Opposition targets Ramdev over ayurveda product 'promising male child'

[prasad1]

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Many Ayurvedic adherents argue that the system’s incredible longevity offers a powerful argument for its success and safety. However, most of the information regarding Ayurveda’s efficacy has been passed from teacher to student. In addition to this “oral history,” the ancient books Charak Samhita and Sushruta Samhita contain observational documentations about the system’s effectiveness.

Ayurveda teaches that as there are no two persons alike, individuals may be treated with a different formulation, regimen or diet for the same disease. Thus, experiments measuring the outcome or effects of a single treatment on large numbers of people are impossible within the Ayurvedic system.In short, the double-blind placebo control method of experimentation defies Ayurvedic principles and may not bring accurate results.
If no two person is same how can there be a single treatment (in the form of Tablet or other) be possible. I can understand a special concoction of herbs for individual case. But then babaji can not make money.

 

[prasad1]

Hotels spas such as Taj Wellington Mews in Mumbai offer aromatherapy messages, body scrubs and generous showers of flower petals, marketed toward Western clientele. With scented candles and mineral baths, you'll be treated to ayurveda-light, which is a good thing.
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Like traditional Chinese medicine, ayurveda is a complex and sometimes insightful regimen for healthy living developed thousands of years ago. But perhaps even more so than its Asian rival, ayurveda can border on the bizarre, for it is deeply rooted in astrology and outdated beliefs.
et the mere fact that ayurveda developed in this brilliant ancient culture doesn't mean it doesn't have its serious flaws. The system is based on the concept of imbalances, much like China's yin and yang and medieval Europe's four humors. With ayurveda there are three forces, or dosha, called vata, pitta, and kapha. Imbalances cause disease, the story goes.

Then along came Western allopathic medicine, the Rodney Dangerfield of the medical world. Its identification of viruses, bacteria and genetic disorders as the underlying cause of disease has nearly doubled human life expectancy in the past 100 years. Still, it gets no respect.

At best, ayurveda is a healthy lifestyle that promotes a vegetarian diet and relaxation. As with traditional Chinese medicine, its insight into herbal cures is keen. Some of these herbs are being studied by Indian scientists and turned into reliable medicines. Herbs, after all, are the basis of conventional pharmacology.

At worst, ayurveda is a billion-dollar business of sham cures based on astrology, gem healing, psychic healing, mantras and pop culture, spun through either fraud or naiveté. One concern is the herbal concoction given for treatment. Heavy metals have long been part of the ayurvedic tradition, and a 2004 study published in the Journal of the American Medical Association found the 20 percent of herbal remedies sold around Boston had harmful amounts of lead, mercury or arsenic.

Another concern is the diagnosis, based on unconventional methods of pulse-taking and other bodily signs to determine the levels of vata, pitta, and kapha. The treatment, depending on your healer, will likely take into effect the position of the planets, because Mars is related to blood and the liver, and Venus, you may have guessed, is tied to impotency.

Fortunately when you buy ayurvedic soap, you're not really tapping into the most bizarre and potentially harmful aspects of ayurveda; you're just buying soap at twice the price. At its most basic level, ayurveda's emphasis on a balanced diet with exercise, such as yoga, could help prevent chronic diseases plaguing us. That's not too shabby. But caution is needed once you begin treating cancer and serious diseases based on the alignment of the moon in Aquarius.

Ayurveda: The Good, the Bad and the Expensive

 

[zebra16]

The word Putra when used in certain specific context just means Progeny(child) without only meaning a male.

In Sanskrit Masculine words are also used to include both genders.

For example Pitr can mean Father but when used in context of Pitruh Karyam it means Ancestors both male and female included.

Even when used in dual..for example Putrau means two sons.
Putrau is also used to denote a situation of one son and one daughter.


So the usage of the word "Putrajeevak Beej," since used in context of medicinal purposes just means "the seed that gives life for a child." .


I wonder why all the fuss for this?

So many people know Sanskrit in India...why no one giving a detail grammar explanation?

They made it very clear what the fuss was all about with this statement:

"Sarangji and other RSS supporters will be up in arms, It is not intended as an anti-bjp post. It is immoral, illegal and downright wrong to sell so called remedies without proper testing, that too by "Baba" Ramdev."

