perumal murugan rescinds

[V.Balasubramani]

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hi

see the latest from dmk stand point....


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Sir,


Will he stand to his point boldly and express his opinion loudly and elaborately during the Srirangam Election campaign, more particularly at Srirangam?

 

[sarang]

Perhaps a little more specific examples and clarifications will help in continuing further.
For the first time under bjp and RSS influence caste and brahmin are kept out of politics and governance. Maharashtra has a brahmin CM, possible because the numerically strong Marathas have understood caste-less politics. Media moans that for the first time haryana has a non jat CM. Defence minister is a brahmin. But only Hindu hater sardesaibtweets about it. Bjp and RSS have pan Hindu appeal and do not encourage or indulge in caste based politics. This is good for the nation.
Mayawati wants dalits and brahmins to unite against the yadhavs. Brahmins will not fall for this. Only the other day, in all India dalit sammelan, amit shah was the chief guest.
Brahmins as per our tradition must keep out of caste politics of the so called secular parties and work for equal opportunities for all and removal of reservation. And help fellow brahmins in need in ways possible. Each community has its own strengths and brahmins must exercise them for their own and country's benefit.

Vaagmi, do i have to give you, go check your cache...proly you dont keep count of your anon nicks? Search and you will find if you really meant that

poor innocent non-brahmin Tamil people... this is what make you what you are...

Your reply shows one of the following:

1. Your inherent contempt for non-brahmins and confidence about your online debating skills (or)
2. Your lack of intellect

That was just a message that you could use it for good and it comes from a well wisher. I am not here to debate and establish something thats well known and openly spoken about in Tamilnadu now. The idea that Brahmins Vs the rest is gaining ground very rapidly, do not be fooled by BJP's or RSS's growth...Taimlnadu BJP will be taken over by non-brahmins very soon and they will be independent of you...

actually what happened in Taimlnadu (Dravidian politics) is going to become a pan india movement ...people have already started questioning...Didnt you see Bihar CM's speech?

try to get along well with people...

 

[sarang]

We have a new crusader, the pope. His recent pronouncements, freedom of speech is not unconditional, violence is justified when religion is abused and one more.

literary forums in tamilnadu and karnataka are coming out in favour of P.Murugan

even political leader sri stalin of dravidian party has come out in support of freedom of expresion and pointed to liberal attitude of tamils towards dissent in writings, He has spoken supporting P.murugans'right to free expression

this intolerance of higher castes will vitiate the atmosphere in tamilnadu and it will go the way of northern states with no law and order

hope it does not happen

 

[sarang]

The new govt did not interfere in PK MSG. Red Saree has been published in India after a seven year ban. Minister for IB has said that the new govt is keeping an arms distance from all indepedent institutions. What is expected from the tamilnadu govt?

 

[vgane]

actually what happened in Taimlnadu (Dravidian politics) is going to become a pan india movement ...people have already started questioning...Didnt you see Bihar CM's speech?

try to get along well with people...

I think you are issuing a threat in the Brahmin forum...Because of the B-NB divide in TN which was the brain child of the evangelist Christian missionaries and some stooges of the British (I guess you are not one), you are suffocating the NB who are hesitant in learning Hindi and assimilating with the rest of the populace ..You make NB the loser while in all other Southern states be it Andhra, Karnataka the NB's have advanced much more

Also your example about Bihar is misplaced...The Bihar CM is a Mahadalit who was having issues in his party (Janata Dal (United)..He is on his way out..He has no voice in his own party..If you are a friend of him, at the least you should learn his language before commenting about him!

21st century is not the same as 20th century!

 

[vgane]

Will they read the same n any town in Tamil Nadu without causing any form of loss including verbal, physical threats, attacks to the organizers

Perumal Murugan’s novel to be read at Biennale


Novelist and academic Perumal Murugan’s Tamil novel ‘Madhorubhagan’, which was in the middle of a storm last week after its English rendering, ‘One Part Woman’ was sought to be banned, will be read at a Kochi Biennale session on Saturday.


Following protests by right wing groups, Mr. Murugan was forced to declare on his Facebook wall that the ‘writer’ [in him] was dead and that he had stopped writing. He also made clear his willingness to buy back all unsold copies of his old works. On Saturday at 12 noon, Malayalam writers led by N.S. Madhavan, author of the famed short story ‘Thiruthu’ (correction), will read from the English rendering of Mr. Murugan’s work at the Aspinwall Pavilion.


