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Penguin to axe Wendy Doniger's controversial book The Hindus: An Alternative History

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'Intolerance in the name of freedom of expression'

From Monica Arora, Advocate for Shri Dinanath Batra, petitioner:

"The objectionable passages in the book are defamatory, objectionable and insulting to freedom fighters and Hindu gods. Eminent personalities including a former ambassador, historian, educationist and freedom fighter approached a court of law for deletion of these passages. After a four-year legal battle, Penguin agreed to withdraw this book and gave an undertaking to the court to this effect. Hence the withdrawal of this book is an outcome of a valid, legal battle fought by people of eminence in this vibrant democracy."

"The aforementionedpeople are criticising Indian courts, the publishing house which stated that itrespected all religions, and a group of eminent, educated people who adoptedpurely legal, civilized means to approach a court of law for a remedy for theirlegitimate grievances. These champions of freedom of expression have taken uponthemselves their favorite agenda — to attack all those who do not agree withthem. Like US President George W Bush, they seem to believe that "eitheryou are with us or you are fascists, extremists and fanatics".

Equally shocking werethe article of Ramachandra Guha carried by your newspaper stating that courtshave failed to protect artistic rights and the letter written by Arundhati Royto Penguin India calling us a 'fly-by-night outfit', fanatics and fascists. Allthese reactions display the same mindset, which holds "we will obey thelaw if it suits us, otherwise damn it."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Intolerance-in-the-name-of-freedom-of-expression-says-advocate-of-petitioner-against-The-Hindus/articleshow/30362934.cms


 
There were NO book burnings. There were NO riots. The author was NOT sent death threats. On the contrary, the plaintiffs pursued due process. The case is a textbook example of how to proceed with civilised, democratic dissent,


In steps of Dr Subramanian Swamy who has fought many a legal battle including Ram Sethu and Chidambaram Dikshitars

Read this from Rajeev Srinivasan.

The discussion on social media and in the mainstream media about Wendy Doniger and her book The Hindus: An Alternative History has tended to focus on a single issue: Whether Doniger's freedom of expression had been violated when her publisher, Penguin India, decided to withdraw the book from circulation (only in India).


Of course, the book remains available on shelves outside India, and also in e-book form on the Internet, so anyone in India who wants to access it can feel free to use those channels.


There is an intriguing question as to what 'Freedom of expression' a non-Indian is entitled to in India. Not being a lawyer, I don't know, but an educated guess is that, in fact, a foreigner is entitled to no such freedom as an explicit guarantee in the Constitution or the criminal or civil codes; however, that there are commonly accepted guidelines that most nations (except authoritarian ones) may follow in the spirit of reciprocity.


These may mean that, in practice, a foreigner gets as much freedom of speech as a citizen. But we will leave that question aside for the moment.


The point I wish to emphasise, though, is that there is much disinformation and misinformation floating about, especially in the heat of debate, about what happened. It may be better to consider what did not happen: The book was NOT banned. There were NO book burnings. There were NO riots. The author was NOT sent death threats. In fact, there was none of the fanfare or theatrics that usually accompanies censorship.


On the contrary, the plaintiffs pursued due process. They went to court. I wish to emphasise that: They went to court, and following a truly democratic protest mechanism, filed a suit claiming (among other things) that they were offended, and their religious sentiments were hurt.


The court considered the suit, but before it could announce a verdict, the parties came to a peaceful, negotiated, out of court settlement. I believe the word you are searching for is 'civilised'.


So whose rights were violated? The defendants -- the author and the publisher -- could (and probably did) hire the most outstanding lawyer they could afford, and they argue their case based on Indian law.


The plaintiffs could (and probably did) argue their case. The defendants could have waited for the court to give its verdict (which may well have favoured them). But they did not, and settled out of court. They may have thought they would lose the case. Or they may have felt there was commercial value in withdrawing the book and pulping unsold copies. And so they did.
So where is the compulsion? Isn't this the free market, and democratic protest?


I will not dwell on this, but there have been other cases in India where the clarion call 'Freedom of expression in danger' was heard (or in some cases, not). There were also riots, death threats, physical assaults, book burnings, and all sorts of other dramatic effects. But in this case, there was none. Isn't that a remarkable achievement?
There is also the argument that 'Freedom of expression' is never absolute. In 1999, I argued in my column The Problem with Fire that the film of the same name violated the principle that those who wish to exercise that freedom were also obliged to act with responsibility, so that they did not cause serious problems.