Some RSS connection has to be found and Sarongji and other unknown, ghost RSS supporters need to take up the arms and become Don Quixote and fight the wind mills

KC Tyagi may or may not have sanskrit language to know that "putra" is gender neutral, but KC Tyagis' of this forum, in their zeal copy pasted the article without even cursory understanding of the term. These KC Tyagis' go about quoting Bhagwat Geeta slokas at the drop of the hat

And the statistics they brandish in support of their claims make one laugh from other parts of the anatomy too. The report says 80 cases of ayurveda medicine poisoning deaths since 1978 and 12 deaths in 2005 alone. That is the figure they could get in hurry-bury search by google. Does this figure come anywhere near overdose or other killings caused by allopathic medicines? Do they even remember Michael Johnson?

About mis-branding or mis-selling the products. "Fair & Lovely" and "Fair & Handsome" creams are being sold in this country with ZERO scientific approval and they too mint millions.

But KC Tyagis are quiet because it does not fit their agenda to call for war the ghost RSS supporters

 

[V.Balasubramani]

About mis-branding or mis-selling the products. "Fair & Lovely" and "Fair & Handsome" creams are being sold in this country with ZERO scientific approval and they too mint millions.

Sir,

You are right.

People use these products going by the promising Advertisements for decades together but with no improvement. And some of them become habituated to certain products and used to mention such products invariably in their monthly list of purchases irrespective of its effectiveness.

Is it not something like cheating the general public with false promises which politicians do normally?

Why no action under Restrictive Trade Practices Act or other Acts that govern such malpractices???

 

[sarang]

A nationlist govt has undertaken to revive and reinstitute our knowledge systems suppressed for a couple of generations; everything need not be judged or evaluated by 'ba ba black sheep or twinkle twinkle little star' standards.

In a recent tv interview with arnab, the HRD minister smuti irani, on the issue of 'birth day celebration with candles' said - I have never celebrated my birth day blowing candle off and cutting cake, 99% of indians don't do that; what is the logic of quoting this in a school book? Text books will use inputs from people at panchayat level, and not just a few 'experts' sitting in delhi.

Ministry of Ayush, a separate ministry has this mission:

Department of Indian System of Medicine and Homeopathy (ISM&H) was created in March 1995 and re-named as Department of Ayurveda, Yoga & Naturopathy, Unani , Siddha and Homoeopathy (AYUSH) in November 2003 with a view to providing focused attention to development of Education and Research in Ayurveda, Yoga & Naturopathy, Unani , Siddha and Homoeopathy systems. The Department has been elevated to an independent Ministry w.e.f. 09.11.2014. The ministry continues to lay emphasis on upgradation of AYUSH educational standards, quality control and standardization of drugs, improving the availability of medicinal plant material, research and development and awareness generation about the efficacy of the system domestically and internationally.

 

[sarang]

But then babaji can not make money.

Pope has spoken, heathens have to kneel and submit!

 

[Brahmanyan]

Baba Ramdev is accused of some thing that he has not done !

"Putra jeevak"

"This plant seems controversial by its name,. Thats what you call ill informed literacy = illiteracy
The name is for a plant which has been known to have certain properties which can help in cases of infertiliy. The name is an age old name and classically adopted in its botanical nomenclature as well. Its seeds support the aphrodisiac and gynaecological properties and hence are used in infertiliy." says Dr. Nitin Chaube, a B.A.M.S. Ayurvedic Doctor from india.
He is correct. Even for a lay person like me many research papers are availble in interner websites.
I give some details from the websites that I had browsed:

"Nageia putranjiva. Putranjiva (Raaj Nighantu) is a plant genus of the family Putranjivaceae. Along with Drypetes (of the same family), it contains mustard oils as a chemical defense against herbivores. The ability to produce glucosinolates is believed to have evolved only twice, in the Putranjivaceae and the Brassicales.
Bryonia Laciniosa is an Ayurvedic herb used traditionally as an aphrodisiac and pro-fertility compound, touted to increase masculinity and enhance youthfulness during aging. It belongs to the category of Vrishya rasayana alongside Anacyclus pyrethrum."

