Supreme court >>> kushboo's case

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More information about HIV, basically due to uncontrolled sex, (too much of vatsyayana!?!, Tamil films & sanga kala ilakkiyangal)

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Who is affected by HIV and AIDS in India?

We are just on par with the 'developed' countries in the ratings...


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With more and more gays & PMS, we soon will overtake the other nations...

 

[hariharan1972]

prof nara ji,

i think you are missing the point about sri rvr's observation.

the last thing expected from a learned jury is a self-serving interpretation of hindu scriptures and importantly "selective usage" of scriptures to buttress a point.

either you believe in scriptures or you dont. you cannot have a selective bias in believing what you want to.

if the cohabitation of radha and krsna as quoted from scriptures is sufficient testimony to the fact that pre-marital relationships are not against hindu culture, then as rvr sir said, will the courts accept the contention that ram sethu was built by lord ram ?

most of the legal fraternity have dubious understanding of religion and they should refrain from basing their arguments on the tenets of the religion.

 

[Nara]

Dear Hari, Greetings!

I certainly don't believe Supreme Court justices are beyond hypocrisy, probably a little less so than general population and a lot more so than fundamentals of all religious persuasions. But in this case, I am really puzzled what all the fuss is about. They did not disparage Radha and Krishna, they just asked the plaintiffs to explain why that was different. Why would the most revered religious and cultural icon have less of an impact compared a washed up actress?

Also, from what I read, the judges did not base their decision on puranic stories, but on the fact that plaintiffs could not cite any law that Kushboo broke.

I thought the court did take into account the cultural feelings about Ram Sethu and directed the government to come up with an alternative plan, am I mistaken?

You know Hari, I don't believe there is anything like settled law that must be meekly obeyed. The right to assemble and protest in a peaceful manner is as fundamental a right as the right to live. As we speak there is a very interesting story developing here in the U.S. Couple of US Army officers handcuffed themselves to the White House fence to protest a well settled law they oppose. They were arrested and taken to jail. In such political protest cases where no violence was involved, the normal practice is to register a case and release, but the police kept them in jail overnight and brought them to court in shackles the next day, like common criminals. The judge offered to release the officers if they paid a $100 fine. They refused. They wanted a trial. I was reminded of Gandhi doing the exact same thing in Champaran. Click here for more.

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/theh...dcuffing-himself-to-the-white-house-gate.aspxAll this brought a lot of publicity to these two officers and their cause. I don't think what they got was cheap publicity. At least in this case the officers were directly affected by the stupid law. But Roy, who is an internationally famed writer, can have a cushy life, but continue to fight to bring publicity to the plight of the adivasees, and I really don't think that is cheap publicity.

Alright, let me get down from the soap box, the best to you brother Hari

 

[Iyer]

Basal instincts are Natural instincts. It is man's choice either to Use the Natural instincts or to Abuse the Natural instincts. Pre-marital, extra-marital, gay, lesbian sex are an Abuse of the Natural Basal instincts. Instances of Abuse of Natural instincts may galore in myths, epics, legends and fables but no man can produce them as an excuse to indulge in Abuse. It is Culture among Human Beings, regardless of race, ethnicity, color, religion, caste, community etc, to marry a member of the other gender and confine sexual relationships only with spouse. It is not just Indian Culture or Hindu Culture, but it is Human Culture. Any human being with a Sane mind will make Use of Natural Instincts and not Abuse of Natural instincts. Conscience is a greater judge than the Chief Justice of Indian Supreme Court. Let every conscientious man and woman who claims to belong to the Human Being Species, technically speaking the Homo Sapiens, Use the Natural instincts for the benefit of the Human Species. Every savage/beast in the form of a Human Being is free to Abuse the Natural instinct.