Set in ancient Tiruchengode in Tamil Nadu, Mr. Murugan’s native town, ‘Madhorubhagan’ has an episode based on an ancient local temple ritual in which childless women are consummated by men other than their husbands for conception.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities...vel-to-be-read-at-biennale/article6796218.ece

 

[Vaagmi]

Carvaka,

Your post #45 and 47:

This is my reply:

In reply to your first post I asked you for proof of your allegation against the Tamil Brahmins. You have not given it yet. Not even the links. Instead you have asked me to read my own posts. That is not a reply. So I take it that you have no reply. Naturally the question follows as to why should you tell a lie coming here. Does it not prove that the NBs of Tamil Country like you are not only liers but also people who try to be smart to hood wink the dalits and Brahmins?

You have wailed about the destruction of the Dravidian parties and their so called ideology. The name Dravidian is a misnomer. There was nothing Dravidian about those parties nor did they have any ideology. They were parties of middle castes of telugu origin who were bent on selling the opium of caste hatred in Tamilnadu to make a few bucks quickly.

It is a compulsion of the times that Dravidian parties are in the wane. The sheer march of time has given dalits the wisdom and brahmins their greencards. These so called Dravidian parties have fattened themselves – touch any vattam or mavattam of these parties and you will know what it means to be in the party, yeah, just to get civil contracts, tasmac licences, and earning commission for fixing odd favours—and they have no time for tamils . Naturally they have to move and give way to others to come and rule, and try to do some good for tamils. My advice to you is just try to move with times. That will atleast help you get a few civil contracts and fatten yourself too.

In Tamilnadu it is not Brahmin versus others that is gaining ground as your wishful thinking imagines. It is dalits versus middle castes which is gaining ground. Read newspapers once again about the riots in Dharmapuri and the Ilavarasan episode or about the vachathi masacre. Dalits know who is behind the two tumbler system in village tea shops, they know who comes and knock on the doors of their huts when it is sun down to forcibly take away their women, they know who rules the state really because every complaint given at the village level about caste atrocities goes unanswered, they know who owns the nation’s valuable resources like land and capital in a disproportionate share to their population size. Have you lived in a village? In my village it is the right of a middle caste landowner to go to any house in the chery at night and as soon as he gets in the leader of the family has to get out for the night. This is not the Tamil cenema but real life. Arrogance knows no limit.

Naturally I have no respect for such parasites on my society. Yes you said it right. I have contempt for them. And you are wondering why I have contempt. Well that shows your true colors.

And importantly your arrogance mocks at my “anon ricks”. This is precisely the problem with you and the likes of you. Because I remain anonymous you are unable to touch me. Otherwise it would have been probably எலே என்னலே, வந்து கதவ தட்டரொம்லெ. பார்ப்போமா? kind of nonsense. But let me tell you I have no fear. Do you want my name and address? Let me know I will cure you of your anon rick syndrome.

My lack of intellect is my problem. Don’t worry about it. You have yourself a lot to improve. In one sentence you are telling that BJP and RSS are going to be taken over by your crowd and in the next sentence it is going to be Dravidian politics all over India. You are confused. Decide first where your heart lies first and then come here.

And what you said about Bihar CM makes me laugh. He was reading out what his masters gave him. The masters are Lalu and Nitish. In other words Yadavs and other middle castes.

And remember to give the references that I asked for to prove that you are not a lier. LOL.

 

[krish44]

Perhaps a little more specific examples and clarifications will help in continuing further.
For the first time under bjp and RSS influence caste and brahmin are kept out of politics and governance. Maharashtra has a brahmin CM, possible because the numerically strong Marathas have understood caste-less politics. Media moans that for the first time haryana has a non jat CM. Defence minister is a brahmin. But only Hindu hater sardesaibtweets about it. Bjp and RSS have pan Hindu appeal and do not encourage or indulge in caste based politics. This is good for the nation.
Mayawati wants dalits and brahmins to unite against the yadhavs. Brahmins will not fall for this. Only the other day, in all India dalit sammelan, amit shah was the chief guest.
Brahmins as per our tradition must keep out of caste politics of the so called secular parties and work for equal opportunities for all and removal of reservation. And help fellow brahmins in need in ways possible. Each community has its own strengths and brahmins must exercise them for their own and country's benefit.

