Spiritual Problem Solving

[sravna]

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I have brought up this topic a number of times but I think there is yet not enough clarity on this. By spiritual problem solving I mean solving a problem by spiritual power. I am doing this as a major activity now focussing mainly on health problems. The results have been spectacular including on diseases such as cancer.

But I am not satisfied. I want to understand how exactly the cure happens. I think trying to understand whether mind related problems such as happiness can yield results and if yes how it happens can yield crucial insights. Specifically I want to understand whether there are spiritual laws just like physical laws at work.

We know law of karma is one such major spiritual law. My preliminary hypothesis is this. Law of karma operates because our mind has to get benefited and purified from past experiences. So a reaction occurs for an action and linking of action to reaction teaches a cause effect lesson at the level of the soul and the soul i.e., jivatma evolves. Only when this evolution happens , it can be totally rid of maya.

The question is, are we tampering with this spiritual law when we use spiritual power to solve problems? I think we cannot deny that we constantly are on the look out for solutions to various problems but through means other than spiritual power. I think this might be ok because in the process of solving problems we are also learning. So am I right in saying that gaining knowledge makes active problem solving right instead of just enduring ?

If I use that logic I think it would be acceptable to use spiritual power if in the process of using spiritual power we try to understand the rationale and the mechanics of how it works , disseminating the knowledge and thereby spreading awareness of spirituality? The need of spiritual awareness and knowledge cannot be more acute than it is now. So considering the current times, the acknowledgement of spirituality happens much better if spiritual power is shown to work.

This way we are acting in accordance with the spiritual laws of making people's mind purer by resurrecting spirituality.

What do you think folks?

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,

I find it rather strange that you are able to 'heal' yet you are unsure how your healing works.

It does not matter whether your healing is using "spiritual powers" but you should know why and how it works.

Even if you compare "physical healing"..I surely know how a medication works or does not work for a particular situation..so I find it really strange that you do not yet know how it works yet you are venturing into unknown territory.

Why take chances when you have no idea how it works.Diseases are often Karmic linked... the disease energy can not be destroyed..so by curing with unknown methods..who takes over the Karmic burden? Would it be you?

To be frank there are a lot of other entities who like to mimic being spiritual and "lend" those who are hell bent on spirituality some so called ability and you would be tapping into the energy of the other entity for this..unknowingly you are forming a karmic bond with the entity who might even be pure evil...so indirectly and unknowingly you could be actually be dealing with an evil entity.

Evil does not always present itself as evil..evil "helps" a lot at the beginning but after death one would go to its Loka.

Lord Krishna did clearly say in the Geeta that those who worship elemental spirits,manes,devas etc go to their realm after death.


Personally I feel you should stop this healing cos:

1)You have no idea how it works
2)You have no idea why it works
3)You have no idea where the source of your ability is coming from.
4)You have no idea if your own energy is being drained.
5)You have no idea if you would get the disease of the person you are curing.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

It is not that I do not have any clue into how the healing works. I have gained a number of important insights. It is just that I am trying to put them together. The point is, total understanding of the mechanics of healing is gaining knowledge. I feel that any work that is towards dissemination of right knowledge will not have adverse effects.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

. I feel that any work that is towards dissemination of right knowledge will not have adverse effects.

Not entirely true...anything has a side effect...may be even adverse effects.

If you note all those who claim to do even charitable work usually have screwed up personal lives.

They serve the whole world but manage their own life badly and even neglect the emotional need of their own family.

The idea human being is seldom an extremist..even good extremism has adverse effects.

Most humans who want to go to any extent to help others are usually having personal issues..have you noticed that those who have been hit by adversity usually land up helping others more than usual?

The reason is its not always becos they are more compassionate or had an awakening of any kind its just that when they are down and out helping another person who is in a worse situation than them gives them a silent boost that there is someone who is worse than me..they feel better with that thought.

Someone who is over-helpful or over-hurtful are not much different...both have ulterior motive of making themselves feel better.

BTW Sravna..since you subscribe to the God concept have you ever given a thought that your claims of curing etc could actually be taking you away from the "right" path..cos the focus becomes too much on the ability and not the goal of life anymore.

Its like playing God when one starts to feel that one can tap into the spiritual realm to initiate curing of diseases etc.

Why play God? Playing God can actually be an "evil" design so well camouflaged that you might not even know it and it might just be too late to escape..there is no where to run.

Many people who have had Siddhic powers totally strayed from the path.
What say you? An adverse effect of any kind might not even be realized by you..so why risk yourself?

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

In the past even great people have been using their spiritual power to help others and they also spread right messages for the improvement of mind. So I think there is nothing basically wrong with using spiritual power especially if you also can explain what makes it work or not work.

It is the fear of the unknown that makes us think about spirituality the wrong way. It is a mystery to most of those who believe only in Science. So this idea struck me. Why not explain spirituality in terms of current scientific knowledge and may be logically extend it if required.

