enter a room. People smile not because you are intelligent, powerful or wealthy but because you care for them and you will use all of your competencies to make their lives better.Have fun and be happy because only a happy mind can make a positive contribution to the society.Finally, lead a life that your great alma mater will be proud of. Please show gratitude to your parents and your teacher who have carried you on their shoulders and brought you this far. God bless you all.
Last edited:
sangom
0
Including the much-hyped Narendra Modi government, which has as one of its mottos, the slogan "Maximum governance, minimum government.", we Indians are good only in discussions but not in action. 68 precious years have passed ever since the country got its Independence and even now our Army does not have an assault rifle of its choice, made in India! Our education system is, imo, still based on the Macaulay Minutes for producing reliable clerical staff for the (colonial kind of) government and for little else. We make the tamasha of getting our top administrators, top police officials, top level income-tax officials, etc., This steel-frame has corrupted generations of our politicians and Law Makers into looking at themselves as a kind of colonial rulers over a native population. The present government has the additional affliction of Hindutva-itis also, to compound the already pathetic position. Even Amit Shah says that Acche Din need not be expected for another 25 years!
Added to all these is the destiny of the country which does not appear to be anything very promising, Demographic Dividend or not. I have therefore very little hope of India becoming anywhere near a "world leader". On the contrary, and given the corruption levels in the country, smart foreign countries will exploit every ounze of possible natural wealth/resources for their own prosperous living and our fellows will merely be doing menial work for those powers — just as Narayanamurthy's Infosys is still doing!
Added to all these is the destiny of the country which does not appear to be anything very promising, Demographic Dividend or not. I have therefore very little hope of India becoming anywhere near a "world leader". On the contrary, and given the corruption levels in the country, smart foreign countries will exploit every ounze of possible natural wealth/resources for their own prosperous living and our fellows will merely be doing menial work for those powers — just as Narayanamurthy's Infosys is still doing!
prasad1
Active member
The self-critical charge of Infosys co-founder NR Narayana Murthy at the Indian Institute of Science (IISc) that India hasn’t done any “earth shattering” innovation in the last 60 years, and his comparison of the country’s record with that of a single institution such as the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) is great to inspire India’s young science and technology aspirants, but is utterly devoid of a sense of realism.
In fact, he himself has the answer in his subsequent problem statement: “We have the poorest public health service in the world. We have the dirtiest rivers in the world. Our vehicles produce the highest carbon per vehicle in the world. We have the lowest per-capita usable water in the world. Our primary education is one of the lowest quality in the world.”
Can a country with poorest health, dirtiest rivers, highest pollution and (one of the) poorest primary education and not enough potable water foster any ideas other than those for mere survival, let alone innovate and invent? His reference to MIT’s excellence is a great inspiration for scholarship-hunters who want to escape India’s stratosphere and innovate on American soil, but is lame as an idea because India is not America. Comparing a $ 1500 economy with a $ 53000 is nothing but hot air. More over, the fate of America’s education is not decided by a minister who doesn’t just have a proper university degree, but also has allegedly made false claims. And Americans are not busy filling re-textbooks with ideological fantasies and entrusting its top institutions with right wing fellow-travellers.
Unlike China, which had a high level of technical knowledge even a few hundred years before the industrial revolution in Europe, India’s traditional strength had never been in machinery, or hardware, but in concepts and intellect. Instead of smelting, hydraulics and spinning, India excelled in mathematical concepts with the likes of Aryabhatta, Brahmagupta and Mahadeva. In its quest to catch up with the rest of the world, China’s instinct was to reclaim its hardware past while India excelled in writing software. But China has surged ahead, integrating backward and forward, while India is stuck in quicksand.
India is not doing what China or Brazil is doing in strengthening its core competence. Both of them are avaricious in their original research and commercial products while India is fantasizing over its mythological past. Brazil makes aircraft and sells to Indian companies, while India, which claims to have mastered even interstellar travel as described in its epics, is still struggling to get its first prototype off the ground. While India is sloganeering with its “Make in India”, the Chinese are indeed making in India and contributing to the latter’s in R&D.
http://www.firstpost.com/business/n...-is-even-lower-than-brazil-china-2346118.html
In fact, he himself has the answer in his subsequent problem statement: “We have the poorest public health service in the world. We have the dirtiest rivers in the world. Our vehicles produce the highest carbon per vehicle in the world. We have the lowest per-capita usable water in the world. Our primary education is one of the lowest quality in the world.”