frankly , the issue of reservation for intermediate castes in education and jobs requires a relook.

in fact in engg colleges there is hardly 2or3 percentile marks difference in marks of forward

and intermediate castes. onle sc/st, tribals etc require some help.

we can have reservations for a minute number of disadvantaged people[less than 20 percent] and

others can come up on their own merit

it would be good for the country if merit is made the criterion. social justice can be assured for a

small really deserving

 

[krish44]

Carvaka,

Your post #45 and 47:

This is my reply:

In reply to your first post I asked you for proof of your allegation against the Tamil Brahmins. You have not given it yet. Not even the links. Instead you have asked me to read my own posts. That is not a reply. So I take it that you have no reply. Naturally the question follows as to why should you tell a lie coming here. Does it not prove that the NBs of Tamil Country like you are not only liers but also people who try to be smart to hood wink the dalits and Brahmins?

You have wailed about the destruction of the Dravidian parties and their so called ideology. The name Dravidian is a misnomer. There was nothing Dravidian about those parties nor did they have any ideology. They were parties of middle castes of telugu origin who were bent on selling the opium of caste hatred in Tamilnadu to make a few bucks quickly.

It is a compulsion of the times that Dravidian parties are in the wane. The sheer march of time has given dalits the wisdom and brahmins their greencards. These so called Dravidian parties have fattened themselves – touch any vattam or mavattam of these parties and you will know what it means to be in the party, yeah, just to get civil contracts, tasmac licences, and earning commission for fixing odd favours—and they have no time for tamils . Naturally they have to move and give way to others to come and rule, and try to do some good for tamils. My advice to you is just try to move with times. That will atleast help you get a few civil contracts and fatten yourself too.

In Tamilnadu it is not Brahmin versus others that is gaining ground as your wishful thinking imagines. It is dalits versus middle castes which is gaining ground. Read newspapers once again about the riots in Dharmapuri and the Ilavarasan episode or about the vachathi masacre. Dalits know who is behind the two tumbler system in village tea shops, they know who comes and knock on the doors of their huts when it is sun down to forcibly take away their women, they know who rules the state really because every complaint given at the village level about caste atrocities goes unanswered, they know who owns the nation’s valuable resources like land and capital in a disproportionate share to their population size. Have you lived in a village? In my village it is the right of a middle caste landowner to go to any house in the chery at night and as soon as he gets in the leader of the family has to get out for the night. This is not the Tamil cenema but real life. Arrogance knows no limit.

Naturally I have no respect for such parasites on my society. Yes you said it right. I have contempt for them. And you are wondering why I have contempt. Well that shows your true colors.

And importantly your arrogance mocks at my “anon ricks”. This is precisely the problem with you and the likes of you. Because I remain anonymous you are unable to touch me. Otherwise it would have been probably எலே என்னலே, வந்து கதவ தட்டரொம்லெ. பார்ப்போமா? kind of nonsense. But let me tell you I have no fear. Do you want my name and address? Let me know I will cure you of your anon rick syndrome.

My lack of intellect is my problem. Don’t worry about it. You have yourself a lot to improve. In one sentence you are telling that BJP and RSS are going to be taken over by your crowd and in the next sentence it is going to be Dravidian politics all over India. You are confused. Decide first where your heart lies first and then come here.

And what you said about Bihar CM makes me laugh. He was reading out what his masters gave him. The masters are Lalu and Nitish. In other words Yadavs and other middle castes.

And remember to give the references that I asked for to prove that you are not a lier. LOL.

vaagmiji

it appears that your post has been written expressing in very harsh blunt words your thoughts.

there appears to be a lot of truth in your reasoning that inter mediate castes and some telegus

calling themselve dravidians have gained enormously at the expense of brahmins and dalits.

now with emergence of bjp at the centre and some states, brahmins feel liberated in tamilnadu.

[you are calling it green card.lol] and dalits are putting up a fight realising intermediate castes are

their enemies and are demanding their pound of flesh.

these factors will lead to further tensions in society in tamilnadu leading to an all out caste war.

who loses. only a few economically poor bahmins and dalits who will have take the brunt of caste

violence if it erupts.

tamilnadu has been relatively peaceful. all these happenings will lead to a violent society withh breakdown of law and order.

it will become as bad as UP or bihar.

probably tamilnadu is better off without caste wars.

