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Sad reality and bitter truths of Hindus in America

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Hindus in US are now tracing their roots...However I am not sure if the second & third generation of American Indian Hindus are as much attached to the Hindu culture and way of life as the first generation of migrants!

A beginning has been made..It will take a while for it to yield significant results


Sad reality and bitter truths of Hindus in America

The challenge here is as much an intellectual one as a cultural and spiritual one.


28-08-2015

Vamsee Juluri



Whatever extreme imagination the 2011 census might inspire in ideologues in India, reports about Indians in America only seem to affirm the idea of an endlessly cheerful Indian American Dream. Hindu Americans in particular have acquired a reputation as a wealthy community. News reports in India and abroad admiringly note statistics about the community’s income and education, as well as individual success stories like those of Satya Nadella and Sundar Pichai. Hinduism, some journalists say, is the wealthiest religion in America.
Regardless of the merits of such claims, and the emotional and political debates that invariably follow, it must be said that for a community that has hardly been there for half a century, there is a well-deserved sense of pride about having navigated the best of both cultures. The community succeeds in the modern, secular world of science, engineering, academia and business, and also remains steeped in religiosity.
The temples of Hindu America have become a living and thriving symbol of the community’s aspirations. The recently inaugurated Karya Siddhi Hanuman temple in Dallas, for example, looms over the landscape of suburbia like a determined giant, a dream come true in this case not for some wealthy magnate but for a retired Telugu professor of sociology from a historically black college driven by love for guru, gods, and people.
Hinduism is alive and well in America, for sure, and so is Hindu American pride. Second generation Hindu Americans and more recent arrivals are both engaged actively now with questions of political and cultural representation. Racist stories about India in American newspapers and appropriations of Hinduism by America’s booming and sometimes disdainfully materialistic yoga culture are contested. Academia has been a growing concern, with the community waking up to the fact that it has very little representation in Hindu studies.
As someone who has been writing about some of these issues for several years now, I can say that the energy is palpable, the purpose becoming increasingly more lucid and beyond reproach, but as far as results go, there is not much to show, as of now at least. For a storied immigrant community, Hindu America is still incredibly voiceless in America. To recall one simple example, the California textbooks haven’t changed one bit after nearly a decade of struggle. One might even ask, given how egregiously Hinduphobic the lessons were, why did several class years of students and parents quietly go through school without challenging them before 2005? What does it say about us as a community that produces CEOs and millionaires but not enough of a truth-claim to replace lies with facts?
I am not without sympathy for the argument that this sorry situation is the result of historically hostile forces to Hinduism and Hindus having infiltrated seamlessly into the supposedly liberal, progressive, anti-racist quarters of academia in the US and in India. That is indeed the source of the problem, and the solution, which is still nowhere in sight, is ultimately one of decolonization and renewal. Yet, there is a problem in the community too, a problem in its perception of itself and the world, that needs to be addressed as part of the decolonization process too – and that is its attitude towards wealth.
What does Hindu America want from its success? Is it a material legacy that it wishes to leave for its children and grandchildren, or can there be something more? Is there a Hindu civilisational view of wealth, work, and the economy today that can be more meaningful than the simplistic capitalistic clichés of the day (which have replaced the even more depressing socialistic parables of an earlier generation)?
The challenge here is as much an intellectual one as a cultural and spiritual one. Hindu America has to sort out the question of what exactly Hinduism means for it. For one thing, one has to ask if everyone who is Hindu and living in America even feels strongly about being Hindu. The culture of Silicon Valley, for example, is perhaps far more secular-liberal and indifferent to the passionate calls for Hindu awakening one sees in other parts of the country like Texas. There might be many more demographic variations along class and generational lines too. For one thing, it seems to me that much of the temple building activity is coming from recent migrants from India rather than second-generation Hindu Americans.
Religiosity, and culture, both have deeper survival implications for the transplanted and the newly mobile perhaps, than those who already have a certain amount of rootedness in a place. I am also not sure whether the philanthropy of the new start up success stories extends to Hinduism as such, or whether it prefers to operate through more secular ideas of service. In other words, it also remains to be seen if those who have been tremendously successful in America feel a sense of debt to the culture and traditions that have made them who they are.
While no one can dictate how Hindu Americans ought to feel about Hinduism, it is definitely important for the community to step up the conversation on how Hindu Americans, and Hindus, more generally, could be thinking about global issues today such as nature, the environment, work, family, and money. In the absence of such a debate, it has become easy for the apparent success of Hindu Americans to be turned into a symbol for various political interests. The strongest point on which Hinduphobia exists today in academia, media, and activist circles after all has to do with the alleged elitism of Hindus in general and Hindu Americans in particular. If you are wealthy, successful, and seemingly accepted, then what ground do you have to complain about racism or misrepresentation?
The community, it seems, is somewhat confused on this issue. For many, even talking about issues of race and misrepresentation seems inappropriate, a rude disturbance to the myth of acceptance. This attitude, though slightly in decline now from what I can see, celebrates any kind of recognition by America as a sign of having arrived. An American professor wrote a big book of Hinduism? Why, we must be great, if someone were to write a book on us! This viewpoint rarely considers the possibility that the big book might be totally false, malicious, and even have existential repercussions one day. For others, who are well outside the older generation's just-adjust Hinduism model, there are no illusions about Hinduphobia where it exists. But they lack the intellectual and cultural resources to fight it in the manner that it ought to be dealt with, and approach an intellectual problem with a commercial if not mercenary mindset.
There is a lot of bluster and noise about funding Hinduism chairs, Hindu TV channels and the like, but in the end there is neither professionalism nor vision in making things like this happen. In the end, we are once again where we started, good with individual success at best, and nowhere in terms of a serious community presence in the cultural and intellectual space.
This is a problem that has often been noticed. I have heard people wonder why students from India come all the way to America at great expense to be taught most likely at least in part by Indian-origin professors. I have heard people wonder why every major hospital in America has Indian doctors, and yet there is no major Indian owned, run or inspired health care institution on such a scale here. There is so much air traffic between the US and India each year, and yet most of us travel on non-Indian airlines because there are very few options from India. There’s something similar to this happening with Hinduism in America too.
Either directly or indirectly, it seems to produce individuals who can function in an existing economic system productively, but not quite the vision to stop and say, maybe this whole thing in which we are caught up needs to change. Our sense of "dharma", it seems, is humbly subservient to the logic of "artha" as defined by others. For the two to be equal again will need more than individual success stories. It will need a widespread recognition that regardless of whether one believes in one’s civilisational value or not, there is an obligation one has to the social investment made in the past that has produced our talents and opportunities in the present.
How many generations of austere and simple living, mental application, concentration, study and the like have come before us to make us a culture that is so much at ease in today’s knowledge economy? And yet, we forget that it’s not just our individual effort and individual success that the world is all about.
I will consider Hindu America truly wealthy when it puts everything it has into something more than ephemeral self-congratulatory branding. It will be wealthy when it can offer, with all the weight of its intellect, dreams, and history, a civilisational vision not just for itself but for the world again.

