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Religious people more prone to depression?

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renuka

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Many a times we see people or even right here in Forum saying they are feeling depressed and cant cope with life.

Many of these people have a tough time adjusting with life but at the same time they are still very much into religion especially rituals to bail them out of their current situation.

We had also seen in the past some members attribute their suffering to some curse of Kula Deivam etc and run to Forum asking members what Pariharams they should do.

The common factor in all these people who have problems is religion!

I have seen even in other religious forums many religious people feeling very depressed and asking remedy for their personal problems.

I was wondering yesterday that Does Religion have the ability to make one Depressed?

I searched on line and found some articles that actually say so..in fact some studies note that those who claim to be spiritual and believe in a Higher entity but did not subscribe to an organized religion fared slightly worse than a religious person belonging to an organized religion.

That is 10.3% of religious people had had at least one severe episode of depression during the year of study.
10.5% of people with a spiritual worldview fell into deep depression.

But those who were secular only had 7%!

Secular people had least depression.

So what does this say?

Is religion/spiritualism actually good for our mental make up or it has adverse effects or does each person react differently to religion?


Read more here:Religious People More Prone to Depression?
 
My opinion is that people with unfailing belief in God are less prone to depression than people whose beliefs are wavering. For the same reason, I could also believe that atheists and secular people, who are more sure about their disposition, are less prone to depression.

With constant intellectual assault against religion, it is no wonder that depression is seen at a higher rate among religious people.
 
Dear Renu,

Those who don't have full faith in God or full faith in themselves are prone to depression.

This covers both theists and atheists.

If a person believes 'nadappathellAm nanmaikkE', then there is no chance for depression.

My uncle used to quote this often: 'Keep your
head cool and feet warm'! I try my best to follow it!
 
hi

i think ...materialists are more prone to depression....spiritual/philosophical persons never prone to depression...sometimes

pseudo religious persons are more prone to depression..religion teaches reality and hope for life.....a positive thinking....

i may be wrong...its just my opinion...
 
Many feel depression is a feeling of sadness but in reality depression is much more than that.

Its the following:


1)Hopelessness


2)Helplessness,


3)Worthlessness


4)Not being in control.


This state of mind is not easy to handle and the depressed person tries to run away from himself cos he cant stand be in this state forever and this is the critical time where one can even think of suicide.

Now lets compare signs and symptoms of depression with religion:


1)Hopelessness...Religion instills in us that our only hope is God.Even Adi Shankara echoed this is Gatisvam Gatistvam Tvameka Bhavani(You are my only refuge O'Bhavani).




2)Helplessness...Yes..we are always trained to feel helpless and surrender to God and He will come running when the crocodile of life grips our leg and Lo behold! You are saved.


3)Worthlessness..Religion yet again and again says that we are here because we had committed errors in the past lives..Abrahamic religions believe we are born because we had sinned.

Even in Hinduism..one is told to despise the human body making it sound worthless and a body alone can not lead you to God.

Jains go one step further and even torture their bodies.

Hindus too have penances that torture the body..

All this proves that a human body is worthless to a certain extent!


4)Not being in control..Religion teaches that our free will is very limited and its all God's will which only echoes that we are never in control.



Now..doesnt this explain why depression is rampant these days?

Religion seems like slow poison that spreads the epidemic of depression across the Globe.

Think about it.Which religion actually teaches us the art of living? All seem obsessed with the art of dying for an afterlife.
 
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I think everyone is thinking depression is a feeling of sadness but in reality depression is much more than that.

Its much more than a feeling of sadness..


1)Hopelessness

2)Helplessness,


3)Worthlessness


4)Not being in control.

This state of mind is not easy to handle and the depressed person tries to run away from himself cos he cant stand be in this state forever and this is the critical time where one can even think of suicide.

Now lets compare signs and symptoms of depression with religion:


1)Hopelessness...Religion instills in us that our only hope is God.Even Adi Shankara echoed this is Gatisvam Gatistvam Tvameka Bhavani(You are my only refuge O'Bhavani).




2)Helplessness...Yes..we are always trained to feel helpless and surrender to God and He will come running when the crocodile of life grips our leg and Lo behold! You are saved.


3)Worthlessness..Religion yet again and again says that we are here because we had committed errors in the past lives..Abrahamic religions believe we are born because we had sinned.

Even in Hinduism..one is told to despise the human body making it sound worthless and a body alone can not lead you to God.

