Street children survive on porn, not food

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According to child activists and NGOs working with these children, most of them are hooked to either porn movies or video games and spend most of their earnings on them, on occasions forgetting to eat.

"I can sit for hours playing video games or watching movies. I spend Rs.50 or more on them. So I have stopped eating from outside and survive on tea and beedis," Vishal Kushwaha, a rag picker, said. The 17-year-old rag-picker makes Rs.150 to Rs.200 a day.

"We watch the movies in a tea stall which has television sets and [COLOR=#0000FF !important]DVD players[/COLOR]," said Kushwaha, who along with a dozen teenagers regularly watches porn in Sarai Kale Khan in south Delhi.

Showing no embarrassment while talking about his "addiction", Kushwaha said that every night he watches at least two or three porn movies.

But this is not the story of just one child.

Social activists allege police fail to take action against porn video hubs that are abundant in east Delhi (Nand Nagri and Sundar Nagri) and south Delhi (Sarai Kale Khan and Hazrat Nizamuddin).

"Counselling children, most of the time, doesn't serve the purpose. Children get back to the habit. There are nearly 20,000 illegal video and porn movie parlours in Delhi, which take at least Rs. 60 a day from each kid. The police are inactive. A crackdown on such illegal parlours is the need of the hour," CHETNA director Sanjay Gupta said.

Street children survive on porn, not food - The Times of India

Could this be the reason of moral degeneration?

 

[sangom]

According to child activists and NGOs working with these children, most of them are hooked to either porn movies or video games and spend most of their earnings on them, on occasions forgetting to eat.

"I can sit for hours playing video games or watching movies. I spend Rs.50 or more on them. So I have stopped eating from outside and survive on tea and beedis," Vishal Kushwaha, a rag picker, said. The 17-year-old rag-picker makes Rs.150 to Rs.200 a day.

"We watch the movies in a tea stall which has television sets and [COLOR=#0000FF !important]DVD players[/COLOR]," said Kushwaha, who along with a dozen teenagers regularly watches porn in Sarai Kale Khan in south Delhi.

Showing no embarrassment while talking about his "addiction", Kushwaha said that every night he watches at least two or three porn movies.

But this is not the story of just one child.

Social activists allege police fail to take action against porn video hubs that are abundant in east Delhi (Nand Nagri and Sundar Nagri) and south Delhi (Sarai Kale Khan and Hazrat Nizamuddin).

"Counselling children, most of the time, doesn't serve the purpose. Children get back to the habit. There are nearly 20,000 illegal video and porn movie parlours in Delhi, which take at least Rs. 60 a day from each kid. The police are inactive. A crackdown on such illegal parlours is the need of the hour," CHETNA director Sanjay Gupta said.

Street children survive on porn, not food - The Times of India

Could this be the reason of moral degeneration?

I feel it is such exposure to porn that is the root cause of increasing rapes.

 

[C RAVI]

I feel it is such exposure to porn that is the root cause of increasing rapes.

Yes Sir!! That's why I said in another thread that, in India, where population, poverty and corruptions are in peak

1) Block "All" the Porn Sites
2) Block/Stop all "Phone Sex" Services
3) Stop showing Adult Sex Movies in Cinemas

Across the Globe all the humans need Sex Fulfillment. And people have many ways and means to satisfy their physical needs. Hardly few people restrain themselves from indulging in sex unless one could get a legitimate partner.

Many, especially poor and uneducated guys are contributing towards most of Rape Crimes.

And then, there are the rapists who have everything to live a good life and want to satisfy their lust from any one around them including from their work place. These folks from middle and higher strata of the society go for girl friend/boy friend relationship only until they could get sexual fulfillment from their partner, go for live-in-relationship to get exhausted with fulfillment of lust (like 25 years old Bollywood actress Jiah Khan who was in live-in-relationship with 21 years old Suraj Pancholi and ended up committing suicide after she was been used, squeezed and left to be not a legitimate spouse. There are many such abuses in such live-in relationship among the couples who are not celebrities and their stories seldom surface) and go for socializing with the intention of brainwashing the girls to consider intercourse as a pleasure filled casual affair and needs of a grown up adult with all their liberty (both like minded men and women are many who lure others into their trap, a woman brainwashes another woman to get into such practices).

