People who believe in absurdities are likely to commit atrocities

[a-TB]

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For example, I have recently started learning the procedure for sandhyavandhanam, one could say offering handfulls of water to the sun is absurd. So now does this mean I am likely to conduct atrocities

With spam messages distracting the thread I did not read your comment earlier. Are you asking a sincere question or it is just a comment. If it is a question of understanding then I will spend time to respond

 

[renuka]

With spam messages distracting the thread I did not read your comment earlier. Are you asking a sincere question or it is just a comment. If it is a question of understanding then I will spend time to respond

Honestly its not advisable to call any message as spam.
Everyone here is a valid member and entitled to their opinions.

Opposing opinions sometimes is a good training grounds for tolerance and some patience.

So far no member has called your messages as spam.
Mutual respect is important in human interaction.

If we dont align with a message, we could ignore it or read it to see if there is something we could actually learn from it..if we really dont find it beneficial, then we can clear it from the cache of our mind.

 

[confused16]

With spam messages distracting the thread I did not read your comment earlier. Are you asking a sincere question or it is just a comment. If it is a question of understanding then I will spend time to respond

It is a real question. The choice of word absurdity, in the original statement , does open up the statement to such interpretations?

 

[sravna]

Honestly its not advisable to call any message as spam.
Everyone here is a valid member and entitled to their opinions.

Opposing opinions sometimes is a good training grounds for tolerance and some patience.

So far no member has called your messages as spam.
Mutual respect is important in human interaction.

If we dont align with a message, we could ignore it or read it to see if there is something we could actually learn from it..if we really dont find it beneficial, then we can clear it from the cache of our mind.

Renuka

I think everyone aligns with dharma some openly others subconsciously. Aggression against dharma is only a tacit acceptance of dharma.

Your point is well made. Let's see if there is some reflection on it.

 

[renuka]

Renuka

I think everyone aligns with dharma some openly others subconsciously. Aggression against dharma is only a tacit acceptance of dharma.

Your point is well made. Let's see if there is some reflection on it.

This video teaches us how to deal with situations.

 

[confused16]

Renuka

I think everyone aligns with dharma some openly others subconsciously. Aggression against dharma is only a tacit acceptance of dharma.

Your point is well made. Let's see if there is some reflection on it.

Very thought provoking statement, mama

 

[sravna]

What is absurdity? People who believe that physical world is an illusion see the act of material people as absurd. Are they more likely to commit atrocities? Can i say all their messages are spam? That would be absurd.

 

[sravna]

Shri Confused16 indeed wants a real answer

 

[sravna]

It is a real question. The choice of word absurdity, in the original statement , does open up the statement to such interpretations?

Missed it. Well said

 

[prasad1]

So far no member has called your messages as spam.
Mutual respect is important in human interaction.

If we dont align with a message, we could ignore it or read it to see if there is something we could actually learn from it..if we really dont find it beneficial, then we can clear it from the cache of our mind.

That is the reason I have not joined this thread. https://masterclass.ted.com/blog/co...the speaker over what matters to the audience.

 

[prasad1]

That is the reason I have not joined this thread. https://masterclass.ted.com/blog/communication-vs-pontification#:~:text=Pontification expresses opinions or judgments. It’s less of,the speaker over what matters to the audience.

I should not be posting this Doha, as I have been guilty of this crime.

खीरा सिर ते काटि के, मलियत लौंन लगाय।
रहिमन करुए मुखन को, चाहिए यही सजाय।।
अर्थ : खीरे की कड़वाहट दूर करने के लिए उसके ऊपरी सिरे को काटकर उस पर नमक मलते हैं। रहीम कहते हैं कि कटु वचन बोलने वाले के लिए यही दण्ड उचित है।

Couplets of Rahim with English Meaning
Khira Sir te katiye, maliyat loan lagay.
rahiman Karve mukhan ko, chahie yahi sajay.
Meaning : To remove the bitterness of cucumber, its upper end is cut and salt is rubbed on it. Rahim says that this is the appropriate punishment for the one who speaks harsh words.

 

[a-TB]

It is a real question. The choice of word absurdity, in the original statement , does open up the statement to such interpretations?

You cannot apply liberality when interpreting a philosopher's statement. The title of this thread is based on a quote attributed to Voltaire, and I assume you’ve reviewed all the posts and their relevance as discussed through earlier examples.

Liberality cannot be applied to grasp the essence of a philosopher's assertions. Literality belongs to the realm of dogmatic processes. In rituals, the starting point is literal interpretation, with specific "dos and don'ts" prescribed. There are no options here.

In the initial thread you started, I encouraged you to continue performing the Sandhyavandanam ritual daily. Once a day is sufficient. Performing the ritual correctly requires learning to chant properly and follow the procedures with sincerity. The next stage is practicing it with understanding. Even without full comprehension, the desire or quest to understand is, in itself, a valuable starting point.

