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Unlike Jolie, Indian women wary of mastectomy, say doctors

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Dear Renu,

Fate is cruel sometimes. My eldest mAmi was a gynecologist in a famous hospital in Coimbatore for many years.

During the last few years of service, she was posted in the cancer section, where many young kid were also treated.

She used to give toys and books to cheer them up. Most of her life was dedicated to her profession and also to her

family and extended family. Now in the ripe age, she is bed ridden for the past four years and needs assistance for

everything! But she has the mental courage to accept that it is the effect of her karmA in the previous births that

makes her suffer and keeps a smiling face, without grumbling! Great lady! :angel:
 

Dear Renu,

Fate is cruel sometimes. My eldest mAmi was a gynecologist in a famous hospital in Coimbatore for many years.

During the last few years of service, she was posted in the cancer section, where many young kid were also treated.

She used to give toys and books to cheer them up. Most of her life was dedicated to her profession and also to her

family and extended family. Now in the ripe age, she is bed ridden for the past four years and needs assistance for

everything! But she has the mental courage to accept that it is the effect of her karmA in the previous births that

makes her suffer and keeps a smiling face, without grumbling! Great lady! :angel:

I somehow feel that Smt. (?) Angelina Jolie has been able to bring at least a good number of our members to accept that Fate or the effects of one' s past karmas is the Supreme Power as far as humans is concerned. There is this Fate or Law of Karma on one side and Life on the other - very much like mrityu and jnAna ever following AdiShankara in that film on His life. Our ideas about god, our bhakti, our eligibility to heaven or even Moksha, are all mirage; just as advaita says "jaganmithyA". If only people understand this and watch their karmas now, the world will definitely become a better place.
 

The suffering by good people and 'anAyAsa maraNam' for some not-so-good made me write this:

முதலாவதும், இரண்டாவதும்…

முதலாம் குழந்தைப் பருவம் மிகவும் இனியதே!
பெறலாம் ஈன்றோரின் அரவணைப்பை இனிதே!

இரண்டாம் குழந்தைப் பருவமோ மிகக் கொடியதே!

இரண்டாம் கருத்துக்கும் வழியில்லாது முடிவதே!

பிஞ்சுக் குழந்தையைக் கையாள்வதுபோலத் தலை

பஞ்சாய் நரைத்தவரைக் கையாள முடிவதில்லை!

பல்லில்லாத் தன் பொக்கைவாய்ச் சிரிப்பால், மற்றவரைச்

செல்லாக் காசுபோலான முதியவர் கவர முடிவதில்லை!

உலகுக்குத் தன்னைக் கொடுத்தவரை விடத் தான்

உலகுக்குக் கொடுத்த வாரிசிடம் பாசமும் அதிகமே!

முற்பிறவியில் எனக்கு இல்லாதிருந்த நம்பிக்கை,

இப்பிறவியில் சிலரின் வேதனை கண்டபின் வந்தது!

பொறுமையும் அன்பும் மிகுந்த சிலரின் அவதியும்,

பொறுமையே இல்லாத சிலரின் அனாயாச மரணமும்,

உண்டு உண்டு முற்பிறவியும், மறுபிறவியும் என்று

கண்டு நாம் உணர்ந்து கொள்ளவே என்றும் அறிகிறேன்!

என்னவெல்லாம் முன் ஜன்மத்தில் செய்தோமென அறியோம்!

என்னவெல்லாம் எதிர்காலத்தில் வருமெனவும் அறியோம்!

நன்மை தவிர மற்றவை நினையாமல், செய்யாமல், என்றும்

அன்பை மட்டுமே கொடுத்து, நல்ல மறுபிறவிக்கு முயலுவோம்!

:angel: . . . :thumb:
 
Very sad. I have come to accept that a weak heart is preferable which can stop within a wink and protect the patient and the near and dear from extended physical torture and external assistance.



Dear Renu,

Fate is cruel sometimes. My eldest mAmi was a gynecologist in a famous hospital in Coimbatore for many years.

During the last few years of service, she was posted in the cancer section, where many young kid were also treated.

She used to give toys and books to cheer them up. Most of her life was dedicated to her profession and also to her

family and extended family. Now in the ripe age, she is bed ridden for the past four years and needs assistance for

everything! But she has the mental courage to accept that it is the effect of her karmA in the previous births that

makes her suffer and keeps a smiling face, without grumbling! Great lady! :angel:
 
Very sad. I have come to accept that a weak heart is preferable which can stop within a wink and protect the patient and the near and dear from extended physical torture and external assistance.
Dear Sir,

Not always. I have seen people with weak heart who undergo surgeries and are in pain most of the time.

