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There’s no escaping racism in India


By Mari Marcel Thekaekara



India is always a mystery, a country which is so huge that practices from Kashmir to Kanyakumari are as different from each other as Scotland is from Greece or Russia. Each state is like a different country with diverse languages, cuisines, clothes, customs, climate. Punjabis are closer in terms of their food and language to Pakistanis than to Tamils.


All these differences made people fairly suspicious of those who were not like them. And ‘people like us’ closed ranks and bonded. These closed communities are naturally full of prejudices towards the other, the outsider. Every state considers itself superior. This phenomenon is global, like Polish, Italian jokes in America. Or English, Irish, Welsh, Scottish jokes in the UK. We stereotype each other mercilessly and there are jokes galore about food, clothes and accents (how residents of each state speak English, actually!).


There’s a huge North-South divide too. Yet, in pre-colonial times, India was a haven for persecuted people. We gave refuge to Jewish people, Parsis from Persia, Armenians and later Chinese who ran away from the Revolution, and Tibetans who fled the Chinese. These people kept their distinct, separate identities but they prospered and loved India.


There’s another side to us though. As migration takes place, across state borders within India, a kind of xenophobia begins. In Mumbai in the 1960s, Maharashtrians were incited by Enoch Powell- like politicians to drive out south Indians, Madrasis, they called them, (somewhat similar to calling people Pakis in the UK), who were stealing their jobs, claimed the rabble rousers.


Sounds familiar? Recently, the same paranoid party called for North Indians to be thrown out. Many poor, migrant Biharis were beaten up, attacked and threatened as they went about their daily grind, often working for a pittance. In Bangalore there are rumblings of resentment over north Indian techies who have flooded the city with their loud, noisy, in-your-face manners. South Indians are relatively quiet, stand in queues and can’t understand the chaos of a northern railway station, a bit like Sicilians versus North Italians.


In the 1970s, when I used to visit Rome often, I found Italians warm and friendly. In the last decade that has changed. The racism towards Africans shocked me. I also discovered hordes of Bangladeshi flower sellers being rudely shooed away by Italians waiting for the traffic lights to turn green. I wondered how could things change so quickly, from warm, friendly to hostile ‘they’re swamping us with their alien culture.’


In Bangalore a bunch of Nigerians were picked up for drug peddling. The hostility is because of this perhaps. But there’s no getting away from Indian racism. In the heart of Mumbai, there’s a Nigerian ghetto. Ghettos are born because a minority feels it can find safety in numbers. The environment outside the ghetto is not warm or welcoming to Africans by and large. Students from North East India are mostly dubbed ‘chinky’. People ask them if they are Japanese, Chinese or Korean. There is total ignorance in most parts of India about the culture, indeed about anything North Eastern.

There's no escaping racism in India -- New Internationalist
 
From Sharad Bailur: My friend Baloo Gupte was an India test cricketer. His older brother Subhash Gupte was considered a genius among spinners in cricket and rated much higher than Baloo or anyone else. Subhash decided to marry a black woman from Jamaica. His family would not accept him in India – not becasue he married outside his community – that was bad enough, but because he married a black woman. Subhash gave up cricket and settled down in Jamaica. That is how racist India is. To test our attitude to racism I once invited a black friend out on a picnic organised by Aamchi families in Lucknow. The only person who spoke to him other than me was my grandmother. Not one, NOT ONE of the others did. That's racism among highly educated Indians. [Aamchi = Konkani speaking Saraaswat Brahmins]
Are Indians the most racist people in the world? | Sanjeev Sabhlok's revolutionary blog

A good mirror reflects our true nature, unfortunately.
 
Racism is the belief that characteristics and abilities can be attributed to people simply on the basis of their race and that some racial groups are superior to others. Racism and discrimination have been used as powerful weapons encouraging fear or hatred of others in times of conflict and war, and even during economic downturns.
 
Counterattack for the other thread! :fencing:

I am sorry the people who have visited USA and have family living in USA, did not see to rectify the misconception about PIO's in USA.
JINKE GHAR SHEESHE KE HOTE HAIN WOH DOOSRON KE GHARRON PAR PATTHAR NAHI PHENKA KARTE

The famous dialog only Raj Kumar could deliver in film WAQT
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Another blog by SLH - self loathing hindu. They are in plenty and their set negative mindset can be gauged by the title of the blog posts.