To the best of my intuition, I do not foresee anything adverse happening with this approach.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,

It seems to be there is a slight obsession here with spiritual powers.The very thought of harnessing spiritual power can become an addiction.

You say you have started even handling cancer cases..I remember a conversation once with a female who claimed to have spiritual powers..in fact she told me to refer any terminal cases of cancer for her for 'curing".

To me she herself looked deluded..her family life was not how it should have been..I feel she started this so called curing as a form of escapism from the harsh reality of life.

The mind looks for a form of escapism many a times and some start to feel they are gifted with spiritual powers.

I am not saying that you are imagining that you have powers but just a word of caution cos sometimes the thought of having spiritual powers could actually arise due to a unresolved personal conflict.

Back to the conversation between me and that woman who claimed to have powers to cure..she asked me this:

Woman : What do you do with those who are terminally ill?

Me:Refer them to specialist.

Woman:But what if they can not be cured..where do they go?

Me: To the morgue.




Well..she was shocked with my answer..didn't know what to say and walked off and never asked me again anything about sending her some patients to be cured by her so called spiritual powers.

In life we have to get real and be real...even if are depressed or down and out still be grounded to reality and find a way to survive.

We are meant to survive and live and not play God.

The worse possible adverse effect of playing God is not realizing that we need help.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

It is not playing God.It is trying to understand reality better and add upon to our knowledge. We should stop looking at spirituality as something weird or as you think a way of escapism. It is firmly grounded in reality and in fact a more real way of outlook to life than the typical. We somehow along the time as a society seem to have lost touch with this reality and have begun to think the worldly life is what is real.

Let us awaken before it is too late, rediscover spirituality and practice it. My efforts are only towards this direction.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

It is not playing God.It is trying to understand reality better and add upon to our knowledge. We should stop looking at spirituality as something weird or as you think a way of escapism. It is firmly grounded in reality and in fact a more real way of outlook to life than the typical. We somehow along the time as a society seem to have lost touch with this reality and have begun to think the worldly life is what is real.

Let us awaken before it is too late, rediscover spirituality and practice it. My efforts are only towards this direction.

Dear Sravna,

In that case how do you reverse the effect of carcinogenic cells by spiritual healing.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

I only have a understanding at a high level now. I will answer all your questions shortly on the basis of our scientific knowledge. Give me some time.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

I only have a understanding at a high level now. I will answer all your questions shortly on the basis of our scientific knowledge. Give me some time.

Dear Sravna,

Since you do have an understanding now..why wait..you can explain it to me.

I feel my mind is open enough to handle any type of understanding be it from lower,intermediate and higher etc.

Please do not feel that a higher level of understanding needs to be simplified to a scientific level to be understood.

What ever the understanding is..lower,intermediate,higher and beyond..logic is always its main ingredient.

There are NO miracles..everything has a logical explanation is just that sometimes we have not found the pathway for every mechanism or sequence of events.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

From the spiritual perspective:

The explanation is on the basis of advaita philosophy. Every one is divine because the inner self or the soul is the true self and is divine. Being divine it is also all powerful. But what interacts with the external world is its projection, the mind. The mind can either be influenced by the external or the physical reality or the inner spiritual reality. The more unveiled the soul is of maya, the more the mind is influenced by the soul and less by external or physical influences. When the mind is influenced more and more by the soul it also gets its power from the soul and is able to project it to the external world. The power it gets from the soul comes as spiritual energy and this is a harmonising energy or one that is integrating in nature. The body which in essence is a holistic unit when it degenerates due to external influences or passage of time can be integrated or made into a holistic unit again by spiritual energy. When it thus becomes a holistic unit it is rid of its disorder and becomes healthy.

Renuka, the above is a high level understanding and I think the details also would be interesting. I think there is still more spiritually happening and I am trying to understand them.

 

[sangom]

To the best of my understanding and knowledge gathered from various sources, the notion of individual, quanta-type soul/s is an erroneous idea embedded in our scriptures, because even our wise sages and rishis of yore could not imagine something which can be really omnipresent. They has absolutely no inkling of ideas like universal fields like those of gravitation, electromagnetism, etc., and so their imagination could not go beyond individualized souls. That such individualized souls could be made into effective carriers of karma was an added advantage for them! But they propounded a common power pervading through all those individualized souls.

To me, the reality has to be slightly different. That one force which pervades all the souls is what actually pervades each and every living being, and there is no second tier of individual living souls. This 'spirit' is there everywhere and it is rather impossible for the mind (or intellect or any other faculty) to reach up to this spirit, because it is this 'spirit' which activates every faculty of the human being and our scriptures themselves state that the 'knower cannot be known...' etc. Hence, all our beliefs about spirituality are that — just beliefs and not facts.