I met one of my relatives, a lady in early 60s, after her heart surgery (valve replacement) with a row of

metal clips to close the surgical opening! It was scary! But, a person who is able to do the daily chores on

his / her own till the end and leaves by a heart attack is more blessed than those who are bed ridden and

suffer! Our family friend, the founder of Ragasudha Hall in Sing Chennai, was active till his last minutes and

his end was by a heart attack! :rip:
 
It is all money and business:

EXPOSED: Angelina Jolie part of a clever corporate scheme to protect billions in BRCA gene patents, influence Supreme Court decision

Natural News has learned it all coincides with a well-timed for-profit corporate P.R. campaign that has been planned for months and just happens to coincide with the upcoming U.S. Supreme Court decision on the viability of the BRCA1 patent.

Learn more: EXPOSED: Angelina Jolie part of a clever corporate scheme to protect billions in BRCA gene patents, influence Supreme Court decision (opinion)



Learn more: EXPOSED: Angelina Jolie part of a clever corporate scheme to protect billions in BRCA gene patents, influence Supreme Court decision (opinion)
 
The articles posted in Natural News is total quackery.
According to Rational Wiki.

NaturalNews.com (formerly Newstarget) is a website founded by Mike "the Health Ranger" Adams. The site promotes almost every sort of medical woo known, though it specializes in vaccine denialism, AIDS/HIV denial, quack cancer medicine and conspiracy theories about modern medicine. Even other quacks think it's a quack site. The site has recently expanded its outlook to become an outlet for extreme environmentalist and other moonbat-related woo and conspiracy theorizing.
If you cite NaturalNews on any matter whatsoever, you are almost certainly wrong.

Internet is full of misinformation, one has to have an agenda to find misinformation and quote it.
NaturalNews - RationalWiki

I am not surprised that Mr. Mike Adams has a friend in this site.
Ram milaye jodi.


First, you need to take note. The purpose of this article is blatant, and it’s to sell stuff. After Adams has seemingly gotten his readers all fired up over the horror of Jolie’s decision to “maim” herself, the very last section of the article advertises this:


Inform yourself and you can protect your body from the insane, knife-wielding cancer surgeons. Get the New Cancer Solutions CD set and empower yourself with real answers rather than cancer industry disinformation and deadly propaganda.

One can’t help but note that Adams is indulging in a favorite pastime of quacks every where: Denialism of genetics and wishful thinking that genetics don’t rule. Adams lives very well with himself: he believes that he is helping readers. As he helps himself to their money by frightening them into buying his films or products.

Adams is getting rich at the expense of people(sic!) who follow him. It would help us all if postings of fear mongers like MIKE ADAMS are NOT posted.
 
The articles posted in Natural News is total quackery.
According to Rational Wiki.



Internet is full of misinformation, one has to have an agenda to find misinformation and quote it.
NaturalNews - RationalWiki

I am not surprised that Mr. Mike Adams has a friend in this site.
Ram milaye jodi.


First, you need to take note. The purpose of this article is blatant, and it’s to sell stuff. After Adams has seemingly gotten his readers all fired up over the horror of Jolie’s decision to “maim” herself, the very last section of the article advertises this:


Inform yourself and you can protect your body from the insane, knife-wielding cancer surgeons. Get the New Cancer Solutions CD set and empower yourself with real answers rather than cancer industry disinformation and deadly propaganda.

One can’t help but note that Adams is indulging in a favorite pastime of quacks every where: Denialism of genetics and wishful thinking that genetics don’t rule. Adams lives very well with himself: he believes that he is helping readers. As he helps himself to their money by frightening them into buying his films or products.

Adams is getting rich at the expense of people(sic!) who follow him. It would help us all if postings of fear mongers like MIKE ADAMS are NOT posted.

What about all the rest of the info surrounding the case, are all these lies?
 
Jolie began the process on Feb. 2, when she underwent a "nipple delay" procedure to make sure there is no breast cancer behind the nipple. She completed all the mastectomy procedures on April 27, including breast reconstruction with an implant, she wrote.
"I wanted to write this to tell other women that the decision to have a mastectomy was not easy," she wrote. "But it is one I am very happy that I made. My chances of developing breast cancer have dropped from 87 percent to under 5 percent. I can tell my children that they don’t need to fear they will lose me to breast cancer."
The type of mastectomy a person undergoes depends on each individual case. Nipple-sparing mastectomy only involves surgical removal of breast tissue -- not the nipple or areola -- while skin-sparing mastectomy involves removal of all the breast except for the breast skin, according to the Mayo Clinic. A simple mastectomy involves surgical removal of the whole breast, while a modified radical mastectomy involves surgical removal of the whole breast in addition to the chest muscle lining, underarm lymph nodes and sometimes a part of the chest wall.
[FONT=Georgia, Century, Times, serif]CNN recently reported on a study showing that [/FONT]preventive mastectomy[FONT=Georgia, Century, Times, serif], also known as prophylactic mastectomy, is more common in the United States than in other countries.[/FONT]
Earlier this year, 24-year-old Miss America contestantAllyn Rose[FONT=Georgia, Century, Times, serif], announced she was undergoing a preventive mastectomy because she has a strong family history of breast cancer (her mother has the disease).[/FONT]

[FONT=Georgia, Century, Times, serif]I know there is a bias against anything done in USA in this site, but I assumed that there is respect for science, I am sorry I was mistaken.

