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The desperation of Sushma Swaraj -background to Sushma Swaraj's Gita controvers

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Some interesting background to Sushma Swaraj's Bhagvat Gita controversy

The desperation of Sushma Swaraj

The desperation of Sushma Swaraj - Rediff.com India News
'So complete is Modi's takeover of the foreign ministry, that Swaraj today is less important than a minister of state for secularism in Modi's government!' says Amberish K Diwanji.

Sushma Swaraj is back. Or at least she is trying very hard to return to the people's consciousness.

Her statement that the Bhagvad Gita be considered India's 'national book,' whatever that means, has given her more publicity in the last few hours than she has had in the last few months.


Indians should be forgiven in case they have forgotten that Swaraj is India's external affairs minister. It is considered one of the big five ministries (alongside the prime minister, home minister, finance minister and defence minister).

Ever since Swaraj took the job, it has lost all importance. Swaraj is a minister in absentia. She is nowhere to be heard, let alone seen.


The irony is hard to miss. If there is one area where Prime Minister Narendra Modi has been phenomenally active, it is in foreign policy. Besides that, there have been slogans aplenty -- Swachh Bharat Abhiyan, Make in India, etc. But in the realm of external affairs, he has been busy -- visiting nations as small as Bhutan, where he charmed the king, to countries as large as the US, where non-resident Indians behaved like teenagers at a rock concert.

He has met the leaders of China and Japan, and invited Barack Obama to be chief guest at India's military fest, the Republic Day parade. All this is heady stuff.

What is missing in all these sojourns near and far is the actual external affairs ministers. So complete is Modi's takeover of the foreign ministry, that Swaraj today is less important than a minister of state for secularism in Modi's government! She clearly has nothing to do. And everyone knows that.


Under such circumstances, it is easy to understand why Swaraj feels slighted. Delhi insiders have for long been claiming that she is unhappy and feels trapped. Let us not forget that Swaraj, in the run-up to the Lok Sabha elections, betted on the wrong horse when she sided with L K Advani.

There is a price to be paid for betting on the wrong horse. Being ignored and reduced to a non-entity in a government that is on the go is that price.

Perhaps Swaraj believed that by mouthing some religious stuff she might win back the spotlight, and perhaps actually get some work to do. Perhaps this is her way of telling the world that she is still around, even if she is not be seen on television or heard in Parliament.


Sushma Swaraj is not a Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh protege. She was earlier part of the Janata Dal, joining the Bharatiya Janata Party in the early 1990s. This always gave the impression that her joining the BJP had more to do with politics than ideology.

For years, she was among the frontrunners to become prime minister if the BJP had to seek help from its allies (though her Janata Party background and being a woman were always cited as reasons for why the top office would always elude her).

Of course after Modi's clean sweep, all such ideas are of academic interest.

Nevertheless, she did give the impression of having a head on her shoulders even as others in power were clearly losing theirs. For many, Swaraj represented the Atal Bihari Vajpayee side of the BJP (even though she aligned with Advani; but then, when compared to Modi, Advani looked decidedly like Vajpayee).

From her the expectation was of sobriety, of policy issues, and matters of national interest. Not rabble rousing rightist nonsense.

Alas, it was all too short-lived. Swaraj has not just shot herself in the foot, but also let down those who believed that perhaps in the pantheon of zany rightists there could exist at least one sane person.

Now Swaraj is no different from those who claim astrology is superior to science, or those who compare Ramzaades and har**zaades, which statement stalled Parliament and was resolved only on Monday.

It is unlikely to get her more work. Mr Modi remains the de facto external affairs minister.
 
nirmala sitaraman joined the party recently and not an rss member. sushma wanted a high profile ministry and got it. she should implement the policy of the head of government. in upa govt, it was open secret that sonia made all the decisions, approved all the files without signing.

sushmaji is a good orator, and she is doing well in the foreign ministry, preparing the ground for converting policy to action. the media as usual is engaged in 'sindu mudiyal'. all heshyam without evidence because leaks by media friendly officials is virtually plugged.
 