 

[tks]

Dear Sri K
Interesting opening post to read.
Like Sri KB said a simple change of specific name and place to fictional ones will be a reasonable thing to do and then the novel will not affect anyone's sensibilities.

Also if there was such a practice of attempting to conceive anonymously without any other motive and that too in a temple ( with a deity as witness in their mind) I think there is nothing immoral about the act itself. I know people will differ but the dirt is in their thinking

 

[vgane]

I liked the specific comment shared in the BBC article...Why should we criticize one's own caste and show it in poor light...This applies equally to our own pseudo Brahmins

Quote

A regional party leader says Murugan's negative writing about his own caste and its women is a result of his marriage to a woman from another caste. "He intentionally hurt the feelings of the community. One should not write bad things about one's own community or write about things that did not actually take place," says GK Nagaraj of the KJK Party

Unquote

BBC News - Who 'killed' Indian author Perumal Murugan?

 

[vgane]

Tamil Nadu has witnessed several such incidents in the recent past. An incumbent chief minister was forced to back down in the face of prolonged caste riots over the naming of a state road corporation after a dalit leader. A brahmin author was forced to discontinue a serialized novel in a weekly magazine at the insistence of a caste group which felt slighted by its contents. In 2012, a rioting caste mob vandalized a dalit village because a boy who lived there married a girl from the community. He was later found dead under suspicious circumstances. The assault on Murugan can be seen as a similar act of resentment.

Who killed Perumal? - The Times of India

 

[vgane]

 

[Brahmanyan]

Though the Author has rescinded from writing Novels,This book has been uploaded in some Tamil Internet websites for reading.


Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[V.Balasubramani]

சட்டம் மட்டுமே எழுத்தைக் கட்டுப்படுத்தும்: 'மாதொருபாகன்' வழக்கில் உயர் நீதிமன்றம் கருத்து

சட்டத்தை தவிர வேறு யாரும் எழுத்துக்கு கட்டுப்பாட்டை நிர்ணயிக்க முடியாது என்று 'மாதொருபாகன்' நாவல் தொடர்பான வழக்கில், சென்னை உயர் நீதிமன்றம் கருத்து தெரிவித்துள்ளது.

மேலும், 'மாதொருபாகன்' நாவல் விவகாரத்தில் அமைதிக் குழு கூட்டத்தின் முடிவை எதிர்த்து தொடரப்பட்ட இந்த வழக்கில் எழுத்தாளர் பெருமாள் முருகனையும் சேர்க்க உயர் நீதிமன்றம் உத்தரவிட்டது.

இது தொடர்பான வழக்கு இன்று (செவ்வாய்க்கிழமை) சென்னை உயர் நீதிமன்ற தலைமை நீதிபதி எஸ்.கே.கவுல், நீதிபதி சுந்தரேஷ் அமர்வு முன்பு விசாரணைக்கு வந்தது.

அப்போது, சட்டம் - ஒழுங்கைப் பாதுகாக்கவே அமைதிக் குழு கூட்டத்தில் முடிவு எடுக்கப்பட்டது என்று அரசு தரப்பில் விளக்கம் அளிக்கப்பட்டது.

அதில் அதிருப்தியுற்ற நீதிபதிகள், 'எதை எழுதுவது, எழுதக் கூடாது என்பதை சட்டத்தால் மட்டுமே முடிவு செய்ய முடியும்.

சட்டத்தை தவிர வேறு யாரும் நிர்ணயிக்க முடியாது' என்று அழுத்தமாக கருத்தைப் பதிவு செய்தனர்.

மேலும் படிக்க : http://tamil.thehindu.com/tamilnadu/சட்டம்-மட்டுமே-எழுத்தைக்-கட்டுப்படுத்தும்-மாதொருபாகன்-வழக்கில்-உயர்-நீதிமன்றம்-கருத்து/article6805029.ece

 

[krish44]

due to poor quality of executive decisions,it is ultimateley the judiciary which has to intervene

luckily we have excellent judges for social interest litigation.

equally it may be recalled that govt got rapped on the knuckles on green peace case by the court in

delhi

 

[V.Balasubramani]

While any one is free to approach the Court , it is not known why the author has not personaly resorted to such a remedy if he believes he has a strong case??