For instance, even though you have every right to shout 'Fire' in a crowded theatre, you also have the responsibility to not do so, as it could cause a stampede. Thus, one has to exercise freedoms with responsibilities. As someone who likes to express his opinion in writing, I could never condone censorship, but I also accept that it must be responsible.
Furthermore, nowhere in the world is hate speech protected. Even the US, with its cherished First Amendment, will seldom condone hate speech -- I have seen people with extreme opinions being physically restrained from expressing them. It could be argued, and it has been, that Wendy Doniger, an American, has stepped over the border from 'free speech' to 'hate speech'. A petition circulated on the Web laid out that case.


You might argue that the relevant Indian laws, specifically the Indian Penal Code Sections 153A and 295A, reproduced below, are not good laws. I might even agree with you on that, because they are vague, and rather draconian.

153A. Whoever (a) by words, either spoken or written, or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise, promotes or attempts to promote, on grounds of religion, race, place of birth, residence, language, caste or community or any other ground whatsoever, disharmony or feelings of enmity, hatred or ill-will between different religious, racial, language or regional groups or castes or communities, or (b) commits any act which is prejudicial to the maintenance of harmony between different religious, racial, language or regional groups or castes or communities, and which disturbs or is likely to disturb the public tranquility... shall be punished with imprisonment which may extend to three years, or with fine, or with both.



295 A Whoever, with deliberate and malicious intention of outraging the religious feelings of any class of [citizens of India], [by words, either spoken or written, or by signs or by visible representations or otherwise], insults or attempts to insult the religion or the religious beliefs of that class, shall be punished with imprisonment of either description for a term which may extend to [three years], or with fine, or with both.



But if you disagree with the laws, there is a democratic process to change them: So you should pursue it. So long as they are on the statute books, they can be enforced, even though you may not like it. Them, as they say, is the breaks.
One of the things that Hindus have seldom realised in India is that these laws exist, and they have teeth. Personally, I think these are bad laws, and not in keeping with the civilisational ethos of the nation, but I have no choice but to respect them.


To focus on the religious aspect for a moment, these laws make sense only in an Abrahamic environment, where the Semitic religions, all of which are exclusive, and believe themselves to be only truth, and therefore oppress those who are not adherents.


In India, religious oppression became an issue only after the advent of Abrahamic invaders. Prior to their arrival, religious arguments were settled by debate (almost never, with perhaps two exceptions -- one Sasanka in Bengal, and the other a Kashmiri king -- by force) in 5,000 years.


In debate, the loser lost nothing more than that s/he had to join the winner's religion (as was the case in Sankara's famous debates). Thus, these rules are somewhat senseless in India, and are part of the excessive pandering to 'religious minorities' (another senseless term, but outside our scope here) that is routine in India.


And the 'religious minorities' have made very fine use of these laws. They have a clear modus operandi, as was once explained to me by an apostate. If offended (and they are easily offended), one lot resorts to violence, including riots, death threats, and other such.


Another lot will hold a large peaceful march, shouting slogans. Both these are designed to (and will) induce the application of 295A and/or 153A, and the poor devil accused of 'offending' certain tender sensitivities will be frog-marched off to jail.
This happens with monotonous frequency: All of us know of many instances. But if a Hindu has a similar problem, he does not understand the modus operandi. He may riot, which brings down the full force of the State upon him, not to mention the opprobrium of the self-proclaimed liberal defenders of free speech. Even if he organises a peaceful march, the State will ignore him, and the media will abuse him, for they do not believe he has the right to be offended.


The only person up until now who has figured out that Hindus can also use existing laws in their favour is Subramanian Swamy, the maverick economist and former minister. He used legal arguments earlier to nix the destruction of the Rama Setu; more recently, in a precedent-setting case, he managed to prevent the grasping State from grabbing yet another Hindu temple, the Chidambaram Nataraja temple, from the Dikshitar community.


And now comes Dina Nath Batra with his fully democratic victory in the Doniger case. The only lesson that Hindus need to take away is that they, too, are protected under the 'hurt sentiments' law and that they can use it to punish those who offend them.


