Why do some Non Religious People haunt Religious forums??

[Jaykay767]

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Why do some Non Religious People haunt Religious forums??

Most “religious minded” people come to religious forums to re-connect with their cultures, learn/ re-learn their rituals, traditions, & communicate among similar minded people. They want to learn more about religion, scriptures, traditions, history, culture, etc.., try to be as conservative as possible in their lives & enter into meaningful discussions. All of them believe in our religion, scriptures & want to follow them in their lives to the best of their ability.

On the other hand, some non-religious people come here with the sole purpose to mock our Gods, mock our Rishis, mock our rituals, question our scriptures, mock arranged marriages, keep beating the same issue every now & then etc.. & think Religion is so out of fashion. They come here & repeatedly push the junk western lifestyle, religion doesn’t matter, rituals & scriptures doesn’t matter, etc..

They think the junk vices on which the western society is built is great, they revel in that pleasure & then they mock the religious minded people for having missed out on such great fun. These people keep pushing & pushing the same nonsense year after year, month after month, day after day, in almost every thread here…

They are NOT going to change the views of any of the religious people, so why do these people come to such forums & haunt everyone…?

Is it middle/late age Crisis OR some kind of mental affliction OR influenced by Evil.. OR because they are all messed up by the western lifestyle, they want to drag the others also with them??? – Crab mentality? LOL!!

 

[vgane]

I think there should be a code of conduct for our forum...I agree that non religious people should not be allowed entry...I think it is legally tenable too

 

[tbs]

hi

here some are behaving like CRUSADERS OF RELIGION.....BEHAVING LIKE VEDA PANDIT WITH KUDUMI VAADHYAAR.....religion

is personal choice.....religious person means way of life....here some say...a believer of religion.....THIS IS NOT A HINDU TALIBAN

FORUM....

 

[renuka]

Dear Jaykay,

Thank you for starting and very interesting thread..its going to be real HOT!

Its been sometime since Forum had some Garam Masala.

Ok let me share my personal opinion.

Its really hard to classify a person as Religious and Non Religious so I wonder how you could distinctly divide people into 2 groups without enough evidence.

It just seems to me that anyone who thinks outside the non existent box is branded as Non Religious.

From what it seems to me per your definition Religion seems to equal culture and tradition and anyone who happens to tow the line is called a Believer.

Many proudly proclaim almost in Jihadi tones that they have Bhava and Bhakti but how do we know that is true? Did God give anyone a certificate that their Bhakti and Bhava is authentic?

We can only strive to have Bhakti etc but not be so cock sure to proclaim that we are having Bhakti that others cant dream to have.

How can we be so sure of ourselves? Part of being a Believer is having love for fellow humans and not lash out with hatred,anger and jealousy and be a bigot with zero tolerance for an opposing view.

It just seems to be that these types can not get a grip over the mind and emotions..so how did all their praying help when they fail miserably to even sustain a steady state of mind?

When they cant face truth and admit a lack of understanding they launch a Yuddh!LOL

Also to add opinions may differ as we age or faced with new challenges and environments.

I am one of those who feel that too much out dated non specific rituals or too much adherence to superstitious cultural practices have nothing go to do with being a Believer.

Some people might be Believers without the need for external signs and symptoms..some on the other hand feel highly insecure if they do not adhere to culture/rituals cos they fear their faith in God might not stand the test of time.

Then there are also self proclaimed Believers who strike a transaction with God and keep praying solely for personal gain and yet feel they are entitled to Kailasha,Vaikunta or Brahma Loka.


So far among the Forums I have visited TB forum seems to be a fun filled balanced and progressive forum that has mature and less emotional members who can see both sides of the coin and decide the best for themselves.

From time to time we might disagree with each other and that's a welcome scenario cos it challenges our mind and we might actually gain some insight.

The world is made up of different characters..God did not make a bunch of crash test dummies to sing praises of Him leaving their brains behind.

There are many areas where some of us might be better informed and the rest of us less informed..so what is so wrong just reading some different views..if we do not agree we can always debate in a civil manner.

