Supreme court >>> kushboo's case

[drsundaram]

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The Times of India Bangalore edition of dt 24th March reports that Supreme Court has maintained that there is nothing illegal on premarital sex and live in relationships between adults. While reserving its verdict, the court wants to know what is abhorrent in Kushboo’s views !!! The special bench had also referred to the recent judgement of Delhi High court legalising consensual sexual relation between adults.
With due respects to the Bench,
One would expect the learned judges to atleast make a mention of the moral values and Indian cultures was upheld. On the other hand, the honourable judges have drawn mythology of Radha and Krishna living together to substantiate its point.
Even in advanced / western counties if the live –in culture is practiced that country never has so far advocated this as a court’s approval, I think...
The court’s opinion is sure to send wrong signals & erroneous ideas to young men and women whose minds are already swayed by so many external situations to relation to sex..
Where will this verdict take the Indian culture to!!!
There may not be a law to prohibit pre marital sex but it is a largely accepted and practised moral norm in India making even western countries to hold Indian ethos in high esteem..
It is strange that the highest court of country is asking the counsel why "he should be concerned" and "in what way he is affected".
The Fundamental Rights enshrined in our Constitution are not without moral boundries or ethical concern for Society’s welfare.
Any way we Indians are used to be too enduring and accepting anything whatever happens in & around us with meek obedience and this is yet another..
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[sunkan]

dear mr sundaram,
i also note it is so sad that these days SC is giving new life to those things which are alien to our culture, though many have been following living in and extra marital relation it was never generalized or focused upon but now anyone can misuse the powers being enforced on the other side one gets alimony or maintenance for the children of these relation, which could save the children of the morrow from going going astray.....sunkan

 

[renuka]

Oh my God...what ill informed judges...Radha and Krsna living togather ?
Hey these judges are brain dead or what?

Radha is Prakrithi and Krsna is Purusha..Prakrithi is a projection of Purusha...Of course they will be togather...
Radha had the purest form of devotion for God...
Why these judges have no sense in their mind...just seeing the world through lust tinted glasses....

renu

 

[RVR]

Supreme court should have avoided quoting from Hindu literature.

A free debate about sex before marriage may be permitted if Khusbhu really wanted.

Those who opposed the same should have behaved in a much civilized manner without throwing stones and rotton eggs at Khusbhu.

If supreme court believes that Radha and Krishna had affairs without marriage, do they also accept Ram temple existed at the place where Babri Masjid was demolished.

Do they accept Rama Sethu existed.

I think supreme court has exceeded its authority and they should just pronounce judgement based on the merits of the case. I wish a Senior competent lawyer argues the case against Kushbhu and correct the verbal observations of the court.

All the best

 

[sunkan]

dear RVR,
one of the judge's name is Balakrishnan....

 

[aramakrishnan1]

All the western intellectuals and missionaries look at the Hindu Gods, Epics, Vedas in the materialistic purview and hence they cannot understand even a bit of the spiritual significance of them. Many writers quote that Krishna was in love with a lot of Gopikas without looking at the spiritual significance of it. If the Supreme Court also looks at indian scriptures with the western missionary eyes, then Hinduism can be surely phased out of India.

 

[RVR]

It is not the case about whether sex could be permitted before marriage or not.

Sex is their from time immemorial.

Sex was also misused from time immemorial.

But for obvious reasons, it is not discussed openly.

Why Kushbhu is instigating younger generation for pre-marriage sex? Is it correct?

Whatever happening here and there should not be construed that it is happening every where. Whatever happing in film world may not happen outside that world.

This question has to be fought at the apex court by a competent lawyer.

Supreme court has to pronounce judgement only on this aspect.

All the best

 

[tbs]

even in western countries not completely accepted gay/lesbian marriages fully...but our courts are already started/permitted
gay marriages in india....the pros/cons are very negative....
so the human society will be corrupted....even our own legal
officials quoting kamasutra/temple scriptures to support them...now
started quoting sri krishna with radhaji....sri krishna is paramatma
and radhaji is jeevatma.....its purely advaitha philosophy..
its jeevatma with paramatma tatvam...these ppl never learn and always
try to criticize hindu gods./goddess....no guts to talk about allah/jesus christ....

regards
tbs

 

[renuka]