I hope many more will now use the full force of the law to bring culprits to heel. No need to hang your heads in shame even if soi-disant intellectuals say you must, as you have simply used civilised, democratic dissent.



How Hindus for once used the legal system well - Rediff.com India News
 
Only hindus will take the civilised route. The rest will riot, destroy, burn and stab. Even painter hussain chose to give up citizenship and run away when cases were pending in court. Thee was not even a whisper of bringing him to india to face trials even though no one wanted to put him in jail.

I hope many more will now use the full force of the law to bring culprits to heel. No need to hang your heads in shame even if soi-disant intellectuals say you must, as you have simply used civilised, democratic dissent.

How Hindus for once used the legal system well - Rediff.com India News
 
I am all for the freedom of expression and the free circulation of ideas. Our nation, our religion and our culture was tolerant of a diverse spectrum of ideas and philosophies. What irks me though is the selective interpretation of what is free speech and what is prohibited based on individual religions. Until such time we decide that the right to free speech includes the right to offend, and offend equally - I would always stand for prohibiting literature such as the one that was voluntarily withdrawn by Penguin.
 
The full text of the legal notice sent by Dina Nath Batra to Wendy Doniger, Penguin Group (USA) Inc. and Penguin Books India Pvt. Ltd., has been published by "Outlook" and is available in their following weblinK:

'Your Approach Is That Of A Woman Hungry Of Sex'

Prior to this an Online petition has been sponsored by Sarasvati Research and Education Trust in 2010, full text of the same can be read in the following weblink:
'The Book Promotes Prejudices And Biases Against Hindus' | Sarasvati Research and Education Trust


Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.
 
i did not know who wendy was and also anything about this book. today it is even mentioned in the new york times.

those who objected to this publication, had a winnable situation - an IPC, coded by our erstwhile colonial masters, with the best of intentions of suppressing our intellectual thought. <time and again it has been stressed that discussions about evr are not allowed. Kindly do not make a mockery of the rules - Praveen>

back to wendy penguin, i find that almost all who oppose the ban, are hindus or with hindu names? but many of these were silent when satanic verses or da vinci code or currently taslima nasrin's books are banned, the last mentioned author even fatwaed in west bengal. should there not be equal hue and cry? and a precedence set there in the first instance.

today's world of technology, makes banning of any of any published material, a mockery. in the same FB page where this issue was discussed, there were links to several sites to freely download the book; and THAT should make penguin angry, for they lose revenue in that process.

it is said that kamalahasan invented the 'crisis' when he faced with numerous issues re release of his film viswaroopam. MK family grip on theatres made it impossible for anyone without connections or donations to #1 dmk family, to release any movie. if you produce one, you had to sell it to them, at their stated price (like the hit vinnai thaandi varuvaya .. where the box office collections went not to menon but elsewhere). with daily hexponentially increasing kanthuvatti, hasan, invented a crisis, against muslims/dtc/distributors/who else and bought himself free publicity, which made him rich enough to squander on a few more movies. :)

most of us, i think, including me, has no intention of reading wendy's book. she may be erudite and she may infact like hindus hinduism. but she is approaching with a western critical analytical approach whose strenghts are logic/rhetoric/arguements, the very components, which are absolutely irrelevant when it comes to a matter of faith.

penguin may have been wise enough, not to have released the book in india at all. with this ban, wendy doniger, has plenty of free publicity in the west. would not be surprised if there is a spurt in sales, from practically zero to something significant, in the next few months. those in india, who wish to read it, can do so freely, either in print or electronically, as both are available in plenty.

i would probably not, and move on.
 
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A few related published attitudes may be in order. Sickening attitude of psecs and media.

MSM, main stream media is demonstrably anti hindu and pro everything else; but social media has changed the scene with hindus getting hearing and justice. Tambrams too have the benefit of social media to fight bashers.

Dipankar gupta, in rajdeep sardesai's tv discussion, on subramanyam swamy, after harvard did not renew his summer teaching - Swamy has the right to his opinion, but not the right to be published.