Colour : India has perhaps the widest colour variation among its populace. Even among brahmins and dalits the colour spectrum is from marble translucence to coal black.

"We stereotype each other mercilessly and there are jokes galore about food, clothes and accents (how residents of each state speak English, actually!)."

It is a fact that accents vary; Sridevi's Hinglish vinglish has done well in india, UK and recently in japan.

"His family would not accept him in India – not becasue he married outside his community – that was bad enough, but because he married a black woman. Subhash gave up cricket and settled down in Jamaica."

Family does not approve; the wise guy deserts india and blames all indians. More racist than the staunchest racist!!!

All vilichol words in our culture can be affectionate, neutral or derogatory. I do not mind or take offence if a friend calls me pappan in the context of smart or crafty. When karunanidhi lost the elections, he called as his supporters 'sotthu pindangal', and his party workers were amused, not felt insulted.

These SLH, self loathing hindus can blog or shout or grovel at the feet of their alms givers, the SRH (self respecting hindus) are just amused!
 
Dear Prasad Sir,

I don't watch Hindi movies nor a fan of any of those actors! :nono:

You could have given the English proverb itself, which could be easily understood by me! :)

P.S: At times I get sick of the words 'mathlab' and 'achchA' the Mumbai mAmis use often in their conversation! :sick:
 
Dear Prasad Sir,

I don't watch Hindi movies nor a fan of any of those actors! :nono:

You could have given the English proverb itself, which could be easily understood by me! :)

P.S: At times I get sick of the words 'mathlab' and 'achchA' the Mumbai mAmis use often in their conversation! :sick:
RRJI
Achhaji

noted your dislike for hindi movies, actors and hindi language words used by mumbai maamis

by the way what is the tamil word for pencil lead.

sometimes english or simple hindi words have got mixed in our vocabulary

even in carnatic music , most compositions are in telugu which are badly distorted by tamil singers not knowing telugu

tamil isai movement does not have many takers
 
Dear Prasad ji,

I have met racists of almost every race in my life.

Many far east races totally dislike South Indians out here.

In school too when I was a kid I faced racisms from teachers and fellow classmates.

I remember when I was 14 I argued with a Chinese teacher becos she made a racist remark in class saying that "dont throw away bad milk..Indians drink it and they call it Curd"

I stood up and told her 'teacher..curd is not bad milk." then I explained to her how curd is made and she told me to shut up.

She said you know nothing..you drink bad milk. She then said she had seen her South Indian neighbour put some salt in the milk and leave it over night and next day when the milk goes bad they eat it!

I told her that her neighbour would have also put the starter culture to make curd and that is a different bacteria all together.

But she still told me to shut up..I got mad and told her "teacher you are stupid"

So I was called up for being rude and I complained to the principle that the teacher was making fun of Indians.

Then there was also a Non Indian teacher who used to call us South Indian students black.

If a south Indian was fair skinned the teacher will ask the student how come the student was fair or was she of North Indian descend.

So Prasad ji..in India itself I have met many types of people too.

Once a TB asked me in India how come I was a vegetarian being from Msia.

Then the TB told me your ancestors left India crossing the sea..there is no way you could be a Brahmin so why are you even a vegetarian? The TB seemed to think that only a TB could be a vegetarian.

To me the TB was being a bit narrow minded..not a racists but narrow minded.

Then I had also met a friend's father who looked scary like Amrish Puri and he was such a racists.

He( a Nortie) openly said he does not talk to South Indians and did not want to talk to me but he had no problems being in my room sitting right on my bed and talking to his daughter when he came to visit her in the hostel.I was thinking what a bloody racists!

Finally his daughter was dating a South Indian!LOL


Then some few months back I had a Nigerian patient who also was a racist ..becos he did not want to pay up the bill and asked me if I was Hindu..I said yes.

Then he said 'no wonder...you Hindus are money minded..if it was a Muslim doctor she would have given me a discount"

So I have met all types of racists.
 