...now
started quoting sri krishna with radhaji....sri krishna is paramatma
and radhaji is jeevatma.....its purely advaitha philosophy..
its jeevatma with paramatma tatvam...these ppl never learn and always
try to criticize hindu gods./goddess....no guts to talk about allah/jesus christ....

regards
tbs

100% correct...TBSJi....
Imagine a learned person that too a judge can lower God...
At least Nithyananda did not degrade God...he only degraded himself but its still Nithyananda who is facing the firing squad...
What about the jugde ? why is he not facing the firing squad...

renu

 

[C RAVI]

I think citing the example of Lord Muruga (Tamil God), one fine day the supreme court, subsequent to the judgement of Chennai High court will help pass the bill in parliament announcing atleast 2 marriages leagal, at leat in Tamil Nadu....ound:

Probably one of the Super Star will be initiating the efforts and would help the whole lot of public who all need not to be afraid of having a Chinna Veedu..:bounce:

 

[renuka]

I think citing the example of Lord Muruga (Tamil God), one fine day the supreme court, subsequent to the judgement of Chennai High court will help pass the bill in parliament announcing atleast 2 marriages leagal, at leat in Tamil Nadu....ound:

Probably one of the Super Star will be initiating the efforts and would help the whole lot of public who all need not to be afraid of having a Chinna Veedu..:bounce:

Way to go Ravi....

Just want to add another point here...you know Nithyananda only caused a scandal for himself...but this judge scandalized God itself....

So whose crime is bigger....I guess I will let Yama Dharmaraj decide that much later..

renu

 

[RVR]

I just spoke to Dr Subramanyam Swamy's office and Dr Swamy is not available right now and will be available only after 29th March 2010.

I am going to personally request Dr Swamy to take up the matter at appropriate levels so that such unwarranted remarks about our religion are withdrawn or at least not repeated in the future.

Supreme court judges are suppose to uphold the law of the land only and have no business to talk about Hindu religion or its Gods.

All the best

 

[renuka]

I just spoke to Dr Subramanyam Swamy's office and Dr Swamy is not available right now and will be available only after 29th March 2010.

I am going to personally request Dr Swamy to take up the matter at appropriate levels so that such unwarranted remarks about our religion are withdrawn or at least not repeated in the future.

Supreme court judges are suppose to uphold the law of the land only and have no business to talk about Hindu religion or its Gods.

All the best

Thank You RVR anna,

God bless you always....

renu

 

[pvraman]

We are in a 21st Century and we have to expect these things..
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Sometimes I wonder. We have a பழமொழி. "ஐந்தில் வளையாதது, ஐம்பதில் வளையுமா?". The Moral and character will not be affected either way just because court says so. But it will be affected if it is not properly taught at a tender age. Parents are the first teachers. And the teachers are responsible for a children's mental and moral growth.

I do not think now the parents are having time to teach the kids any moral, and the gurus are busy to make money themselves and serve the govts., so the children grow up without having any importance attached to these values.

Regards

 

[[email protected]]

To RVR sir, This judges are entering back door of SC so they act to the tunes of the Politicians whom the recommened for the post. The Law is dead and only amanments exitsiting. Let pray GOD to Give them Got thoughts, s.r.k.

 

[BALAGOPAL]

Dr.sundaram, god save our country!-morality is down to the core, judges of highest court encouraging, where we are going?-it is happening in the land of kannagi-karpukkarasi and the land of sita, embodiment of women virtues.
Now you can expect a more virulent form of aids and people dying like flies!
How can they quote lord krishna and radha with the most impurest perception in their mind.as long as hindus are weak, these things will happen.
Balagopal

 

[BHUVANACHANDER]

I think we should analyse the judgement dispassionately.the supreme court had basically questioned the locus standi of persons who had challenged khusbu.
Indians would never accept pre-marital sex but the judgement is not primafacie wrong legally
fundamental rights are not to be seen as something within moral boundaries.they are to be within legal boundaries.kindly do not forget that our laws do not prohibit sex between consenting adults but the reason for the decay in the thinking of persons like khusbu,suhasinie(who supported khusbu) etc is due to cultural degradation driven by materialistic thoughts.we need spirutual leaders not dealers

 

[Nara]

What an outrage!

Hello folks,

The supreme court has spoken, but that does not mean that anyone who feels outraged must just accept it and go home. Organize and protest, that is the democratic way. Whether it is Roy protesting on behalf of the adivasees or RVR sir protesting Supreme Court judgment, I stand with the rights of people to protest, peaceably of course.