Jains go one step further and even torture their bodies.

Hindus too have penances that torture the body..

All this proves that a human body is worthless to a certain extent!


4)Not being in control..Religion teaches that our free will is very limited and its all God's will which only echoes that we are never in control.



Now..doesnt this explain why depression is rampant these days?

Religion seems like slow poison that spreads the epidemic of depression across the Globe.

Think about it.Which religion actually teaches us the art of living? All seem obsessed with the art of dying for an afterlife.

What causes depression is ignorance of reality and mistaken notions.

Mistakes can happen because a religious doctrine teaches something that is not true. Many Hindu practices and most of the biblical theologies have unreasonable beliefs built in.

Mistakes can also happen when a point is not understood and taken out of context as it item 1 above.

Adi Shankara taught many things - Bhavani Ashtakam attributed to him is not contradictory to the teaching embedded in his Bhashyas. It is in coming up with end to end reconciliation of all that is taught can one get a true picture. A verse taken without right context in any topic area can lead one to wrong conclusions.

Items 2,3,4 above are common misconceptions within Hindus.

In any case mistaken notions and ignorance of reality can lead one to despair over time.

When terrible things happen to 'good people' their religious beliefs get exposed and even shattered leading to all kinds of disorders.
 
Items 2,3,4 above are common misconceptions within Hindus.

In any case mistaken notions and ignorance of reality can lead one to despair over time.

Only when a compare and contrast are done..one realizes that there are misconceptions even in Hinduism.

I dont think many Hindus would like to even think that religion can lead to depression.

There is a difference between God and Religion.I am only talking about Religion and Depression and not God and depression.

One Ashram in India I know has banned all bhajans that depicts a devotee as a sinner or in a helpless state because that tarnishes the true image of an Atma.
 
Dear Renu,

Those who don't have full faith in God or full faith in themselves are prone to depression.
This covers both theists and atheists.
If a person believes 'nadappathellAm nanmaikkE', then there is no chance for depression.
My uncle used to quote this often: 'Keep your
head cool and feet warm'! I try my best to follow it!

Madam: Here is the latest research study in support of your observations.

Protective Effects of Religiosity on Depression:
The Gerontologist - published online July 25, 2014 doi:10.1093/geront/gnu073

Purpose of the Study: Approximately 20% of older adults are diagnosed with depression in the United States. Extant research suggests that engagement in religious activity, or religiosity, may serve as a protective factor against depression. This prospective study examines whether religiosity protects against depression and/or aids in recovery.

Results: Religiosity was found to both protect against and help individuals recover from depression. Individuals not depressed at baseline remained nondepressed 2 years later if they frequently attended religious services, whereas those depressed at baseline were less likely to be depressed at follow-up if they more frequently engaged in private prayer.

Implications: Findings suggest that both organizational and nonorganizational forms of religiosity affect depression outcomes in different circumstances (i.e., onset and recovery, respectively). Important strategies to prevent and relieve depression among older adults may include improving access and transportation to places of worship among those interested in attending services and facilitating discussions about religious activities and beliefs with clinicians.

The Gerontologist Advance Access (date view)
The Protective Effects of Religiosity on Depre... [Gerontologist. 2014] - PubMed - NCBI
 
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Only when a compare and contrast are done..one realizes that there are misconceptions even in Hinduism.

I dont think many Hindus would like to even think that religion can lead to depression.

There is a difference between God and Religion.I am only talking about Religion and Depression and not God and depression.

One Ashram in India I know has banned all bhajans that depicts a devotee as a sinner or in a helpless state because that tarnishes the true image of an Atma.

Most religious practices falling within the umbrella of Hinduism are done in ignorance.
Those who are depressed do not know they are in that state. The only saving 'grace' is that poverty and other local issues dominate their mind saving them from true and prolonged depression.

There are also too many 'Gods' and God ideas being practiced. There are also too many cheating God men to boot .. Perhaps they provide distractions
 
Depression is on the rise these days and partly religion could also be one of the factors as I had explained in my previous post.

There are studies that reveal that religion helps in depression but one cant deny that it can also cause depression.

So for those in whom religion causes depression..what do they do? When praying makes them worse what can society offer for them?


So one has to work on the lines of symptoms of depression and analyse how he/she would like to fit religion to make himself/herself get out of depression.

These steps should help:

1)Have Hope in yourself for hope in yourself is the same as placing hope in God.