 

[Jaykay767]

Hi Renuka,

Let me explain.

Religious people are those who believe in our religion,scriptures,& respect our culture & traditions. They may or may not follow all of them in their lives. Non-religious people are those do NOT believe in our religion, scriptures, & do not respect our culture & traditions.

Now coming to your other query, why are you doubting the Bhakti & Bhava of religious people? So what if you have found one or two people who preach but do not follow in reality? It is your assumption, that some are insecure & their faith may not stand the test of time. So what if some keep praying for personal gain?... to each his own…

Nobody is saying they are perfect, so why are you assuming all of these things?. Also I am not saying, one should not disagree.. everyone has a right to disagree, argue their points, & even fight it out…

But some Non-religious people here are obsessed in showing the religion in poor light, disrespect our Rishis, scriptures & mock our customs, etc… in every thread …

As religious people, we always try & help others… Infact, this thread may help the non-religious to go on a personal discovery & find out what is really wrong with them & fix it…

Cheers,

 

[renuka]

Hi Renuka,

Let me explain.

Religious people are those who believe in our religion,scriptures,& respect our culture & traditions. They may or may not follow all of them in their lives. Non-religious people are those do NOT believe in our religion, scriptures, & do not respect our culture & traditions.

Now coming to your other query, why are you doubting the Bhakti & Bhava of religious people? So what if you have found one or two people who preach but do not follow in reality? It is your assumption, that some are insecure & their faith may not stand the test of time. So what if some keep praying for personal gain?... to each his own…

Nobody is saying they are perfect, so why are you assuming all of these things?. Also I am not saying, one should not disagree.. everyone has a right to disagree, argue their points, & even fight it out…

But some Non-religious people here are obsessed in showing the religion in poor light, disrespect our Rishis, scriptures & mock our customs, etc… in every thread …

As religious people, we always try & help others… Infact, this thread may help the non-religious to go on a personal discovery & find out what is really wrong with them & fix it…

Cheers,

Dear Jaykay,

As you said 'To each his own"..that is the best policy ..therefore let 2 groups or more exists.

Believers ,Non Believers or Semi Believer or Semi Non Believer.

Even the Devas always had the Asuras to battle with.

I do not believe in making people tow only one way.

I am sure you enjoy interacting with the so called Non Believers in forum.

BTW you yourself have some bizzare stories about Ramayan is Troy and Seeta having some sort of soft corner for Ravan(I think you did mention that if I am not mistaken).

BTW you had mentioned this in forum long back:

You said :

Lets be clear. Ramayana & Troy (loser version) both originate in Dravidian land. Many dravidian/jain texts speak very postively of Ravana. Illiad is a copy of the "Loser Version of the war from Dravidian Land" !!. Homer copies the dravidian texts that say a great kingdom was destroyed. Because this was & its history goes all the way back to Greece.

Ok Jaykay..fair enough if you think this way which is not accordance with the traditional belief....why do you still want to call yourself religious?

If others defy tradition in a logical manner you label them Non Believers blah blah blah.

So what say you JK?

 

[sarang]

HINDU TALIBAN - a crass mindset. One must understand the history of talibans and their behaviour, say, in the last few decades to understand the terms and comparison. Why no jew is called jew taliban? The freedom hinduism gives should not be misused for self denial, self downfall and self destruction.

Fortunately there is a sizable section of population from all regions, sections, who have understood the nefarious activities to destroy the ancient dharma and civilization from within. Who wins only time can tell.

Crusaders like shankaracharya, shivaji, krishnadevaraya, vivekananda are born to do course corrections and guide people to follow proper path.

It is really amazing to see comments like 'veda pandit and kudumi vathiar behaviour' in a forum which is meant for healthy exchange of views on tambrams; it is a shame people who have no respect for brahmins and sincerely wish to destroy tambrams haunt and write derogatory words.

 

[Jaykay767]

Hi Renuka,

Let me elaborate. In this forum, a few people are obsessed with mocking the religious, disrespecting our culture, traditions, mocking the members, insulting the religious by putting all the hate filled threads from various sources in the internet, indulge in name calling the members based on their religious leanings, equating them to the Taliban etc..

