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NRIs and the duplicity of life

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http://www.theindiansabroad.com/2010/07/nris-and-the-duplicity-of-life/

NRIs often have a complete role reversal in their adopted countries, compared to their perceived status back home in India. Unlike everyone looking up to them in India, they are often looked down in the land abroad.

If you think about it, the NRIs, especially the first generation NRIs, sacrifice a lot to succeed in the foreign country, including their pride, social stature and their social identity. They have to re-adjust to the role of a minority, they often have to adapt to the rules and customs of the new land and that is just the beginning. The hurdles and challenges that a new comer faces are way too many. Overtime, the NRIs often lose their language; their own way of life is compromised and they end up adapting to the foreign life-style. The whole adaptation happens so slowly – over the years, that NRIs don’t even realize the slow self-change in many cases, the slow changes over the decades of life abroad.

Life is a funny thing.It always looks different when you look back at the past, versus looking at the present. Perhaps going abroad was the right decision at that time. Perhaps, many of us did not have any better choice when we first left the homeland, long time ago. Or perhaps, most of us never thought that we were leaving our country for good. When we first start the journey, most of us may have never realized that we are permanently leaving behind so much. When we first go abroad, we all make a self-promise to return home, and yet rarely keep the promise

For some monetary gains, for a dream of prosperity and a perceived better life, most of the NRIs have lost a lot, many have sacrificed too much. The sad part – most of us don’t even realize it, don’t even think about it. All along, over the years as times goes on, something called ‘life’ happens – a new life with new friends, and in the new society in the new land.
 
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Pl desist from any personal attacks. Any such attack willbe met with the most vicious personal attack back!.Spare yourself the agony.

If you have rational counter arguments, please by allmeans post it., otherwise, just skip the thread & move on!
 
Dear JK,

You make it sound as if life of an NRI in the US is like Slow Poison that slowly damages the system in minute doses.

Something must have happened to you yaar...I will repeat again and again non stop..that once upon a time it was you who said that TBs do not need Tamil Nadu..they can head to US and work there and have one leg in India and one leg in US.


So I ask you again and again..what happened to you that you are launching a Jihad against NRI's of the US?

What are you actually trying to project?

May be if you could share what is in your mind some of us here might actually understand your cerebral turmoil.

In fact I am starting to feel sad for you after reading your avalanche of caustic posts.
 
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Moral of the story is -Do not be adventurous and be first generation NRI

be a second generation NRI.

You will not miss tamilnadu.

My parents were adventurous.

They settled in delhi in late twenties.

They could not return to tamilnadu

We are second generation and luckier.

We are born and brought up here .

we do not miss tamilnadu and most happy to be here

the next generation always reaps the benefits of older generations actions.

why should anyway return to an impoverished tamilnadu and be a discriminated brahmin.

rather be a NRI or indian elsewhere in india where we can live a decent life and be happy.

there are enough brahmins in tamilnadu to uphold the brahmin culture and way of life.

no one is missing the brahmins outside tamilnadu.
 
Biswa,

Unfortunately no choice, otherwise this thread will become a - to & fro personal attack!. some people just cannot separate the "content" and the "poster" & respond!!

Cheers,
 
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Neither is anyone in TN bothered about the NRIs now. those days are long gone :) Indians have a resurgence in their country, pride in themselves, & they don't care about the glorification of the west by the super loyal NRIs! this is a great turn of events for India & TN, they can in years to come put to rest the inferiority complex they have been suffering from the colonial days!
 
Hi Renuka JI –

I am going to try again to bring you back to the topic!.I am not the issue here, you can assume anything you want, you can think whatever you want about the intent of my posts in your cerebral turmoil – LOL ! You may be going through a lot of cerebral turmoil, do not assume others are!. LOL !

If you can counter the “content” of the OP, please do. You can even critique it as much as you want since you are an NRI.

