The thaali confusion: Does tying the yellow thread make a marriage legally valid?

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In this case,there was a sudden twist in the ceremony with the groom's brother tying the 'Thali' on bride's neck ......

No marriage is complete without this yellow thread which is also at times used conveniently as a weapon.

Inspite of cultural invasions, we still stick to such traditions and pay due value, significance and respects to 'Mangalsutra'.

Now what is its legal validity....?


The thaali confusion: Does tying the yellow thread make a marriage legally valid?

In India, thousands of women still continue to embrace the thaali or the mangalsutra after getting married - but is it a legally binding marker?

On his brother’s wedding day, a man in Vellore pushed the groom aside moments before he was to tie the thaali around his bride’s neck. The man then proceeded to tie the thaali around the bride's neck. It later turned out that he was in a relationship with the bride, and the ‘sneak’ thaali was tied very much with her consent. The two families, though, did not accept the wedding and made her remove the thaali.

While this case is quite unique, there is no dearth of a sequence of events that is quite the opposite; forced marriages are common in India, and many a time, the thaali is tied around the neck of an unwilling bride, without her consent.

But does that mean she’s married?

In India, thousands of women still continue to embrace the thaali or the mangalsutra after getting married.

Add to that years of stereotypical, hyper dramatic Indian TV shows, the thaali has attained the reputation of a thread so sacred that the lives of husbands quite literally depend on how intact it is.

So what is the legal validity of this yellow thread?

To read more click here

 

[prasad1]

I am not a legal expert, so my opinion may not have any significance in this matter.

Significance Of Mangalsutra In Hindu Marriage

Mangalsutra, as such, is not just a jewelry item, but a sacred thread of love and goodwill worn by married women, as a symbol of their successful marriage. An inevitable part of Hindu marriage ceremony, Mangalsutra refers to a revered symbol of wedlock. India being a land of diversity, different regions in the country have assigned different names for this scared symbol. While it is known as the thaaly or maangalyam in Kannada, Telugu and Tamil in Southern India, people in the northern part of India calls it Mangalsutra. It is believed that the concept of this sacred thread had its roots laid down in South India. Having immense significance and importance, it traveled to North India as well and today, forms an imperative part of the wedding ceremony.

Present ScenarioToday, the concept of wearing a mangalsutra has changed considerably. It is more of a fashion statement than a symbol of marriage, thanks to modernization. With the progressive times, the wearing of mangalsutra in working women has considerably reduced. There is also a marked change in the style and making of mangalsutra over the years. Previously, women used to wear simple design mangalsutra, with small pendants, but now, the trend is to wear short length ones, that too with a single string. Instead of gold pendants, they prefer diamond ones. However, the black beads have still managed to remain constant. Whatever may be the reason to adore it, mangalsutra surely symbolizes the real essence and concept of a Hindu marriage.

According to
http://www.lawyersclubindia.com/experts/Mangal-sutra-241731.asp

Mangal sutra is not a legal equipement. It is an ornament tied in recognition of a marriage under certain customs. Marriages are performed without mangalsutra also. So desertion and removal of mangalsutra has no bearings on the couple. It is the desire and the wish they cherish. Now there is no guarantee that they will not re unite. As far as the possession of this ornament is concerned it will remain with the wife otherwise you had an agreement on desertion

This is a legal opinion:

A physical relationship coupled with sindur and mangalsutra don’t constitute a valid marriage, the Bombay high court has ruled, stressing on the importance of proper ceremonies and “due form” for a legal union between man and woman.

The court was hearing a petition involving a 40-year-old businessman and a 38-year-old woman, who said she was “married” in front of Krishna idol and he applied “sindur” to her forehead and tied a “mangalsutra” around her neck.


They were in a physical relationship for 1.5 years and she wanted marital rights.

But the Bombay high court said the marriage couldn’t be valid under the 1955 Hindu Marriage Act as neither the community of the man nor the woman – Marwari and Brahmin respectively – recognized the union.

