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vgane said:
Renukaji,

You have clarified that you gave him money for his honesty...But that money was used for a vice..Had it been for food or education (helping some one to pay tuition fees) I would have complimented...But whom am I to judge your philanthropy..Both the donor & benefactor are happy! So why should I spoil the happiness! Hence no comments! I hope you understand my POV
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Why is drinking a vice? If you say it confuses the mind or leads one to do wrong then anything that clouds our intellect (or makes us do wrong) is a vice.

For eg:

Highly educated individuals use their knowledge and expertise to fraud the system. Hence education is a vice.

Highly emotional individuals take wrong decisions that could ruin lives. Hence, emotion is a vice.

Overly religious individuals become callous due to indoctrination. Hence, religion is a vice.

Are you in line with this?
 
Dear Shri Auh,

That is the reason we speak in an abstract way of six inner enemies which cause the clouding of mind. Drinking is a vice because it always activates your inner enemy and always makes you lose self control. So it is a vice. But the same thing cannot be said of education or others you have mentioned.
 
sravna said:
Dear Shri Auh,

That is the reason we speak in an abstract way of six inner enemies which cause the clouding of mind. Drinking is a vice because it always activates your inner enemy and always makes you lose self control. So it is a vice. But the same thing cannot be said of education or others you have mentioned.
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For me, it activates a good feeling... of enjoyment. I do not consider enjoyment to be my enemy. Actually, drinking exposes the true nature of an individual. In a way.

No sir. Not a vice at all.
 
auh said:
For me, it activates a good feeling... of enjoyment. I do not consider enjoyment to be my enemy. Actually, drinking exposes the true nature of an individual. In a way.

No sir. Not a vice at all.
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Dear Shri Auh,

It is known that drinking is an addictive habit and it can cause you to lose self control. There are so many people who do lose self control. It can prompt you to do only immoral acts and not otherwise.
 
Every year during Deepavali, I used to donate for Sivananda Sevashram. This gives IT exemption too i.e. 50%.
 
auh said:
Why is drinking a vice? If you say it confuses the mind or leads one to do wrong then anything that clouds our intellect (or makes us do wrong) is a vice.

For eg:

Highly educated individuals use their knowledge and expertise to fraud the system. Hence education is a vice.

Highly emotional individuals take wrong decisions that could ruin lives. Hence, emotion is a vice.

Overly religious individuals become callous due to indoctrination. Hence, religion is a vice.

Are you in line with this?
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From a traditional standpoint drinking alcohol, consuming tobacco & gambling are considered vices...But there are other vices too..Like disloyalty, anger, arrogance, greed, jealousy, vanity, impatience are all vices..As regards the examples that you quoted I think the root cause is different from what you have stated:

1. In case of fraudsters greed is the vice that resulted in a crime being committed despite being educated
2. I would be more specific...Instead of emotion we can pin it down to impatience or recklessness that causes a wrong decision
3. Being superstitious may be root cause rather than blaming religion
 
vgane said:
From a traditional standpoint drinking alcohol, consuming tobacco & gambling are considered vices...But there are other vices too..Like disloyalty, anger, arrogance, greed, jealousy, vanity, impatience are all vices..As regards the examples that you quoted I think the root cause is different from what you have stated:

1. In case of fraudsters greed is the vice that resulted in a crime being committed despite being educated
2. I would be more specific...Instead of emotion we can pin it down to impatience or recklessness that causes a wrong decision
3. Being superstitious may be root cause rather than blaming religion
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Good ! Let us consider pt. 1. The others may be case-dependent.

Greed = Excessive desire. But desire is not a vice; it becomes only when it is in excess.

Now, in the same manner, can we also say that "drinking" is not a vice, but drinking without knowning limits (and beyond it) is?
 
Sravna,
I think the original intent of you starting this thread of discussion was to get an assessment of the extent of Charity that TB's are doing individually so that you can come up with collective total assessment of the Charitable Nature of TB's.
I am sorry to observe that the above discussions going on in #33 are not relevant to this specific thread initiated by you.
You might pitch in as a moderator!
 
raysundar said:
Sravna,
I think the original intent of you starting this thread of discussion was to get an assessment of the extent of Charity that TB's are doing individually so that you can come up with collective total assessment of the Charitable Nature of TB's.
I am sorry to observe that the above discussions going on in #33 are not relevant to this specific thread initiated by you.
You might pitch in as a moderator!
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Dear Raysundar,

Diversions are undesirable. They eventually take you totally off the topic and the purpose of starting the topic is lost. Let us believe members will stick to the topic under discussion.
 
Ok Sravna...let me reveal my charity record.