I have traveled across India and have heard guys talking, from all strata of the society. Almost all Poor people from teen aged to grown up adults are many who knows how middle class and well to do people are enjoying sex with all their ways and means and how these underprivileged are left with nothing, considering their status. They know the much happenings in this glittering Globalized world-Call Centers/BPO's, Corporate World, Sex Tourism and Partner Swapping. They also know how effectively Web Cams are used among the people around them, for sexual gratification and satisfaction.

Many of these poor and starving folks across India are committing rape crimes, many of which remains unreported and even the family members of a rape victim does not know. When these rapists get more confidence out of couple of successful encounters, go about violently attacking and raping any girl in any place, under any circumstances.

 

[Raji Ram]

according to child activists and ngos working with these children, most of them are hooked to either porn movies or video games and spend most of their earnings on them, on occasions forgetting to eat.
...............
Could this be the reason of moral degeneration?

Yes! 200%

 

[Raji Ram]

Most of the movies show that a highly placed pretty girl will first fight with a rogue and then sing a duet song

with the same guy in the following reels! The degradation of morale is due to these movies also! out:

 

[auh]

This may not be true of all street children in India, and perhaps could be true for the metros.

Video games and movies (especially porn) are deadly addictions not only for street children, but for the average adult as well.

 

[sangom]

Yesterday, I happened to discuss this with a person who has done extensive surveys of the vagrant children in Delhi & Mumbai, for an insurance company which, reportedly, has - consequent to the survey - also financed the rehabilitation of around 20,000 such children through a massive programme (read - funding). That gentleman told me that in Delhi the smaller kids are brought every day in the wee hours in some conveyance and they are unloaded at each "spot" where they may beg, rag-pick or even pick-pocket but have to meet the target for daily collection. They have to hand over their earnings almost every hour to appointed "supervisors" who beat them mercilessly if they fail to make the daily target at the end of the day. These children, when they grow into their teens, become uncontrollable and are most often lured by the drug mafia which affords them physical protection from their earlier owners/supervisors.

Possibly, the news report talks about such 'out-grown' kids only.

In Mumbai, it seems most of these children are on their own, no bosses to control. But they fall into the hands of the drug peddlers even at an early age. Girls take to prostitution (of whatever kind possible) even before they attain puberty and, after that, they earn through regular, normal prostitution.

Much of the earnings of these kids is spent on drugs and watching porno, in both the metros, and usually, the sexually excited male teenagers get what they want from the girls in their own category; but occasionally some fellows go out for adventure and, as a gang, catch hold of any girl who attracts their attention and rape, if circumstances are favourable.

Many such cases are not be becoming public because, the victim and her family try their best to cover up such things so that their "ijjath" or standing in the society is not lost and, if the girl is unmarried, her chance of getting married in the future is not lost completely.

I have no reason to doubt these details, coming from a person of good standing.

 

[renuka]

Most of the movies show that a highly placed pretty girl will first fight with a rogue and then sing a duet song

with the same guy in the following reels! The degradation of morale is due to these movies also! out:

Dear RR ji,

I think this is the general Indian and PIO mindset that a girl should respond to a man's advances no matter what...even when it comes to arranged marriage proposals men expect a woman to say Yes to him no matter what.

The average indian/PIO male thinks that a women has no right to reject a male.

They feel there is no valid reason for a female to say No to them but there might be 101 reasons for male to reject a female.

That is why this type of thinking is shown in song and dance sequence where hero tries for girl....first she refuses and than she falls for him.

This is just to please the male ego that a female will fall into the trap eventually.

 

[renuka]

1) Block "All" the Porn Sites

Won't make much of a difference...people will start making home made clips and circulate it online too.
BTW if all sites are blocked..to a certain extent broadband companies might have to shut down cos there won't be anyone interested to go online anymore!LOL


Ravi have you given a thought what would happen to the actors of R*dtube if your suggestion is taken?

We also have to consider the loss of their livelihood.What about their family??

