Over-reaction to an irritant

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Diplomacy is not a limited overs cricket match. But by calling off the Foreign Secretary-level talks with Pakistan scheduled for August 25, the Narendra Modi government has behaved precisely as if it was that. For more than a decade now leaders of the secessionist Hurriyat have regularly met Pakistani diplomats stationed in India, as well as visiting leaders starting with General Pervez Musharraf when he came for the Agra summit in 2001. Such meetings that demonstrate Pakistan’s preference for the separatists are no doubt an irritant, but New Delhi’s usual practice had been to register an objection and move on, not letting the issue derail the dialogue process. Implicit in this approach was the realisation that engagement was the key to normalising relations with Islamabad. Also, there has been grudging acceptance on the Indian side that an India-Pakistan agreement on Kashmir needs the Hurriyat on board. For, while there is an elected government, the separatist leaders do carry a great deal of influence in the Valley on the larger political questions about the State. The Centre too has been in both official and secret talks with the Hurriyat leadership. In the light of this, the proper course would have been to express displeasure at the Pakistan High Commissioner’s invitation to the Hurriyat for consultations before the talks between the Foreign Secretaries. But to have cancelled the talks shows a shockingly inadequate grasp of history, and is short-sighted. India has called off engagement with Pakistan many times in the recent past for far more serious reasons, only to realise after each hiatus that there is no other alternative. The immediate question now is if the talks between Prime Minister Modi and his Pakistan counterpart Nawaz Sharif will take place as planned on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in September.


The government has done itself no favours, as the decision is bound to add to the popularity of the separatist leaders in the Valley. Pakistan has described the cancellation as “a setback to the efforts by our leadership to promote good neighbourly relations” with India.
Over-reaction to an irritant - The Hindu

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Prasad Sir,

Seeing the caption, I thought it is about forum members!! :lol:

 

[tks]

Diplomacy is not a limited overs cricket match. But by calling off the Foreign Secretary-level talks with Pakistan scheduled for August 25, the Narendra Modi government has behaved precisely as if it was that. For more than a decade now leaders of the secessionist Hurriyat have regularly met Pakistani diplomats stationed in India, as well as visiting leaders starting with General Pervez Musharraf when he came for the Agra summit in 2001. Such meetings that demonstrate Pakistan’s preference for the separatists are no doubt an irritant, but New Delhi’s usual practice had been to register an objection and move on, not letting the issue derail the dialogue process. Implicit in this approach was the realisation that engagement was the key to normalising relations with Islamabad. Also, there has been grudging acceptance on the Indian side that an India-Pakistan agreement on Kashmir needs the Hurriyat on board. For, while there is an elected government, the separatist leaders do carry a great deal of influence in the Valley on the larger political questions about the State. The Centre too has been in both official and secret talks with the Hurriyat leadership. In the light of this, the proper course would have been to express displeasure at the Pakistan High Commissioner’s invitation to the Hurriyat for consultations before the talks between the Foreign Secretaries. But to have cancelled the talks shows a shockingly inadequate grasp of history, and is short-sighted. India has called off engagement with Pakistan many times in the recent past for far more serious reasons, only to realise after each hiatus that there is no other alternative. The immediate question now is if the talks between Prime Minister Modi and his Pakistan counterpart Nawaz Sharif will take place as planned on the sidelines of the United Nations General Assembly in September.


The government has done itself no favours, as the decision is bound to add to the popularity of the separatist leaders in the Valley. Pakistan has described the cancellation as “a setback to the efforts by our leadership to promote good neighbourly relations” with India.
Over-reaction to an irritant - The Hindu

The Hindu is a anti-Hindu paper and filled with low integrity scoundrels masquerading as journalists.

There is no need to have the usual useless talks. The analysis by the writer is flawed to say the least.

Sometimes small things looked one way are actually big things from another view point. What the analyst calls irritant is actually show of disrespect and the act is by Pakistan is to test the waters if things are as usual. And they are finding out it is not.

The government at Pakistan does not hold much power. Often action speaks louder than words and in this case act of rejection of talks sends a more powerful message.

Both sides must want peace. Pakistan in its current make up is not ready to deal ..

 

[sarang]

Ekavachanam. dwivachanam or bahuvachanam?

Dear Prasad Sir,

Seeing the caption, I thought it is about forum members!! :lol:

 

[krish44]

I consider Modis' action showing displeasure and cancelling the secy.level meet was a brilliant one.

nawaz shariff s' mandate to run the country is limited by the army .the real power is with them

it is highly unlikely he can continue for a long time as PM

India can marginalise Hurriyat and get away with it

it is a matter of time J and K will get a govt with BJP and a regional partner. its integration with india will be faster

we have a strong govt in delhi with peoples mandate . problems like J and K ,north eastern states ,china have a better chance of resolution keeping indias interest

uppermost. indira gandhi handled her neighbours pretty well since she was a strong willed leader . modi I am sure will do the same equally well if not better

media could be more responsible than criticizing a leader who has handled the issue with firmness it requires

 

[sarang]

The hindu editorial appears to be so riveting that wise people have learnt to ignore such drivel, as there is not a single comment on the article.