Its not only giving the alcoholic money for quarter cutting on Diwali!LOL

Usually I try not to talk about charity cos I dont want it to become a Punyam for me cos I seek no Punyam or Papam.

But since everyone is sharing here..so no big deal if I share my charity record.

I have made donations for a heart operation here...also donation for a girl to get her blind eye operated upon in India..another friend of mine organized a charity event via a religious organization from India and we came up with a good amount of donation for the girl but sadly she could nor regain her eye sight...made donations to an orphanage for buying school uniform etc.

Also once I gave a person who repeatedly got sexually transmitted diseases a free box of condoms and he never got STD again cos he saw I was serious of getting him treated.

In India during one of my visits I donated to ISCKON Akshaya Patra and also I bought a poor lady there 1 months supply of her BP medication.

Lastly few years ago I made a donation to a Veda Pathashala in Blore.

So besides the quarter cutting case..I have made donations too.
 
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To do charity is a noble deed but not to speak about speaks volumes about you. Keep it up Renuka!
 
sravna said:
To do charity is a noble deed but not to speak about speaks volumes about you. Keep it up Renuka!
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Dear Sravna,

When we do charity...its actually easy to feel good about it...feeling good comes with a risk...that is did we do charity to make ourselves feel better that we are in a better off position than others or did we do it for the sake of the needy?

So to save all the trouble the best is to imagine the needy/poor person is God and we are doing it for God..that way we can keep our feel good feeling under check...cos why get entangled with Punyam?

Punyam after all binds too..good or bad..Karma is Karma.

But this year...I have not done any charity yet...so your thread has encouraged me to donate.

Thanks to you too.
 
Folks ,

If like Renuka you think you do not want to openly reveal when you donate , you do not need to reveal your identity. Just let me know by email that you have donated whenever you donate. I can put up the numbers on the website.
 
Most contribute to charity to cover their guilt feelings that they are better off than others and sometimes feel their money is ill gotten and give some of it to earn some

punya.Actually they know they are fit case for entry to hell.

They say fool and his money will be parted fast. That goes for those who donate to far fetched causes imagining they are karna when their own relatives could do with

some of their money.

Most of charity is ill advised,

Business men create trusts to evade tax and pay their kin thru that
 
krish44 said:
Most contribute to charity to cover their guilt feelings that they are better off than others and sometimes feel their money is ill gotten and give some of it to earn some

punya.Actually they know they are fit case for entry to hell.

They say fool and his money will be parted fast. That goes for those who donate to far fetched causes imagining they are karna when their own relatives could do with

some of their money.

Most of charity is ill advised,

Business men create trusts to evade tax and pay their kin thru that
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Dear Shri Krish,

I appreciate your different point of view. But there is also a group who can empathize and my appeal is mainly to them.
 
Dear Sravna,

Krish ji has a valid point...we can make donations etc but one does not have to be a Karna.

So Sravna...till now I feel your 50% of your income is still too much.

I appreciate that you care for society but there are many ways of giving besides just giving people money.

May be you can give free tuition to poor students...that would be a form of charity too.
 
krish44 said:
Most contribute to charity to cover their guilt feelings that they are better off than others and sometimes feel their money is ill gotten and give some of it to earn some

punya.Actually they know they are fit case for entry to hell.

They say fool and his money will be parted fast. That goes for those who donate to far fetched causes imagining they are karna when their own relatives could do with

some of their money.

Most of charity is ill advised,

Business men create trusts to evade tax and pay their kin thru that
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I agree with you the Charity trusts of Businessmen are a ploy to evade tax..But as far as the Common man is concerned when he gives for charity it is mostly for a worthy cause...Amount is not important..But giving it from the heart is most redeeming..It is instantaneous...Even Organ donation is a form of charity
 
vgane said:
I agree with you the Charity trusts of Businessmen are a ploy to evade tax..But as far as the Common man is concerned when he gives for charity it is mostly for a worthy cause...Amount is not important..But giving it from the heart is most redeeming..It is instantaneous...Even Organ donation is a form of charity
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Well said Shri Ganesh Ji. I believe you can give as much till you feel you are giving too much. The threshold varies. It is basically based on your understanding of the world, understanding of the real sufferings of others and knowing how unfair the environment is to many people.
 
renuka said:
Dear Sravna,

Krish ji has a valid point...we can make donations etc but one does not have to be a Karna.

So Sravna...till now I feel your 50% of your income is still too much.

I appreciate that you care for society but there are many ways of giving besides just giving people money.

