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There is no quarter, half and full business here.Lol
Dear Renu,
Following Violin, Keyboard, Mandolin, Saxophone and Guitar have entered Carnatic music.
Some people act like 'maNvetti' which takes the soil only in one direction!
Allow people from other faiths to sing on our deities and shun the Carnatic singers who sing for other faiths.
BTW, verbal shouting is NOT enough to prove a person correct!!
When learned people and learned musicians discuss the matter it would be advisable to keep quite. But as I am wondering as to what is all this noise about, I thought I will say this. I am not good in my knowledge of music. But I have an ear for good music. I think that is enough qualification:
My understanding is this:
1. Music is arranging musical notes in a certain order using several permutations and combinations, adding meaning to the swaras by super imposing the pattern on a substrate which can be a poem/song/poetry/sahitya etc., etc., and then presenting it to an audience through a medium which can be just voice, stringed instrument or wind instrument or just a keyboard electronically mimicking any/all of these instruments. This we can call the production stage in the whole process.
2. Next comes the utility stage of the process. People hear this product and either enjoy or are put off or choose to remain indifferent to the product. The target group for the product requires a certain receptor mechanism to receive and enjoy the music which is in the product. Thus we find carnatic music enthusiasts who get mesmerised by a rAga AlApana because they are tuned to understand and appreciate the streaming flood of notes in everchanging combinations and yet retaining a pattern in them. It is like the chaos theory in play.
3. We find a number of people who do not understand anything about rAgA or thAlA and yet are enchanted by the overall progression of the streaming notes and most importantly about the mood that it creates in them. Add to this the rasa that is conveyed through the sAhitya and you see they are just carried to another world. That is the magic of music and the experience can not be explained any more.
Now coming to the subject in hand, we have bhakti as the underlying rasa for most of the song numbers in Carnatic Music and so bhakti has become inseparable from music for several rasikas for several decades now. Though cinema has simplified the sahitya part of it and brought in other rasas into the theme, bhakti dominates the krithis of saints like Thyagaraja. When a rasika hears a Manasasancharare or a Broohi mukundeti the rasika stands before his favourite deity and sings the song himself. That kind of an "advaita sidhdhi" is possible only when bhakti is the underlying rasa built into the song number. Similarly a பார்த்தேன் சிரித்தேன் ..... or a யம்மா யம்மா யம்மா takes one through the lahari of musical delight in an altogether different experience.
Language, religion etc., just do not matter when it comes to music. Music is just a medium. What you aim to experience or enjoy will depend on several other factors. So let Jesus be sung in a piece set to a Sankarabharanam. I will enjoy it if the music is good, the underlying literature induces bhakti bhava and the piece is sung melodiously with discipline. For me God is important. It just does not matter whether it is your god or my god.
I hope I make sense. But then that is the advantage/disadvantage of a linear medium. LOL.
Oye! You are back !
A few days back I was bringing up your gene theory in another post and was calling out to you to.come back to forum cos the genetic confusion theory was gripping my mind like a crocodile and I had to call out for help and now I see you!
Narayana !
I could compose a Fùr Vaagmi!
1. I note that you are calling my theory a "confusion theory".
2. What is Fur?
I may not come here frequently as I used to do earlier. I have found other forums and friends and they are nice and well informed.
What a famished outlook!!!Oye..
Fur Elise is the famous song Beethoven wrote for his student Elise.
Fur is German for For.
So Fur Vaagmi is For Vaagmi!
I couldnt get the font to type 2 dots above the U as how it is in German.
Ohhhhh..so you found a better forum?
Well if its better than this it can only be a porn site cos most other Forums of so called nice and well informed are boring and everyone will be in a SatSang mode and praising Narayana or Krishna or Ramanuja( peace be upon him) or some " tva" group running amok for everything and making fatwa for this and that.
Anyways..
1. I note that you are calling my theory a "confusion theory".
2. What is Fur?
I may not come here frequently as I used to do earlier. I have found other forums and friends and they are nice and well informed.
Oye! You are back !
I could compose a Fùr Vaagmi!
When learned people and learned musicians discuss the matter it would be advisable to keep quite. But as I am wondering as to what is all this noise about, I thought I will say this. I am not good in my knowledge of music. But I have an ear for good music. I think that is enough qualification:
My understanding is this:
1. Music is arranging musical notes in a certain order using several permutations and combinations, adding meaning to the swaras by super imposing the pattern on a substrate which can be a poem/song/poetry/sahitya etc., etc., and then presenting it to an audience through a medium which can be just voice, stringed instrument or wind instrument or just a keyboard electronically mimicking any/all of these instruments. This we can call the production stage in the whole process.
2. Next comes the utility stage of the process. People hear this product and either enjoy or are put off or choose to remain indifferent to the product. The target group for the product requires a certain receptor mechanism to receive and enjoy the music which is in the product. Thus we find carnatic music enthusiasts who get mesmerised by a rAga AlApana because they are tuned to understand and appreciate the streaming flood of notes in everchanging combinations and yet retaining a pattern in them. It is like the chaos theory in play.
3. We find a number of people who do not understand anything about rAgA or thAlA and yet are enchanted by the overall progression of the streaming notes and most importantly about the mood that it creates in them. Add to this the rasa that is conveyed through the sAhitya and you see they are just carried to another world. That is the magic of music and the experience can not be explained any more.
Now coming to the subject in hand, we have bhakti as the underlying rasa for most of the song numbers in Carnatic Music and so bhakti has become inseparable from music for several rasikas for several decades now. Though cinema has simplified the sahitya part of it and brought in other rasas into the theme, bhakti dominates the krithis of saints like Thyagaraja. When a rasika hears a Manasasancharare or a Broohi mukundeti the rasika stands before his favourite deity and sings the song himself. That kind of an "advaita sidhdhi" is possible only when bhakti is the underlying rasa built into the song number. Similarly a பார்த்தேன் சிரித்தேன் ..... or a யம்மா யம்மா யம்மா takes one through the lahari of musical delight in an altogether different experience.
Language, religion etc., just do not matter when it comes to music. Music is just a medium. What you aim to experience or enjoy will depend on several other factors. So let Jesus be sung in a piece set to a Sankarabharanam. I will enjoy it if the music is good, the underlying literature induces bhakti bhava and the piece is sung melodiously with discipline. For me God is important. It just does not matter whether it is your god or my god.
I hope I make sense. But then that is the advantage/disadvantage of a linear medium. LOL.
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