"Putrajeevak (Putranjiva roxburghii) is a medicinal tree which is found throughout India. Its various parts are used to treat various clinical disorders. Its seeds are used to treat infertility."

"According to Healthymedicine.in, Putrajeevak is heavy in digestion, Sweet and pungent in taste, sweet taste after digestion, cold in potency. It pacifies vata and pitta while it promotes kapha. It also enhances quantity of semen. In fact this is one of the best foods for women suffering from infertility. Putrajivak is a diuretic, checks edema and acts as a carminative. Putrajivak checks excessive thirst, burning sensation and helps to improves vision."

"Research on this compound is preliminary, but it appears to be a potential testosterone booster as evidenced by one study done in rats."

"Common name: Putranjiva, Lucky Bean Tree • Hindi: Putijia • Marathi: Jivanputra, Patravanti • Tamil: Irukolli, Karupala • Malayalam: Pongalam • Telugu: Kuduru, Putrajivika • Kannada: Amani Putrajiva • Bengali: Putranjiva, Jioysuta • Oriya: Poilundia • Konkani: Saman • Urdu: Paishandia • Gujarati: Putranjiva • Sanskrit: Putrajivah
Botanical name: Putranjiva roxburghii Family: Putranjivaceae (Puranjiva family)
Synonyms: Drypetes roxburghii, Nageia putranjiva"

Let us not denigrate our ancient Sciences without understanding them.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[sarang]

Well said sir. I sincerely wish more join this chorus and understand the wisdom our ancestors had, and propagate.

Let us not denigrate our ancient Sciences without understanding them.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Dear Prasad ji,

This is not my personal opinion..I got the info from the seminar I attended..the speaker who was a fertility specialist was presenting a paper on the herbal supplement which I think is a European herbal product.

The members of IMA - TN Branch called for al Bandh on 2nd to protect their interest - this time from physical assault by patients relatives! They have been demanding the police to arrest "Poli doctors" or quacks for quite sometimes - RIMPs who prescribed drugs listed in the Pharmacopeia of alopathic system - as they are not trained in the use of them and should prescribe & stick to drugs about which they have knowledget and Few were arrested !! In this situation is it correct for Allopaths to indulge in Ayurveda or other system of medicines - they are not trained in these systems - and present papers!

 

[prasad1]

Baba Ramdev himself subsequently retorted that Putrajeevak was only a generic term for child in its original Sanskrit sense, and that it only promised to target female infertility. He stoutly maintained that any reference to son preference was imagined, not intended, and promised non-ambiguous packaging. However, without splitting hairs over nomenclature, it is important to see the occasion for what it presents: an opportunity to make an emphatic call for a scientific validation of the country’s traditional systems of medicine. When the Bharatiya Janata Party government upgraded the Department of Ayurveda, Yoga and Naturopathy, Unani, Siddha and Homoeopathy (AYUSH) into a Ministry in 2014, it was expected that this would result in the scientific validation of various drugs offered by these systems. It has been the argument of scientists that the potency claims with respect to these drugs rest largely on those making or dispensing them, and as such these undergo no proper review or validation — a tried and tested process that allopathy swears by. Some of these claims tend to border on the fantastic, and can even attract the penal provisions of the Drugs and Magic Remedies (Objectionable Advertisements) Act. It is absolutely essential that the state, while promoting these pluralistic healing traditions, ensures that when people make the choice to go in for such treatment, they are reassured by science, and not just blind faith.

Pseudo-science and gender bias - The Hindu

It seems questioning is prohibited as in the statement:

Let us not denigrate our ancient Sciences without understanding them.

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

The basis of Hinduism is questioning everything. Arjuna questioned Krishna, Krishna was willing to answer. He could have told Arjuna to go read the scriptures as that statement above tells reader to do.
Nachiketa questioned his father's action and his father cursed him, may be that is what this statement from post#22 is doing.

Every time some one asks a difficult question, and you have no answer, just ducking under the tiranga Janda is not an answer.

 

[prasad1]

S.Krishnamurthy There is a notion circulating now a days after the BJP coming to power that all and everything about ancient India and Hindu religion are based on accomplished scientific truths and tend to encourage such thoughts! One can not forget how efforts were made to use the science conference to sell the pseudo-science of ancient flying machines! If rationalism and true scientific approach are shed in order to facilitate obscurantism and dogma, the future of India does not look so bright!