Our Aasthaana RSS stalwart has spoken. But, I feel that media reports are not to be dismissed lightly. Modi has obviously created enough enemies for himself in his ascent to Prime Ministership. Even Rajnath Singh had made known his mind some time ago.

Astrologically, Modi will have a tough time. He should be very careful about his health. In the Indian Independence horoscope also Sun's dasa-Venus Bhukti commenced in Sept. 2014. This will give mixed results only, good and bad. All things considered, Modi's rule may go down in history as an important milestone like the emergency of Indira Gandhi!

I am expecting invectives from our in-house activist, as response, of course!
 
you are making the same mistake as another member. you have claimed that you are an agnostic with communist leanings. I do not belong or a member of any organization including the two you love to hate. this kind of bracketing shows your inability and reluctance to accept the new reality and the renewed interest in hindutva by a large section of hindus who were silent for many many years.

Astrology is also covered by anti superstition act. beware.

since no two astrologers agree, and what is destined is bound to happen, we will wait with bated breath to see marches ahead as a strong nation or shrunk to a non-power state by the secularists, terrorists, communists, peace loving infiltrators and resident skeptics and bad mouthers. please review secular media wish and prediction fro september 2013, and ground reality.



Our Aasthaana RSS stalwart has spoken. But, I feel that media reports are not to be dismissed lightly. Modi has obviously created enough enemies for himself in his ascent to Prime Ministership. Even Rajnath Singh had made known his mind some time ago.

Astrologically, Modi will have a tough time. He should be very careful about his health. In the Indian Independence horoscope also Sun's dasa-Venus Bhukti commenced in Sept. 2014. This will give mixed results only, good and bad. All things considered, Modi's rule may go down in history as an important milestone like the emergency of Indira Gandhi!

I am expecting invectives from our in-house activist, as response, of course!
 
I am told, the supreme court can only reduce the sentence, but ban will stay. It will 1J+6B or 4J+6B.

You mean that there is no way the Higher Court can revoke totally the verdict of the lower court ?
 
Sangon Sir

Astrologically how is madam JJs situation ? Will she get relief for her appeal at the Higher Court or not ?

Shri Krishna Sir,

JJ's Horoscopes in the net show different birth times and so I am unable to say anything based on the horoscope itself. But her birth star is Magham, Simha rasi and Jupiter entered the 12th. house on or about 20th. June 2014. Saturn and Rahu were in Thula rasi till first week of July 2014 and so things went on smoothly till then. When Rahu moved over to Kanya, the second house, troubles started and the verdict came by September end when Sukra, Rahu and Sun occupied that second house. No immediate change can be predicted till Jupiter comes to Virgo in September 2016. Even then Rahu and Saturn will continue to be unfavourably placed. So, gochara-wise, a 4J or 5J may be unavoidable. But much will depend on the correct birth horoscope also. Any idea about her correct birth time? Was she born in Mysore on 24-02-1948?
 
5J - JAIL is not possible as the sentence is only 4 year jail. SC may reduce it to 1 year, highly unlikely, but 6 year ban will remain.
 
Was she born in Mysore on 24-02-1948?

Sangom Sir

According to this link :
J. Jayalalithaa Birth Chart | J. Jayalalithaa Kundli | Horoscope by Date of Birth Politician

Her
Date of Birth: Tuesday, February 24, 1948
Time of Birth: 12:00:00
Place of Birth: Mysore
Time Zone: 5.5

Accoring to this link the DOB is same i.e 24-2-1948 but time is bit different but place of Birth is Mysore
Jayalalitha - Horoscope Chart - World Public Junction - Shopping | Booking | Classifieds | Advertising | Broadcast
 
I think people are discovering India and Modi. I think the impending era could be Modi India, that is Gujarat, Sangom sir's prediction notwithstanding. Do not we still keep talking about Gandhiji, Patelji and otherjis.
 