 

[renuka]

nt J Law Psychiatry. 1991;14(1-2):47-64.
Pornography and rape: theory and practice? Evidence from crime data in four countries where pornography is easily available.

Kutchinsky B.
Source

Institute of Criminal Science, University of Copenhagen, Denmark.

Abstract

We have looked at the empirical evidence of the well-known feminist dictum: "pornography is the theory--rape is the practice" (Morgan, 1980). While earlier research, notably that generated by the U.S. Commission on Obscenity and Pornography (1970) had found no evidence of a causal link between pornography and rape, a new generation of behavioral scientists have, for more than a decade, made considerable effort to prove such a connection, especially as far as "aggressive pornography" is concerned.

The first part of the article examines and discusses the findings of this new research. A number of laboratory experiments have been conducted, much akin to the types of experiments developed by researchers of the effects of nonsexual media violence.

As in the latter, a certain degree of increased "aggressiveness" has been found under certain circumstances, but to extrapolate from such laboratory effects to the commission of rape in real life is dubious. Studies of rapists' and nonrapists' immediate sexual reactions to presentations of pornography showed generally greater arousal to non-violent scenes, and no difference can be found in this regard between convicted rapists, nonsexual criminals and noncriminal males.

In the second part of the paper an attempt was made to study the necessary precondition for a substantial causal relationship between the availability of pornography, including aggressive pornography, and rape--namely, that obviously increased availability of such material was followed by an increase in cases of reported rape.

The development of rape and attempted rape during the period 1964-1984 was studied in four countries: the U.S.A., Denmark, Sweden and West Germany. In all four countries there is clear and undisputed evidence that during this period the availability of various forms of pictorial pornography including violent/dominant varieties (in the form of picture magazines, and films/videos used at home or shown in arcades or cinemas) has developed from extreme scarcity to relative abundance.

If (violent) pornography causes rape, this exceptional development in the availability of (violent) pornography should definitely somehow influence the rape statistics. Since, however, the rape figures could not simply be expected to remain steady during the period in question (when it is well known that most other crimes increased considerably), the development of rape rates was compared with that of non-sexual violent offences and nonviolent sexual offences (in so far as available statistics permitted).

The results showed that in none of the countries did rape increase more than nonsexual violent crimes. This finding in itself would seem sufficient to discard the hypothesis that pornography causes rape.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 400 WORDS)


PMID: 2032762 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

 

[auh]

I agree with post 8.

Yesterday I saw a movie "Theeya Velai Seiyanum Kumaru", and the story line was pathetic. The protagonist works towards a breakup, between his sweetheart and her boyfriend, on some flimsy premises - handsome guys are flirty, and creates totally unbelievable situations that show that he has relations with girls for time pass. etc. And it does break up. The girl, in retaliation, has no other option but to fall for our love-sick hero who jumps up at almost all the right occasions throwing pointers.

And when the love is supposedly confirmed, our hero lays bare the truth about his hand in the previous break up. And perfectly justified as he sincerely loves her. She resents, naturally, and tries to leave him for good.

The way in which our darling hero brings about a turnaround in her heart in a totally filmy way takes the cake, even when the girl learns about it.

Most movies are subtly imbibing male superiority, physical abuse, colour discrimination (boy can be dark, but the girl - NO) and has created the cult of the roadside romeo into a big hit with the masses.

 

[C RAVI]

I agree with post 8.

Yesterday I saw a movie "Theeya Velai Seiyanum Kumaru", and the story line was pathetic. The protagonist works towards a breakup, between his sweetheart and her boyfriend, on some flimsy premises - handsome guys are flirty, and creates totally unbelievable situations that show that he has relations with girls for time pass. etc. And it does break up. The girl, in retaliation, has no other option but to fall for our love-sick hero who jumps up at almost all the right occasions throwing pointers.

And when the love is supposedly confirmed, our hero lays bare the truth about his hand in the previous break up. And perfectly justified as he sincerely loves her. She resents, naturally, and tries to leave him for good.

The way in which our darling hero brings about a turnaround in her heart in a totally filmy way takes the cake, even when the girl learns about it.