Traditional systems do not get tested systematically: I must caution readers though, side effects of traditional medicines do occur. For these reason, plant products must be subject to the same scientic rigour as the products used in allopathy.

Pseudo-science and gender bias - The Hindu

 

[sarang]

If someone has the patience to read the small print leaflet enclosed in the pack or printed in unreadable in foil pack, he will never touch the expensive medicine. one eg. axogurd, a pain reliever by alembic. very common side effects: Dizziness, drowsiness, headache, feeling of elation, confusion, decrease in sexual interest, irritability, clumsiness, memory impairment, difficulty with speaking, numbness, sleepiness, unable to sleep, blurred vision .. the list runs for one more page. And for paracetamal, shortness of breath, abnormalities of blood cells and even liver damage.

There is a big difference between ayurveda and allopathy in the way diseases are understood and treated. Demand to follow validation procedures as done for allopath medicines is neither correct nor relevant. Validation of allo medicines by testing through hospitals, patients and doctors is another story - locating patients, prescribing, monitoring and record keeping. I have some experience in this activity.

Ayurveda has to follow our traditional texts, and holistic practices associated. Ayurveda doctors can be asked to undergo training and refresher courses conducted by ayurveda experts.

Congress and opposition have no real issues to discuss, do not want bills to be discussed; hence waste time on topics which will neither bring glory to them or improve life of common man.

Not a single scam has happened in the last eleven months.

 

[sarang]

Homeopathy and FDA compliance

1. How are homeopathic products regulated?

Homeopathic products are classified as drugs under the Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act. Specific regulatory guidance for the marketing of homeopathic drugs is given in a U.S. FDA Compliance Policy Guide. OTC homeopathic medicines are indicated for self-limiting, self-diagnosable conditions such as cold symptoms, headaches, indigestion. All homeopathic medicines must comply with FDA labeling requirements (21 CFR §201) and be manufactured in accordance with Current Good Manufacturing Practices (21 CFR §210 and §211). Manufacturers of homeopathic products must also register with the FDA and may be subject to FDA inspections. As with all medicines, OTC homeopathic manufacturers must report any serious adverse reactions to FDA.
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Prescription homeopathic medicines are exempt from new drug approval requirements and homeopathic medicines available OTC have previously been excluded from the OTC Drug Review.[SUP]2[/SUP] Individual homeopathic ingredients marketed for sale in the United States have been reviewed for homeopathic efficacy, toxicology, adverse effects, and clinical use by the Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia Convention of the United States (HPCUS) and are listed (monographed) in the Homeopathic Pharmacopoeia of the United States (HPUS). Compliance with the HPUS alone does not establish that a homeopathic medicine has been shown to be safe, effective and not misbranded for its intended use.
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The table below outlines some of the key aspects of drug regulation associated with homeopathic drugs, conventional (allopathic) drugs, and dietary supplements.
FAQs About Homeopathic Medicine
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[sarang]

It is obvious that many are using the badge of ayurveda to sell medicines and supplements, with perhaps a few drops of plant extracts. All cosmetic products sold in india under 'herbal' category, contain 99% chemicals and 1% tulsi or neem or turmeric. Shame medicines too are made like this thus devaluing merits of ayurveda. Two short excerpts and links for fda and ayurveda
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"The FDA does not review or approve Ayurvedic products. But the agency has put an import alert on certain Ayurvedic products since 2007. This prevents the products from entering the country. However, many customers purchase the products over the Internet. Such sales are harder to monitor.
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"These illegally sold products, according to FDA, include dietary supplements and ayurvedic products described as ‘medicine of the healing arts that originated in India’ with claims to treat, cure, and/or prevent diabetes. Medications cited in the ban order included unapproved versions of metformin and Januvia, which is procured from India and sold online in the US, and Diexi, manufactured by Amrutam LifeCare of Surat.Amrutam was also cited for claims with regards to supplements such as Zoom (for erectile dysfunction), Arexi (for arthritis) Allexi (for allergy), Cholexi (for cholesterol control), and Obexi (for obesity). The FDA acknowledged that it’s not aware of any reports of injury or illness associated with the illegally sold products, but said it’s taking action to protect the public health from potential harm.