Sashi Tharoor in a debate with Christopher Hitchens

A story in a Bangalore newspaper: Even if the article was never intended to refer to Prophet Mohammad, the editor should have been careful enough to avoid misinterpretation and should have been aware that this would cause trouble. Sure, the victim of the violent attacks was wrong and should be the one to apologise.

That the Danish paper/cartoonist would have known well the publication of the cartoon would cause a worldwide backlash and should have resisted going ahead with it and exercised restraint. Tharoor strongly maintains that free speech/expression should not be used to hurt anyone.

The government is quick to acquiesce to the demands of muslims and christians because of perceived violence and disruption to law and order. Will defenders of wendy accept the court route for deciding what is acceptable or harmful when such issues surface?
 
most of us, i think, including me, has no intention of reading wendy's book. she may be erudite and she may infact like hindus hinduism. but she is approaching with a western critical analytical approach whose strenghts are logic/rhetoric/arguements, the very components, which are absolutely irrelevant when it comes to a matter of faith.


Did she make any attempt with western critical analytical approach in respect of Christianity and Islam.
 
Read this interview by Rajiv Malhotra who gives a point by point rebuttal to all the critics of the ban!

With so much of incorrect and biased information to belittle the Hindus, it shows the power of one individual to take on the might of the establishment that has taken over the editorial board, selection committees, literary festivals etc

Gods and Godesses are made fun of..They want to attack the Hindu psyche

"So many Hindu parents complain that when their kids go to school, they are made fun of because they are asked all these kinds of questions: Do you worship a monkey, why do you have this dot on your head, and so on. So these kids are vulnerable and are embarrassed"

'When Westerners make fun of our gods, they're instigating trouble' - Rediff.com News
 
The so called 'modern' Indian is often clueless about the many facets of the umbrella term Hindusim. Such people have for some reason tend to have a submissive mentality when it comes to dealing with western people and ideas.

There are about 15+ top universities in US alone that write papers on Hindusim using the lens of other ideas like those of Freud and Marx regardless of applicability. These people who write such supposedly journalistic articles and creating PhD degrees in the process are really not coming with hate based agenda necessarily though their writings are often used for such purposes.

The only way to address such so called analysis is to use research to refute in a public manner the flaws in logic and conclusion. In other words a scholarly approach is needed to destroy the credibility of what is presented assuming what is presented is flawed.

The modern Indian on the other hand being both clueless and submissive tends to embrace such writings, and even signs up for such courses. Their mind which is already confused is then filled with garbage while their attendance in such courses actually helps to lend credibilities to the so called original 'research'.

Wendy and other such Professors have been publishing their pet theories for a while.. It was only Rajiv Malhotra who took her to task on her writing by spending his own fortune to put forth fact based analysis. Most others under flawed understanding of freedom of expression remained passive accepting and even promoting by repetition these theories.

It is gratifying to note that there are at least a few scholars who are finally taking such publications to task. When new myths are created with such theories they can hurt people of India over time being the propagator of evil and sex in the eyes of other religious members who can further the platform for conversion using the submissive Indian about the 'true' nature of his religion.

Bharat Gupt's example of the wisdom of a rural uneducated women is missing with the modern clueless Indians.

Even in this forum I have seen many resorting to history centric focus and literal interpretation to show why our heritage is something we have to be ashamed of. Accuracy and interpretation of historical events is key to biblical religions and our modern Indian is drawn to the same kind of thinking in trying to interpret Puranas and epics.

The damage to Hindu thinking and practice is not coming about by the likes of Wendy and her PhD students. It will be by the submissive 'modern' Indian who out of ignorance and inferiority complex likes to learn from such people and promote such work in the name of freedom of expression...
 
" Anyone opposing wendy like anti hindu writers are immediately labeled as RSS members."

Same is the case with the writers of "Indigenous Aryan theory". Shrikant Talageri discusses this in his books "
Aryan Invasion Theory And Indian Nationalism" and " History of Rigveda". The foreign authors like Michael Witzel outrightly reject the discussions for refuting of Aryan Invasion theory saying that the writers( like Frawley, Rajaram, Oak, Kazanas,etc) presenting the counter theories are RSS affiliated or share its zeal and ideals. They don't tend to take a look on their arguments as they feel their writings as mere rhetoric and approach as pre-concieved abberations or intentions.