Most movies are subtly imbibing male superiority, physical abuse, colour discrimination (boy can be dark, but the girl - NO) and has created the cult of the roadside romeo into a big hit with the masses.

Dear Mr./Ms.AUH,

I watched this movie in Cinema here, the day when it was released. In this movie or in any movie it is not highlighted that a Girl has "no right" to reject a guy's proposal. It only shows that guy's go to any extent and do some thing or other to win a girl's heart for himself. Whether a girl accepts him or not is purely filmy and in reality things may be or may not be different.

Male Superiority? - In movies that has romantic theme, the Hero is projected as a kind hearted good guy who wins a girl's heart. Either the hero falls in love or the heroine falls in love with him. In such stories nothing would be shown as male superiority over a female. In fact, this Hero would be extraordinarily pleasing to his love.

Physcial abuse? - Are you talking about villain part in the movie that probably reflects the real villain in our real society?

Color discrimination? - In movies, audience wants to see only fair skinned, well structured, sexy and beautiful heroine only. The Cinema industry is highly influenced/impacted mostly by men. Ladies would like a hero or dislike a hero only by his personality and acting skills no matter his skin color.

In real life I have come across many many couples as lovers and love marriages where girls are darker to much darker in complexion.

 

[sangom]

nt J Law Psychiatry. 1991;14(1-2):47-64.
Pornography and rape: theory and practice? Evidence from crime data in four countries where pornography is easily available.

Kutchinsky B.
Source

Institute of Criminal Science, University of Copenhagen, Denmark.

Abstract

We have looked at the empirical evidence of the well-known feminist dictum: "pornography is the theory--rape is the practice" (Morgan, 1980). While earlier research, notably that generated by the U.S. Commission on Obscenity and Pornography (1970) had found no evidence of a causal link between pornography and rape, a new generation of behavioral scientists have, for more than a decade, made considerable effort to prove such a connection, especially as far as "aggressive pornography" is concerned.

The first part of the article examines and discusses the findings of this new research. A number of laboratory experiments have been conducted, much akin to the types of experiments developed by researchers of the effects of nonsexual media violence.

As in the latter, a certain degree of increased "aggressiveness" has been found under certain circumstances, but to extrapolate from such laboratory effects to the commission of rape in real life is dubious. Studies of rapists' and nonrapists' immediate sexual reactions to presentations of pornography showed generally greater arousal to non-violent scenes, and no difference can be found in this regard between convicted rapists, nonsexual criminals and noncriminal males.

In the second part of the paper an attempt was made to study the necessary precondition for a substantial causal relationship between the availability of pornography, including aggressive pornography, and rape--namely, that obviously increased availability of such material was followed by an increase in cases of reported rape.

The development of rape and attempted rape during the period 1964-1984 was studied in four countries: the U.S.A., Denmark, Sweden and West Germany. In all four countries there is clear and undisputed evidence that during this period the availability of various forms of pictorial pornography including violent/dominant varieties (in the form of picture magazines, and films/videos used at home or shown in arcades or cinemas) has developed from extreme scarcity to relative abundance.

If (violent) pornography causes rape, this exceptional development in the availability of (violent) pornography should definitely somehow influence the rape statistics. Since, however, the rape figures could not simply be expected to remain steady during the period in question (when it is well known that most other crimes increased considerably), the development of rape rates was compared with that of non-sexual violent offences and nonviolent sexual offences (in so far as available statistics permitted).

The results showed that in none of the countries did rape increase more than nonsexual violent crimes. This finding in itself would seem sufficient to discard the hypothesis that pornography causes rape.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 400 WORDS)


PMID: 2032762 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

Ref: The highlighted portion in blue. I feel that such studies have no world-wide appilcability. For India, we must have an India-specific study.

 

[renuka]

Ref: The highlighted portion in blue. I feel that such studies have no world-wide appilcability. For India, we must have an India-specific study.

Dear Sangom ji,

I agree with what you wrote since even before I had suggested to a desi survey.

Actually I am starting to think that may be the desi male gets influenced by anything/everything much easier than their western counterparts.

We need samples for a survey...healthy normal desi samples as a comparison too.