 

[C RAVI]

Basal instincts are Natural instincts. It is man's choice either to Use the Natural instincts or to Abuse the Natural instincts. Pre-marital, extra-marital, gay, lesbian sex are an Abuse of the Natural Basal instincts. Instances of Abuse of Natural instincts may galore in myths, epics, legends and fables but no man can produce them as an excuse to indulge in Abuse. It is Culture among Human Beings, regardless of race, ethnicity, color, religion, caste, community etc, to marry a member of the other gender and confine sexual relationships only with spouse. It is not just Indian Culture or Hindu Culture, but it is Human Culture. Any human being with a Sane mind will make Use of Natural Instincts and not Abuse of Natural instincts. Conscience is a greater judge than the Chief Justice of Indian Supreme Court. Let every conscientious man and woman who claims to belong to the Human Being Species, technically speaking the Homo Sapiens, Use the Natural instincts for the benefit of the Human Species. Every savage/beast in the form of a Human Being is free to Abuse the Natural instinct.

:yo:

 

[C RAVI]

HI Nara sir,
in srimad bhagavatham ...radhaji's mentioned there...even radhaji's
wedding with sri krishna did by brahma secretly....in sooshma roopa... the honorable court does have guts to talk about
mohammad nabhi's illicit wives/or the davinci code of jesus christ..
even mary madlenine married to jesus ..like that words cannot
say openly...only HINDU GODS?GODDESSS are ILICHA vaayan...
HINDUS are always soft targetted....from beedi company to
beer company....everybody tried to use hindu god/godees..
becoz we are illicha vaayanga..thats all...may be vadi kattina muttaal....

regards
tbs

Sri TBS ji,

I am happy to find your realistic post.....

You have zeroed-in on the funniest fact of the Hindu society.

 

[BALAGOPAL]

Dear iyer, you have very clearly given the best answer for the sad spectacle of the highest court in the country expressing itself unabashedly against human conduct.no high court can legitamise bad human conduct, but that is what is happening now.
Balagopal

 

[nachi naga]

re

wonder what supreme court have to say about nocturnal emission and mastubration.

nachi naga.

 

[tbs]

hi folks
another kushboo news......


Tamilian actress Khushboo has got the guts
sify news

regards
tbs

 

[Iyer]

Why is Bhuvanachander's post in reply to mine, missing here? If removed, may I know for what reason it was removed? Bhuvanachander had given a very decent, logical and wise reply to my post.

To Bhuvanachander,

Quoting your post
"I think we should analyse the judgement dispassionately.the supreme court had basically questioned the locus standi *of *persons who had challenged khusbu.
Indians would never accept pre-marital sex but the judgement is not primafacie wrong legally
fundamental rights are not to be seen as something within moral boundaries.they are to be within legal boundaries.kindly do not forget that our laws do not prohibit sex between consenting adults but the reason for the decay in the thinking of persons like khusbu,suhasinie(who supported khusbu) etc is due to cultural degradation driven by materialistic thoughts.we need spirutual leaders not dealers"

Agreed that fundamental rights are not to be seen as something within moral boundaries. But don't you think, that the laws which the government of a country frames must uphold moral values and must arrest moral degradation of the countries society?

 

[RVR]

Why is Bhuvanachander's post in reply to mine, missing here? If removed, may I know for what reason it was removed? Bhuvanachander had given a very decent, logical and wise reply to my post.

To Bhuvanachander,

Quoting your post
"I think we should analyse the judgement dispassionately.the supreme court had basically questioned the locus standi *of *persons who had challenged khusbu.
Indians would never accept pre-marital sex but the judgement is not primafacie wrong legally
fundamental rights are not to be seen as something within moral boundaries.they are to be within legal boundaries.kindly do not forget that our laws do not prohibit sex between consenting adults but the reason for the decay in the thinking of persons like khusbu,suhasinie(who supported khusbu) etc is due to cultural degradation driven by materialistic thoughts.we need spirutual leaders not dealers"

Agreed that fundamental rights are not to be seen as something within moral boundaries. But don't you think, that the laws which the government of a country frames must uphold moral values and must arrest moral degradation of the countries society?

Let the Supreme court decide on Khushbu case on the merits. We have no problem

Why they invoke Radha and Krishna. If the Apex court feels that both Radha and Krishna lived long back, do they accept there was a Ram temple where Babri Masjid was demolished. Do they accept Rama Sethu existed.

Judges of the Apex court doesn't have any right to talk about Hindu religion. Will they talk like this about any other religion ?

Let them touch their consciousness and reply.

