Opposition targets Ramdev over ayurveda product 'promising male child'

[prasad1]

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Opposition members in Rajya Sabha on Thursday sought a ban on a purported ayurveda product by yoga guru Ramdev's Divya Pharmacy that promises a male child.

Calling the product illegal and unconstitutional, the opposition members sought stringent action against the manufacturers.

When the House met for the day, KC Tyagi of JD(U) showed a packet called 'Putrajeevak Beej', which he claimed to have bought from Divya Pharmacy that promised the delivery of a male child.

He also displayed a copy of the purchase receipt dated April 14 and said sale of such products by "the brand ambassador of Haryana" was illegal and unconstitutional.

Several opposition members joined in condemning sale of such products and demanded action.

Deputy chairman PJ Kurien said sex selection by a medicine or even pre-natal sex determination was against the law and the Constitution, but the Chair cannot do anything about it.

Opposition targets Ramdev over ayurveda product 'promising male child' - The Times of India


Sarangji and other RSS supporters will be up in arms, It is not intended as an anti-bjp post. It is immoral, illegal and downright wrong to sell so called remedies without proper testing, that too by "Baba" Ramdev.

 

[vgane]

Baba Ramdev pulls up MP's for false accusation!

A day after the Opposition in the Rajya Sabha called for action against his ayurvedic pharmacy for promoting a son-guaranteeing medicine, Yoga guru Baba Ramdev on Friday accused the parliamentarians of mocking Ayurveda – either due to ill-intention or misinformation – and using a “fakir” (mendicant) to target the ‘wazir’ (prime minister).
Soon after the Opposition raised the issue in the Rajya Sabha on Thursday, Baba Ramdev had tweeted that ‘Putrajivak’ is a “classical ayurvedic name and deals with infertility issues, not gender-selection” as alleged. Following the controversy, the pharmacy has decided to explain the product on the packet so that there is no misunderstanding over its use. Briefing media persons, he said, “It is very unfortunate to see misinformed and/or ill-intentioned parliamentarians mocking Ayurveda tradition in Parliament”.
He also demanded that K. C. Tyagi – the Janata Dal (United) MP who first raised the issue – and others apologise to Parliament and the people of India for mocking Ayurveda. “I urge K. C. Tyagi and others to raise people-centric issues in Parliament rather than engaging in sensationalism and spreading rumours.
Using a ‘fakir’ like me, attempts are being made to malign the name of ‘wazir’,” he said, adding that the lesson from this entire “baseless” controversy is that the MPs should learn Sanskrit. “They have become very ‘angrez’ (anglicised) after studying English.”
On his silence on the black money issue ever since the Modi Government has come to power, the Yoga guru said he had not given up that agenda but was holding fire only to give the new dispensation time to address the problem.

Baba Ramdev accuses parliamentarians of mocking Ayurveda - The Hindu

 

[prasad1]

JD (U) leader KC Tyagi on Friday said that instead of demanding apology, Yoga Guru Ramdev should apologize to the country for misleading consumers by selling an ayurvedic medicine named "Putrajeevak Beej," which literally translates to "the seed that gives life to a son." The opposition today sought to embarrass the ruling BJP in Parliament by linking it to Ramdev, whose pharmacy they alleged sells the ayurvedic concoction. Defending himself, Ramdev had said that the botanical name of the medicine is 'Putranjiva roxburghii' and it is called 'Putrajivak' in Hindi, Gujarati, Kannada and many other languages and has nothing to do with its literal meaning.

If this medicine is what it claims to be, do we need fertility clinics? Are they selling faith or medicine? Why is no clinical study done and published in peer review magazines. India can become very rich selling this medicine (?) worldwide instead of lining Babaji's pocket with snakeoil profitts from gullible.

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

JD (U) leader KC Tyagi on Friday said that instead of demanding apology, Yoga Guru Ramdev should apologize to the country for misleading consumers by selling an ayurvedic medicine named "Putrajeevak Beej," which literally translates to "the seed that gives life to a son." The opposition today sought to embarrass the ruling BJP in Parliament by linking it to Ramdev, whose pharmacy they alleged sells the ayurvedic concoction. Defending himself, Ramdev had said that the botanical name of the medicine is 'Putranjiva roxburghii' and it is called 'Putrajivak' in Hindi, Gujarati, Kannada and many other languages and has nothing to do with its literal meaning.

If this medicine is what it claims to be, do we need fertility clinics? Are they selling faith or medicine? Why is no clinical study done and published in peer review magazines. India can become very rich selling this medicine (?) worldwide instead of lining Babaji's pocket with snakeoil profitts from gullible.