The human mind is at once strong and weak; it can so firmly believe something that it can convince the person that this belief is solidly true, while at the same time, failing to rationally analyze this belief and coming to a conclusion as to its rationality. So, if someone believes that there is something 'spiritual', that it can somehow be harnessed and controlled for one or another purpose, etc., for that person it will be as true as a rock. It will be very difficult to convince that person with the real truth. We will have to put up with that.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

From the spiritual perspective:

The explanation is on the basis of advaita philosophy. Every one is divine because the inner self or the soul is the true self and is divine. Being divine it is also all powerful. But what interacts with the external world is its projection, the mind. The mind can either be influenced by the external or the physical reality or the inner spiritual reality. The more unveiled the soul is of maya, the more the mind is influenced by the soul and less by external or physical influences. When the mind is influenced more and more by the soul it also gets its power from the soul and is able to project it to the external world. The power it gets from the soul comes as spiritual energy and this is a harmonising energy or one that is integrating in nature. The body which in essence is a holistic unit when it degenerates due to external influences or passage of time can be integrated or made into a holistic unit again by spiritual energy. When it thus becomes a holistic unit it is rid of its disorder and becomes healthy.

Renuka, the above is a high level understanding and I think the details also would be interesting. I think there is still more spiritually happening and I am trying to understand them.

Dear Sravna,

I feel when it comes to understanding anything its better we treat everything as information and assimilate as we go because if we label it as a higher understanding from the start itself we would end up with a closed mind and not have an analytical capacity. To understand anything is all about a discovery and we might actually need to change our stance as we progress.

When we call something high level of understanding we have indirectly closed the chapter and formed our judgment which is usually biased.

I feel you rely on spirituality a lot..I am not saying that is wrong but then again when we hold on to something too tightly our understanding is going to be biased and move on the lines to only prove what we believe is true..so the outcome might not even be the actual truth.

So before we embark on any journey of any kind the best is not to have luggage...we tend to pack our bags with luggage of thoughts shaped by religion and culture which at times paints our mind with the shades that obscure our judgment.

Having saying that...can we first start by dropping even the concept of Advaita.

Once upon a time I subscribed to all these..not that I am saying its wrong but I do not want any philosophy to shape my judgement too soon.

My first question:


1) What exactly do you mean by the phrase "Spiritual energy is harmonizing in nature"?

What is your definition of harmonizing?

The fact is that even the universe goes thru phases of generation,organization and dissolution on regular basis.

Take our human body for example..daily cells are generated,organized and even undergoes dissolution.

Nature has these functions going on in the background without we even realizing it.

Creative forces and destructive forces govern nature..so in your definition of harmonizing how would you place all these changes we see in nature?

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

When I mean high level , I mean it is not understood in details but only at the level of concept. As you see the whole or the big picture the details automatically follow.

I just have this concept of energy as either harmonizing and disharmonizing in nature. A disharmonizing energy is characterized by force whereas a harmonizing energy is not. You can call them as destructive and constructive forces resp though I do not like to use the term force when talking about spiritual energy.

I will share the details once I get more clarity on that.

 

[sravna]

So, if someone believes that there is something 'spiritual', that it can somehow be harnessed and controlled for one or another purpose, etc., for that person it will be as true as a rock. It will be very difficult to convince that person with the real truth. We will have to put up with that.

Dear Shri Sangom,

You believe in the truth of Science only because it gives empirical proof. The same empirical poof can be provided for spirituality along with how and why it works.

Why would you not believe in the truth of spirituality then?

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

When I mean high level , I mean it is not understood in details but only at the level of concept. As you see the whole or the big picture the details automatically follow.

I just have this concept of energy as either harmonizing and disharmonizing in nature. A disharmonizing energy is characterized by force whereas a harmonizing energy is not. You can call them as destructive and constructive forces resp though I do not like to use the term force when talking about spiritual energy.

I will share the details once I get more clarity on that.

Dear Sravna,

Have you ever thought that if Harmonizing itself involves generation,organization and dissolution?

BTW Sravna..remember some time back you wanted to reduced summer heat in Chennai..wont that act itself actually de-harmonize nature?

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

Have you ever thought that if Harmonizing itself involves generation,organization and dissolution?

BTW Sravna..remember some time back you wanted to reduced summer heat in Chennai..wont that act itself actually de-harmonize nature?

Dear Renuka,

Only when I present the whole theory it would really make sense. Please wait for some time. Bits and pieces reasoning would benefit no one.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

Only when I present the whole theory it would really make sense. Please wait for some time. Bits and pieces reasoning would benefit no one.

Dear Sravna,

I think you said something similar recently..to wait for you to present the whole theory.

I am waiting for answers..why so long to present your theory?

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

I think you said something similar recently..to wait for you to present the whole theory.

I am waiting for answers..why so long to present your theory?

Dear Renuka,

I am no getting it at the level of details I want to. Since I am relying only on intuition, I think it will take some time. I am trying to use the vedic knowledge for high level understanding though. I will share them once I get satisfactory answers.