http://www.dailyo.in/politics/censu...s-civilisation-spirituality/story/1/5933.html
 
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Another version or view of global sanatana dharma.

How many generations of austere and simple living, mental application, concentration, study and the like have come before us to make us a culture that is so much at ease in today’s knowledge economy? And yet, we forget that it’s not just our individual effort and individual success that the world is all about.
I will consider Hindu America truly wealthy when it puts everything it has into something more than ephemeral self-congratulatory branding. It will be wealthy when it can offer, with all the weight of its intellect, dreams, and history, a civilisational vision not just for itself but for the world again.
 
"How many generations of austere and simple living, mental application, concentration, study and the like have come before us to make us a culture that is so much at ease in today’s knowledge economy? And yet, we forget that it’s not just our individual effort and individual success that the world is all about."
This will apply only to the higher caste people who have migrated to US. What about the lower caste people, is there no one?
 
Indians are in awe of the American reputation. Right now they are content being called intelligent, wealthy and so on. But things will change. They will sooner than later realise theirs is not a real success unless their original voice is heard.
 
First I tend to agree with sangomji , it is only a cultural phenomenon restricted to brahmin caste alone when it comes to knowledge economy. Only there are comfortable

with it.It is only the first generation migrants who would like to hold on to hindu way of life .They would like toadopt just adjust hinduism model and carry on with a pious

hope that their succeeding generations would be like them. But the succeeding generations do not consider anything much sacred to hold on as regards the hindu way

of life and adopt american way of living with accent on materialsm and good living. For them their religion is more of a liability than an asset. They would like to be

absorbed in that society without getting discriminated.
 
hi

i got it from iyer yahoo group.....see the remarks.....