Can a country with poorest health, dirtiest rivers, highest pollution and (one of the) poorest primary education and not enough potable water foster any ideas other than those for mere survival, let alone innovate and invent? His reference to MIT’s excellence is a great inspiration for scholarship-hunters who want to escape India’s stratosphere and innovate on American soil, but is lame as an idea because India is not America. Comparing a $ 1500 economy with a $ 53000 is nothing but hot air. More over, the fate of America’s education is not decided by a minister who doesn’t just have a proper university degree, but also has allegedly made false claims. And Americans are not busy filling re-textbooks with ideological fantasies and entrusting its top institutions with right wing fellow-travellers.
Unlike China, which had a high level of technical knowledge even a few hundred years before the industrial revolution in Europe, India’s traditional strength had never been in machinery, or hardware, but in concepts and intellect. Instead of smelting, hydraulics and spinning, India excelled in mathematical concepts with the likes of Aryabhatta, Brahmagupta and Mahadeva. In its quest to catch up with the rest of the world, China’s instinct was to reclaim its hardware past while India excelled in writing software. But China has surged ahead, integrating backward and forward, while India is stuck in quicksand.
India is not doing what China or Brazil is doing in strengthening its core competence. Both of them are avaricious in their original research and commercial products while India is fantasizing over its mythological past. Brazil makes aircraft and sells to Indian companies, while India, which claims to have mastered even interstellar travel as described in its epics, is still struggling to get its first prototype off the ground. While India is sloganeering with its “Make in India”, the Chinese are indeed making in India and contributing to the latter’s in R&D.
http://www.firstpost.com/business/n...-is-even-lower-than-brazil-china-2346118.html
prasad1
Active member
With a great sense of trepidation I have to point out, the reason we live in the past especially mythology and epics is we don't have great present or a future. Despite the claims by many that we are a superpower or an economic giant or a young nation, on detailed inspection all these tall claims begin to falter. Even the great Mr. Modi will not be able to fix it. We are a failed society, we lost invasion after invasion got subjugated by westerns, all the while they established colony after colony all over the planet, excelled at science, among other achievements. In spite of obvious failures, instead of deep embarrassment and introspection we declared that we did it all before others with no evidence to back up the claims. If you watch the news daily the scams and brazenness of our political leaders it doesn't require you to be Sherlock Holmes to conclude that we are a banana republic, a failed state. We need start by acknowledging the reality that is staring us in the face.
http://www.firstpost.com/business/n...-is-even-lower-than-brazil-china-2346118.html
http://www.firstpost.com/business/n...-is-even-lower-than-brazil-china-2346118.html
prasad1
Active member
"The IITs probably are the hardest school in the world to get into, to the best of my knowledge," says Vinod Khosla, who got into IIT about 30 years ago.
After graduating, Khosla came to the U.S., co-founded Sun Microsystems and became one of Silicon Valley's most important venture capitalists. He's one of thousands of IIT graduates who have made it big in the U.S.
"Microsoft, Intel, PCs, Sun Microsystems -- you name it, I can't imagine a major area where Indian IIT engineers haven't played a leading role," says Khosla.
"And, of course, the American consumer and the American business in the end is the beneficiary of that."
It isn't just high tech. The head of the giant consulting firm McKinsey & Company is an IIT grad. So is the vice chairman of Citigroup and the former CEO of US Airways. Fortune 500 headhunters are always on the lookout for that IIT degree.
While some IIT grads stay and have helped build India's flourishing high-tech sector, almost two-thirds--up to 2,000 people--leave every year, most for the U.S.
"Some people would say you're subsidizing factories, which produce
largely for the higher end of the American employment market," says Rahm.
"You don't have to be crudely nationalistic to raise this question. There's a need here. There's a demand here, and these guys are simply not
available."
How many of them ever come back?
"Very small percentage, but my view is that we also have to work harder here to make it attractive for them to come back," says Murthy.
First we should stop being self critical about anything.
We should accept ourself as we are and find out our strength and capitalise on it.
We have done well in atomic energy ,space mostly on indigenous technology.
We can do well in other areas also.
We are entering areas like biotechnology.nano technology. we can find some more areas.
some of our formulations in pharma are getting international exposure.
there may be many more areas.
Why should we compare with a highly developed country and lament about ourself?
India will survive ,prosper and do well in times to come.
We should accept ourself as we are and find out our strength and capitalise on it.
We have done well in atomic energy ,space mostly on indigenous technology.
We can do well in other areas also.
We are entering areas like biotechnology.nano technology. we can find some more areas.
some of our formulations in pharma are getting international exposure.
there may be many more areas.
Why should we compare with a highly developed country and lament about ourself?
India will survive ,prosper and do well in times to come.
Vaagmi
0
I had a friend who went to IIT and came out with excellent GPA. He was very brilliant. As you state a complicated technological problem, he grasps it within minutes. He could think fast and would have at least three alternative solutions ready in minutes. That sharp he was. If he had joined a few others he could have become an entrepreneur. But he was weighed down. He was weighed down by his responsibilities to his family. He had sisters and brothers. His parents were not rich. So he had to opt for a job. He opted for it and did well in it. He is happy.