What Is Ayurveda? Treatments, Massage, Diet, and More

http://www.thehealthsite.com/news/u...-on-ayurvedic-homeopathic-diabetic-medicines/

 

[auh]

Dear Prasad ji,

This is not my personal opinion..I got the info from the seminar I attended..the speaker who was a fertility specialist was presenting a paper on the herbal supplement which I think is a European herbal product.

Herbal or not, products, if they are of European or US origin would probably be suggested to possess beneficial properties. Not so, if they are Indian. The exception, perhaps, would be those that are patented by the "five eyes".

There is a heavy bias on products that are of Indian origin, and researches may have been funded to impress a negative on such products.

 

[auh]

Btw, the opposition seems to be either jobless or motivated, with an ulterior purpose, to nitpick, I think. The next, we would hear, is that they would be engaged in counting the sperms of xyz and complain...

 

[sarang]

Auhji, this is over my head. Will you please clarify?

The exception, perhaps, would be those that are patented by the "five eyes".

Herbal or not, products, if they are of European or US origin would probably be suggested to possess beneficial properties. Not so, if they are Indian. The exception, perhaps, would be those that are patented by the "five eyes".

There is a heavy bias on products that are of Indian origin, and researches may have been funded to impress a negative on such products.

 

[auh]

Five eyes are US, UK, Canada, Australia & New Zealand.

More about this here

 

[sarang]

Thanks. All english speaking countries. Do not trust non english!

Five eyes are US, UK, Canada, Australia & New Zealand.

More about this here

 

[prasad1]

Acting against uproar over yoga guru Ramdev's controversial drug 'Putrajeevak', the Madhya Pradesh government has ordered that the drug will not be sold in the state till its name is changed. There have been allegations against Ramdev's drug that promises the birth of a male child. Terming it as illegal and unconstitutional, demands were made by opposition parties in Parliament seeking stringent action against the manufacturers.
Janata Dal United MP KC Tyagi had in Rajya Sabha showed a packet called 'Putrajeevak Beej', which he claimed to have bought from Divya Pharmacy that promised the delivery of a male child.
Madhya Pradesh bans Ramdev's controversial 'Putrajeevak' medicine till its name is changed - IBNLive

Ramdev said a disclaimer will be added on the package of the medicine 'Putrajeevak Beej' that it does not promise a male child.
MP Government bans sale of Ramdev's 'Putrajeevak' - newkerala news #53375

The general public is smarter than the average.

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

dear Vgane ji,

A more simple example about the usage of the word Putra meaning child can be seen in horoscope match where the word Putra Bhagyam is used.

Everyone accepts the fact the Putra Bhagyam means ability to have children and the word Putra here does not mean only male child.

Yes Putra is neutal But Indian Psycho and logic is tilted towards male - when somebody aspires for a child it is never gender neutral It is male only and to understand I hope no bashyam by Adi sankara Ramunja or Madhvachari is needed! See this in our Epics and Mythology - Puthrakameshti results in 4 males. When Kunti tested her boon she got Karna! Girls are not to be begotten but should be found on the fields as abandoned - like Seeta and Andal. Even Renuka I think is from dust! I am not aware of any story when a female baby was bestowed on prayers - I would like Renu to enlighten me more on this though she claims to be - Psychological - I see her more Logical than Psycho - Seen in this context I think Ramdev might be guilty to call it neutral with hidden aggenda!

 

[prasad1]

Yes Putra is neutal But Indian Psycho and logic is tilted towards male - when somebody aspires for a child it is never gender neutral It is male only and to understand I hope no bashyam by Adi sankara Ramunja or Madhvachari is needed! See this in our Epics and Mythology - Puthrakameshti results in 4 males. When Kunti tested her boon she got Karna! Girls are not to be begotten but should be found on the fields as abandoned - like Seeta and Andal. Even Renuka I think is from dust! I am not aware of any story when a female baby was bestowed on prayers - I would like Renu to enlighten me more on this though she claims to be - Psychological - I see her more Logical than Psycho - Seen in this context I think Ramdev might be guilty to call it neutral with hidden aggenda!

JJji,
You are right and MP government seems to agree with you.