2)Dont feel helpless ..be strong..ask help if you cant cope for a situation.Asking help is not a sign of weakness..it helps us learn and grow and you could render help to another person some day.

3)Dont feel worthless..do not think we are sinners.Think that I house God in my body therefore I am worth it.Sing I’m worth it and I know it!

4)Do not feel that you are not in control..you are very much in control of your life.Dedicate all actions to God and you will see that life will be in your hands
 
Most religious practices falling within the umbrella of Hinduism are done in ignorance.
Those who are depressed do not know they are in that state. The only saving 'grace' is that poverty and other local issues dominate their mind saving them from true and prolonged depression.

There are also too many 'Gods' and God ideas being practiced. There are also too many cheating God men to boot .. Perhaps they provide distractions

Exactly!
 
I feel only those with low self worth and not believing they are in control of their lives turn to religion as an escape route

surrendering and performing some rituals/ singing some bhajans to appease gods of their choice reduces their depression levels I assume

A majority of people turn to religion to fight depression

those who do that can only enlighten others
 
Renukaji,

Post #1 Renuka:

Many a times we see people or even right here in Forum saying they are feeling depressed and cant cope with life.Many of these people have a tough time adjusting with life but at the same time they are still very much into religion especially rituals to bail them out of their current situation.We had also seen in the past some members attribute their suffering to some curse of Kula Deivam etc and run to Forum asking members what Pariharams they should do.The common factor in all these people who have problems is religion!................................Is religion/spiritualism actually good for our mental make up or it has adverse effects or does each person react differently to religion?

Post #5 Renuka:

I think everyone is thinking depression is a feeling of sadness but in reality depression is much more than that.Its much more thanafeelingofsadness..1)Hopelessnes2)Helplessness,3)Worthlessness4)Not being in control......................Religion seems like slow poison that spreads the epidemic of depression across the Globe.
Think about it.

You said think about it. I thought about it and this is the result:


Different people cope with life in different ways. The method of coping with life chosen by an individual depends basically on 1)his own physical abilities 2) his mental abilities which comes with his experience and maturity which again depends on the path he has travelled since his childhood and 3) -- the circumstances --the kind of constraints the society/environment imposes on him.

Now let me expand on this. Suppose a person has recurring financial problems (just one of the examples). It may be due his poor health (item 1 above) lack of employability due to qualification, attitude, temperament etc.,(2 above) or lack of employment avenues (3 above). He feels that he has no control over any of these. He has tried to tackle (1) by a consultation with a good doctor without any result. With respect to (2) he is not even aware of his short comings because he thinks that he is perfect, that he is very capable in his domain, that he remains a gentleman while his boss and others in the work place are all demons, the society is ruthless etc., So there is no way of getting cured of this and he suffers it blundering his way from one employer to another and gathering nothing in the process. (3) He is basically from a small village and he finds the city where he competes with others a scary place. He finds even communication is a problem with every one speaking a strange language in a strange accent in the strange workplace. He has no solution for this environment induced stress on him. He did not know that he has an option to look at this new world around him with the fresh mind of a child which enjoys anything new with an exploring mind. He did not know that he can laugh at the funny circumstances which confront him as well as the funny self which gropes in the strange circumstances. So he is like a chicken let out in the midst of a vast forest not knowing which direction to take for his run for life.

If his upbringing (the period during which the value system gets formed) has imprinted in him a value system which encourages to retain his self esteem under all trying circumstances he would still be himself and move on and in course of time win. If , unfortunately, in his upbringing such a value is not there then he feels defeated early in the game and looks for an external solution to his liking.

Before proceeding further we should understand that what is given here is only one of a million specimens of example. There can be cases in which the circumstances/external environment (item 3) can be quite conspiratorial and be delivering shock after shock even on an individual who is physically and mentally strong. For instance there can be unbearable tragedies visiting an individual one after other without any clue as to why he has been chosen for such a special treatment by circumstances. In such cases the capabilities of the self are in a cloud and the individual looks to external solutions like the individual in the first case.

There can be many examples each with a strange mixture of misfortunes.