Indian society is in transition. So we will have to wait for another generation. Enterprising youngmen will be wary till then. Taking risk is different from being trigger happy/foolhardy. There is need for a cushion when you fall headfirst as the grip is lost. It is not there in many middle class families. My friend's daughter is rich today and at that age my friend was not one hundredth as rich as her. This is the reality. Nothing earth shaking can happen when the interest is to keep hearth at home glowing and keep the children going to school of your choice. You do not get the best brains to work in your labs. So our boys keep producing only papers to justify their existence and nothing earth shattering happens in our labs.
Indian society is in transition. So we will have to wait for another generation. Enterprising youngmen will be wary till then. Taking risk is different from being trigger happy/foolhardy. There is need for a cushion when you fall headfirst as the grip is lost. It is not there in many middle class families. My friend's daughter is rich today and at that age my friend was not one hundredth as rich as her. This is the reality. Nothing earth shaking can happen when the interest is to keep hearth at home glowing and keep the children going to school of your choice. You do not get the best brains to work in your labs. So our boys keep producing only papers to justify their existence and nothing earth shattering happens in our labs.
There is a lot of practical wisdom in this post.
The degree of enterprise is weighed against responsibility foisted on most. they have to make a judicious choice.
One generation always has to carry the load imposed in some cases of the previous generation. Many give up the spirit of enterprise.
Perhaps they transfer their dreams to the next generation after them and try to create conditions to facilitate their children taking risks and keep their spirit of
enterprise alive.
This is typical of thinking and behaviour of tamil brahmin parents.
Most are forced to feel proud of their childrens spirit of enterprise.lol
Murthy, wife gift Harvard $5.2 mn to publish Indian classics
He had no faith in indian writers, publishers and editorial board. The money went to Harvard.
****
Narayana Murthy funding translation of Indian classics by Harvard University Press
BANGALORE: Language will no longer be a barrier for those keen to savour the lyricism of ancient Indian poetry and prose. Later this year, English translations of five prized literary texts including some of the earliest verses penned by Indian women — Buddhist nuns writing in Pali — will be in bookstores.
These will be the first publications from the Murty Classical Library, a four-year-old project to broaden the reach of the country's literary heritage, backed by Infosys co-founder NR Narayana Murthy's family. Every year, the library in association with The Harvard University Press expects to bring out five new publications that will offer translations of works in over a dozen Indian languages.
http://articles.economictimes.india...sity-press-rohan-murty-loeb-classical-library
He had no faith in indian writers, publishers and editorial board. The money went to Harvard.
****
Narayana Murthy funding translation of Indian classics by Harvard University Press
BANGALORE: Language will no longer be a barrier for those keen to savour the lyricism of ancient Indian poetry and prose. Later this year, English translations of five prized literary texts including some of the earliest verses penned by Indian women — Buddhist nuns writing in Pali — will be in bookstores.
These will be the first publications from the Murty Classical Library, a four-year-old project to broaden the reach of the country's literary heritage, backed by Infosys co-founder NR Narayana Murthy's family. Every year, the library in association with The Harvard University Press expects to bring out five new publications that will offer translations of works in over a dozen Indian languages.
http://articles.economictimes.india...sity-press-rohan-murty-loeb-classical-library
mkrishna100
Active member
The Scientific Corruption of the DMK right from the time they came to power up to now including the 2G case is a fit case study for everyone to know how innovative we can be when it comes to corruption .
mkrishna100
Active member
mskmoorthy
Active member
Murty's library may be found here http://www.murtylibrary.com/
(Mr. Narayanamurthy's son (who got his Ph D from Harvard and a junior fellow at Harvard) is one of the main architrects)
I had posted about this library in January of 2015
http://www.tamilbrahmins.com/archive/index.php/t-21879.html
Narayanamurty has further clarified his remarks on cnbcTV18 today regarding no inventions in indian institutions.
He says he remarked that he meant only inventions and does not include innovations.
He had come across a list of top 100 inventions in academic institutions of the world including email,GPS etc and while MIT figured in lot of them ,india did not figure at
all.
Also For Projects like digital india etc contemplated by indian govt , to succeed, Govt should give a decent commercial deal for private entities to participate like MNCs
abroad do. He made an amazing statement that IT companies in india only lose money in handling Govt projects. Govt agencies do not participate to the extent
required to ensure speedy and efficient implementation.
He is sure enjoying his retirement by getting into daily controversies
He says he remarked that he meant only inventions and does not include innovations.
He had come across a list of top 100 inventions in academic institutions of the world including email,GPS etc and while MIT figured in lot of them ,india did not figure at
all.