May be you can give free tuition to poor students...that would be a form of charity too.
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R,
Giving Free Tuition is actually 100% Charity!
I think Sravna needs money for Sustenance for his family too!.
I think 50% of income sounds like a stretch but still doable.
Many big Billionaires in US have pledged 90% or more of their wealth!
 
Sharing some uplifting info:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/joinA phone booth owner with physical disability has been donating Rs 50 every few months to Tata Memorial Hospital
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/joinA woman from a middle-class family saved Rs 25 from her daily household spend for 40 days and sent a cheque of Rs 1,000 to the country's top cancer treatment facility
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/joinAnother man with a meagre income dropped off a cheque of Rs 100 with a heartwarming letter on his endeavour to help cancer-stricken children
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/joinTwo weeks after a cancer char ity con sparked outrage and deepened many people's cyn icism about the city, inspira tional stories of generosity from everyday Mumbaikars emerged on Tuesday.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/joinFor months now, citizens with barely enough resources to support their own families have been sending small amounts of cash, food packets, fruits, and other items for cancer patients receiving care at Tata Memorial Hospital.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/joinThe small but important contributions have lifted the spirits of the patients, most of whom are poor, and the medical staff, who urged the city's affluent members to give more to charity.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/joinThe Parel hospital sees 60,000 new cancer patients every year. Patients from struggling families are treated without charge. Their care is funded by individual donors and corporates.Despite significant contributions, the hospital needs more resources to care for the growing number of people with cancer, whose treatments are long and expensive.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/joinMany big-hearted citizens with nominal incomes are trying to fill the gap with whatever they can spare in a city that was earlier this year ranked as the world's 17th most expensive place to live in.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/joinAndheri resident Hemant Mishra, who runs one of the last surviving public phone booths in the city, visited the hospital thrice last year to make three donations of Rs 50 each.The 51-year-old with a physical disability earns around Rs 25 a day.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/join“Today, almost everyone has a mobile; there is no money in the pay phone business. But I try to contribute whatever little I can to cancer care,“ he said. Despite his daily struggles, Mishra decided to donate to good causes after he lost his mother to brain cancer in 1994. “Everyone should try to do some charity. It's an emotionally rewarding experience,“ Mishra said.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/joinDuring one of his visits to the hospital, he dropped off a signed letter addressed to doctors and the management, saying: “Aap dayalu ho (You are very kind and generous).“
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/joinA Pune resident, who sent a cheque of Rs 100, also penned a heartwarming note. “My earnings are meagre, but I want to contribute to the great work you do and for the cause of treating cancer-stricken children,“ the good Samaritan wrote.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/joinTata Memorial's paediatric department runs a large programme to fund treatment of poor patients and offer nutritional meals.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/joinA 54-year-old Christian woman, who struggles to support her family, contributed Rs 1,000 to the programme recently. “My husband lost his job three months ago and it's very tough to manage with my salary. I have health problems, but god is great and I am able to get up every morning and go to work,“ reads the letter attached to the cheque sent by the woman, who lives in Goregaon.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/join“For Lent, some people give up eating meat, while some make small sacrifices. I thought of saving Rs 25 every day during the 40-day period and donate the final amount to the paediatric unit.“
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/joinRam Gopal Yadav, whose daughter Annu is undergoing treatment for bone cancer at Tata Memorial, thanked small and big donors for funding her care. “I would have never been able to pay for the treatment, which costs over Rs 5 lakh. My daughter is receiving care because of the generous people of Mumbai,“ Yadav, a small-time painter from UP, said.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/joinThe acts of giving by ordinary citizens stand in sharp contrast to the actions of two men who sought donations on local trains for a three-yearold cancer patient. The two men, who showed a fake Tata Memorial certificate to commuters, didn't transfer any collected money for the child's treatment. The cheats are members of a group that has collected Rs 10 lakh in the name of cancer treatment, but has not transferred any funds to the intended recipients.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/joinHumayun Jafri, Tata Memorial's public relations officer, said would-be donors should be wary of frauds, and make contributions directly to the hospital. He lauded the efforts by people like Mishra to make a difference.“It's a very touching gesture by Mishra. The staff has developed a bond with him. Recently, he informed us through a letter that his father had passed away,“ Jafri said.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/joinShalini Jatia, secretary of Improving Paediatric Cancer Care and Treatment (ImPaccT) Foundation, which was set up by Tata Memorial in 2010, said apart from small amounts of cash, everyday Mumbaikars also send nutritious food.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amdavadis4Ever/join“Last week, a woman donated Rs 300. People have also sent packets of chocolates and protein biscuits,“ Jatia.“One time, a 13-year-old patient handed the staff Rs 200 for the hospital fund. He didn't know his treatment was being funded by ImPaccT.“
 
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