I have been spending the last couple of months with my children in the USA
'I find a lot of positive improvements in our community settled here from what it was a couple of decades ago when our community started settling there.
They are more aware and proud of our traditions are trying to maintain them.
The younger children are sent on Sundays to the nearby temple or Hindu Mission like Chinmaya Mission to learn slokas and stories from the ithihasas
As far as I know few of our children in the Indian Metros do so much for their childrenAs it was thalai avani avittam for my grand sons I had taken from here Pavitram etc
But in the Chicago Balaji Temple at Aurora it was something so excellent that it took away my breath
There was special session for Thalai Avani Avittam bhrannacharis.
They were made to do Samita Dhanam
For the Upakarma there was maha sankalpam. At the end there was Kanda Rishi Homam
on Gyatri Japam day there was Gayatri homam and my grand sons performed it and took it in a good way
I AM HAPPY OUR CUSTOMS AND TRADITIONS ARE FOLLOED IN THE USA



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    Aug 31


 
For how long?

One cannot say stay in a society where there are different norms and way of life .

But inside your home be different.

It is a strain to be that way.

One must integrate with the majority to lead a decent life.

Live in Rome like romans do and follow what they follow.
 
Dear Shri Krish,

My understanding is that there is no clear majority way of life in the U.S. It is said to be an amalgam of different ways of life. So why shouldn't the good parts of the Indian way of life be part of the amalgam?
 
But the saddest of all realities I meet with, is ……. whenever I visit one particular village in Tiruvarur District. During my visits, I used to take with me a bundle containing used saris, dhothis, shirts etc. from my house along with items collected from my relatives and friends.

No sooner than my arrival at the village, the news will spread like fire in the surrounding hamlets of that village and people used to throng the place near a small temple.

When I distribute those old dresses along with some food, the happiness in the face of the recipients could not be seen and visualized by my family members as our eyes will all already been filled with tears of sadness.
What else I could do other than offering a set of old clothes and food that too one time… once in a year.

Saddest reality and bitter most truth is that these people have lost their roots on their own soil.

They search, search and re-search every day in and around their village…………………………

not for the tracing of their lost roots;
but for some stray jobs to earn gruel to fill half the stomach, for the day.
 
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But the saddest of all realities I meet with, is ……. whenever I visit one particular village in Tiruvarur District. During my visits, I used to take with me a bundle containing used saris, dhothis, shirts etc. from my house along with items collected from my relatives and friends.

No sooner than my arrival at the village, the news will spread like fire in the surrounding hamlets of that village and people used to throng the place near a small temple.

When I distribute those old dresses along with some food, the happiness in the face of the recipients could not be seen and visualized by my family members as our eyes will all already been filled with tears of sadness.
What else I could do other than offering a set of old clothes and food that too one time… once in a year.

Saddest reality and bitter most truth is that these people have lost their roots on their own soil.

They search, search and re-search every day in and around their village…………………………

not for the traces of their lost roots;
but for some stray job to earn gruel to fill half the stomach, for the day.


Dear Shri Yesmohan,

This only shows material prosperity can only ensure food, clothes, shelter and comforts. We are talking of a reality where enough material prosperity is there but still something is lacking. People are not living their own lives. They are in a fake reality not just sad reality. But it is true after a few generations, the Indianness in the Indian Americans will totally be gone unless they do something about it now. There is something we can definitely contribute to America.
 
First I tend to agree with sangomji , it is only a cultural phenomenon restricted to brahmin caste alone when it comes to knowledge economy. Only there are comfortable

with it.It is only the first generation migrants who would like to hold on to hindu way of life .They would like toadopt just adjust hinduism model and carry on with a pious

hope that their succeeding generations would be like them. But the succeeding generations do not consider anything much sacred to hold on as regards the hindu way

of life and adopt american way of living with accent on materialsm and good living. For them their religion is more of a liability than an asset. They would like to be

absorbed in that society without getting discriminated.
This is not quid pro quo, but i also feel what krishji says is closer to the truth.
I know some tabra migrants to USA who do not even want to be recognised as indians or as tabras. So,, we may well imagine what kind of brahminic hinduism they will be following, out there!
All these posts in brahminical forums and blogs are merely self-serving; nothing more.
Secondly, in all such writings and discussions it is assumed that the brahminic mway=the hindu way of life or hinduism;is there no NB Hinduism?
The second generation usually does not like the "iMaginary" hinduism to be thrust on them; they will rather follow the USway of life and be accepted there fully, instead of clinging on
To some unknown and unwanted ways of life.
Of course, there may besome people who will come forward even here and boast about how their kids are accomplished tabras even though born and brought up in USA. That is for the readers to think over!
 
