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Why do Holy men ‘Suffer’?

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Picture of naked Sri Sadasiva Brahmendra

“Weapons do not cleave this self (Atma), fire does not burn him; waters do not make him wet; nor does the wind make him dry; He is uncleavable, He cannot be burnt, He can neither be wetted nor dried. He is eternal, all pervading, unchanging and immovable. He is the same forever”.
--(Bhagavad Gita 2-23/24)

When devotees see their Master at old age, they wonder how come such a holy soul ‘suffers’ like this. Actually it is our ignorance that makes us think this way. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Ramana Maharishi ‘’suffered’’ from cancer in the eyes of an ordinary man. But for them,’ it is like casting off worn out garments’. If ink or colour spills on a rich man’s shirt, he is least bothered; he simply wears a new shirt the next minute. But a poor man will react differently. Ramana and Ramakrishna were rich in spiritual wealth, we are poor spiritually. So we see it differently.
Following two stories will illustrate this:


Story of Sadasiva Brahmendra—As told by Paramahamsa Yogananda

“On the way we stopped before a little shrine sacred to the memory of Sadasiva Brahman in whose eighteenth century life story miracles cluster thickly. A larger Sadasiva shrine in Nerur, created by the Raja of Pudukottai, is a pilgrimage spot that has witnessed many divine healings.
Many quaint stories of Sadasiva, a lovable and fully illumined master, are still current among South Indian villagers. Immersed one day in Samadhi on a bank of the Kavery river, Sadasiva was seen to be carried away by a sudden flood. Weeks later he was found buried deep beneath a mound of earth near Kodumudi in Coimbatore District. As the villagers’ shovels struck his body, that saint rose and walked briskly away. (From ‘Autobiography of a Yogi’)


Swami Sivananda adds……….

“More than one hundred and fifty years ago there lived a very famous Yogi-Jnani by name Sadasiva Brahmendra Saraswati in Nerur, near Karur, in the district of Trichinopoly, South India. He is the author of Brahma Sutra Vritti and Atma Vidya Vilas and various other books. He has performed innumerable miracles. One day Sadasiva Brahman who was an Avadhoot entered the zenana (tent) of a Muslim chief naked. The chief was quite enraged at the sage. He cut off one of his arms. Sadasiva Brahman walked away without uttering a word and without showing any sign of pain. The chief was greatly astonished at this strange condition of the sage. He thought that this man must be a Mahatma, a superhuman being. He repented much and followed the sage to apologize. Sadasiva did not even know that his arm was cut off. When the chief narrated to the sage what had happened in the camp, Sadasiva excused the chief and simply touched his maimed arm. Sadasiva Brahman had a fresh arm.

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Picture of Sri Ramana Maharishi

These incidents in the life of this sage should convince everyone that there is a sublime divine life independent of objects and the play of the mind and the senses. The sage was quite unconscious of the world. He did not feel a bit when his arm was cut off. He ought to have been absorbed in the Divine Consciousness and become one with the Divine. Ordinary people yell out even when there is a pin prick on their body. The above incidents in the life of Sadasiva Brahman amply prove the existence of God and a divine, eternal life, where all sorrows melt, all desires are satisfied and where one gets supreme bliss, peace and knowledge” (From the book GOD EXISTS by Swami Sivananda).

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Picture of Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa

Story of Epictetus—As told by Swami Ramdas of Anandashram

There was a Greek philosopher. His name was Epictetus. He was a slave under the Roman Emperor and he was harshly punished by his master even for slight mistakes. He was almost every day beaten by his master. One day, for no fault of Epictetus, the master beat him so severely that his leg broke and he became lame. After some time, a friend of Epictetus, who lived far away, came to see him and finding him limping, asked him how he became lame. Then Epictetus gave a characteristic reply, “I am not lame, but my leg is lame”. His detachment from the body was so perfect that whatever happened to it, he never thought it had anything to do with his real Self.
(From Stories As Told By Swami Ramdas)
 
SadashivaBrahmendra.jpg


Picture of naked Sri Sadasiva Brahmendra

“Weapons do not cleave this self (Atma), fire does not burn him; waters do not make him wet; nor does the wind make him dry; He is uncleavable, He cannot be burnt, He can neither be wetted nor dried. He is eternal, all pervading, unchanging and immovable. He is the same forever”.
--(Bhagavad Gita 2-23/24)