Thank God now that as the case has been taken up by the Court, it will be dealt in detail and shall decide/prescribe the limit to permit authors in presenting their fictions taking into consideration protecting the interest of both the freedom of expression and the religious sentiments of the general public in the locality.

It is reported in the news that the Court has declined to grant an interim stay of the operation of the peace committee decision.

 

[Naina_Marbus]

.......
even political leader sri stalin of dravidian party has come out in support of freedom of expresion ....

What Stalin did was to shed "crocodile tears". (Reluctantly) he came out in support several days after
the affair was raging news, and after severe criticism from various quarters as to why the dravidian
parties were silent on the issue. For all these guys, caste is a useful stick to wield when brahmins
are involved, otherwise, that is what they like to maintain.

 

[sarang]

But maintaining law and order is govt's responsibility, and freedom has to take a second place. There are judgments upholding both. Many a time the court instructs the litigants to compromise for a negotiated solution. PM, I think, will exercise his freedom to withdraw (he has already done it) the book and revise his willingness to resurrect as a writer with more caution. If the whole district decides to boycott him and his family, he may have to relocate. At least he need not fear for his life or violence, as faced by rushdie and European writers and cartoonists, or the bloke getting 50 lashes every week in Saudi arabia.

 

[Brahmanyan]

அருள்மிகு அர்த்தநாரீஸ்வரர் திருக்கோயில்

அருள்மிகு அர்த்தநாரீஸ்வரர் திருக்கோயில், திருச்செங்கோடு, கொடிமாடச் செங்குன்றூர் என்றும் அழைக்கப்படும் திருத்தலம் நாமக்கல் மாவட்டத்தில் உள்ளது. இவ்வற்புதமான ஆலயத்தில் சக்தியோடிணைந்த சிவபெருமான் அருள்புரிகிறார். கொங்குநாட்டில் உள்ள சிவாலயங்களில் முக்கியமான ஒன்றாக விளங்குகிறது.
"கணவன் மனைவி ஒற்றுமைக்காகவும், நாகதோஷம், இராகு-தோஷம், காள சர்ப்ப தோஷம், களத்திர தோஷத்தால் பாதிக்கப்பட்டவர்கள் இங்கு வழிபாடு செய்கின்றனர்."

தேவாரப்பாடல் பெற்ற கொங்கு நாட்டுத்தலங்களில் இது நாலாவது திருத்தலம்.

ஓங்கிய மூவிலை நற்சூலம் ஒருகையன் சென்னி தாங்கிய கங்கையொடு மதியம் சடைக்கணிந்து கோங்கணவும் பொழில்சூழ் கொடிமாடச் செங்குன்றூர் வாய்ந்த பாங்கன் தாள்தொழுவர் வினையாய பற்றறுமே.
-திருஞானசம்பந்தர்
மிக அற்புதமான சிற்பங்களை உடைய இத்திருக்கோயில் 1000 வருடங்களுக்கு மேல் பழமையானதாக
நம்பப்படுகிறது .

ப்ரஹ்மண்யன்
பெங்களூரு .

 

[sarang]

Temple well patronized and worth visiting. Rajaji spent sometime in tiruchengode, edited and published a magazine.

அருள்மிகு அர்த்தநாரீஸ்வரர் திருக்கோயில்

அருள்மிகு அர்த்தநாரீஸ்வரர் திருக்கோயில், திருச்செங்கோடு, கொடிமாடச் செங்குன்றூர் என்றும் அழைக்கப்படும் திருத்தலம் நாமக்கல் மாவட்டத்தில் உள்ளது. இவ்வற்புதமான ஆலயத்தில் சக்தியோடிணைந்த சிவபெருமான் அருள்புரிகிறார். கொங்குநாட்டில் உள்ள சிவாலயங்களில் முக்கியமான ஒன்றாக விளங்குகிறது.
"கணவன் மனைவி ஒற்றுமைக்காகவும், நாகதோஷம், இராகு-தோஷம், காள சர்ப்ப தோஷம், களத்திர தோஷத்தால் பாதிக்கப்பட்டவர்கள் இங்கு வழிபாடு செய்கின்றனர்."

தேவாரப்பாடல் பெற்ற கொங்கு நாட்டுத்தலங்களில் இது நாலாவது திருத்தலம்.