If you were to take the status of indians in places like fiji, guyana , for that matter south africa, mauritus, indians there left our shores centuries back, Except indian

distorted names and some faith in their religion which get remembered on occassions of religeous festivals , there is nothing indian about them. some get told that their

forefathers were from india and they might visit india out of curiosity and nothing more. In a century or so this will be the fate of tamil brahmins in US or canada.

Even within india .second generation tamil brahmins born and brought up in delhi and other places do not share the enthusiasm of being tamil brahmins and having

anything to do with tamil nadu We have changed too much to return to tamilnadu to settle there. Some old TBs in US/canada might return due to economic reasons like

cheap retirement homes or medical care here. But for most of second and newer generation india is a no-no.Who would like to return to india with reservation policy ,

violence, discrimination and caste politics. One singapore indian parent of two girls in 16-18 yrs was openly telling that he fears for well being of his kids if he were

to return to india. he would anyday prefer the citizenship of singapore where he feels comfortable being tamil
 
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Dear Shri Yesmohan,

This only shows material prosperity can only ensure food, clothes, shelter and comforts. We are talking of a reality where enough material prosperity is there but still something is lacking. People are not living their own lives. They are in a fake reality not just sad reality. But it is true after a few generations, the Indianness in the Indian Americans will totally be gone unless they do something about it now. There is something we can definitely contribute to America.

We need not do anything for the persons in America. They have ran after material wealth.They have enough brain as well to take care of their interest.. They might not stand to receive any advice/service from anybody.

If at all anything to be done it would have been for the brethren who are tottering without,not even a square meal a day, in our own country.
 
If at all anything to be done it would have been for the brethren who are tottering without,not even a square meal a day, in our own country.

Yes Sir you are right. But this is not what the thread is about. The fact remains that those who go to the U.S. will not be able to lead a real life till they lose their Indianness.
 
I did give this thread a miss as it is no better than pissing contest.
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No one is really bothered about others. It is just gloating of the ignorant.
What is Indianness, what it Brahminsness, what is Hinduness? No two Indian is same.
What is common between a Sikh from Punjab and a TB from chennai, other than the fact that they happen to in a Country called India?
To people who are sorry for PIO, please grow up. You have nothing that PIO want. And similarly Indian should not be envious of PIO. The PIO have migrated to USA of their own freewill and can resettle anywhere in the world they desire. So nobody is forcing these PIO from migrating if they are unhappy in USA.

If USA or any other place is so bad why so many are waiting in queue to migrate to USA and other countries.
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The allusion is to the ancient notion that crocodiles weep while devouring their prey. Crocodiles do indeed have lachrymal glands and produce tears to lubricate the eyes as humans do. They don't cry with emotion though. Whatever experience they have when devouring prey we can be certain it isn't remorse.
 
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By Sohini Sircar
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Many American Hindus view their lives as having two poles. They display their Hindu side at home or at the temple amongst family and their American side at school or work. This dual life–almost like split personality–can be confusing when the two areas converge. But this is not the only way to live as an American Hindu. In fact, I strongly believe that these two identities are inextricably linked in my existence as a Hindu in the United States.My Hindu-ness makes me a better American, because I understand that there is a certain essence that links us. Just as understanding that the soul (atman) links the entire universe helps me dispel the illusion of distinctions (maya), understanding the essence of what makes me American helps me look past different skin colors and accents.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/27/hindu-americans_n_936425.html
 
How Hinduism Makes Me A Better American
By Vinti Singh

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I tried an experiment last year in which I attempted to go a week without buying anything from China. My choices as a consumer were severely limited. It was nearly impossible to find clothes, gifts or even nails to hang up a picture frame. Since finding non-made-in-China alternatives were rare occurrences, I often just did without. At first, I was frustrated and sad. Coming home from the mall empty handed made me feel just as empty on the inside. It was my religion, Hinduism, that brought me to the realization that material possessions will never fulfill me. Being a Hindu makes me a better American because it helps me see with clarity the American dream, and the pursuit of happiness, as something that is materially intangible, but much more satisfying when achieved.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/27/hindu-americans_n_936425.html
 
Yes Sir you are right. But this is not what the thread is about. The fact remains that those who go to the U.S. will not be able to lead a real life till they lose their Indianness.
You are showing your ignorance.
An ignorant person who knows that he/she is ignorant will keep their mouth shut, so that their ignorance is not displayed in public.
But an ignorant who thinks he/she is knowledgeable is a fool.