Any volunteers??LOL

 

[C RAVI]

Ref: The highlighted portion in blue. I feel that such studies have no world-wide appilcability. For India, we must have an India-specific study.

Shri Sangom, you are right.


Western world is crazy!!! They come with many such studies to promote something.

Porn industry is a Billion dollar industry in US. Many European countries as well are active in many sort of sexual entertainment that contributes a lot for their economic growth.

In the name of Individual liberty, Individual Choice etc..etc no matter how people are inter-related, these western folks collectively have a different mind set and attitude. As well, comparatively law and order are much streamlined with very less of corruption.

As such, Pornography specifically need not to impact and need not to do any harm to these Liberal western folks.


In India, with population, poverty and corruption in its peak, as well with lack of education and restricted social norms/culture, the pornography are potential simulators that kindles perverted urge in these growing children on the streets (as mentioned in the OP) as well as in grown up adults from every strata of the society. These stimulating pornography has made many descent guys have sex with a known girl just for the sake of experiencing the pleasures of sex and have made many girls as well to willingly get into exploring the pleasures.


Many are the people from the lower strata of the society, across India, who are indulging in rape/gang rape etc, having consumed liquor and deliberately watching pornography to get into extreme arousal with which to go about finding/luring/attacking a female to rape her.

 

[renuka]

Lets be brutally honest here.

I am pretty sure many members here regardless of marital status or virginity status could have surfed porn sites before and checked out likes of Sunny Leone or Priya Anjali Rai etc.

Now don't give me bull like no one knows who Sunny Leone is!LOL

I am also very sure no member has raped anyone after seeing porn.

So sometimes this survey even though conducted on western subjects might still have some truth in it..after all it was conducted by professionals in the field of criminal psychology.

There is no desi study done in so detail so there is a probability that results and findings might not differ that much.

 

[sarang]

This is a classic example of how conclusions are arrived at by many learned intellectuals and published in prestigious journals. Some conclude with minimum or no data, some by manipulating data, and some by pure and fertile imagination!

This joke was popular among Ph.D students; the student rushing to his guide - sir, I plotted the two parameters I measured yesterday, and I have got a straight line. The guide admonishes him not to be hasty, and tells him, for safety's sake, take two more readings and check whether they too form a straight line.

There is no desi study done in so detail so there is a probability that results and findings might not differ that much.

 

[sangom]

Lets be brutally honest here.

I am pretty sure many members here regardless of marital status or virginity status could have surfed porn sites before and checked out likes of Sunny Leone or Priya Anjali Rai etc.

Now don't give me bull like no one knows who Sunny Leone is!LOL

I am also very sure no member has raped anyone after seeing porn.

So sometimes this survey even though conducted on western subjects might still have some truth in it..after all it was conducted by professionals in the field of criminal psychology.

There is no desi study done in so detail so there is a probability that results and findings might not differ that much.

Smt. Renuka,

I feel you have been a little brutal here, in the above post.

May be you will understand this: I have a family friend who is somewhat "sensitive" by physical constitution, whereas his wife is having a very robust type of body. When they attend marriages etc., and eat meals there, very often the husband gets some stomach problem but the wife "poo poohs", saying "you see I also ate the same food in the same table and I have no problem. You are merely imagining and you have no problem."

Your deduction appears very similar, to me. Sorry, I cannot agree.

 

[wrongan]

Three servant maids whom I know has said even though their sisters are well settled in life they have come to be housemaids because of failed marriages.They fell in love with unworthy fellows carried away by scenes in tamil pictures.specifically they repent for believing the cenematic acts as real.So it is true that cenima plays a vital role in spoiling the younger generation no doubt.

 

[Raji Ram]

Three servant maids whom I know has said even though their sisters are well settled in life they have come to be housemaids because of failed marriages.They fell in love with unworthy fellows carried away by scenes in tamil pictures.specifically they repent for believing the cenematic acts as real.So it is true that cinema plays a vital role in spoiling the younger generation no doubt.

Thanks for supporting my views, Sir!

My helper maid's daughter, just seventeen, for whom she took a bank loan for college studies, eloped with her boy friend,

much elder to her just a week prior to joining college! I consoled her saying that she was saved from wasting hard earned

money on this thankless girl! Nothing is known much about that girl's whereabouts!!