When devotees see their Master at old age, they wonder how come such a holy soul ‘suffers’ like this. Actually it is our ignorance that makes us think this way. Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and Ramana Maharishi ‘’suffered’’ from cancer in the eyes of an ordinary man. But for them,’ it is like casting off worn out garments’. If ink or colour spills on a rich man’s shirt, he is least bothered; he simply wears a new shirt the next minute. But a poor man will react differently. Ramana and Ramakrishna were rich in spiritual wealth, we are poor spiritually. So we see it differently.
Following two stories will illustrate this:


Story of Sadasiva Brahmendra—As told by Paramahamsa Yogananda

“On the way we stopped before a little shrine sacred to the memory of Sadasiva Brahman in whose eighteenth century life story miracles cluster thickly. A larger Sadasiva shrine in Nerur, created by the Raja of Pudukottai, is a pilgrimage spot that has witnessed many divine healings.
Many quaint stories of Sadasiva, a lovable and fully illumined master, are still current among South Indian villagers. Immersed one day in Samadhi on a bank of the Kavery river, Sadasiva was seen to be carried away by a sudden flood. Weeks later he was found buried deep beneath a mound of earth near Kodumudi in Coimbatore District. As the villagers’ shovels struck his body, that saint rose and walked briskly away. (From ‘Autobiography of a Yogi’)


Swami Sivananda adds……….

“More than one hundred and fifty years ago there lived a very famous Yogi-Jnani by name Sadasiva Brahmendra Saraswati in Nerur, near Karur, in the district of Trichinopoly, South India. He is the author of Brahma Sutra Vritti and Atma Vidya Vilas and various other books. He has performed innumerable miracles. One day Sadasiva Brahman who was an Avadhoot entered the zenana (tent) of a Muslim chief naked. The chief was quite enraged at the sage. He cut off one of his arms. Sadasiva Brahman walked away without uttering a word and without showing any sign of pain. The chief was greatly astonished at this strange condition of the sage. He thought that this man must be a Mahatma, a superhuman being. He repented much and followed the sage to apologize. Sadasiva did not even know that his arm was cut off. When the chief narrated to the sage what had happened in the camp, Sadasiva excused the chief and simply touched his maimed arm. Sadasiva Brahman had a fresh arm.

ramana-maharshi.jpg

Picture of Sri Ramana Maharishi

These incidents in the life of this sage should convince everyone that there is a sublime divine life independent of objects and the play of the mind and the senses. The sage was quite unconscious of the world. He did not feel a bit when his arm was cut off. He ought to have been absorbed in the Divine Consciousness and become one with the Divine. Ordinary people yell out even when there is a pin prick on their body. The above incidents in the life of Sadasiva Brahman amply prove the existence of God and a divine, eternal life, where all sorrows melt, all desires are satisfied and where one gets supreme bliss, peace and knowledge” (From the book GOD EXISTS by Swami Sivananda).

rk_paramahamsa.jpg

Picture of Sri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa

Story of Epictetus—As told by Swami Ramdas of Anandashram

There was a Greek philosopher. His name was Epictetus. He was a slave under the Roman Emperor and he was harshly punished by his master even for slight mistakes. He was almost every day beaten by his master. One day, for no fault of Epictetus, the master beat him so severely that his leg broke and he became lame. After some time, a friend of Epictetus, who lived far away, came to see him and finding him limping, asked him how he became lame. Then Epictetus gave a characteristic reply, “I am not lame, but my leg is lame”. His detachment from the body was so perfect that whatever happened to it, he never thought it had anything to do with his real Self.
(From Stories As Told By Swami Ramdas)


There was a man who lived in a country called Israel about 2000 years ago.

He did only Good, He healed the sick, He gave sight to the blind, He made lame walk, He made dumb speak, He made deaf Hear, He comforted the broken hearted, He preached about the Kingdom of God. His own people condemned Him and put Him to the most shameful death by nailing Him on a tree. Even while He was hanging on the tree He prayed to God, 'Father forgive them for they know not what they are doing'.
 