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Dear Shri Prasad,

Nobody here I think cares about the personal choice of people on where they want to live. I am just stating the fact that even though India is a diverse country, there is a shared culture among people here which projects as Indianness. As a matter of fact shared values do not exist among Americans to the extent it exists among Indians.

If I have to categorize Indians and Americans to understand them as a whole, the most truthful way I can do would be on the basis of their roots to materialistic values. I would categorize the Americans as rank materialists and Indians as spiritually inclined though the practice of spirituality has almost disappeared even among Indians in India. But my point is even though Indians are embracing materialism it does not come naturally to them just like it does for the Americans.

So they grapple with it up to a few generations till their roots disappear.
 
For how long?

One cannot say stay in a society where there are different norms and way of life .

But inside your home be different.

It is a strain to be that way.

One must integrate with the majority to lead a decent life.

Live in Rome like romans do and follow what they follow.

The Jew next to me in my US flight from Savanna to NY was wearing a kappah! So too his son of about 8 years...They are the most intelligent in US...So what is wrong in Hindus following the Hindu Dharmic way in US as much as possible...Also US celebrates following the rule of law and meritocracy which are very conducive to Brahmins...
 
At last prasadji is provoked enough to respond.

I was waiting for it.

The posts from huffingtopost.com are interesting to read at the end of a dreary day extolling our man in US.

It sounded more like an apolology from indian american for their hindu way of life to other americans for their dual identity.

they quote from our holy books to justify how they cope better in america by being hindu and american at the same time.

when our religion and american life style meet at a public platform , their inner conflicts are apparent.

there is an apology and justification for being a hindu and telling oneself there is some wisdom being a hindu after all.

all this only a coping mechanism and nothing more.

they have to accept their asian colour ,, their religion and try to do well in a different society which operates with different rules they need to observe.

True that country might be better in umpteen ways in terms of liberal thought ,education, personal freedom, right to individual liberty and space,jobs and return to

india is not all appealing.

yet One cannot help believing a heavy price has been paid for all the good things that american society has offered them.

but indian life is not heavan either. It is a choice between being a second class US citizen and be a third class indian in india.

What one is stuck with is his own karma .lol
 
Dear Shri Prasad,

I am just stating the fact that even though India is a diverse country, there is a shared culture among people here which projects as Indianness. As a matter of fact shared values do not exist among Americans to the extent it exists among Indians.

There is shared value among human race.
You did not answer my question. What is the shared values between a Sikh from Barnala and a TB from Kumbakonam. Other than the fact that they are Indian citizen. So please explain the similarities.
Is religion same? NO
Is Food Same? NO
Is the language same? NO
Is food same? NO
Is clothing same? NO
Is the climate same? NO
Is Dance same? NO
Is Drinking same? NO
Is boisterousness same? NO

What is indianness?
 
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Jesse Raley An American author, especially one of Christian background, will obviously sabotage anyone's Hindu faith or practice. Two books I believe should be widely circulated are Indra's Net by Rajiv Malhotra, and What Every Hindu Should Know About Christianity by Kalavai Venkat. Read, become conversant with the material in Indra's Net, assertively challenge misconceptions in the classroom, and strongly recommend these books to professors and department heads. The second book would be of more use to people whose faith is endangered by proselytism.
 
The original poster should know the facts on the ground.
Indian Americans or Indo-Americans are Americans of Indian ancestry. They comprise about 3.1 million people alone, or 3.4 million combined with one or more races, representing about 1% of the U.S. population as of 2013.

How much this small community can make difference in American Culture is short 50 years?
The Mexican community is much larger and they still have not made changed to California textbooks haven’t changed.
Indians have started taking interest in the political process in USA. WE have a Hindu in the senate. So the changes are coming. It may not be at the pace the op wants.
In India the text books in North India barely mention about South India, to expect 1% to make a splash in USA culture is a tall order.
 
There is shared value among human race.
You did not answer my question. What is the shared values between a Sikh from Barnala and a TB from Kumbakonam. Other than the fact that they are Indian citizen. So please explain the similarities.
Is religion same? NO
Is Food Same? NO
Is the language same? NO
Is food same? NO
Is clothing same? NO
Is the climate same? NO
Is Dance same? NO
Is Drinking same? NO
Is boisterousness same? NO

What is indianness?

You are talking of external factors. The psyche of all of them is exposed to teachings that advocate self control and practising higher values. Going after material comforts was never on the agenda in India unlike in the western countries where it was encouraged. The fundamental divide between the two is undeniable.
 
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