We have faith in many such Putrjeevak stories! Even Rama was born after an Uthrani of Paayasam swallowed by Kousalya - Now Ramdev is offering similar product in herbal avatar! Ramdev is selling the faith we have in Rama Avatar!! Hare Rama Hare Rama Hare Rama Hara harey!

 

[renuka]

The word Putra when used in certain specific context just means Progeny(child) without only meaning a male.

In Sanskrit Masculine words are also used to include both genders.

For example Pitr can mean Father but when used in context of Pitruh Karyam it means Ancestors both male and female included.

Even when used in dual..for example Putrau means two sons.
Putrau is also used to denote a situation of one son and one daughter.


So the usage of the word "Putrajeevak Beej," since used in context of medicinal purposes just means "the seed that gives life for a child." .


I wonder why all the fuss for this?

So many people know Sanskrit in India...why no one giving a detail grammar explanation?

 

[prasad1]

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We have faith in many such Putrjeevak stories! Even Rama was born after an Uthrani of Paayasam swallowed by Kousalya - Now Ramdev is offering similar product in herbal avatar! Ramdev is selling the faith we have in Rama Avatar!! Hare Rama Hare Rama Hare Rama Hara harey!

We are still in GD section.
Do we really want to go to mythology? Ware they selling faith in Mahabharata or was Vyasa who fathered the kids.
You can tell stories, but in science (medicine happens to be one) you need much more proof than just faith.

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

We are still in GD section.
Do we really want to go to mythology? Ware they selling faith in Mahabharata or was Vyasa who fathered the kids.
You can tell stories, but in science (medicine happens to be one) you need much more proof than just faith.

I agree Faith with reason is questionable They are stories cannot reasonably proved .

 

[CHANDRU1849]

We are still in GD section.
Do we really want to go to mythology? Ware they selling faith in Mahabharata or was Vyasa who fathered the kids.
You can tell stories, but in science (medicine happens to be one) you need much more proof than just faith.

In GD section, we need not give much importance to epics like Ramayana and Mahabharatha. The same can be reversed if it is in Religious Section. Good logic.

 

[sarang]

If this medicine is what it claims to be, do we need fertility clinics? Are they selling faith or medicine? Why is no clinical study done and published in peer review magazines. India can become very rich selling this medicine (?) worldwide instead of lining Babaji's pocket with snakeoil profitts from gullible.

Anger ennui and jealousy pouring out in profusion!

1. Allopathic medicines are formulations of diverse chemicals, have no history or background, are toxic and have serious side effects. Hence clinical trials and validation are necessary.
2. Field trials are not necessary for traditional medicines which follow ancient texts and practices. Not only idiotic but silly joke to get field trials published in international journals after peer review, since the pharmaceutical industry is now scared of native medicine and will sink to any low level to malign the papers. By the way, not sure whether ginsing went for elaborate field study. Of course the pharma companies can do their own field trials surreptitiously to malign an ayurvedic medicine, if they want. And they will be exposed.
3. The concerned ministry is in the job of establishing guidelines for ensuring quality.
4. This may come as a surprise, since in the last year, patanjily products had grown considerably due to the patronage of foreigners and indians residing abroad. Food or mooligai for thought.

 

[sarang]

If tyagi is so concerned he should have filed a complaint and initiated legal proceedings against ramdev. He knows that his accusation will not stand in law, and wants the security of loksabha against legal action outside. The stupid communist leader brinda karat made a similar accusation of use of human bones in some mediciens and cut a sorry figure.

Tyagi will not do anything outside, because his son is the sole dealer for hindustan unilever. Lever is losing its market share in cosmetic products as patanjali cosmetic products made with natural ingredients is eating into their core areas.

If tyagi's complaint is about the name, then there are enough scholars to disprove his stupid claim. If his complaint is about the 'fertility' them he has a big battle in his hands. Will he dare?

 

[sarang]

Sarangji and other RSS supporters will be up in arms, It is not intended as an anti-bjp post. It is immoral, illegal and downright wrong to sell so called remedies without proper testing, that too by "Baba" Ramdev.

This verbal diarrhea need no response.

 

[sarang]

From the ministry of ayush.

Is there any regulation for manufacturing Ayurvedic Medicines?


Yes, there exists such a regulation bywhich commercial manufacturing of Ayurvedic medicines is regulated. Manufacturers have to take prior license from the State Drug Controlling Authority for running an Ayurvedic Pharmacy. Formulations whether classical or patent proprietary have to be got cleared from the competent authority before starting commercial manufacturing.

 

[sarang]

Joke in circulation:

Crocin is not for crow.

Ashwa gandhi does not contain horse nor sarpagandhi a serpent.

The list is big and growing every day.