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People ware talking about a serious topic as "racism" without understanding the meaning of it.
Racism and discrimination have been used as powerful weapons encouraging fear or hatred.
With that definition see your own behavior, it is quite prevalent.
Institutionalized racism, “the collective failure of an organization to provide an appropriate and professional service to people because of their colour, culture, or ethnic origin”.
Institutional racism is the differential access to the goods, services, and opportunities of society. When the differential access becomes integral to institutions, it becomes common practice, making it difficult to rectify. Eventually, this racism dominates public bodies, private corporations, and public and private universities, and is reinforced by the actions of conformists and newcomers. Another difficulty in reducing institutionalized racism is that there is no sole, true identifiable perpetrator. When racism is built into the institution, it appears as the collective action of the population.

With the quota system on the basis of birth based criteria, the government perpetuates racism.
In words of Sangomji:
Therefore, the fault lies with us, although, telling the truth may now be branded as "Self-loathing" by some people who have grandiose visions or dreams about India.
 
Let me clarify my post in the other thread (but that thread was directed towards PIO's), This is about Racism in USA in general.

It’s very naive to assume that just because an African-American family has lived in the White House for six years that the United States has gotten past racism. Instead, it seems to me that the visibility of successful African-American professionals results in the re-entrenchment of racism. The success of some African-American people taps into some deep fear about what could happen to white people as people of African descent succeed. When any minority group that’s been oppressed or marginalized moves into the mainstream of society, change does occur. But is it reasonable to be afraid of change? To fear that things become different? My answer is no.

It seems to me that a primary root of prejudice is fear. Fear of those different from oneself often undergirds prejudice. But today, we face issues not limited to prejudice. Today, it has once again become acceptable to express racial hatred toward a people of African, Latin, and Asian descent. Too often we hear voices in society that prey on those fears and stoke the fires that lead to hatred. If there is evil in the world, this is surely a symptom of that evil. Tragically, many people of good will fail to stand against the social evil of racism.

I know I can’t solve the problem of racism. But I can make sure that I don’t add to the problem by buying into the irrational fears that are a foundation for racism. I can also use my voice to speak out about the realities of racism in the world and make sure others pay attention to it. That’s what I’m doing right now. Racism is real in the United States today. It’s both personal (aimed at specific people in specific situations) and systemic (like white-flight communities that work to remain racially pure).
Ferguson, Racism, and Overcoming Fear | emerging by Lou Kavar, Ph.D.
 
Racism exists everywhere. Somewhere explicit Somewhere implicit. Shia and sunni war in syria, iraq is racism. israel has racism while fighting with Palestine. In US also the prejudice against the black surfaces quite often. The British do not like asian immigrants. Pakistan does not like India and India does not like Pakistan. Hindus do not like muslims and muslims do not like Hindus, Christians, Jews, etc. The Singalese do not like Tamils. Taliban does not like Americans. Americans do not like chinese and chinese do not like Indians. Maharashtrians do not like south indians, biharis, and muslims. Biharis do not like anybody who does not chew pan and spit on the road. Now tell me which community endorses completely another race in this world ? We have to learn to tolerate the others even if we do not like them and we cannot expect others to behave the way we like them to behave.
I wonder how Madam Renukaji had the courage to call her teacher stupid ! Anyway that was a good piece of writing. I enjoyed it.
 
I wonder how Madam Renukaji had the courage to call her teacher stupid ! Anyway that was a good piece of writing. I enjoyed it.

Dear sir,

That teacher was a racists who used to make fun of Indians daily in some way or the other.

Other girls used to feel bad but no one dare speak up.

I got fed up of hearing all racists remarks and she making fun saying that Indians drink bad milk.

She was indeed stupid enough to not know the difference between bad milk and yogurt.

When she made racists remarks other races used to laugh at us Indian girls in class.

But still some poor home Indian girls used to buy this teacher gifts for teachers day.

I never bought her anything..who cares!LOL

I got it proper from Principle for calling the teacher stupid and the Principle warned me that they will remove my school prefect batch in future.

But I removed it and gave it back to them..saying that I dont mind giving it up now.

But the Principle allowed me to wear it and did not remove my prefect status.

Anyway the teacher never tried her stunts after that.
 
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