Offering Argyam is a part of this ritual. Now, consider what motivates you to perform it. If you are content with the procedure and believe you are offering water to the sun, which is a burning ball of fusion energy located 93 million miles from Earth, that is a belief—albeit an absurd one. However, if you seek to understand the significance of offering Argyam, it ceases to be absurd. The critical difference lies not in understanding but in the act of seeking understanding. If you wish to delve into the meaning of offering Argyam or similar aspects, you can explore this in your first thread.

An absurd belief by itself does not lead someone to commit atrocities. You have to examine the beliefs you are holding in life now.

This perspective is consistent with the teachings of Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita.

Vedanta, which revolves around the study of life, does not oppose Yukthi (logic). In fact, illogical beliefs are obstacles to discovering the truth.

As human beings, unless impaired, we are endowed with the power to think. This unique human ability—discernment, or Viveka—is the greatest gift of human existence. Those who neglect the use of this God-given Viveka are referred to as Krupanah by Krishna, meaning wretchedness. A life devoid of this discernment is, in essence, wasted.

An essential part of this discernment is the capacity to differentiate between what is absurd and what is not. If you have other questions about this feel free to ask, Any specifics about ritual you are trying to practice you can direct at your own first thread . All the best!

 

[a-TB]

Pardon spelling mistake above. It is literality. Not liberality. Literality meaning literal interpretation.

 

[renuka]

It is a real question. The choice of word absurdity, in the original statement , does open up the statement to such interpretations?

Dear sir,
I dont know why but I would not want to address you as Confused 16..you dont seem confused at all .

Anyway..my sincere advise to you is continue doing what resonates with you.
You might find advise in this thread that doesnt encourage the mindset of do's and don'ts only to be replaced by another set of do's and don'ts.

At the beginning of any deeper understanding we do train ourselves to be more adherent and in this process there are some basic do's and don'ts.
None of this is absurd..its just training grounds.

Once our mind is adherent to our practice, we naturally experience a shift in our perception and insights will unfold itself to us..this process is continous.

Some may call offering water to the sun absurd if we think we can actually offer physical water to the sun.
To me its not absurd.
One can even write poetry on it.
It wont sound absurd anymore.

Let me give you an example..take a look at this lyrics of song praising Lord Shiva.

"Pyaas kya ho tujhe. Ganga hai teri jataaon mein
What is thirst to you when Ganga flows through your locks"

Can we say.." How absurd! How could anyone think Shiva feels thirsty?"

But at the same time there is no harm to learn about the subtle meanings of any ritual without the need to lable anything as absurd.

Sometimes when we analyse too much, we just forget the journey.
The mind is our best friend and our worst enemy.
It likes to feel special..at times a well develop over analytical intellect hijacks its own self realization.
We shouldnt end up knowing all about a rose yet forget to experience its fragrance.

 

[sravna]

Too much analysis indeed makes you miss the big picture and the finer aspects. Without that you miss and fail to appreciate the essence. As Renuka beautifully sums it up you end up knowing all about a rose yet fail to appreciate its fragrance.

 

[sravna]

There has to be a parallel discipline to science that sees the whole. Without that balance knowledge becomes biased and not representative of truth. Spirituality with its holistic approach fits the bill but still the integration between science and spirituality has to happen.

Till then people will grow up with myopic views and convinced of the superiority of their perspective.

 

[sravna]

Adharmic people are of different types when it comes to aggression. Ones who openly air their views and directly engage in confrontation but remain dogmatic. Others who lack spine or manliness whatever you call it and make snide remarks.

That's the way adharma operates for lack of substance.

 

[renuka]

Adharmic people are of different types when it comes to aggression. Ones who openly air their views and directly engage in confrontation but remain dogmatic. Others who lack spine or manliness whatever you call it and make snide remarks.

That's the way adharma operates for lack of substance.

Sravna..lets refrain from using words like Adharma, spineless, lack of manliness etc..its no different from using words like spam messages.
We should strive to go beyond all these name calling, otherwise its no use we thread the spiritual path.

 

[sravna]

Spirituality is as much about not giving up dignity under attack as it is about being dignified. These people exploit the weakness of the spiritual people who tolerate and remain calm when attacked.

But your point is well taken.

 

[renuka]

Spirituality is as much about not giving up dignity under attack as it is about being dignified. These people exploit the weakness of the spiritual people who tolerate and remain calm when attacked.

But your point is well taken.

Agreed but sometimes our own Ahamkara presents itself as Dignity.

Dignity responds..Ahamkara reacts.

There is a subtle difference between Responding and Reacting.

 

[sravna]

Agreed but sometimes our own Ahamkara presents itself as Dignity.

Dignity responds..Ahamkara reacts.

There is a subtle difference between Responding and Reacting.

You are right about the subtle distinction. To see that discrimination is needed. What do you say?