[/FONT]Wendy Watson, who founded the UK's National Hereditary Breast Cancer Helpline, welcomed Jolie's decision to write publicly about her operation.

Dr Richard Francis, head of research at Breakthrough Breast Cancer, said that faults in the BRCA1 gene, which on average put women at a 65% risk of developing breast cancer, were rare and in most cases were linked to family history. at a 65% risk of developing breast cancer, were rare and in most cases were linked to family history.
Andy Burnham, the shadow health secretary, spoke last week about how his wife, Marie-France, who lost a sister to breast cancer aged 39, had had a risk-reducing double mastectomy. "What the NHS did for my wife was incredible. Her family were living in Belgium and the care there is not as good as what is provided here. Of the three sisters, Claire died, and Louise, the eldest, had breast cancer but has seen it off," the former health secretary told Fabian Review in an interview.


Burnham recalled how he had been lobbied, while still a junior health minister, to speed up the implementation of genetic testing. "I did a lot of work, never knowing that one day we would have to use those tests, and it does bring it home to you how [progress] can save lives," he added.
Angelina Jolie praised for revelation over double mastectomy | Society | guardian.co.uk

Mastectomy - MayoClinic.com

Mastectomy is surgery to remove all breast tissue from a breast as a way to treat or prevent breast cancer.


For those with early-stage breast cancer, mastectomy may be one treatment option. Breast-conserving surgery (lumpectomy), in which only the tumor is removed from the breast, may be another option. Deciding between mastectomy and lumpectomy can be difficult. Both procedures are equally effective. But lumpectomy isn't an option for everyone with breast cancer, and others prefer to undergo a mastectomy.


Newer mastectomy techniques can preserve breast skin and allow for a more natural breast appearance following the procedure. Surgery to restore shape to your breast — called breast reconstruction — may be done at the same time as your mastectomy or during a second operation at a later date.


Why it's done


Mastectomy is used to remove all breast tissue if you have breast cancer or are at especially high risk of developing it. You may have a mastectomy to remove one breast (unilateral mastectomy) or both breasts (bilateral mastectomy).



Breast Cancer and the Types of Mastectomy

A mastectomy is surgery to remove a breast. In the past, a radical mastectomy with complete removal of the breast was the standard treatment for breast cancer. However, surgical breakthroughs over the past two decades have given women more options than ever before. Less invasive breast-conserving therapy may be equally effective as mastectomy for treating breast cancer for some women.

I posted this thread as purely informational for members of this site. I know it is an expensive elective procedure.
It is not for the masses, or the bleeding hart liberal who is worried that there is poverty in India, this will not solve the poverty.
 
This is just for sharing an information:

Breast Cancer Warning Signs

All women should do a monthly self-examination, according to Dr. Oratz. Most women should see a doctor 1-2 times a year. Women should check for the shape of their breasts, any changes in skin color, any discharges, and any changes in skin texture.

Breast Cancer Warning Signs You Shouldn't Ignore - Breast Cancer Center - EverydayHealth.com


I think a large majority of educated people in india believe the maxim that
"ignorance is bliss". Particularly for others.
 
Dear KRS ji,

My post was a general post and I hope you did not misunderstand my post as targeting any situation.

If my post came across as such>>..I apologize.

May be my post sounded a bit harsh especially my last line(Which I have Edited) but that was from a doctor's point of view minus emotions.

Yes I agree that when death hits close to home...one might want to seek answers..but that is just at the beginning stages and after the fear of death goes off..no one takes illness so seriously either.

My MIL died of Cancer Colon and so did her elder brother after 2 years of her expiry.

That puts my husband at a high risk too and I have told him to get annual screening done..when the wounds of the death of his mother were fresh he was keen to get tested but after the fear of death has cooled down he does not want to go for any test too.

So you see each human differs in mindset..some take extra precautions and get tested and some are complacent.

renu,

i think it is good for mr renu to get checked atleast every 5 years.

my mom had the same. even though she did not die of it, my family doctor here, had me checked every year for 3 years. after that, the frequency is once every 5 years.

the last time was last year when i turned 62. now the next one is due when i will be 67, assuming i am still alive. at that time, i have to make a decision whether i want it.

the canadian government health care system is good - but sometimes it spends out of proportion time and effort on something that i dont know if it is worth it all. my friend's 91 year old mother, with a slew of ailments, was also diagnosed with colon cancer. not sure whether it is worth the pain and trouble to undergo the surgery at that age..and the accompanying chemo therapy. tough decisions..
 
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