Also For Projects like digital india etc contemplated by indian govt , to succeed, Govt should give a decent commercial deal for private entities to participate like MNCs
abroad do. He made an amazing statement that IT companies in india only lose money in handling Govt projects. Govt agencies do not participate to the extent
required to ensure speedy and efficient implementation.
He is sure enjoying his retirement by getting into daily controversies
mkrishna100
Active member
Nice Preparation for getting into Politics ( already Nandan Nilakeni has entered Politics ) or expecting to be the next People's President like Abdul Kalam .
India is generally it is believed banking on its growing manpower and indian and foreign capital to fuel its growth. Narayanamurty thinks , Inventions can give it an added advantage.
our IIT curriculam of sixties and seventies concentrated on frontier areas of technology at post graduate level not useful to india at that time.
many bright sparks had to run to US or canada to make a career and a decent living.
In my class of 25 in my discipline even at the undergraduate level in early sixties , only 6 or 7 stayed back in india.
Places like IIT kanpur set up with US support ,the outflow was higher.
The socialist order of those days did not encourage private sector,institute tie up or collaboration.
Most had to get into industries govt sector in core areas of engineering and technology with meagre salaries.
What happened later was more dismal.
Hundred of engg colleges got opened with dilution of standards and admission of students without merit on basis of reservations ,leading both to a glut and fall in
standards of engg education. They were only good enough to be employed in IT companies of Narayanamurty , premji after some retraining and they were used to
feed the foreign companies to do low level IT work which could be done by even diploma holders
Some of these have become multi millionaire industry leaders now lecturing others about the need for inventions .
our IIT curriculam of sixties and seventies concentrated on frontier areas of technology at post graduate level not useful to india at that time.
many bright sparks had to run to US or canada to make a career and a decent living.
In my class of 25 in my discipline even at the undergraduate level in early sixties , only 6 or 7 stayed back in india.
Places like IIT kanpur set up with US support ,the outflow was higher.
The socialist order of those days did not encourage private sector,institute tie up or collaboration.
Most had to get into industries govt sector in core areas of engineering and technology with meagre salaries.
What happened later was more dismal.
Hundred of engg colleges got opened with dilution of standards and admission of students without merit on basis of reservations ,leading both to a glut and fall in
standards of engg education. They were only good enough to be employed in IT companies of Narayanamurty , premji after some retraining and they were used to
feed the foreign companies to do low level IT work which could be done by even diploma holders
Some of these have become multi millionaire industry leaders now lecturing others about the need for inventions .
mkrishna100
Active member
True
Last edited:
indianassault
Active member
He is a nice man and pointing out the truth which will be hard to digest for many folks . But what does Infosys also do? The same. They hire above average aptitude people and were ahead of the pack , but now their quality is also not superior to others. I come from the INfosys stable. Its such a nice company that encourages you to innovate and perform, but ultimately its a service company and dependent on clients for its revenue, so we do what is required.
No earth shaking idea? What does he think outsourcing is.
I see just two main points of difference between Indians and Westerners and / even Chinese.
1. Lack of appetite for taking risks - The Infosys founder has himself proved this. To gain all, you have to be prepared to lose all.
2. Lack of persistence - The Chinese take the cake here. The Indians want to achieve results easily with minimum work.
Remember genius is 99% perspiration.
1. Lack of appetite for taking risks - The Infosys founder has himself proved this. To gain all, you have to be prepared to lose all.
2. Lack of persistence - The Chinese take the cake here. The Indians want to achieve results easily with minimum work.
Remember genius is 99% perspiration.
- Status
Share this page
Share this page
Latest posts
-
There are many different ways to address a father in different languages,- Latest: Padmanabhan Janakiraman
-
[Need Clarification] When to start doing Tharpanam ?
- Latest: Rajkumar Puducode Krishna
-
-
-
Latest ads
-
Free [Bride Wanted] Bride WantedLooking for Bride - Family Oriented and brought up from Cultured Family
- SRIKANT S -(Bride Wanted) (+0 /0 /-0)
- Updated:
- Expires
-
-
Free [Bride Wanted] TAMIL BRAHMIN VADAMA BRIDE WANTEDMust to be willing to relocate to Bengaluru Must be willing to accommodate joint family
- self today (+0 /0 /-0)
- Updated:
- Expires
-
Wanted [Cook Wanted] Wanted cook for Home at Gandhipuram Coimbatore. Decent Salary offeredHi, we need a female Brahmin cook for home ( 5 members family) at Coimbatore. Morning and...
- gchitra (+0 /0 /-0)
- Updated:
-
Wanted [Cook Wanted] Vegetarian tamil cookBangalore Bannerghatta Main road
- nschander (+0 /0 /-0)
- Updated:
- Expires