What is tampering with nature?

[sravna]

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This topic is of interest to me because I have used spiritual power to cure patients. Folks, this is my take on this topic.

One is tampering with nature only when one works against the spiritual laws. What we see as physical reality is a projection and whatever we see happening in that reality is happening in accordance with nature. In other words what ever we do to the external reality is not tampering with nature. So one can find cure to health problems that can stop suffering but we cannot say we have influenced nature because we just find a remedy whose scope is restricted to external reality which unfolds only in accordance with nature.

But with spiritual cure it is a different ball game. We are trying to access inner reality and solve the problems. I believe that in the case of physical health problems, even though the inner reality is accessed, we only change the external reality.. If one is only changing the effects on the body it is ok. It is still being in sync with nature and as per destiny. Only when the inner reality is changed like the functioning and experiences of mind, nature is being tampered with. Mind related problems are problems of inner reality. The rule I follow is this: you are doing right and acting in sync with nature if you are helping others in doing right but a concurrent counselling process is essential to let the affected person realize what is right because making realizations by self is the essence of spiritual solutions.

What is your take folks?

 

[auh]

This topic is of interest to me because I have used spiritual power to cure patients. Folks, this is my take on this topic.

One is tampering with nature only when one works against the spiritual laws.

The term "spiritual laws" is kind of Don Quixotic, imo. A law is a procedure, a method, to be followed strictly. The term "spiritual" refers to a belief based ideology that has its own set of personal experiences, which are not common when applied to the larger group. Hence "spiritual law" is oxymoronic.

What we see as physical reality is a projection and whatever we see happening in that reality is happening in accordance with nature.In other words what ever we do to the external reality is not tampering with nature.

From your above sentences, I think you meant physical reality = external reality, and if physical reality is "happening in accordance with nature then what ever we do to the external reality is equal to tampering with nature." Is it not? You have tied up yourself in a knot of words here.

Secondly, there is no guarantee that there is a physical reality and another reality. Then the term "reality" loses its relevance.

So one can find cure to health problems that can stop suffering but we cannot say we have influenced nature because we just find a remedy whose scope is restricted to external reality which unfolds only in accordance with nature.

This conclusion is baseless as I have pointed out above. Moreover, if you identify something as nature, then anything you do to disturb it would be against nature !!

But with spiritual cure it is a different ball game. We are trying to access inner reality and solve the problems. I believe that in the case of physical health problems, even though the inner reality is accessed, we only change the external reality.. If one is only changing the effects on the body it is ok. It is still being in sync with nature and as per destiny. Only when the inner reality is changed like the functioning and experiences of mind, nature is being tampered with. Mind related problems are problems of inner reality. The rule I follow is this: you are doing right and acting in sync with nature if you are helping others in doing right but a concurrent counselling process is essential to let the affected person realize what is right because making realizations by self is the essence of spiritual solutions.

Can there be a mind when all the cognizing devices in the body are not working? Mind is only the resultant amalgamation of our hormonic reactions that are fed into the processor called "brain", which interprets them according to conditioned methods of perception. It is not an entity by itself. Can we say that a computer has a mind? Only difference is that our brain has undergone several iterations of "programming" that it seems that we have a separate entity that is distinct from the physical. This is due to the reason that many times our brain takes decision that are against instinct, and sometimes self-destructive. But I think this is due to the fact that the primitive instincts are loaded with a lot of self imposed layers (probably self-preservative by origin) that there are exceptions.

What is your take folks?

What really is nature?

 

[sravna]

Dear Auh,

Nature is an inherent aspect of something. So when you are talking about nature you are talking about the inherent aspect of reality. Whatever you see happening in the physical reality is actually unfolding in accordance with nature. There is something called fate and destiny which is the unchangeable unfolding of reality.

But what if you have an handle to the inner reality? Can you tamper with nature and even chart destiny? It is taken care of in two ways. One, it just happens in sync with nature i.e, the spiritual power is used in accordance with nature and this is an explicit revelation of spiritual reality and the other when the spiritual power is not pure, I believe as is the common belief it strikes back the user. Again both are part of destiny as the user in one case acts in accordance with it and in another case is not allowed to act against it.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,

Ok..what is your take on this...pretty recently I had to deal with an older person who had lost his spouse.
He was healthy before this but becos he was severely depressed his blood pressure shot up and he came to see me.


I addressed his depression as the cause for his sudden rise in BP.