I think people are discovering India and Modi. I think the impending era could be Modi India, that is Gujarat, Sangom sir's prediction notwithstanding. Do not we still keep talking about Gandhiji, Patelji and otherjis.

Shri Iyya Sir,

What you describe as "people are discovering India and Modi" has to be slightly modifies, as, "people are discovering India as a very potential consumer nation and Modi as one who can be easily influenced to fall flat for any western notions of development, despite all his speeches about desi, ancient India and so on". Our own electorate views him as yet another avatar. That is all. This euphoria may last for another one or two years more and then people will start praying for yet another avatar. That is India!
 
you are making the same mistake as another member. you have claimed that you are an agnostic with communist leanings. I do not belong or a member of any organization including the two you love to hate. this kind of bracketing shows your inability and reluctance to accept the new reality and the renewed interest in hindutva by a large section of hindus who were silent for many many years.

Shri Sarang Sir,

I don't know what is the "new reality" you are referring to; is it merely "the renewed interest in hindutva by a large section of hindus", or, does it mean something more?

It is neither my inability nor reluctance but my honest doubts about the utility of your so-called new reality, etc., in so far as they being beneficial for the country's progress in the modern era. Yesterday, I saw in the tv channel one such "silent hindu" declaring that India is a country of and for hindus, and that some 5 lakh muslims will be converted to hinduism. This ends the often brandished claim that hinduism does not proselytize! If this is the renewed interest in hinduism, and the new reality, I feel the future may not be very promising.

You may or may not be a member or belong to any organization, but your posts in this forum have been consistently projecting a certain image of you and that is what myself and the other member may be telling, openly while the silent majority may be remaining silent, as usual.

Astrology is also covered by anti superstition act. beware.

You should first go, frighten Ramesh Pokhriyal and Smt. Smriti Irani before using that tactic against myself. In Maharashtra may be astrology is superstition, but not yet in the country as a whole, and not in Kerala either!

But your frightening tactics betrays, in my view, the sure loss of confidence somewhere deep inside, and this is the usual tactics adopted by the goons when they start losing their fight. So, it may be advisable for you to refrain from this kind of approach in future.

since no two astrologers agree, and what is destined is bound to happen, we will wait with bated breath to see marches ahead as a strong nation or shrunk to a non-power state by the secularists, terrorists, communists, peace loving infiltrators and resident skeptics and bad mouthers. please review secular media wish and prediction fro september 2013, and ground reality.

If only you had recited "krishna, rama, govinda, narayana, etc.," in the place of your usual favourites such as "bad mouthers, sickularist, skeptics, etc.," you might have reached Vaikuntha already!! Why cannot you rise up in intelligence, a litttle bit at least, and attack/oppose the message/s and their contents, instead of always bad mouthing the messengers? I have not seen any change in this style of yours from day 1! LOL
 
Sangomji,

You may be selective in your superstitions, but the statement 'astrology is also covered . . . beware' is neither a warning nor an attempt to frighten you. You are free to practice and preach any superstition you like, but let others, including brahmins to follow what they want. Your selective adherence and non adherence will draw responses when raised by you in any discussion. So the illogical and drab statements like losing fight are irrelevant and worth ignoring. Hindus as is well known have never fought, they only retaliate, often weakly.

Sickulars, bad mouthers, tambrams, hindutva types, jihadis, terrorists and such groups exist. You cannot wish them away. Obviously you have to choose which group is in consonance with your thoughts and actions. Degree of involvement is another matter.

Since there are many issues with diametrically opposed view points, no wonder you do not like to hear what is not in sympathy with yours. For eg. love jihad is a myth invented by some hindutva groups; but a committee has recommended to maharashtra govt to ban love jihadi marriages, as many are done by force. Before you jump, this report was submitted before BJP came to power.

Since you have set your standards on what to believe and what not as far as the media and seculars and clerics are concerned, we have all the time to see and know what is in store.

You post all negative views and stories, I will post all that is positive, happening and obstructed by the rest.
 