 

[sarang]

Opportunity of a lifetime to complain to US authorities for banning ramdev's ayurvedic products, putrajivika included and become rich, leaving baba ramdev in relative pecuniary pathal!.

If this medicine is what it claims to be, do we need fertility clinics? Are they selling faith or medicine? Why is no clinical study done and published in peer review magazines. India can become very rich selling this medicine (?) worldwide instead of lining Babaji's pocket with snakeoil profitts from gullible.

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Joke in circulation:

Crocin is not for crow.

Ashwa gandhi does not contain horse nor sarpagandhi a serpent.

The list is big and growing every day.

True Mysore Bonda doesnot contain Mysore!

Aama Vadai is not for aamai! The list is big and growing every day!

Some.e of the allopathic medicine like Crocin are prescribed to animals as well! My Vet. suggested crocin syrup for my pet dog Sonu when she was down with fever! If it can be given to dogs It might as well be given to crow if it consults a vet for Fever!

Is Ayrvedha for Men (like Putra it is gender Neutral) only or does it have a vetarnary division also?

 

[vgane]

I think Dr Renukaji has clarified the basis...Let us not fight over this...Persons like Tyagi will not be ready to hear as their ears are shut to listen to logic

 

[renuka]

I think Dr Renukaji has clarified the basis...Let us not fight over this...Persons like Tyagi will not be ready to hear as their ears are shut to listen to logic

dear Vgane ji,

A more simple example about the usage of the word Putra meaning child can be seen in horoscope match where the word Putra Bhagyam is used.

Everyone accepts the fact the Putra Bhagyam means ability to have children and the word Putra here does not mean only male child.

 

[renuka]

I recently attended a medical seminar for infertility where a herbal supplement was suggested to boost sperm counts and it had evidence based case studies done.

I wonder why the hostility when it comes to using herbal supplements?

Even mainstream medicine uses herbs in some medication..the famous Thymol gargle that is prescribed by ENT doc is made from Thyme seeds better known a Omum in Tamil.

Some laxatives given by doctors contain the herb Senna which is known to have laxative effects.

Prospan cough syrup prescribed by even Pediatricians contain Ivy Extract.

The list can go on and on.

 

[Vaagmi]

I recently attended a medical seminar for infertility where a herbal supplement was suggested to boost sperm counts and it had evidence based case studies done.

I wonder why the hostility when it comes to using herbal supplements?

Even mainstream medicine uses herbs in some medication..the famous Thymol gargle that is prescribed by ENT doc is made from Thyme seeds better known a Omum in Tamil.

Some laxatives given by doctors contain the herb Senna which is known to have laxative effects.

Prospan cough syrup prescribed by even Pediatricians contain Ivy Extract.

The list can go on and on.

Herbal medicines usually have heavy metals content in high proportions and that is the reason why doctors advise their patients not to use them for long. Heavy metals can be harmful to the organs and the system in general.

One of the fifty odd shades. LOL.

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Digitalis extracts were the drugs of choice for congestive cardiac failure for decades Even today they are used in Atrial fibrillation They have direct action on the heart muscle Strengthens Systole Lenthens diastole and also a diuretic effect They are extract of the plant foxglove - Diitalis lanata and Rubra!

Digoxin is being replaced by newer drugs including beta blockers, angiotensin-converting enzyme inhibitors, and the calcium channel blocking agents. As new pharmacotherapeutic agents arise, the use of digitalis preparations will continue to decline. There are also other commercial uses for Digitalis lanata other than heart conditions.

 

[prasad1]

Herbal medicines usually have heavy metals content in high proportions and that is the reason why doctors advise their patients not to use them for long. Heavy metals can be harmful to the organs and the system in general.

One of the fifty odd shades. LOL.

I agree with the post.
The story about contamination of ayurvedic supplements concerns an analysis of products bought online. Researchers from Boston University School of Medicine found that nearly 21 percent of the ayurvedic herbal supplements they purchased via the internet contained lead, mercury or arsenic that exceeded acceptable standards. The supplements were produced in India and the United States and sold through U.S. Web sites.
Unfortunately, no one knows if anyone has been harmed by ayurvedic supplements. The study's authors noted more than 80 known cases of poisoning had been reported worldwide since 1978, but the lead investigator, Robert B. Saper, M.D., was quoted as saying that number may be just the tip of the iceberg. In 2005 alone, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported 12 cases of lead poisoning associated with ayurvedic products.
Dr. Saper noted that even low levels of lead can cause problems. You could feel fine, but the lead could be affecting your cognitive function and raising your blood pressure. Physical symptoms of lead poisoning include abdominal pain, lethargy and constipation. I would be even more worried about mercury.
Manufacturers of ayurvedic products and managers of spas that recommend and sell supplements were quoted by The New York Times as downplaying the dangers and insisting that their products are safe, even though some had been found to contain high levels of the metals.
Are Ayurvedic Supplements Dangerous? - Dr. Weil

Even more there is no scientific study is conducted about effectiveness of any of the herbal medicine in chronic cases or for that matter in this case of childbearing.
Just because it may not cause any side effects (?), but it may not add any value to the treatment.