Now, what is the outrage about again? Is it sex before marriage should not be legal? Or, is it cohabitation must not be legal? Perhaps you object that in our culture we must not talk about it? Or, Radha and Krishna should not be mentioned by the justices, is that it? May be you are against the whole amorphous thing because you feel it is against our culture and it sends wrong message to youngsters?

Have you people seen any Tamil movies lately? All the gyrating and suggestive puke inducing dancing, is that part of the culture that the justices are against?

If we go back a few hundred years, it is the Hindu culture that is credited with showing the world what eroticism really means and how to truly enjoy coital pleasures. The Kama sutra is even supposed to describe how to woo someone else's wife, for goodness sake. Have you read Vikramaditya stories, many oozing sex.

Go back some more years, Arjuna is supposed to have gone all over India and spread his seed in every nook and corner. Dasaratha is supposed to have married one woman everyday to escape the sword of Parasurama. Upanishads talk of women servants providing all sorts of services to the men of rich families.

In our own land of Kannagi, sanga literature is full of kaLaviyal and kaRpiyal. What is kalaviyal, the exact thing people are getting all excited about, pre-marital sex.

From what I understand, Kushboo was trying to promote safe sex. Her point was that many youngsters are doing it anyway, and it is not prudent to expect every girl to remain snowflake pure till marriage, so protect yourself by using condom. That is it, all hell broke loose some 5 years ago.

A sensible message, is seen as an outrage. Once a literal goddess with actual temple built for her is now seen as maligning the sanctity of womanhood.

How we all adore Kannagi and Sita, don't we? How we like our women to be like them, subservient, ever faithful, obedient. But men, oh well, the rate of HIV in Tamilnadu speaks for itself.

What did the judges say that is so objectionable? Here is what I found in Times Online:

The judges, however, challenged lawyers acting for the complainants to produce evidence of any girl running away with a lover in response to Khushboo’s comments. “Please tell us what is the offence and under which section should she be charged? Tell me how many people have been affected by Kushboo’s statement?” asked Chief Justice K. G. Balakrishnan.
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What is so unreasonable about this?

Well, if your outrage is about their comment on Radha and Krishna, what exactly is the objection? They were not saying that Krishna and Radha living together was wrong or immoral or anything like that, did they? The justices were asking the plaintiffs to provide a legal basis to rule in their favor. They asked, "What is the offense?" Please answer that question before feeling all outraged out of our wits.

Cheers!

p.s. Did you know neither Bhagavatham nor Vishnupuranam mentions Radha anywhere?

 

[renuka]

Rama Krishna Govinda Narayana Keshava
Radhika Ramana Madhava Jai Rangadeva
Radhika Ramana Madhava
Hare Rama Hare Krishna
Sita Rama Raghava
Hare Rama Hare Krishna
Sita Rama Raghava
Radhika Ramana Madhava Jai Rangadeva
Radhika Ramana Madhava....


just wanted to type this Bhajan here to denote the beauty and purity of Purusha and Prakriti relationship

 

[Jambu]

The statement of K involves moral issue than legal and she was unnecessarily dragged to courts The "moral police" had harassed her mentally and even threatened her physically Oscar Wilde made an observation that morality is lack of opportunity.சீ சீ இந்த பழம் புளிக்கும் stuff. may be true
The judgement should be well received but I feel the comments about Krishna & Radha was not needed

 

[ambes]

I fully agree with Mr.drsundaram and Mr.Jambu. What Khusboo said was her personal view. This much of importance need not be given to it. But with 25 cases foisted on her by the
politicians with the main objective of harassing her (these politicians are no saints) she had to approach the court to defend her. Worse than this has been spoken by these so called guardians of soceity.Its true that the Honourable court need not have pulled Hindu Gods in their observations.

 

[tbs]

Hello folks,

The supreme court has spoken, but that does not mean that anyone who feels outraged must just accept it and go home. Organize and protest, that is the democratic way. Whether it is Roy protesting on behalf of the adivasees or RVR sir protesting Supreme Court judgment, I stand with the rights of people to protest, peaceably of course.