Then I encouraged him to empty his mind and he cried non stop saying he was unable to express his grief cos people expect males to not cry and put a brave front.

I told him cry how much you want.

He cried and cried..I had to comfort him by holding his hand and gently stroking it.

Ok next..within 24 hours his BP became normal.


Ok Sravna...so what energy was used here in healing?

Logic by allowing him to cry or Spiritual Energy?

 

[mkrishna100]

Ok Sravna...so what energy was used here in healing?

Logic by allowing him to cry or Spiritual Energy?

Many alternative therapies like Reiki , Pranic Healing , Crystal work etc etc where there is a 1-1 attention between the Healer and the Client works not because of the healing technciuqes ( which are only secondary ) but due to the empathy and time offered by the Healer to the Client and every client goes fresh after the healing session as they are given an opportunity to unload their problems in front of the Healer or spiritual Guide . In regular allopathic medicine this sort of thing does not happen much and no Doctor would spend 30mts - 45 mts listening to a Client's sob story .
My Vedanta Teacher used to joke that many people who come to meet him for 30 mts will go refreshed saying Swamiji we got clarity after meeting you and the Swamiji would joke that he did nothing excpet listened to them patiently for 30 mts and they felt relaxed and refreshed after that and after receving the Vibuthi Prasad they feel there is some magic in the Vibuthi that gave them clarity .So bottom line is if we listen to someone's problems patiently without judging them much they feel more relaxed after unloading all the stuff and that itself acts as a healer and the healing techniques etc have only a secondary role .

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka, Shri. Krishna,

Being empathetic to the patient would definitely help. It is a factor but you cannot deny spiritual energy playing a role. Genuine healers are naturally empathetic towards others. So I would say both play a role. But beyond a certain point, being empathetic alone will not work is what I believe.

 

[sravna]

Also the spiritual energy can radiate from a healer and even the speech and thoughts are powerful in addition to the power of the healer's presence itself. That can explain why even a session with a genuine healer by itself can solve problems.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka, Shri. Krishna,

Being empathetic to the patient would definitely help. It is a factor but you cannot deny spiritual energy playing a role. Genuine healers are naturally empathetic towards others. So I would say both play a role. But beyond a certain point, being empathetic alone will not work is what I believe.

Dear Sravna,

I personally feel no spiritual energy was involved.

The trick is to allow a person to express himself.

As a doc one can not have too much empathy cos that would cloud our judgment and we can not get too involved with a patient.

But by allowing a person to express himself and we offer some amount of attention without trying to offer too much advice the person feels he got to express himself without being judged and told what he should do and what he should not do.

Its better always to let a person find his way around the problem than forcing our views on them.

 

[renuka]

Many alternative therapies like Reiki , Pranic Healing , Crystal work etc etc where there is a 1-1 attention between the Healer and the Client works not because of the healing technciuqes ( which are only secondary ) but due to the empathy and time offered by the Healer to the Client and every client goes fresh after the healing session as they are given an opportunity to unload their problems in front of the Healer or spiritual Guide . In regular allopathic medicine this sort of thing does not happen much and no Doctor would spend 30mts - 45 mts listening to a Client's sob story .
My Vedanta Teacher used to joke that many people who come to meet him for 30 mts will go refreshed saying Swamiji we got clarity after meeting you and the Swamiji would joke that he did nothing excpet listened to them patiently for 30 mts and they felt relaxed and refreshed after that and after receving the Vibuthi Prasad they feel there is some magic in the Vibuthi that gave them clarity .So bottom line is if we listen to someone's problems patiently without judging them much they feel more relaxed after unloading all the stuff and that itself acts as a healer and the healing techniques etc have only a secondary role .

Agreed..

BTW a normal session with a psychiatrist takes about 1 hour.

A General Practitioner can offer 30 minutes of hearing session on appointment basis.

 

[tbs]

Dear Sravna,

Ok..what is your take on this...pretty recently I had to deal with an older person who had lost his spouse.
He was healthy before this but becos he was severely depressed his blood pressure shot up and he came to see me.


I addressed his depression as the cause for his sudden rise in BP.

Then I encouraged him to empty his mind and he cried non stop saying he was unable to express his grief cos people expect males to not cry and put a brave front.

I told him cry how much you want.

He cried and cried..I had to comfort him by holding his hand and gently stroking it.

Ok next..within 24 hours his BP became normal.


Ok Sravna...so what energy was used here in healing?

Logic by allowing him to cry or Spiritual Energy?

hi renu...

both ...lah...