Of course, please do not launch personal attacks, then I will be forced to respond. Lets keep the conversation civil :)

Cheers,
 
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all that about not being bothered about NRIs is fine.

In Tamilnadu , brahmins are second class citizen. how can you put up with it?

education in state institutions and govt jobs are mostly denied to you.

the great turn of events and resurgence is leaving brahmins far behind others in tamilnadu.

It would be better to introspect and look at the deal that you are getting in tamilnadu.lol
 
all that about not being bothered about NRIs is fine.

In Tamilnadu , brahmins are second class citizen. how can you put up with it?

education in state institutions and govt jobs are mostly denied to you.

the great turn of events and resurgence is leaving brahmins far behind others in tamilnadu.

It would be better to introspect and look at the deal that you are getting in tamilnadu.lol
hi

these threads are just poking for NRI....nothing else....this is an attitude like this,,,,im in the well.....better i make more ppl

into the well rather than helping them to come out.....so just read and keep quiet...no more comments..
 
Are you living in Chennai or TN ? when we Brahmins in TN are not worried, what is your extra-concern?. Delhi has enough problems & has become the rape capital, it is terrible situation & needs to be resolved immediately!!. Brahmins in TN are the most sought after by south, north, east, west, & west - LOL !!. so no need to worry about us!!
 
. You can even critique it as much as you want since you are an NRI.

LOL!

Who told you I am an NRI?

The definition of an NRI is :

  1. A non-resident Indian (NRI) (Hindi: प्रवासी भारतीय, Pravāsī Bhāratīya) is a citizen of India who holds an Indian passport and has temporarily emigrated to another country for six months or more for employment, residence, education or any other purpose.


My dear Jaykay,


I am a Msian citizen..born and brought up here and also hold a Msian passport.
 
Isee some fear here!LOL

Worry not..I wont attack you.

No, Indians no longer fear the NRI – LOL – those days are long gone – sayonara indeed !! I know you have nothing to say to counter the posts, hence you are itching to take on the “poster” as always - LOL !! I know you desperately want to de-rail this thread like you do always (your other NRI friends are counting on you for this) – LOL !!!!! I know you are trying your best to draw me in to a personal fight – LOL !! I pity you….

I am just trying to spare you from my vicious personal counter attack (make no mistake I will) specially since you are a lady – LOL!! That’s why I said, lets avoid personal attacks in the earlier topic on racism when you tried to do the same thing.

Listen – I know these posts on racism & NRI’s are very discomforting for you, you feel the need to show solidarity to the foreigners since you are living with them. However I am not posting this to rub you all, Indians in India need to know that all is not well in the so called NRI lifestyle. Indians in India need to learn to be proud of themselves, & know that we can call the whites as junk whites, there is no need to fear to call them names… I mean whites have been calling us names for centuries now, so we can too call them names…. I am trying to get people to stand up & fight back…

Hence this thread is not about you, not for you, LOL,

However if you are itching for some personal fight, please bring it on!! LOL !
 
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Are you living in Chennai or TN ? when we Brahmins in TN are not worried, what is your extra-concern?. Delhi has enough problems & has become the rape capital, it is terrible situation & needs to be resolved immediately!!. Brahmins in TN are the most sought after by south, north, east, west, & west - LOL !!. so no need to worry about us!!
nobody will rape a senior citizen in late sixties ,lol

We will seek TN brahmins like the honourable member to give thier outpourings on this subject quoting the scriptures.

They are normally sought after in south indian temples here .

we have terrible shortage of vadhyars of srivaishnavite kind.

they can make a killing in wedding season here.

there is also a great demand for idli , dosa with sambar.many north indians love it.

there are openings for brahmin cooks also here .

some occupation for tamil brahmins still open for brahmins of the poorer kind
 
I am just trying to spare you from my vicious personal counter attack (make no mistake I will) specially since you are a lady – LOL!!

However if you are itching for some personal fight, please bring it on!! LOL !

LOL!


I believe in gender equality..I do not hide behind the veil of being a lady.