All the best

 

[kunjuppu]

rvr,

i agree with the SC judgement.

re comments about radha et al, i think, revealed more the ignorance or shallow scholarship. a reason to feel sorry at this low level of knowledge, but to get indignant over that? hmmmm

 

[drsundaram]

rvr,

i agree with the SC judgement.

re comments about radha et al, i think, revealed more the ignorance or shallow scholarship. a reason to feel sorry at this low level of knowledge, but to get indignant over that? hmmmm

On the ongoing debate on live in relationship:

When Bertrand Russel advocated trial marriages /companionated marriages he was condemned by puritans as desiccated, divorced and decadent advocate of sexual promiscuity who had betrayed mind and conscience.
Live in relationship is opposed to Indian culture.
It is not proper to cite mythology while dealing with human behaviour. Religious symbolism can not be viewed in mundane terms. Judiciary should not comment on sensitive matters . We Hindus are perpetually taken for granted so far by politicians and perverts and now by judiciary also. There are so many instances like Sita vs Ravana and gambling by Sakuni, Draupadi humiliated by Duhhasana etc etc and can they be cited in different contexts?
Not for nothing is marriage solemnized and formalised in our Indian tradition. Let it be cautioned to the protagonists of live in relationship that parting of ways for one reason or the other, will leave behind deep scars of being used and rejected. Progenies of such relationship will also end up as misfits n society.
Society needs family in some form and in functioning order. We have been following some norms in order to maintain a social balance.To optimsie the proper functioning of this legal and social institution we may have to make some sacrifices and control our preferences.

 

[nachi naga]

re

Human mind is a very fickle and transient in nature.Change is the only constant factor to it.

Lord Krishna's leelas with gopikas,is rasa leela,for madhuryam,shanthi,bhakthi.

When the same is enacted by a Paramahamsa,immediately it becomes a scandal.Every Rama,Krishna,Hari becomes judgemental,and starts a hullabaloo,about wearing a ochre color,and defines what one should do and should not do while wearing a ochre color robe.

People become sanctimonious and moral policing begins,and that too in a country,where sage vatsayana gave the epic kamasutras.

When a sage like Osho,openly admitted to freedom in action regarding intimacy between a man and woman,especially when its consensual,the public became judgemental and moral policing was done.Human by nature are polygamous.Its only owing to societal structures of the rulers,monogamy became a law.In order to have a semblance of order out of chaoctic behaviour such rules took roots.Otherwise humans are like any other species on earth.Humans themselves have put their species as some unique being,and we gloat over having such retarded self-importance,in my honest opinion.

For the supreme court justices to talk about hinduism only is becoz,they can get away with it,unlike if they do with abrahamic faiths,sikhism,buddhism,jainism to name a few other religious schools.

nachi naga.

 

[RVR]

Let Nityananda call himself as a preacher, not wear saffron & do whatever he wants. Wearing saffron and doing sexual adventures is a great insult to the Hindu religion.

There are lot of preachers of Hindu religion who continue in the Grahastasramam and do good work like Velukkudi Krishnan, Suki Sivam etc.

Lord Krishna was not wearing saffron when he mingled with Gopikas. Please don't compare Lord Krishna with fraudulent God men.

All the best

 

[nachi naga]

re

Let Nityananda call himself as a preacher, not wear saffron & do whatever he wants. Wearing saffron and doing sexual adventures is a great insult to the Hindu religion.

just for info,can you quote any specific sutra,which says ochre color robe people should do,what in any society.I believe in western countries orange color dress is worn by criminals in jail,that written,all sanyasis are crminaly inclined as per color codes of western standards.

There are lot of preachers of Hindu religion who continue in the Grahastasramam and do good work like Velukkudi Krishnan, Suki Sivam etc.

lets wait and see,as more sting operations will follow in future .our own hh jayendrar saraswathi was romantically rumored involved with usha ramanan!!!! what a gas media belches,ther shud be a law to enforce such defamatory stories being written!!!

Lord Krishna was not wearing saffron when he mingled with Gopikas. Please don't compare Lord Krishna with fraudulent God men.

i am not comparing,but stating a fact.even lord krishna was not accepted becoz of his antics,by a minority of population,in ancient times.Lord krishna is also a god man or is he something else?Lord Krishna was half-naked most of the times,as per the fashion those days,i believe.

nachi naga.