Although I believe in the argument that "
sex was treated by Hinduism as a natural, beautiful part of life, not to be treated with guilt and shame as Semitic religions may demand." I support Doniger for this satement atleast. Even Osho also emphasizes on same point. Sex in ancient India was not a taboo in the sense of Abhrahmics nor the notion of "God"," good & evil", "faith", etc same. Whether she denigrated Hinduism or presented the facts can only be stated after having read her book which for now is not possible.
 
The so called 'modern' Indian is often clueless about the many facets of the umbrella term Hindusim. Such people have for some reason tend to have a submissive mentality when it comes to dealing with western people and ideas. .................................................................................................................................................
The damage to Hindu thinking and practice is not coming about by the likes of Wendy and her PhD students. It will be by the submissive 'modern' Indian who out of ignorance and inferiority complex likes to learn from such people and promote such work in the name of freedom of expression...

Dear Shri TKS,

Well articulated...Being submissive is in our trait, courtesy British rule accentuated by Western philosophers and our own pseudo intellectuals aka Romila Thapar, Marxist historian with their own pet theories..All this are shoved down our throats to be gulped by the hoi polloi and are to be tolerated in the umbrella of Secularism, Socialism and Freedom of Speech...Anyone opposing them is branded as a Communalist..We need to call a spade a spade using all legally tenable options! That Hindus have woken up albeit slowly is now a reality!
 
Freedom of expression does not mean freedom of defamation

This post by Mr. Anuj Agarwal in bar and bench gives additional information not given exposure earlier. Ms. Arora was the legal counsel for SBAC.

Excerpts:

“It may be news for you andeveryone else but for us it was a simple case,” Monika Arora says with analmost bemused smile, “I simply cannot understand why there is such a big hueand cry.

Arora was the legal counsel for the Shiksha Bachao Andolan Committee (SBAC), the orgnaisation that had first approached courts in 2010, following the publication of Doniger’s book. The SBAC had claimed that portions of the book were defamatory, untrue and insulted the religious beliefs of the plaintiffs. The relief sought by the SBAC was the deletion of those portions of the book that were untrue and defamatory.

Four years later, while the trial was at the stage of cross-examination, Penguin India agreed to completely withdraw the book from the Indian market, something that Arora and the SBAC had never asked for.

“Had a similar book been written about any other religion,” she says, “I wonder if these intellectuals would have supported it.” As for worries that this spoke poorly of India’s commitement to the freedom of expression, Arora counters it with the argument that freedom of expression does not include the freedom of defamation.
“Doniger’s book is nothing but porn.”

“My clients have been calledfascists, Modi-supporters and this is ridiculous!” she says, “I mean justbecause you talk about Hindusim doesn’t automatically mean you belong to acertain political camp!” Worse, as per Arora, her clients were educated,law-abiding citizens. “One of them is a former Ambassador, another anacademician, the third a historian,” and her voice appears to be tinged withpain, “they are not some illiterates who retaliate with violence.”

?Freedom of expression does not mean freedom of defamation? ? Monika Arora, legal counsel for SBAC against Penguin India | Bar and Bench
 
Taslima Nasrin has this to say (http://tinyurl.com/kybgsxx ) about Indian pseudo secularists:


“I think secularists in India are selective. I don't think they are true secularists. I criticise Muslim fundamentalism as well as Hindu fundamentalism. Indian secularists defend those people who are attacked by Hindu fundamentalists but they do not defend writers and authors, filmmakers and people who are attacked by Muslim fundamentalists. This is very alarming.”
 
" Anyone opposing wendy like anti hindu writers are immediately labeled as RSS members."


Although I believe in the argument that "
sex was treated by Hinduism as a natural, beautiful part of life, not to be treated with guilt and shame as Semitic religions may demand." I support Doniger for this satement atleast. Even Osho also emphasizes on same point. Sex in ancient India was not a taboo in the sense of Abhrahmics nor the notion of "God"," good & evil", "faith", etc same. Whether she denigrated Hinduism or presented the facts can only be stated after having read her book which for now is not possible.

Here is a link on the rebuttal of Wendy Doniger's book.

The Hindus: An Alternative History by Prof
 
Well if anyone is smart..they should buy the rights of this book and make it into a movie.

Seems like some good masala stuff to be made into a movie.