In fact I dislike the word LADY...it indirectly imposes certain code and conduct for a woman.

So I prefer to use the word FEMALE cos that is raw, original and wild.


I am not having urticaria for a personal fight....I am just voicing my opinion here.

But if you desire a fight let me know..we can work out a plan to keep each other happy!LOL
 
For a moment, I read "personal counter attack" as "personal encounter". Renukaji please hope that JK does not get a Msian visa!
 
JK, if you are not an NRI yourself, why do you care about the supposed miserable plight of the NRIs?

They can make their own life, is it not?
 
For a moment, I read "personal counter attack" as "personal encounter". Renukaji please hope that JK does not get a Msian visa!


Fear not...

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Moral of the story is -Do not be adventurous and be first generation NRI
be a second generation NRI.You will not miss tamilnadu.
My parents were adventurous.They settled in delhi in late twenties.
They could not return to tamilnadu. We are second generation and luckier.
We are born and brought up here .we do not miss tamilnadu and most happy to be here
the next generation always reaps the benefits of older generations actions.
why should anyway return to an impoverished tamilnadu and be a discriminated brahmin.
rather be a NRI or indian elsewhere in india where we can live a decent life and be happy.
there are enough brahmins in tamilnadu to uphold the brahmin culture and way of life.
no one is missing the brahmins outside tamilnadu.


Though JK is strong in his views about the NRIs there is a lot of truth in them.

The first generation NRIs are just that -Indians. They had the best of both the worlds. The culture and values picked up in this wonderful country with its age old wisdom, its most beautiful languages, its fertile lands, its multiple religious faiths including a strong school of atheistic thoughts, the sunny climate, its unique temples and idol worshiping staunch bhakti etc., have all been internalized by them in their formative years of life. They can never jettison all that. They can have a re-look at it, become critical of it, accept a few of them, harangue and lecture against a few others and try to forget a few others. But they can never wipe it out completely from their consciousness. The children of these NRIs are only namesakes. They have inherited nothing but the blood and genes from their parents. Those children who were carefully sent to India for education after their 5th class might have become again the quintessential Indians, but others who grew up in their country of living have nothing to call themselves Indians except the physical features and the genes.

Coming to the nostalgia-or the missing of Tamilnadu- the first generation may have it if they have a sensitive mind and they may not have it if they are given to wide eyed wondering at the western licentious culture and its trappings. To go out of the country or State of TN, no adventurous spirit is needed. It is not like the Anglo-Saxon British youngster or the Matador- Spaniard who went looking for adventure and thrill in the wild wild west when American continent was discovered by Columbus. They went not to return: they went to fight and die or live: they went looking for wild experiences in the wild west of America, where new railroads were being laid in virgin forests and deserts. Whereas our local TBs went to America after understanding the comforts and opportunities that are there in the societies of Europe and US or Australia. If they had known that they may stop one of the many flying bullets for no fault of them, they would never have ventured out. Similarly those who went to Delhi, Bombay and Calcutta were people (who had nothing to fall back in their villages for a living) who had equipped themselves with a typewriting/shorthand qualification which was a sure passport for an entry level babu's job in those places. There was no thrill or pain. They even had someone from their distant relative's family or from the same village waiting at the Railway station at the destination to carefully receive them and take them home for a temporary stay(later he will move to a "lodge"). The logic was that the poor youngman does not know the local language and may be cheated by the notorious jongawallahs or taximen. Thus they invariably ended up in the TB predominent safe Matungas, Chemburs, Dombivlis, Sions, Dharavis, Lake areas etc., of Bombay, Calcutta etc., Where was the adventure in this? If this is to be called adventure, it is just laughable adventure.

These NRIs as well TBs in other states could have never forgotten TN. They would have suffered nostalgia if they were at a level at which they could be sensitive people. if they were not it is not the loss or fault of the community in TN. "Good riddance" would be the most appropriate and cryptic conclusion to be reached about these worthies..