You may or may not be a member or belong to any organization, but your posts in this forum have been consistently projecting a certain image of you and that is what myself and the other member may be telling, openly while the silent majority may be remaining silent, as usual.

Dear Sir,

W.r.t. the above quoted, it seems that if we were to adopt a similar line of reasoning that we could conjure up images of individuals based on forum posts, even self declared ex-brahmin atheists and brahmin agnostics could very well be construed to be persons with hidden agendas (even perhaps, missionaries ! Such a fantastic thing, this imagination is...). That is, if they were to present the negative of brahmins and their collection of practices.

Wouldnt you agree?

Regards,
 
Yesterday, I saw in the tv channel one such "silent hindu" declaring that India is a country of and for hindus, and that some 5 lakh muslims will be converted to hinduism. This ends the often brandished claim that hinduism does not proselytize! If this is the renewed interest in hinduism, and the new reality, I feel the future may not be very promising.

When Pope says india is ripe to be harveste, it is gospel. When ISIS says it will establish caliphate in india, it is acceptable. When the younger owasi says, keep the police out for fifteen minutes, and see what happens to 5 crore hindus, it is acceptable. But the silent hindu was given air time because he dared to make a statement which will be used to blacken and abuse by you know who and who must not be named. Now yechury, (telugu brahmin from chennai), wants an anti conversion law because of agra incident. (Yechury signed the petition to president obama ordering him not to allow modi's visit to usa, but he is ordering obama not to visit india).

Venkaiah naidu has said that BJP is prepared for a full discussion in parliament on conversion. By your standard it is bad because the hindu way of open discussion will expose pope to ayatulla, from ngos to terror groups.

There is enough time to verify whether the prophesy 'future not promising for india' will fructify.
 
Dear Sir,

W.r.t. the above quoted, it seems that if we were to adopt a similar line of reasoning that we could conjure up images of individuals based on forum posts, even self declared ex-brahmin atheists and brahmin agnostics could very well be construed to be persons with hidden agendas (even perhaps, missionaries ! Such a fantastic thing, this imagination is...). That is, if they were to present the negative of brahmins and their collection of practices.

Wouldnt you agree?

Regards,

If an impression is so created (as missionaries) then it has to be accepted, provided the missionary can also be proven to have tried to eulogize Christianity/Islam and has directly or indirectly exhorted tabras of the forum to forsake hindu religion.

Otherwise, why would/should a missionary spend his time and energy in this forum?
 
I think in today's BJP Hindutva was a past history and their failure to uphold that dethroned them. Hindutva is ornamental for them. As on today it looks like that one should not be surprised if Modi sings the songs of socialism provided his supporters agree.
 
I think in today's BJP Hindutva was a past history and their failure to uphold that dethroned them. Hindutva is ornamental for them. As on today it looks like that one should not be surprised if Modi sings the songs of socialism provided his supporters agree.

I feel Modi is testing the waters. His RSS roots will not allow him to get away from Hindutva but he has also to dance to the tunes of Ambani-Adani. Hence, Socialism will not at all figure in his agenda. He will very likely implement programmes such as widening roads, which will pave the way for billionaires becoming trillionaires. And the country will end up as a crony capitalist one.

I am reminded of an old story. One workman in a factory filed a suit against his millionaire company owner saying that the latter does not know much of anything, yet he is making a lot of money from the company which should lawfully go to the intelligent, skilled workforce. The company owner said he was very intelligent and knowledgeable and a challenge was accepted by the complainant. The owner brought experts in different fields who answered all the questions put by the worker and then the owner mildly reminded him that though personally he (the owner) did not know anything, yet he could have so many experts at his command and that was what entitled him to be the owner of the company and take the lion's share of the profits.
 
1. When Amma brought a legislation in TN that every religious conversion should be reported to the local police station, there was a hue and cry about it and all the priests and laity of the churches in TN joined together and petitioned to remove that law. And looking at the reaction Amma complied with the request. Political opposition also took its sides and the government was made to eat crow.