Now let us take a close look at religion and how it fulfills the role of a solution. With religion comes in the God concept. For an individual troubled by inexplicable (or so he thinks) misfortunes, God is the final refuge. He saves good people and punishes bad people (parithrAnAya sAdhunAm, vinAsAya dushkruthAm…….). I am good and I hope he will save me. My boss is bad and he will punish him. I feel I do not get enough love from people around. Those who love me also makes it conditional. But God is love personified. He will love me without any expectations even if I am a sinner. There are miracles happening. So my physical problems also can disappear if God wills it that way. God will help me earn profit in my business because I am his true devotee and am going to spend for good causes. God will get me my love in marriage because I as well as she prays to him sincerely for that. In short there is nothing that God can not grant. God is not only a KalyAna GunArnavam but also a AkhilahEya pratyaneekan.

So we have a troubled soul and a God concept which is a sanjeevani for every possible helpless situation. So the two together work well and make life livable in this world. It is a different matter that you have to get up in the morning, get ready to take your children to school, come back, take your breakfast and rush to your office with a packed tiffin box in the crowded suburban train fearing not only missing the stop where you have to get down but also the ibola virus the close proximity fellow traveler may be carrying. But when our man is down, his energy completely sapped by circumstances beyond his control, it is hope of a better tomorrow that makes the life livable and God is that hope. Religion is the intelligent explanation of that God concept because the free will in our fallen hero’s mind asks questions and look for answers at an intellectual level to fundamental questions. It may be like telling the child that Ummachchi searched and found your mother’s womb to place you safely until you are ready to come into this world. Each one of us want to hear such soothing stories. The child, as it grows up, understands that there is more to it than God placing her in the mother’s womb but enjoys the beauty and intellectual reasoning behind that story. Religion and God make our life not only livable, but also beautiful. The sometimes unrestrained love, sometimes transactional love, sometimes carnal love, sometimes fighting love, sometimes give and take love, sometimes love mixed with anger, sometimes pleading love etc., etc., which is all called by the name bhakti, according to me is necessary to make our life meaningful and less painful. Without it life is just the appam without sweetness.

So believe in God and enjoy your life.

And RRji said succinctly all this when she said:Those who don't have full faith in God or full faith in themselves are prone to depression.This covers both theists and atheists.
If a person believes 'nadappathellAm nanmaikkE', then there is no chance for depression.


 
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It was claimed that education will eliminate terrorism. It is not so as more and more terrorists have envious qualifications; some are doctors.
It was claimed that education will cure one of faith in religion and gods. Not so as more graduates and professionals visit temples, do pujas and contribute to festivals and rituals.
Depression is an independent phenomenon and any one - rich, poor, successful, failed, educated, apad, can become a victim.

Recently a successful personality became depressed and committed suicide because his advertised radio/tv show was cancelled.
 
I differ from the OP...I feel depressed people actually seek solace in religion and not the reverse..Have you seen the interview of Music Maestro Ilaya Raja's son Yuvan Shankar Raja embracing Islam during the phase of depression

In fact more than religious people being depressed, it is the pseudo people who are not clear about their convictions & who care a damn about their self worth who get depressed much more than the rest!

For religious people depression is a passing phase like the moon waxing and waning!

During times of depression there will be many suggestions from various quarters..It is up to the individual & his/her family to overcome the depression through positive thoughts, positive speech and positive action
 
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I feel only those with low self worth and not believing they are in control of their lives turn to religion as an escape route

surrendering and performing some rituals/ singing some bhajans to appease gods of their choice reduces their depression levels I assume

A majority of people turn to religion to fight depression

those who do that can only enlighten others

When you select a sample for statistical evaluation, you must be careful to choose the subjects. If you begin with a diffective sample your results will be wrong.
I believe that some of the people who claim to be "religious", and basically misguided soul, They were depressed before they joined the group.
To be really successful you have to be physically and mentally strong.
Swami Chinmayananda used to say that you can not start your spiritual journey after you retire, you have start it when you are young.

So depression is not the fault of religion. It is just that depressed people are attracted to religion.
 
I differ from the OP...I feel depressed people actually seek solace in religion and not the reverse..Have you seen the interview of Music Maestro Ilaya Raja's son Yuvan Shankar Raja embracing Islam during the phase of depression

In fact more than religious people being depressed, it is the pseudo people who are not clear about their convictions & who care a damn about their self worth who get depressed much more than the rest!

For religious people depression is a passing phase like the moon waxing and waning!

During times of depression there will be many suggestions from various quarters..It is up to the individual & his/her family to overcome the depression through positive thoughts, positive speech and positive action

I agree with this post.
 
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