These worthies can never miss TN because they do not know TN. TN is not an impoverished state. This wrong perception reveals how poorly informed the member is. TN is one of the rich states of India. It is one of those states which do well industrially, education wise, health wise, natural wealth wise, etc.;, etc., TN is far ahead of Delhi in human development index. You do not hear stories of girls getting gangraped every other day. Delhi, but for the National Capital Region, is a huge mess of a slum. Its work culture is horrible with Babus reluctantly going to office in the morning much later than the stipulated time and scurrying home much earlier in the evening. The crowd there is such that you will have more than 60% of the people in any public place-theatre, market, shopping mall or funeral procession-Govt. Babus. The culture is one of over powering laid back laziness coupled with an elephant size babuji ego inside every person. Those who are lucky to stay back in TN making a living here are the luckiest. They work hard in a hostile society (because of the casteist hatred- selling by politiicians) and make a living. They send their brilliant children to US and Europe to become the "First Generation NRI"s. LOL. It is a different matter that these First Generation that went away never send their Second Generation to India for education and upbringing and thus lose their unique inheritance for ever.

post #10.
all that about not being bothered about NRIs is fine.
In Tamilnadu , brahmins are second class citizen. how can you put up with it?
education in state institutions and govt jobs are mostly denied to you.
the great turn of events and resurgence is leaving brahmins far behind others in tamilnadu.
It would be better to introspect and look at the deal that you are getting in tamilnadu.lol


We are putting up with it and are coming out with success. We are great survivors. Education in Colleges, jobs etc., are denied to you in Delhi, UP, Andhra, Maharashtra, Karnataka, Gujarat, MP etc., also on the basis of caste and quota. So what is the big deal? From the distance, your knowledge about the living conditions in TN are far from reality. Even in spite of the quota and palpable envy and hatred, Brahmins still do well. In Tamilnadu you can not ignore brahmins when you speak about Industries and business, sports, art, cinema, middle class, doctors of repute, culture, teachers, academic institutions of repute, leadership in Army etc., You can not forget them even while speaking about the heavy attrition in the street fight that is going on in the IPL and ICC domain. LOL. (there is a never-say- die brahmin, driven to a corner, fighting a spirited battle against heavy odds. LOL).

So krishji, next time when you visit TN, stay back and try to go deep into these issues to understand what is really happening here. And do not jump to advise us. We know better than you. LOL.
 
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JK,if you are not an NRI yourself, why do you care about the supposed miserableplight of the NRIs?

They can make their own life, is it not?

Biswa – Why not? Agree, the NRIs can manage their own life, but what about the innocent millions of Indian kids who are thinking of migrating abroad. Should the Indians in India not know that life abroad has its pros & cons. So why should we not discuss this in an Indian forum??

I am not posting in an NRI forum, so why should there be any objection or issue?
 
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No one is migrating from South to North least of all to Delhi for a job !

On the contrary there is a flood of North Indians to South cities. In Chennai, you cannot find a local cook, all are UP or Biharis –cooking south Indian food. All construction workers are from North. They are going to smaller towns in TN, Karnataka & Kerala – so no TB is looking fora Job in Delhi !! However if you need a job for yourself or your relatives, let me/us know.. some cook positions are open here! LOL !
 
not hearing too much about NRIs talking about their guilt or nostalgia :). high time they stepped in and beat their breasts!! ;)

re migration to delhi, it is still there in large numbers. check out the central govt offices. lots of tamilians - except none of them are brahmins. :)
 
when the entire Delhi has landed in south with their black money pushing the land prices up, why will anyone go to delhi from south????? wasn't the delhi person in this forum saying some time back that he is buying land in Bangalore.... maybe some rejects here (none of us know) are taking some central govt jobs out of desperation. The so called Delhites who are in South, they refuse to go back saying - "baap re baap, after having lived here, we can never ever imagine going back to delhi" LOL !!
 
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