2. Now when a religious conversion in the reverse direction has been done at Agra there is again a hue and cry. Just wait. the other Abrahamic religion will also join the chorus shortly. BJP will encourage a discussion of this in both houses of the Parliament. They, seeing an opportunity in this, will bring in a bill a)to ban mass conversions b)to enforce some sort of a reporting system which would require a prior clearance from the local police for such a conversion if it involves more than one family 3)to arrest and put in prison anyone who offers material inducements for conversions such as money, ration card, house, free education, free foreign trip, free milk powder, free eggs, free dresses, free gold coins etc.,

3. When that happens RSS would have the last laugh. And other religionists will wake up.

4. The other religionists may otherwise be asked(by their mentors abroad) to play it down in the Parliament when the discussion is taken up. That would mean we may not really see any sparks flying and it will be a tame affair.
 
I feel Modi is testing the waters. His RSS roots will not allow him to get away from Hindutva but he has also to dance to the tunes of Ambani-Adani. Hence, Socialism will not at all figure in his agenda. He will very likely implement programmes such as widening roads, which will pave the way for billionaires becoming trillionaires. And the country will end up as a crony capitalist one.

I am reminded of an old story. One workman in a factory filed a suit against his millionaire company owner saying that the latter does not know much of anything, yet he is making a lot of money from the company which should lawfully go to the intelligent, skilled workforce. The company owner said he was very intelligent and knowledgeable and a challenge was accepted by the complainant. The owner brought experts in different fields who answered all the questions put by the worker and then the owner mildly reminded him that though personally he (the owner) did not know anything, yet he could have so many experts at his command and that was what entitled him to be the owner of the company and take the lion's share of the profits.

Socialism is a forgotten word in the political disctionary today.

Socialism was the most important mantra in Nehruvian times because we needed that. Without that the western capitalism would have eaten us alive and belched loudly with satisfaction. Nehru swore by socialism and knowing Indians and their nature well made it democratic socialism and the whole spectrum of political parties avidly swallowed it. So ruling party, opposition and every one swore by socialism with various degrees of fierceness. The blue blooded brahmin Nehru thus carried out his building of modern india in his own way unquestioned because political parties were fighting with each other over who is more socialistic. That was a master stroke by the crafty brahmin that Nehru was.

Then came Indira. Indira used the same socialism to put in place her opponents who were all powerful regional satraps. They were threatening her position in the party and Government. Again a blue blooded brahmin that she was, she too vanquished all her powerful opponents by first discrediting them with her banks nationalisation bill and then throwing them all together as a syndicate into the dust heap of time. She also achieved the most cherished dream of any head of state in the world-by not only vanquishing her neighbouring country in a war fought with not only just guns but also by very brilliant diplomacy. Even England could only divide Germany into just the east and west germany and could not engineer a complete division/estrangement. But Indira achieved that. She not only created history but also geography. That she was a brahmin can not be forgotten while wondering at this achievement.

Then came the next brahmin PM. Narasimha Rao. He achieved the unimaginable. He purchased his majority by buying out the goodwill and munificence of the Jats and Yadavs of the BIMARU states (which naturally had a price tag attached) for his political survival. But he did his duty to his Nation-that is India in the most wonderful way. The socialism-democratic socialism-which was the cardinal principle on which his Congress party was built, on which every congress politician was swearing day in and day out, was given a quiet burial. Moving with time, PVN boldly said there will be no more socialism sloganeering. Instead the new slogan will be liberalisation and globalisation. Think about it. What guts and gumption that man had to tell that to his party and implement it.

Thus the three brahmins while they were PMs of this country made history by their powerful and bold initiatives. The rest of the PMs of this country were not brahmins and they are all also ran category. I wait for Modi to change this historic trend.
 
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2. Now when a religious conversion in the reverse direction has been done at Agra there is again a hue and cry.
Arya Samaj has beeing doing the reverse conversion through their Shuddhi Movement right from Pre Independance days and why suddenly this huge uproar . If it is a forced / induced conversion it is wrong but when people come voluntarily for the same then why this huge uproar ?
 
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