 

[RVR]

Lord Krishna is God.

Nityananda is fraud

 

[nachi naga]

re

lord krishna is god.

paramahamsa nithyananda is god.

rvr is god.

nachi naga is god.

aham brahmasmi

tat tvam asi.

sarvam brahman mayam.

nachi naga.

 

[T.S.Sankara Narayanan]

Though Courts are Considered Holy and its Judgements are worshiped and Compared as the Verdict of God...
It can not peep its head on Religious Belifs and Prestigeous Tradition.
The Very same Court had already gave its judgements on Cauvery issue and Mullai Periyar issue and in spite of it,the states of Karnataka and Kerala ignored the Judgements.
I would like to know if the very same Supreme Court of India has Gutts to say a Judgement that Wearing Pardhas by Muslim Women is an indirect manner of Mens Domination against women ?.
To my opinion, Supreme Court is nothing but a Carbon Copy of Ruling Govt.

 

[nachi naga]

re

Though Courts are Considered Holy and its Judgements are worshiped and Compared as the Verdict of God...
It can not peep its head on Religious Belifs and Prestigeous Tradition.
The Very same Court had already gave its judgements on Cauvery issue and Mullai Periyar issue and in spite of it,the states of Karnataka and Kerala ignored the Judgements.
I would like to know if the very same Supreme Court of India has Gutts to say a Judgement that Wearing Pardhas by Muslim Women is an indirect manner of Mens Domination against women ?.
To my opinion, Supreme Court is nothing but a Carbon Copy of Ruling Govt.

tssn,

supreme court has powers.religion and religious beliefs,also come under the purview of law.in india,law is applicable selectively.a rich and powerful group can get away with murder,and law will be a mute spectator.all politicians,religious leaders have been committing akramam,where is the law heeded.the legislators themselves have scant respect for law.

karnataka,kerala should not be provided central goverment funds,if they do not obey supreme court orders.here again owing to political alliances at center,the supreme court is mocked supremely by karanatakans,keralites in river water sharing.

so all rivers in India must be integrated so as to prevent using water resources to play politics of indian lives.couple of assasinations of political leaders,religious leaders will put a fear of death amongst leaders is the radical solution,therefore naxalites,seperation of states movement and other such depraved mentality is creeping in thereby enemies of India are gleefully watching the dis-integration fabric built by our freedom fighters.shame on us sir.

nachi naga.

 

[vtv_ram9002]

Moral & Ethical issues !!!

Please note that any court has to work within the frameworks of law & not "moral boundries or ethical concern for Society’s welfare".
Can anyone justify the current trend of commercialisation of matrimony & under what "moral boundries or ethical concern" love marriages and intercaste marriages are taking place, especially in Brahmin community ??

The Times of India Bangalore edition of dt 24th March reports that Supreme Court has maintained that there is nothing illegal on premarital sex and live in relationships between adults. While reserving its verdict, the court wants to know what is abhorrent in Kushboo’s views !!! The special bench had also referred to the recent judgement of Delhi High court legalising consensual sexual relation between adults.
With due respects to the Bench,
One would expect the learned judges to atleast make a mention of the moral values and Indian cultures was upheld. On the other hand, the honourable judges have drawn mythology of Radha and Krishna living together to substantiate its point.
Even in advanced / western counties if the live –in culture is practiced that country never has so far advocated this as a court’s approval, I think...
The court’s opinion is sure to send wrong signals & erroneous ideas to young men and women whose minds are already swayed by so many external situations to relation to sex..
Where will this verdict take the Indian culture to!!!
There may not be a law to prohibit pre marital sex but it is a largely accepted and practised moral norm in India making even western countries to hold Indian ethos in high esteem..
It is strange that the highest court of country is asking the counsel why "he should be concerned" and "in what way he is affected".
The Fundamental Rights enshrined in our Constitution are not without moral boundries or ethical concern for Society’s welfare.
Any way we Indians are used to be too enduring and accepting anything whatever happens in & around us with meek obedience and this is yet another..
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