What is anti nationalisn?

[sravna]

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So much debate has been happening in our country on nationalism and anti nationalism and yet I think there is no clarity on what constitute them.

In my view, any concept if it has to endure has to align itself with the universal and the timeless. It should not be parochial in scope and not be exclusive. Blanket hate against pakistan, muslims or any other group is not right or wise. In judging anything, one has to rise above the personal prejudiced views and view from a higher perspective. That is bound to give benefits because that can touch and reach even the opponent and make him reconsider his view. But being wise is not easy as one should not give the impression that one is soft and weak.

So whether it is the concept of nationalism or anti nationalism , shed your prejudices and look from other man's angle also before you make a decision. It may turn out that one is right but one should come to that conclusion in the right way.

 

[vgane]

So whether it is the concept of nationalism or anti nationalism , shed your prejudices and look from other man's angle also before you make a decision. It may turn out that one is right but one should come to that conclusion in the right way.

I agree with your view but in the altar of sub nationalism even our Nationalistic song Vande mataram is a taboo as it is disliked by Muslims; Praising the army is also bad as it is disliked by Kashmiris...Anything Hindi or Sanskrit is disliked by the Dravidian masses...Ultimately we have to go by majority view...Without nationalism our ethos is lost

 

[sravna]

I agree with your view but in the altar of sub nationalism even our Nationalistic song Vande mataram is a taboo as it is disliked by Muslims; Praising the army is also bad as it is disliked by Kashmiris...Anything Hindi or Sanskrit is disliked by the Dravidian masses...Ultimately we have to go by majority view...Without nationalism our ethos is lost

Dear Shri Vgane,

This will happen when people of diverse ethos have to live together. The solution is not to promote one particular ethos such as the majority one but to look for commonality in ethos and promote that. I think there is not a fundamental difference in the nature of people and one can tap that hidden commonality to bring about the unity.

 

[renuka]

So much debate has been happening in our country on nationalism and anti nationalism and yet I think there is no clarity on what constitute them.

In my view, any concept if it has to endure has to align itself with the universal and the timeless. It should not be parochial in scope and not be exclusive. Blanket hate against pakistan, muslims or any other group is not right or wise. In judging anything, one has to rise above the personal prejudiced views and view from a higher perspective. That is bound to give benefits because that can touch and reach even the opponent and make him reconsider his view. But being wise is not easy as one should not give the impression that one is soft and weak.

So whether it is the concept of nationalism or anti nationalism , shed your prejudices and look from other man's angle also before you make a decision. It may turn out that one is right but one should come to that conclusion in the right way.

Dear Sravna,

I agree with you.

As a human we eventually need to have a Universal outlook without Pride and Prejudice.

One is the citizen of the Universe first even before one becomes a citizen of a nation or town or village or community or family.

A total Universal outlook needs to be practiced but at the same time one must not be an Illichavaiyan and be taken advantage off.

If one is facing a Muhammad Ghori one should not be a Prithiviraj Chauhan and be carelessly forgiving which could lead to our eyes being gouged out.

Viveka is important too but as one progresses into a Universal outlook..usually Viveka become pronounced and one is able to view a situation without attachment or personal gain for the benefit of all..therefore any action taken is in accordance with Dharma of the era.

Good topic Sravna...I fully agree with what you wrote.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

I agree with you.

As a human we eventually need to have a Universal outlook without Pride and Prejudice.

One is the citizen of the Universe first even before one becomes a citizen of a nation or town or village or community or family.

A total Universal outlook needs to be practiced but at the same time one must not be an Illichavaiyan and be taken advantage off.

If one is facing a Muhammad Ghori one should not be a Prithiviraj Chauhan and be carelessly forgiving which could lead to our eyes being gouged out.

Viveka is important too but as one progresses into a Universal outlook..usually Viveka become pronounced and one is able to view a situation without attachment or personal gain for the benefit of all..therefore any action taken is in accordance with Dharma of the era.

Good topic Sravna...I fully agree with what you wrote.

Thank you Renuka.

 

[sravna]

If you want me to define nationalism, I would start with the concept of nation. A nation is not just something that bounds people within a territory. One of the main objectives of a nation is the well being of the people. All the nations including the so called advanced nations are in the rudimentary stages with regard to taking care of the welfare of the people. Worse still some nations are not able to even protect the lives of its people.

Vested and political interests and above all ignorance seem to be the main culprits. So selfish agenda seem to be the order of the way with the minds of the people also being poisoned. The whole system by which a country is run seems to be favoring prejudice and preventing fair play. We are physically in 21st century but still with stone age mind. We seem to be in a self destructive mode.

Nations have to learn to cooperate and understand that it is in the interest of all to do that instead of fighting wars with one another and also investing bulk of their energies towards that. It would be a win win situation if one cooperates and complements. The quest for knowledge should drive one and all and not the need to satisfy a group of people's ego and that mindset has to be firmly placed in people.

Think about it folks. What is the gain in nations spying on one another , trying to destabilize the other and going into war when all that eventually results because of this is destruction on all sides. Is there any formidable barrier in nations working together as a unit and as planet earth?

It is time we raised the bar and accomplish things that gives meaning to our existence and a strong inner satisfaction.