 

[renuka]

This is a classic example of how conclusions are arrived at by many learned intellectuals and published in prestigious journals. Some conclude with minimum or no data, some by manipulating data, and some by pure and fertile imagination!

This joke was popular among Ph.D students; the student rushing to his guide - sir, I plotted the two parameters I measured yesterday, and I have got a straight line. The guide admonishes him not to be hasty, and tells him, for safety's sake, take two more readings and check whether they too form a straight line.

Smt. Renuka,

I feel you have been a little brutal here, in the above post.

May be you will understand this: I have a family friend who is somewhat "sensitive" by physical constitution, whereas his wife is having a very robust type of body. When they attend marriages etc., and eat meals there, very often the husband gets some stomach problem but the wife "poo poohs", saying "you see I also ate the same food in the same table and I have no problem. You are merely imagining and you have no problem."

Your deduction appears very similar, to me. Sorry, I cannot agree.

Dear Sarang ji and Sangom Ji,

Actually my take home point for the day was not any case study or psychology etc...the take home point was calculating how many members would have Google searched Sunny and Priya yesterday!LOL

 

[auh]

Actually my take home point for the day was not any case study or psychology etc...the take home point was calculating how many members would have Google searched Sunny and Priya yesterday!LOL

My first take home point for the day is your psychological usage of Sunny & Priya. Nice names and nice gals

 

[auh]

Dear Mr./Ms.AUH,

I watched this movie in Cinema here, the day when it was released. In this movie or in any movie it is not highlighted that a Girl has "no right" to reject a guy's proposal. It only shows that guy's go to any extent and do some thing or other to win a girl's heart for himself. Whether a girl accepts him or not is purely filmy and in reality things may be or may not be different.

Male Superiority? - In movies that has romantic theme, the Hero is projected as a kind hearted good guy who wins a girl's heart. Either the hero falls in love or the heroine falls in love with him. In such stories nothing would be shown as male superiority over a female. In fact, this Hero would be extraordinarily pleasing to his love.

Physcial abuse? - Are you talking about villain part in the movie that probably reflects the real villain in our real society?

Color discrimination? - In movies, audience wants to see only fair skinned, well structured, sexy and beautiful heroine only. The Cinema industry is highly influenced/impacted mostly by men. Ladies would like a hero or dislike a hero only by his personality and acting skills no matter his skin color.

In real life I have come across many many couples as lovers and love marriages where girls are darker to much darker in complexion.

Hi Ravi,

It is actually quite interesting to discuss in a forum without revealing the gender, but for the sake of your easy typing, I am a "Mister"

The movie hints that a girl has to digest the atrocious advances of a guy, simply because "he" decides that his is the true love. I would probably have liked the movie if the girl had thrown him off, after knowing that he has cheated, and had accepted the earlier relationship. You see then, the macho tamil man would doubt her "true love" and that is what is being augmented by such plots.

Male superiority - It is so obvious that I am surprised that you dont see it. Most (tamil) movies have the character of the heroine play dumb and probably fitted the role to display only her hip grinding ability, but in the real world, I admit that women are much smarter and better than most men.

Physical abuse - Who gave the right for a husband/lover to slap the wife/gf? It is very rare that a girl gets to slap back. Don't you agree?

Colour discrimination - Heroes may be brown black, jet black, charcoal black, or black black, but the heroine has to be a "velutha kutti". Even dusky heroines are "made up" to look fair. It is the Indian psyche, I guess that being fair is equated to being handsome/pretty.

Real life is obviously different. It has to be. And that shows the glaring mistakes of the movies. I cannot foist the blame on the movie makers, for a movie is but a poetry in visual, and exaggarations are but the beauty. It is only when it touches such sentiments that it needs a gentle correction.

 

[renuka]

My first take home point for the day is your psychological usage of Sunny & Priya. Nice names and nice gals

Dear Auh,

Thank you sir.

They are brave Indian girls not afraid to be what they desire.

 

[C RAVI]

Sunny & Priya, What a paradigm of Indian Female Bravery!!! LOL!!!