 

[vgane]

It is a fair play in politics! The person with whom you are trying to engage is not playing a fair game!

 

[prasad1]

The hindu editorial appears to be so riveting that wise people have learnt to ignore such drivel, as there is not a single comment on the article.

Wrong as usual, check you facts otherwise you become irrelevant.
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Over-reaction to an irritant - The Hindu

 

[sarang]

Read 'not a single Hindu favourable' comment. Now you can start counting. Anyway the Hindu is a dieing institution that appeals to psecs and commies. All brahmins have distanced themselves wisely.

Wrong as usual, check you facts otherwise you become irrelevant.
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Over-reaction to an irritant - The Hindu

 

[prasad1]

No role for separatists in Kashmir row:

India on Wednesday ruled out any role for the separatists in resolving its row with Pakistan over Kashmir. Earlier in the day, Islamabad’s envoy to New Delhi sought to legitimise participation of the Hurriyat Conference leaders by calling them stakeholders in the dispute and justifying his consultations with them.


The war of words between the two neighbouring countries escalated on Wednesday. Invoking the Simla Agreement of 1972, New Delhi stated that the governments of India and Pakistan were the only stakeholders in the issue of Kashmir.


“After 1972 and the signing of the Simla Agreement by the prime minister of India and prime minister of Pakistan, there are only two stakeholders in the issue of Jammu and Kashmir – the Union of India and the Islamic Republic of Pakistan,” Syed Akbaruddin, official spokesperson of the Ministry of External Affairs, said, adding: “This is a principle which is the bedrock of our bilateral relations.”

The MEA spokesperson said that the principle of the Simla Agreement had again been reaffirmed by the 1999 Lahore Declaration, which Pakistan Prime Minister M Nawaz Sharif issued during his earlier tenure jointly with his then Indian counterpart A B Vajpayee.
No role for separatists in Kashmir row

 

[tbs]

Dear Prasad Sir,

Seeing the caption, I thought it is about forum members!! :lol:

hi

i thought little different in caption....he is from USA...i think something connection to the ferguson.MO action....but it was something

else...

 

[krish44]

PM Modis 'plan for J and K is different.

Amit shah is trying to foist a BJP govt on the state with a Hindu CM

As part of the strategy , all kashmiri pandits [they constitute 10 % of kashmir valley] in delhi and north india are being enrolled as voters .besides six to seven

constituencies in the valley have a sizable pandit, sikh presence . also disgruntled elements from PDP are being inducted into the party besides understanding is being arrived with

Panthers party in jammu and sajjad lones party in kashmir. It is calculated that if BJP can carry Jammu , ladakh and 6to 7 seats of valley they can get the numbers to

foist a Hindu CM .since voting in valley does not cross 11% due to boycott calls , the votes mobilsed should see BJP thru

RSS cadres are being mobilised with this objective in J and K. BJP might repeat UP in J and K

the objective is to integrate J and K fully with india through democratic means and marginalise the Hurriyat

It might work out

In Pak the govt is under siege with political opposition from Imran Khan and Quadri besides the army getting into the act . The hard indian stance may reverse the

tide in favour of india in years to come if modi stays for more than one term

 

[prasad1]

Krishji,
AAP Ke Muh me Ghee Shakkar.
This is first time I am seeing this "potential" outcome. I would whole heartedly welcome this result.

 

[prasad1]

As a result, the decision to cancel those talks over the Pakistan High Commissioner’s talks with Hurriyat leaders has raised a very big question mark over more than just those talks. If the Foreign Secretaries were meeting to lay the ground for the Modi-Sharif talks in New York next month, does that mean the Prime Ministers will not meet? Have the trade deals and the energy plans discussed so far, not to mention the entire peace process, been cancelled? Will three months of visible strategy, and all the meetings and attempts to reach out in the months preceding the elections be overturned by this decision? Should Bangladesh and Nepal, who have critical bilateral agreements with India on land, power and water, due to be cleared in the next few months, worry about a similarly abrupt reversal in decisions? Finally, which is the version of Mr. Modi’s foreign policy vision that is the real template for the world to engage with?


“Mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy,” wrote Chinese warrior Sun Tzu in The Art of War. With his move, Mr. Modi has certainly done all three, even giving the impression that he still regards Pakistan as an enemy to defeat and not as a neighbour he wishes to resolve issues with. Sun Tzu may have other things to say about a policy that mystifies and confounds everyone else as well. Surprise in such cases can at best only be a tactic in foreign policy, not a long-term strategy.
Surprise is a tactic, not a strategy - The Hindu

 

[vgane]

As a result, the decision to cancel those talks over the Pakistan High Commissioner’s talks with Hurriyat leaders has raised a very big question mark over more than just those talks. If the Foreign Secretaries were meeting to lay the ground for the Modi-Sharif talks in New York next month, does that mean the Prime Ministers will not meet? Have the trade deals and the energy plans discussed so far, not to mention the entire peace process, been cancelled? Will three months of visible strategy, and all the meetings and attempts to reach out in the months preceding the elections be overturned by this decision? Should Bangladesh and Nepal, who have critical bilateral agreements with India on land, power and water, due to be cleared in the next few months, worry about a similarly abrupt reversal in decisions? Finally, which is the version of Mr. Modi’s foreign policy vision that is the real template for the world to engage with?


“Mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy,” wrote Chinese warrior Sun Tzu in The Art of War. With his move, Mr. Modi has certainly done all three, even giving the impression that he still regards Pakistan as an enemy to defeat and not as a neighbour he wishes to resolve issues with. Sun Tzu may have other things to say about a policy that mystifies and confounds everyone else as well. Surprise in such cases can at best only be a tactic in foreign policy, not a long-term strategy.
Surprise is a tactic, not a strategy - The Hindu

Have you seen the Pakistan PM helpless in the face of relentless attack on him by Imran Khan...The army smelling power has upped the ante...A power shift is happening there..There is no point speaking with Nawaz Sharif who has become spineless..Even the much hated (in TN) Sri Lanka's President has cancelled his Pakistan trip...

NaMo is after all right in this!!

 

[tks]

As a result, the decision to cancel those talks over the Pakistan High Commissioner’s talks with Hurriyat leaders has raised a very big question mark over more than just those talks. If the Foreign Secretaries were meeting to lay the ground for the Modi-Sharif talks in New York next month, does that mean the Prime Ministers will not meet? Have the trade deals and the energy plans discussed so far, not to mention the entire peace process, been cancelled? Will three months of visible strategy, and all the meetings and attempts to reach out in the months preceding the elections be overturned by this decision? Should Bangladesh and Nepal, who have critical bilateral agreements with India on land, power and water, due to be cleared in the next few months, worry about a similarly abrupt reversal in decisions? Finally, which is the version of Mr. Modi’s foreign policy vision that is the real template for the world to engage with?


“Mystify, mislead and surprise the enemy,” wrote Chinese warrior Sun Tzu in The Art of War. With his move, Mr. Modi has certainly done all three, even giving the impression that he still regards Pakistan as an enemy to defeat and not as a neighbour he wishes to resolve issues with. Sun Tzu may have other things to say about a policy that mystifies and confounds everyone else as well. Surprise in such cases can at best only be a tactic in foreign policy, not a long-term strategy.
Surprise is a tactic, not a strategy - The Hindu

Let us tell the writer of this piece to wait, watch and learn...
He and his masters are best ignored

 

[sarang]

There are three pakistans - ISI, army and the elected. The elected govt is always under the other two when india is concerned. Modi must do something different, rather than following weak kneed opportunist previous governments. USA has been partial to pakistan in the past, and even now expects modi to start the dialogue. But modi is different and will not easily fall for american whip or lollipops.

The whole world heard what jimmy carter said about morarji desai (the mike was inadvertently on) - "He is adamant and must be taught a lesson".

 

[prasad1]

I like what Krishji wrote in post#12. If we can change the dynamics inside J&K without bothering about Pakistan that will be the best possible scenario.

Why make this pretense as if Pakistan matters, and then slap them in the face. That just shows lack of clear policy.
Have a clear policy of ignoring Pakistan, and deal with your internal problem. I do not whether that will work?
It did in the case of Khalistan.

 

[tks]

I like what Krishji wrote in post#12. If we can change the dynamics inside J&K without bothering about Pakistan that will be the best possible scenario.

Why make this pretense as if Pakistan matters, and then slap them in the face. That just shows lack of clear policy.
Have a clear policy of ignoring Pakistan, and deal with your internal problem. I do not whether that will work?
It did in the case of Khalistan.

Pakistan matters to establish cultural and economic ties and for long term peace. But that can only happen in an atmosphere of respect. In the past they may have gotten used to doing disrespectful things and getting away with it. But not any more.

How India works its internal affairs is none of its business.

India has second largest Muslim population in the world and Pakistan is not a spokesman country for Muslims in the region.

Much of mischief they do is driven by classic hatred and due to nods and winks from the west.