 

[a-TB]

I agree with your view but in the altar of sub nationalism even our Nationalistic song Vande mataram is a taboo as it is disliked by Muslims; Praising the army is also bad as it is disliked by Kashmiris...Anything Hindi or Sanskrit is disliked by the Dravidian masses...Ultimately we have to go by majority view...Without nationalism our ethos is lost

All these are real issues. It is not possible to have 'nationalism' celebrated without dividing humanity. Nations come and go. USSR does not exist, Bangladesh was created not too long ago, Crimea was annexed, British empire does not exist anymore, East and West Germany became one Germany, .. So nationalism for these countries have emerged or changed.
Some religious people feel more close based on religion than nation. So nationalism is at odds with religions sometimes. All these divide people. But nationalism is needed for a country to come together

 

[கால பைரவன்]

Think about this: The education of these students who often indulge in anti-india sloganeering is actually funded by the very same nation that they have so much contempt for. Such is the sad state of affairs. These students seem to be doing everything except the purpose for which they are attending the school. Not only that, these constant agitations inside the campuses are hurting the career of many other students who deserve better. Too much space ceded to leftist politics in central universities is causing mayhem.

 

[sravna]

Dear Folks,

It is time that people learn to live more at the mental level. When we go by physical reality such as color and other aspects, divisions seem to abound and since most of these physical differences are in fact trivial in basis, one should be be led by any difference at the physical level. Even more of physical comforts is at loggerheads with peace after a threshold.

Let us give values a reality and act based on them. We can be rid of a number of trivial divisions and will be able to embrace more of all the others.

 

[Vaagmi]

So much debate has been happening in our country on nationalism and anti nationalism and yet I think there is no clarity on what constitute them.

In my view, any concept if it has to endure has to align itself with the universal and the timeless. It should not be parochial in scope and not be exclusive. Blanket hate against pakistan, muslims or any other group is not right or wise. In judging anything, one has to rise above the personal prejudiced views and view from a higher perspective. That is bound to give benefits because that can touch and reach even the opponent and make him reconsider his view. But being wise is not easy as one should not give the impression that one is soft and weak.

So whether it is the concept of nationalism or anti nationalism , shed your prejudices and look from other man's angle also before you make a decision. It may turn out that one is right but one should come to that conclusion in the right way.

At a fairly high level-which we can call philosophical level-nationalism is all about organizing people. It is just organizing people on the basis of any of these: race, lan guage, color, religion, geographic location, hatred for something etc., etc., The driving force for nationalism is a feeling of insecurity and a desire to preserve what one community has. Once a sizeable chunk of territory and people living there contiguously have been organized under a banner, the group and its land becomes a nation. A flag is 'created', a national anthem is 'created' and an identity is 'created'. People then rally behind all these icons and organize themselves to rule themselves by a Government elected by them or a king thrown up by the community.

When a citizen living in such a geographical un it called a nation accepts the dictats of the majority and lives in peace with them, he becomes nationalistic or a true citizen, loyal citizen etc., He identifies himself totally with the geographical creation and pays taxes goes to war with "enemy" nations. etc., and even dies in that effort.

So it all boils down to just organizing and preserving.

At the practical level too I need to accept India as my nation even if I consider myself as a world citizen. I can not afford to go against my country. If I do that I know pretty well that there will be total chaos and I may be on the streets after my house and properties have been taken over by may be a Chinese with mongoloid features like slit eyes etc., or by a pathan or an Afghan or a slav or a nordic with extremely strange and repulsive looks/eating habits/values etc.,(these are not prejudices but very real issues for me as I have met with and lived in the midst of such races) So by choice I prefer to be nationalistic so that I do not become an ilichavayan though secretly I yearn to be just a world citizen totally free from fetters and the burden of loyalty.

So how do we reconcile? Be nationalistic and keep yearning for and respecting world citizenship. LOL.

And after a long time I got today a thumbs down for one of my old posts. I wanted to celebrate it and gave a thumbs up. LOL.

 

[sravna]

Dear Shri Vaagmi,

I am talking more about the direction of mindset. I think we need to slowly move away from organizing and preserving to organizing for elevating. I believe that is what can take us to the next level.

 

[renuka]

Dear Shri Vaagmi,

I am talking more about the direction of mindset. I think we need to slowly move away from organizing and preserving to organizing for elevating. I believe that is what can take us to the next level.

Dear Sravna..I agree with you.

We as humans eventually need to have Samadarshinah and holding on too much to any form of transient identity only adds on a vasana in the long run.

But its hard to leave our outer covering..for me to a great extent I consider myself fortunate becos of being a mixed type of Indian..I learnt to have a broader outlook and not strongly identify myself with either one community but at the same time enjoy my diversity.

I have made conscious understanding to have a more universal outlook..cos I feel if I truly want to do justice to all that I have read in religion so far..I surely need to look at a Nordic or a Semetic or an African or an Asian or Indian etc as just different forms of the same Atma.

I hope before I exit this world I can have just an experience of Samadarshinah.

Not easy I know..but I believe in trying.

Let you know a secret..sometimes falling in love gives you temporary Samadarshinah.

 

[sravna]

Yes Renuka it seems an ideal but I believe in attaining ideals

 

[Vaagmi]

Dear Shri Vaagmi,

I am talking more about the direction of mindset. I think we need to slowly move away from organizing and preserving to organizing for elevating. I believe that is what can take us to the next level.

Without losing sight of your situation, keep yearning for that. LOL.

 

[sravna]

Without losing sight of your situation, keep yearning for that. LOL.

No Chance. I see what I believe and not the other way round.

 

[sravna]

I really do not want to use the term anti nationalism because at a conceptual level it is not robust. I would rather use the term anti unity instead and treat that act as serious as anti nationalism. What is anti unity? It is any act that tries to corrupt the minds of people and thereby create divisiveness among them. Communalism is divisive whereas varna system is not because the latter tries to create harmony where one style of thinking complements the rest. But casteism is divisive because of its intent.