ஓங்கிய மூவிலை நற்சூலம் ஒருகையன் சென்னி தாங்கிய கங்கையொடு மதியம் சடைக்கணிந்து கோங்கணவும் பொழில்சூழ் கொடிமாடச் செங்குன்றூர் வாய்ந்த பாங்கன் தாள்தொழுவர் வினையாய பற்றறுமே.
-திருஞானசம்பந்தர்
மிக அற்புதமான சிற்பங்களை உடைய இத்திருக்கோயில் 1000 வருடங்களுக்கு மேல் பழமையானதாக
நம்பப்படுகிறது .

ப்ரஹ்மண்யன்
பெங்களூரு .

 

[Brahmanyan]

But maintaining law and order is govt's responsibility, and freedom has to take a second place. There are judgments upholding both. Many a time the court instructs the litigants to compromise for a negotiated solution. PM, I think, will exercise his freedom to withdraw (he has already done it) the book and revise his willingness to resurrect as a writer with more caution. If the whole district decides to boycott him and his family, he may have to relocate. At least he need not fear for his life or violence, as faced by rushdie and European writers and cartoonists, or the bloke getting 50 lashes every week in Saudi arabia.

Freedom of expression under Article 19 of the Constitution is not absolute, it has to balance with other rights
as well.
Here is an excerpt, I give below, from a well analysed article on the subject by Anahita Mathai LLB (Hons),a Research Intern at Observer Research Foundation.

"Nevertheless,the right to free speech and expression does not exist in a vacuum, and must be
balanced with other rights. It is in maintaining this balance that the idea of responsibility as part of a
right comes into play. Thus the tension between freedom of expression and intervention by
authorities remains. As noted above, the reasonableness of restrictions on freedom of speech are
decided on a case by case basis. Any intervention by the state would be dictated by societal standards
of acceptability. The laws currently in place show the state will step in to prevent violence and harm
to reputations. The popular reactions to other government measures, such as the policing of the
internet, show that in these cases the government seems to be going too far."

Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[Naina_Marbus]

Freedom of expression under Article 19 of the Constitution is not absolute, it has to balance with other rights
as well.
Any intervention by the state would be dictated by societal standards of acceptability. The laws currently in place show the state will step in to prevent violence and harm
to reputations...."

Just curious: How does the above statement square up with the statement by the High Court which declared: சட்டத்தை தவிர வேறு யாரும் எழுத்துக்கு கட்டுப்பாட்டை நிர்ணயிக்க முடியாது என்று 'மாதொருபாகன்' நாவல் தொடர்பான வழக்கில், சென்னை உயர் நீதிமன்றம் கருத்து தெரிவித்துள்ளது.

 

[sarang]

It just means nobody can take law into their hands. Same as khap panchayats. Namakkal public cannot dictate terms, but have to accept what the court rules. PM has two choices. Defy local community which seems to be strongly united and face seclusion or accept community's demands. His supporters deliberately bring in hindutva and sangh parivar, and this has already weakened his case.

Just curious: How does the above statement square up with the statement by the High Court which declared: சட்டத்தை தவிர வேறு யாரும் எழுத்துக்கு கட்டுப்பாட்டை நிர்ணயிக்க முடியாது என்று 'மாதொருபாகன்' நாவல் தொடர்பான வழக்கில், சென்னை உயர் நீதிமன்றம் கருத்து தெரிவித்துள்ளது.

 

[Vaagmi]

A few years back there was a strong news cum hearsay in circulation in Tamilnadu. News because it was well spread all over the state. Hearsay because no one knows who said it or spread it. The news was that there was a practice ofm giving the Cactus juice to newborn girl babies immediately after birth to kill them because of preference for male children. This was said to be videly practiced among certain caste groups in Madurai and Ramnad districts predominently.

No one among the communities named took to their heads that it was tarnishing the image of the community and there were no protests. There were budding poets writing reams of new kavithai about the karisalkaattu girl child getting killed by the karisalkaattu cactus etc.,

Perhaps it was not serious then because it was after all girl babies who were killed. Now it becomes very painful when PMurugan writes about a practice without in any way judging it because it put a question mark on the birth of every "selfrespecting"male in that region. LOL. and kazhagam poets who will write long winding poetries about the karppu of tamil women are keeping a loud deafening silence over the matter. We change our principles because they are just shirts of convenience to cover up our greed for something else.