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The magic of spiritual energy

Coming back to measuring discrimination, how can we do it?

For the spiritual system, discrimination is best even when there is no obvious presentation of the truth. In other words when it sees through maya and its nuances and complexities
 
Understanding complexity is understanding the connection in a number of energies that are seemingly disconnected . Seeing nuance is understanding the disconnection between energies that are tightly connected.
 
Maya is energy typically high frequency connected only in time. One may see through maya by seeing the nuance element or seeing the complexity element. Nuance can be applied because maya is indeed connected. Complexity may be applied because in another sense it is disconnected as connected only across time. So the routes of Science and spirituality
 
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People who use nuance see through their mind as it is mind that can see fine differences. People who understand complexities understand through their brain as it is adept at making sense of discrete cases.
 
In both Science and spirituality you are measuring fine truths, the realities that are measured being different but since both the physical and the mental are equivalent the same truth is eventually arrived at
 
Analysis and synthesis suited for scientific pursuits as both individual measurements and their connections need to be carried out whereas direct intuition for spirituality as it is done by the mind,
 
The process of arriving at the truth may be different but one is seeing finer truths by means of precision in the case of science and discrimination in the case of spiritual pursuits. The precision or finer understanding is arrived at by solving the complexities in Science and nuances directly perceived and discriminated in spirituality
 
Science has measurement tools but what about spirituality? We need to develop universal parameters for measuring spirituality. Some parameters tailored to specific cases may also be needed.
 
The spirituality of the body indicated by tests of BP, pulse rate etc which we discussed is very roughly indicative and cannot be an accurate measurement of spirituality.
 
Just thinking loudly. Just as physical systems are made of physical parts, spiritual systems can be made by assembling spiritual thoughts. Where would they be housed?
 
Assume we can map 5 elements of nature to any physical system . We have 3 gunas corresponding to 3 mental elements which we assume can map to any hypothesis .In a normal physical system we have to put in our thoughts. In our spiritual system we integrate the appropriate 5 physical elements with appropriate 3 mental elements and give it active and dynamic intelligence which I think could be made to think on its own. The major work is in extracting the 5 elements and the 3 elements and integrating them. If it is possible to extract from direct spiritual energy it would considerably hasten up the job.What say you?

Lots lots work to be done. How is this very high level framework
 
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sravna said:
Assume we can map 5 elements of nature to any physical system . We have 3 gunas corresponding to 3 mental elements which we assume can map to any hypothesis .In a normal physical system we have to put in our thoughts. In our spiritual system we integrate the appropriate 5 physical elements with appropriate 3 mental elements and give it active and dynamic intelligence which I think could be made to think on its own. The major work is in extracting the 5 elements and the 3 elements and integrating them. If it is possible to extract from direct spiritual energy it would considerably hasten up the job.What say you?

Lots lots work to be done. How is this very high level framework
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Please read Tattva Bodhah of Adi Shakaracharya.
He explains the process of Panchikaranam( grossification of the 5 elements)
 
Renuka

The idea is to give intelligence using the mental elements. So to be compatible it has to work with physical elements. They are not grossified. But worked upon at the spiritual level.
 
Renuka

The idea is to give intelligence using the mental elements. So to be compatible it has to work with physical elements. They are not grossified. But worked upon at the spiritual level.

I can generate the spiritual energy. The elements have to be extracted from the spiritual energy.

The gunas are the basic qualities or subtlest energies of nature. In addition every form is made of 5 subtle elements though not as subtle as the gunas and also has a quality which is a mix of gunas. The mind has no form. It has only gunas.

The more subtle an energy is the more constant and continuous it is. So guna energies may be thought to be of constant nature. The mind also corresponds to the external reality of time. In time, past represents Tamas as it is something that has grossified , the present is the fluid state of rajas and future being the finest or the unperceivable and is sattva.

For something to be perceived it has to exist in present. That is the space aspect has to combine with time. That is things are perceived in space time and not perceived when they are in the past which can be thought of as space alone or in the future which can be thought of as time alone.

Life and intelligence are perceived in spacetime. So for intelligence to be created, 3 qualities of time or the gunas need to combine with the 5 elements of space.

Idea is still very crude but I can think it can be refined.
 
The evolution of mind is in having the right mix of sattva, Rajo and Tamas and the spirituality of the body is in having the right mix of doshas. Remember the doshas are formed from the 5 elements. The evolutions happen through mind body interaction
 
A very simplistic illustration of the theory . Lets say body has an experience. What would be its reaction. It depends on the output from brain and mind. Assume at this moment mind is prediminantly in sattva state and brain is predominantly in kapha state. If sattva combines with kapha it manifests as thinking about practical matters. So when the current consciousness is thinking practical matters the states of the mind and brain could be as above

If mind say is predominantly in rajas state at the moment and brain is in pitta state it is the manifestation of action. So when we do actions the states of mind and brain could be as above.

The states of the brain may also be influenced by what is experienced. So a brain which is on kapha state may change to pitta state when there is a need to act and gives output based on that. Of course the output of thr mind also comes in. The state of the Mind I believe is not influenced by changes in external stimuli.

This is simplistic and needs conceptual development.
 
The brain's current state factors in environment and pragmatic and mundane knowledge whereas mind's current state factors in nature of self and higher knowledge and both of them factor in past imprints on them.
 
The factored in parameters are inbuilt. For example the doshas representing the brain since they are spiritual elements has all the parameters such as environment, mundane knowledge etc inbuilt. Similarly for the gunas of the mind. The cosmic spiritual system takes care of this including factors such as place and time of birth and it's influence on physical and mental self. However we need to extract separately the spiritual elements for each parameter.

A clarification . For example when it comes to past experiences, some may be sattvic while some may be tamasic etc. Seeing the external stimuli and other parameters, the appropriate spiritual element for past experiences presents itself. So overall the right set of elements present themselves and prompt the response in self.
 

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