Now, what is the outrage about again? Is it sex before marriage should not be legal? Or, is it cohabitation must not be legal? Perhaps you object that in our culture we must not talk about it? Or, Radha and Krishna should not be mentioned by the justices, is that it? May be you are against the whole amorphous thing because you feel it is against our culture and it sends wrong message to youngsters?

Have you people seen any Tamil movies lately? All the gyrating and suggestive puke inducing dancing, is that part of the culture that the justices are against?

If we go back a few hundred years, it is the Hindu culture that is credited with showing the world what eroticism really means and how to truly enjoy coital pleasures. The Kama sutra is even supposed to describe how to woo someone else's wife, for goodness sake. Have you read Vikramaditya stories, many oozing sex.

Go back some more years, Arjuna is supposed to have gone all over India and spread his seed in every nook and corner. Dasaratha is supposed to have married one woman everyday to escape the sword of Parasurama. Upanishads talk of women servants providing all sorts of services to the men of rich families.

In our own land of Kannagi, sanga literature is full of kaLaviyal and kaRpiyal. What is kalaviyal, the exact thing people are getting all excited about, pre-marital sex.

From what I understand, Kushboo was trying to promote safe sex. Her point was that many youngsters are doing it anyway, and it is not prudent to expect every girl to remain snowflake pure till marriage, so protect yourself by using condom. That is it, all hell broke loose some 5 years ago.

A sensible message, is seen as an outrage. Once a literal goddess with actual temple built for her is now seen as maligning the sanctity of womanhood.

How we all adore Kannagi and Sita, don't we? How we like our women to be like them, subservient, ever faithful, obedient. But men, oh well, the rate of HIV in Tamilnadu speaks for itself.

What did the judges say that is so objectionable? Here is what I found in Times Online:

The judges, however, challenged lawyers acting for the complainants to produce evidence of any girl running away with a lover in response to Khushboo’s comments. “Please tell us what is the offence and under which section should she be charged? Tell me how many people have been affected by Kushboo’s statement?” asked Chief Justice K. G. Balakrishnan.
​

What is so unreasonable about this?

Well, if your outrage is about their comment on Radha and Krishna, what exactly is the objection? They were not saying that Krishna and Radha living together was wrong or immoral or anything like that, did they? The justices were asking the plaintiffs to provide a legal basis to rule in their favor. They asked, "What is the offense?" Please answer that question before feeling all outraged out of our wits.

Cheers!

p.s. Did you know neither Bhagavatham nor Vishnupuranam mentions Radha anywhere?

HI Nara sir,
in srimad bhagavatham ...radhaji's mentioned there...even radhaji's
wedding with sri krishna did by brahma secretly....in sooshma roopa... the honorable court does have guts to talk about
mohammad nabhi's illicit wives/or the davinci code of jesus christ..
even mary madlenine married to jesus ..like that words cannot
say openly...only HINDU GODS?GODDESSS are ILICHA vaayan...
HINDUS are always soft targetted....from beedi company to
beer company....everybody tried to use hindu god/godees..
becoz we are illicha vaayanga..thats all...may be vadi kattina muttaal....

regards
tbs

 

[renuka]

YouTube - tulasi song

 

[pvraman]

Dear Prof Nara Ji,

I think your P.S has more meaning . I am not able to defend the uncontrolled natural instincts for the sake of harmonious society. If we start to defy the general sentiments, example this pre-marital sex, which is followed by the past generation who in turn formulated such things after experiencing the effect of 'free' society, we simply are undoing it. We thus become irresponsible (reverse-evolution).

Tamil films are soft porns. HIV is increasing mainly in the labour class society. And that is not only because of pre-marital sex, but because of sex alone, without considering with whom they are doing that act. Kushpoo's safety procedure will not be applicable to those people who do that with full "soma banam", truck drivers & laborers. Should we take their acts as a representative of all?.


Regards

 

[RVR]

Prof Nara sir,

Let the Court decide on Kushbhu case on its merits. None of us have any problem. We are least concerned about the case or its judgement.

Why the highest court of the land invoke the relationship between Radha and Krishna. It is totally unwarranted.

If the Court accepts both Radha and Krishana existed which most of the Hindus believe, then let them accept a Ram temple existed at the same place where erstwhile Babri Masjid existed. Let them accept that Rama Sethu existed.

My point is, a secular Government need not bother about mythological stories. If some sect of the population believes, let them do so. Both the Government and courts should keep away from them.

All the best