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Respected dear Sangom Sir,
What you clipped has that multiple needle component. It is this: "You may kindly note that we now have a few Vaishnava members very, very active in propagating their faith with zeal, in this forum, and any mention that goes against their pet notions is likely to even get reported to the police and I may land in prison (while you may not; inshah Allah!)."
I am glad that you do not consider me a zealot having pet notions who tries to propagate them.
Your memory is playing tricks. If you go sufficiently back into the archives you will find many such instances. How can you forget that puliyotharai has become a controversial food item and a convenient stick for some members in this forum.
I have heard this said by many smarthas: 1. Advaitam is the mother of all philosophies and visishtadvaitis will ultimately accept advaitam as they grow and evolve in their spiritual path. 2. Vaishnavam did not exist before Ramanuja came on the scene.
Both these are plain lies repeated with elan. It is as if there were no philosophies before sankara and advaitam came on the scene, as if advaitam is far superior and requires more maturity to understand. It is as if before Ramanuja came on the scene there was no vaishnavam. Alwars were just non-existent. I am a vaishnava brahmin and you have to listen to me if you want to know what we vaishnava brahmins think about Ramanuja. Unlike what you have understood, for us Ramanuja, like many other acharyas in vaishnavam, was just one of the many shining reference points. We are indebted to him because he took a critical look at what Sankara offered and gave us an alternative with sufficient reason to discard Sankara's offer. Mature TBs can live with this truth. Only immature partisan mediocre among the crowd who are sold completely to a certain ism will not be able to tolerate this truth. Vaishnavam existed much before Ramanuja came on the scene. Every vaishnava recites Thondaradippodi Alwars "oorilen kaani illai, uravum matroruvar illai...." pasuram before going to sleep every night. This is so even though they have Ramanuja's gathyam which is also appropriate for the occasion. Please consult a vaishnava before writing such stuff in a forum like this - is my request to you.
My view on this is that Sankara while writing on prasthanathraya drew from the wealth of knowledge that was available in puranas on the basis of his need as the context demanded. From this to draw conclusions about puranas is not proper.
This is not true. Your understanding is wrong. The nature of a purana and its classification is determined on the basis of the contents and the way its narrative is formed and documented. Thus a purana which starts with loaded questions to a teacher are identified as non satvik because the anxiety on the part of the student who seeks answers and the teacher who dispenses them to glorify a particular godhead is palpable and all too revealing. It is as if they have come there to discuss with a secret agenda. LOL. Whereas a sAtvika purana always is neutral with no loaded questions, no anxiety on the part of the teacher to glorify anything going out of the way etc., Please read the puranas again and you will find the logic perfectly meaningful in them.
I was referring to your usages like mosquito/Parasurama coming in the night and telling things etc., as "needling". May be some of what I have written, appears to you as "needling"; if you point out I will definitely avoid repetition. Again, I did not intend to include you in the "very active" group and I know that you know it well!
What you clipped has that multiple needle component. It is this: "You may kindly note that we now have a few Vaishnava members very, very active in propagating their faith with zeal, in this forum, and any mention that goes against their pet notions is likely to even get reported to the police and I may land in prison (while you may not; inshah Allah!)."
I am glad that you do not consider me a zealot having pet notions who tries to propagate them.
Here again, I think there is a tendency to exaggerate, by using adjectives like immature, 'enlightened', "e", etc. Bereft of these and inaccuracies like Christ and Mohammed teaching universal consciousness, I agree with the gist of what you write. But you may also be knowing well enough that items like naming children, eating modakam, etc., did not actually figure in the discussions; at least that is my memory.
Your memory is playing tricks. If you go sufficiently back into the archives you will find many such instances. How can you forget that puliyotharai has become a controversial food item and a convenient stick for some members in this forum.
As regards Vaishnavam becoming a major section of Brahmanas, I think it is correct to say that it happened only after Ramanuja and his giving shape to the visishtadvaita philosophy in contradiction to Advaita. To that extent, it will not be incorrect, within this Tamil Brahmins' forum to have the view that Ramanuja is a reference point as regards Vaishnava Brahmins.
I have heard this said by many smarthas: 1. Advaitam is the mother of all philosophies and visishtadvaitis will ultimately accept advaitam as they grow and evolve in their spiritual path. 2. Vaishnavam did not exist before Ramanuja came on the scene.
Both these are plain lies repeated with elan. It is as if there were no philosophies before sankara and advaitam came on the scene, as if advaitam is far superior and requires more maturity to understand. It is as if before Ramanuja came on the scene there was no vaishnavam. Alwars were just non-existent. I am a vaishnava brahmin and you have to listen to me if you want to know what we vaishnava brahmins think about Ramanuja. Unlike what you have understood, for us Ramanuja, like many other acharyas in vaishnavam, was just one of the many shining reference points. We are indebted to him because he took a critical look at what Sankara offered and gave us an alternative with sufficient reason to discard Sankara's offer. Mature TBs can live with this truth. Only immature partisan mediocre among the crowd who are sold completely to a certain ism will not be able to tolerate this truth. Vaishnavam existed much before Ramanuja came on the scene. Every vaishnava recites Thondaradippodi Alwars "oorilen kaani illai, uravum matroruvar illai...." pasuram before going to sleep every night. This is so even though they have Ramanuja's gathyam which is also appropriate for the occasion. Please consult a vaishnava before writing such stuff in a forum like this - is my request to you.
Sankara has quoted from vishnupurana and a second purana which ha has not named. Hence I think only Vishnu Purana is to be considered authoritative; the other purana is yet to be identified. The remaining puranas might not have attained popularity and authority during Sankara's times, is my view, because most of the Puranas were compiled during the Gupta dynasty's time, as per scholars.
My view on this is that Sankara while writing on prasthanathraya drew from the wealth of knowledge that was available in puranas on the basis of his need as the context demanded. From this to draw conclusions about puranas is not proper.
I have understood that the classification under Satvik, Rajasic and Thamasic is done according to the portrayal of the central deity (godhead) of each purana; their authoritativeness has nothing to do with this classification.[
This is not true. Your understanding is wrong. The nature of a purana and its classification is determined on the basis of the contents and the way its narrative is formed and documented. Thus a purana which starts with loaded questions to a teacher are identified as non satvik because the anxiety on the part of the student who seeks answers and the teacher who dispenses them to glorify a particular godhead is palpable and all too revealing. It is as if they have come there to discuss with a secret agenda. LOL. Whereas a sAtvika purana always is neutral with no loaded questions, no anxiety on the part of the teacher to glorify anything going out of the way etc., Please read the puranas again and you will find the logic perfectly meaningful in them.
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