“Unless the marriage is celebrated or performed with proper ceremonies and in due form, it cannot be said to be solemnised,” said the bench led by justice BP Dharmadhikari.

The court overturned a 2015 family court verdict that ordered the restoring of marriage rights to the woman, who had two children from a previous marriage.

The bench pointed out that no one attended the “marriage” and neither friends nor family members recognised the two as “husband and wife”. The HC also refused to recognise the relationship as a live-in relationship as they never resided together under one roof.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/india...e-bombay-hc/story-pb4RPHRPKap5fdaHGmvCUI.html

In movies 2 people get married with no witness and assume it as marriage, that is not so according to the law.

 

[prasad1]

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Historically, the tradition seems to have originated in the 5th - 6th century CE. It is surprising but true that this practice was not in vogue in ancient days in Hindu weddings. The "Grhyasutras" ( laws of domestic rituals) do not mention the mangalsutra but only a "kankana bandhana". The kankana bandhana or protective cord was worn by the couple to protect them from all kinds of pollution before the samvesana (consummation). [/FONT]
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It appears the mangalsutra evolved more as a popular practice than as a scriptural observance. The mangalsutra is considered a talisman to ward off the evil eye. The black colour of the beads is said to absorb all negative vibrations before they can reach the bride and her family. The stringing together of the beads into one thread has its significance as well. Just as each bead contributes to making a beautiful necklace, so does the woman have to blend and integrate into the new family after marriage. The design of the mangalsutra depends on the budget. Moreover, people do go for the orthodox design because of its symbolism. These are emotional matters and generally people shy away from experimentation.

[/FONT]https://www.quora.com/When-did-mangalsutra-come-into-practice-and-why

 

[prasad1]

[h=1]Not Wearing Mangalsutra And Sindoor Cannot Be Reasons For Divorce: Bombay High Court[/h][h=6]The Logical Indian Crew[/h]
Recently, a husband moved the court seeking a divorce from his wife on grounds that she often removed mangalsutra and sindoor (vermilion) to irk him.Coming to the rescue of lakhs of Indian women, the Nagpur bench of the Bombay High Court ruled against the man’s bizarre (read: draconian, offensive, sexist, misogynistic and patriarchal) plea.While we are all pleased with the court’s ruling, the fact that such a plea was sought in 21st century India is depressing. What gave this man the leeway to think that he is entitled to seek divorce if his wife doesn’t wear a pallu over her head, or refuses to wear sindoor?Sadly, our mythology explains it.The tradition of wearing sindoor is a medium to empower women to the likes of Sati who was regarded as the ideal wife who gave her life for her husband’s honour.Similarly, an Indian woman wears sindoor in the parting of her hair for her husband’s long life and to signify that she is married; while covering their head with pallu is seen as a mark of respect that she is expected to give to the male members of the family.Contrastingly, the only symbol that a man has to wear to signify that he is married is……well, nothing.

https://thelogicalindian.com/news/mangalsutra-sindoor-divorce/

 

[mraghavan]

Pardon me for introducing Vedic ideas into what appears to be purely a secular/legal discussion. Neither the mangalsutra nor the sindhoor are recognized by Vedas to be the symbols of marriage. Marriage occurs at panigrahanam, after the groom vows to the bride's father and the rest of her family that he will take care of her better than they have. It is then and only then he can hold her hand. The Thali and the Sindhoor are applied after that ritual. I hope this helps.

 

[tbs]

hi

i heard that only SEVEN FERAS AND SAPTAPATHI ARE IMPORTANT IN A LEGAL MARRIAGE...all other ceremonies more added accordingly

changed too..in punjabi weddings no mangalsutra at all....ONLY SINDOOR/MAANG BARNA...so many culturally/caste based too...

 

[GANESH65]

In this case,there was a sudden twist in the ceremony with the groom's brother tying the 'Thali' on bride's neck ......

No marriage is complete without this yellow thread which is also at times used conveniently as a weapon.

Inspite of cultural invasions, we still stick to such traditions and pay due value, significance and respects to 'Mangalsutra'.

Now what is its legal validity....?