 

[prasad1]

You've likely seen the vast array of herbal remedies that line the shelves of pharmacies and health food stores. Most people believe that herbal remedies or other products that are labeled as "natural" are completely safe and effective. Herbal remedies have been around for centuries. But some, even those that are advertised as "natural," can potentially have powerful, drug-like effects in your body.

The shelves of your local supermarket and drugstore are probably brimming over with a bewildering array of dietary supplements and herbal remedies. Many are advertised to have benefits that will improve your sex life, your memory or your figure.
But how real are these claims? And how safe are the ingredients in these supplements?
According to many industry experts, the problems with herbal supplements are just beginning to be understood.
"One out of four has some sort of problem," said Dr. Tod Cooperman, physician and president of ConsumerLab.com, an independent laboratory that tests dietary supplements. "People should keep that in mind."

How Safe Are Herbal Supplements? - ABC News

 

[prasad1]

I recently attended a medical seminar for infertility where a herbal supplement was suggested to boost sperm counts and it had evidence based case studies done.

To most of us on this site your opinion matters. Are you the final word on effectiveness of drugs and supplements?.
Is this post of yours as an authority on medicine or as Renukaji the individual?

Clearly, not all herbal supplements are alike. Some are “pretty simple and straightforward,” as Dr. Cooke points out, “and if they don’t work it’s no big deal, like mint tea.” Consumers need to use sound judgment about what supplements they take, where they purchase them, what active ingredients they contain and what they’re taking them for.
Herbal supplements have been around for thousands of years. Many believe they’re a safe and effective treatment for everything from the common cold to diabetes. But there’s little scientific proof that they’re doing us any good. Even worse, some of these supplements may pose a serious health danger.
A study earlier this year suggested that a popular herbal supplement promoted as a memory aid and found in some energy drinks could cause cancer. “We conclude that ginkgo biloba extract caused cancers of the thyroid gland in male and female rats and male mice and cancers of the liver in male and female mice,” wrote researchers at the U.S. government's National Toxicology Program. The findings prompted the Center for Science in the Public Interest, a health advocacy group, to caution consumers against buying the supplement.

Herbal Supplements: How Safe Are They? - Sanjay Gupta - Everyday Health

 

[renuka]

To most of us on this site your opinion matters. Are you the final word on effectiveness of drugs and supplements?.
Is this post of yours as an authority on medicine or as Renukaji the individual?

Dear Prasad ji,

This is not my personal opinion..I got the info from the seminar I attended..the speaker who was a fertility specialist was presenting a paper on the herbal supplement which I think is a European herbal product.

 

[sarang]

Two references given in an earlier post are neither here nor there. They are basically obfuscating and confusing without a valid referenced and direct point.

In many cases, Cooperman's group has found that some name-brand supplements contain only a fraction of the ingredient on their labels -- if any at all."Some have none, some have 80 percent, some have 20 percent," Cooperman said.

What is to do with ayurveda?

Another problem with supplements involves contamination. In two separate cases last month, pesticide residue was found in a batch of ginseng at a distributor in New Jersey, and toxic heavy metals like mercury, lead and arsenic were discovered in herbal supplements on sale in stores in the Boston area.

What is special about boston area? Why no action by the US govt.
Recently ranbaxy supplying bulk generic formulation drugs, was blaklisted, not because the medicine was bad or of poor quality, but the manufacturing processes were not as per US standards (mainly documentation and handling was poor).

"There are increasing instances of them being spiked with pharmaceutical products to make them more effective," said Cooperman.

Kalappadam galore!

Researchers from Boston University School of Medicine found that nearly 21 percent of the ayurvedic herbal supplements they purchased via the internet contained lead, mercury or arsenic that exceeded acceptable standards. The supplements were produced in India and the United States and sold through U.S. Web sites.

What medicines and who supplied. May be true or may be hyper just to publish a paper on a project sponsored by a pharma company.

There are toxic medicines in allopathy too, and are given under specific conditions with continuous monitoring. In ayurveda too, there are toxic medicines for special diseases and conditions and given as part of treatment for chronic diseases.

Anyway, the govt is going ahead full steam to establish colleges and hospitals for treating diseases with traditional medicine.