That is correct.But in Palestine or Israel there was only one Jesus. Whether it was Israel or Egypt, there was only one Moses. In Arabia there was only one Mohamed, In china there was one Confucius. But in India every village, every town,every city nay every street had one Mahatma, Sage, Seer, Siddha, Muni or Rishi.

Other saints like St Francis of Assisi or Sufi Muslim saints are very few in number. Some are 'MADE' saints by the Pope. They belong to 'Made in Vatican' brand.
 
London Sir

Born as Human itself is the result of Previous Karma, otherwise these Great Saints would not have been born and they would have merged with Parabramam.

If this suffering is not undergone by them in this birth , probably they had to be born again to under go the same suffering.

This is my humble opinion.
 
London Sir

Unless they feel the pain of suffering, the Karma's effect is not nullified.

Sage Bhrigu curses Maha Vishnu:

There were on-going battles between Devas and Demons. Devas killed several Demons as the latter were disunited, indisciplined and weak. Kavya (wife of sage Bhrigu) gave shelter to the Demons.

Lord Vishnu used the Sudarsana Chakra (Wheel) and cut off Kavya’s head. Sage Bhrigu gave a curse that Vishnu would be born again as a human, since He never cared for the killing of a woman. The curse has a rider also in that birth His wife would be separated.

The significant inner meaning of this situation is that every action will have a reaction and a reflection.



: kamakoti.org

Sage Bhrigu and Thirupathi Sthala Purana:

The same Sage Bhrigu was instrumental on the exit Sri Mahalakshmi who left Vaikuntam and later ends with Srinivasa Kalyanam.

Srinivasa Kalyanam - Page 1 of 51

The Story of Tulasi Devi

The curse of Sarasvati. Sarasvati, Ganga and Laksmi were all, in the beginning, wives of MahaVishnu. The Lord loved all the three equally. But, as part of a pastime to bring about benefits to bhaktas in the material world, one day all the four were sitting together when Ganga sent lustful glances at Vishnu which was immediately noticed by both Sarasvati and Laksmi. Sarasvaii got angry and rising up caught hold of the hair of Ganga and dragged her to the ground. Laksmi then caught hold of Sarasvati to prevent further assault, but Sarasvati then poured all her rage on Laksmi and cursed her to be born as a plant on earth. Ganga devi could not bear this and she cursed Sarasvati to be born as a river on earth. Sarasvati retorted with a curse that Ganga also would be born as a river. When the whole tumult was over, Vishnu called Laksmi to his side and said, "Oh Devi, do not worry. Things have happened as predestined. You go and be born as the daughter of Dharmadhvaja and grow up there.

From there by divine grace you will be transformed into a plant sacred enough to make all the three worlds pure. That plant will be named Tulasi. When you will be thus living as Tulasi, a demon named Sankhachuda with part of my virile strength will be born and he will marry you. Then you can come back to me. The holy river Padmavati will also be another form of your spirit."

http://www.stephen-knapp.com/tulasi_devi_the_sacred_tree.htm
 
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London Sir

Appayya Dikshitar suffered from an unbearable stomach pain. But he did not want to cancel the classes for his students. He was also particular that his teaching should not be compromised because of his pain. So he took some grass and transferred his pain to the grass and taught the students. At the end of the classes, he transferred the pain back to his stomach.

Noticing this, one of his students asked Dikshitar why he did not take a bigger clump of grass and transfer all his pain to it once and for all.

Dikshitar replied that his stomach ache was the result of his past actions. He had to pay for all his acts of omission and commission. So it was only proper that he pay for his karma.

Bhishma prayed that he should face in this janma itself the consequences of all his karma in all his previous births, so that when he departed from this world, he would go to God with a clean account. There would be no deficits to be carried over to another birth; there would be no need for another birth. It takes a lot of courage to speak as Bhishma did.



There is no running away from these consequences.


When all the Gopikas ran out on hearing flute notes played by Lord Krishna , one alone was denied permission by her mother-in-law.
Shocked at this separation from Krishna, she died at once. But the real reason is that her karma meant she had to die then.

Results of karma | The Hindu

These Great Saints Like Ramana Maharishi may not be exhibiting their pain to devotees, but internally unless they feel the pain, thy will be born again to experience it.
 
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