I am sure the theme can be changed to be make it fictional and not related to any race or religion.

Make it like some ancient lost race somewhere in a galaxy far far away..like Star Wars Trilogy.

Rope in a few strapping Greek God looking males and some hot beauties and you have made a movie.

When we do not imply any race or religion how can it cause controversy...its will be a box office hit!

Collections from movie can be channeled for uplifting the masses.

BTW I am pretty sure the author of this book wanted all these responses..sometimes when someone is trying too hard to gain attention..the best is to give them what they want.
 
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Well if anyone is smart..they should buy the rights of this book and make it into a movie.

Seems like some good masala stuff to be made into a movie.

I am sure the theme can be changed to be make it fictional and not related to any race or religion.

Make it like some ancient lost race somewhere in a galaxy far far away..like Star Wars Trilogy.

Rope in a few strapping Greek God looking males and some hot beauties and you have made a movie.

When we do not imply any race or religion how can it cause controversy...its will be a box office hit!

Collections from movie can be channeled for uplifting the masses.

BTW I am pretty sure the author of this book wanted all these responses..sometimes when someone is trying too hard to gain attention..the best is to give them what they want.

Wendy Doniger claims to be an 'Indologist'. Coming to think of it, we have 1.2 billion true "indologists". Do we really need someone with no connections to India claim to be an "'indologist"? She's from Chicago and she'd be better off writing books about Obama who's from Chicago as well.
 
Good news is the clip removed for copyright reasons - the 500$ 5 second actor used her copyright rights because her voice dubbed and she was duped. The judge accepted this line.


Bad news is any small time extra actor can stump a film, especially if he/she did not know what was said (dubbing). Producers/directors have to amend the contracts or ensure that the script is approved by the non speaking actor.

Now the US court has ordered Google to take off "Innocence of Muslims" which was perceived to be anti Muslim by the M community

Why are the so called pseudo secularists who were pounding Penguin for removing the anti Hindu book, silent?

YouTube ordered to take down anti-Muslim film - The Hindu
 
Another book by Doniger in eye of storm! Not clear why she is targeting the Hindus, the most peace loving community in the world!

We should voice our protest peacefully!

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Another book on Hinduism by American indologist Wendy Doniger has come under attack from the same Delhi-based group which had compelled the publishers of an earlier work by her to withdraw the title.


Shiksha Bachao Andolan Samiti has demanded that the Aleph Book Company stop sales and pulp all remaining copies of Doniger's book On Hinduism, published in 2013.


Dina Nath Batra, who had led the charge against Doniger's previous book, said that the contents of On Hinduism were, like the previous work, "malicious and offending".


"She has used derogatory terms for Hindu deities, which hurts the sentiments of devotees," Batra charged.

The book is part of a conspiracy hatched by "pseudo secularists" to tarnish the image of Hindu culture and India, he alleged.


"It is part of a conspiracy hatched by the children of (Karl) Marx and (Thomas) Macaulay to tarnish the image of Hindu culture. There are certain pseudo secularists who are behind this conspiracy," Batra alleged.

Atul Kothari, co-convener of SBAS, said the publishers had assured that they would pulp the book within a week but, if that did not happen, legal recourse would be taken.


"We have been given an oral assurance by the publishers that the sales of the book will be stalled. The publishers have been given a week's time to provide an assurance in writing, failing which, SBAS would... move the judiciary," Kothari said.


The publisher, when contacted, however, declined to comment on the issue.


Doniger's 2009 book, The Hindus: An Alternative History, was pulped by Penguin following a row over its contents.


She has been accused by SBAS of using content which is "derogatory and offending to Hinduism" and "misrepresents facts".


"Recalling this book is essential because (Doniger), a so-called scholar, has misrepresented India and Hinduism. If research studies are carried out in future on Hinduism and her book is referred to, it will lead to an alteration of facts.


"That is not correct; therefore, we demand this book be recalled and banned," said Kothari.
Citing Article 295 (A) of Indian Penal Code, Batra said, "Article 295 (A) states that deliberate and malicious acts intended to outrage religious feelings of any class by insulting its religion or religious beliefs shall be punished with imprisonment or fine, or both."



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Wendy Doniger is now under attack for 'On Hinduism' - Rediff.com India News
 
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