The thaali confusion: Does tying the yellow thread make a marriage legally valid?

In India, thousands of women still continue to embrace the thaali or the mangalsutra after getting married - but is it a legally binding marker?

On his brother’s wedding day, a man in Vellore pushed the groom aside moments before he was to tie the thaali around his bride’s neck. The man then proceeded to tie the thaali around the bride's neck. It later turned out that he was in a relationship with the bride, and the ‘sneak’ thaali was tied very much with her consent. The two families, though, did not accept the wedding and made her remove the thaali.

While this case is quite unique, there is no dearth of a sequence of events that is quite the opposite; forced marriages are common in India, and many a time, the thaali is tied around the neck of an unwilling bride, without her consent.

But does that mean she’s married?

In India, thousands of women still continue to embrace the thaali or the mangalsutra after getting married.

Add to that years of stereotypical, hyper dramatic Indian TV shows, the thaali has attained the reputation of a thread so sacred that the lives of husbands quite literally depend on how intact it is.

So what is the legal validity of this yellow thread?

To read more click here

Legal experts may differ, but this is what I believe.

"Eye witness" is most important concept which is important and influence any legal judgement in India. Maanglayadharanam which is the most important part of any Hindu Marriage is conducted in front of 100s of friends and relatives. Then why it should lack the legal acceptance is not understood.

 

[vgane]

All this could have been avoided only if the girl had applied her wisdom & not consented to the marriage..I think there is no legal bar on her going with the bridegroom's brother...I think in all goodness the couple should apologize to the bridegroom for this

 

[renuka]

All this could have been avoided only if the girl had applied her wisdom & not consented to the marriage..I think there is no legal bar on her going with the bridegroom's brother...I think in all goodness the couple should apologize to the bridegroom for this

Yes..she should have rejected Bhalladeva and only then married Amarendra Bahubali.

 

[krish44]

I think Sapthapadhi or saath pheras-thats taking seven steps around the sacred fire invoking the blessing s of God and each promising to the other love ,loyalty and

companionship is required in a hindu marriage . Though Thaali is considered sacred, sapthapadhi is considered as the proof of marriage.

For registration of marriage however, one requires wedding card giving date and place of marriage,photos of both boy together with garlands with two witnesses and

signature on some paper at registration office with a witness.

Sindoor and thaali only indicate a person is married .

 

[Falcon]

This happened in Tamil Nadu .....and there are people who don't believe in tradition of tying Thaali

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இதுதொடர்பாக அவர் விடுத்துள்ள அறிக்கை: புதிய தலைமுறை தொலைக்காட்சியில் மகளிர் தினத்தை முன்னிட்டு பெண்களுக்குத் தாலி தேவையா? என்ற விவாதத்தை நடத்துவதாக விளம்பரப்படுத்தியிருந்தார்கள். இந்த விளம்பரத்தில் பெண்களுக்கு தாலி என்பது நாய்க்கு சங்கலி கட்டுவது போல என ஒரு பெண் பேசுவதைப் பார்த்து அதிர்ச்சி அடைந்த பொது மக்கள், இதனைத் தடுத்து நிறுத்த இந்து முன்னணிக்கு வேண்டுகோள் விடுத்ததோடு, புதிய தலை முறைக்கும் தங்களது ஆட்சேபணையைத் தெரிவித்துள்ளனர்.


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சமூக விரோதிகளின் கூடாரமா புதியதலைமுறை டிவி?.. ராம. கோபாலன் கடும் பாய்ச்சல்

இதுதொடர்பாக அவர் விடுத்துள்ள அறிக்கை: புதிய தலைமுறை தொலைக்காட்சியில் மகளிர் தினத்தை முன்னிட்டு பெண்களுக்குத் தாலி தேவையா? என்ற விவாதத்தை நடத்துவதாக விளம்பரப்படுத்தியிருந்தார்கள். இந்த விளம்பரத்தில் பெண்களுக்கு தாலி என்பது நாய்க்கு சங்கலி கட்டுவது போல என ஒரு பெண் பேசுவதைப் பார்த்து அதிர்ச்சி அடைந்த பொது மக்கள், இதனைத் தடுத்து நிறுத்த இந்து முன்னணிக்கு வேண்டுகோள் விடுத்ததோடு, புதிய தலை முறைக்கும் தங்களது ஆட்சேபணையைத் தெரிவித்துள்ளனர்.

இதனைத் தொடர்ந்து இந்து முன்னணி பொறுப்பாளர்கள் புதிய தலைமுறை தொலைக்காட்சி அதிகாரிகளிடம் தொடர்பு கொண்டு நம்முடைய ஆட்சேபணையை தெரிவித்தபோது, நிகழ்ச்சியை ரத்து செய்யமுடியாது எனத் தெரிவித்துவிட்டனர். அதனை அடுத்து, எல்லா மாவட்டங்கள், நகரங்களிலும் காவல்துறையிடம் புதிய தொலைக்காட்சி மீது கிரிமினல் நடவடிக்கை எடுக்க வலியுறுத்தி புகார் கொடுக்கப்பட்டன.

காவல்துறை அதிகாரிகள், இதற்கு பெரும் ஆட்சேபம் எழுந்துள்ளது என்பதை எடுத்துக்கூறியும், அதனை அலட்சியப்படுத்தி தொலைக்காட்சி அதிகாரிகள் பேசியுள்ளனர். இன்று காலை 10 மணி அளவில் மாநிலப் பொதுச் செயலாளர் சி. பரமேஸ்வரன் தலைமையில் சென்னை மாநகர இந்து முன்னணி சார்பில் புதிய தலைமுறை தொலைக்காட்சி அலுவலகம் முன்பு ஆர்ப்பாட்டம் நடத்த சென்றனர். அலுவலகத்திற்கு ஒரு கிலோ மீட்டர் முன்பாகவே காவல்துறையினரால் தடுத்து நிறுத்தி, அனைவரையும் கைது செய்ய முற்பட்டனர். அங்கு ஏற்பட்ட பதட்டமான சூழ்நிலையில் தடியடி நடத்தினர். அந்த தள்ளுமுள்ளுவை படம்பிடிக்க வந்த பத்திரிகையாளர் காமிரா கீழே விழுந்தது. இதனை திட்டமிட்டு புதிய தலைமுறை தொலைக்காட்சி ஏற்பாடு செய்திருந்தது என்பது தற்போது தெரிய வந்ததுள்ளது.

அதன் பரபரப்பு செய்தியில் சமூக விரோதிகள் தாக்குதல், பத்திரிகையாளர் மீது தாக்குதல், காவல்துறை கைகட்டி வேடிக்கைப் பார்த்தனர் என செய்தியை தொடர்ந்து வெளியிட்டு வருகிறது. இதனை வன்மையாகக் கண்டிக்கிறோம். நடந்தது ஜனநாயக வழியிலான எதிர்ப்பு, இதனை திசைத் திருப்பும் புதிய தலைமுறை தொலைக்காட்சி நிறுவனத்திற்கு இந்து முன்னணி கடும் கண்டனத்தைத் தெரிவித்துக் கொள்கிறோம்.

மேலும், புதிய தலைமுறை தொலைக்காட்சி, மக்கள் விரோதமான நிகழ்ச்சிகளை தொடர்ந்து நடத்தி வருகிறது. இந்நிறுவனத்தின் மீது கொடுக்கப்பட்டுள்ள புகார் மனு மீது காவல்துறை தகுந்த நடவடிக்கை எடுக்க வேண்டும் என்று வலியுறுத்திக் கேட்டுக்கொள்கிறோம். இனியும் இதுபோன்ற சமூக விரோத செயல்களில் புதிய தலை முறை தொலைக்காட்சி ஈடுபட்டால் அதனால் ஏற்படும் பாதிப்பு களுக்கு அவர்களே பொறுப்பு என்பதையும் தெரிவித்துக் கொள்கிறோம் என்று அவர் எச்சரித்துள்ளார்

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