That is not acceptable. All of us can vehemently agree to disagree without resorting to these methods.

As far as my analysis is concerned, that is purely historical & where we come from. Nothing to do with the religion, it is more about where these legends originate from. Religious people have always debated about Karna & his tragic story in the Mahabharata, that does not mean they disrespect our religion.

I worship Lord Rama, Lord Krishna as much as I worship Lord Shiva, Lord Ganesha as a Shaivite Iyer !!!

Cheers,

 

[renuka]

Hi Renuka,

Let me elaborate. In this forum, a few people are obsessed with mocking the religious, disrespecting our culture, traditions, mocking the members, insulting the religious by putting all the hate filled threads from various sources in the internet, indulge in name calling the members based on their religious leanings, equating them to the Taliban etc..

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Dear JK,

In the very same forum we have members lashing out in "Holier Than Thou" tones.

I am not complaining about such members becos they are entitled to their opinion but just like the Holier Than Thou squad is allowed to exist....likewise the polar opposite should be allowed to exist.

As long as Holy exists..Unholy too will exists to complement each other.

So why bother..just sit back and enjoy the best of both worlds and learn to switch modes from Holy to Unholy .

 

[auh]

I hope the OP did not mean to say that this site is a "religious forum" !!!

 

[auh]

I think there should be a code of conduct for our forum...I agree that non religious people should not be allowed entry...I think it is legally tenable too

This is a highly restrictive view, and as owner of the site, Praveen has already clarified that it is only an "online chat corner" where barrring hate messages, any topic under the sun can be discussed (of course, excluding explicit material). Pointing out a logical contradiction or a view point in civil terms does not tantamount to hate, and as such, Gods and Godmen have been discussed too. I presume, from what water has passed under the bridge, that previously, certain individuals / cultists had to kept out of discussion to avoid unnecessary retaliation.

The subject of the OP is going in a path treaded by many in this forum before...

I am sure that the non-participating silent majority would benefit from the open talk in this forum.

 

[prasad1]

I think when a visitor comes to a home as an invited guest, they should not rearrange the furniture in the house they are invited into. The host (Mr. Praveen) has graciously pointed out his mission for the forum. The invited guest (remember you are not paying for his hospitality), if do not agree with his vision should take an exit.

Like Auhji and TBSji said the door is open (to leave) for those who do not subscribe to the goal of the site.
In another thread Auhji correctly explained that introspect ones own POV is not Hate. This is an open forum so that attitude of 'my way or highway' will not work. There are ways to block what you do not want to see. I use it and it saves aggravation.
In TBSji's words:

THIS IS NOT A HINDU TALIBAN FORUM....

This thread should be in

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[CHANDRU1849]

Hi Renuka,

Let me explain.

Religious people are those who believe in our religion,scriptures,& respect our culture & traditions. They may or may not follow all of them in their lives. Non-religious people are those do NOT believe in our religion, scriptures, & do not respect our culture & traditions.
Cheers,

How will you treat a staunch Shaivite and Vaishnavite, who worship only Shiva and Vishnu respectively? Are they religious and are having faith in Hindu scriptures?

 

[Jaykay767]

Chandru – yes, staunch Shaivites & Vaishnavites arereligious people. Some people may follow a part of our religion, which is fine !

 

[Jaykay767]

Now what do we term when non-religious people blatantly disrespect our religion, culture & traditions ??, Bigotry, prejudice or hatred ?

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Chandru – yes, staunch Shaivites & Vaishnavites arereligious people. Some people may follow a part of our religion, which is fine !

The point is if a Shaivite strongly criticizes Vishnu and related puranas and vice versa, does it not tantamount to showing disrespect to part of Hindu Religion?

 

[Jaykay767]

Chandru - My post is more on people who indulge in defiling our religion. for eg, as you can see, in the junk thread on IC/IR marriages, these non-religious people want to bring meat, drinks, smoking etc… into our traditional TB marriages… this is precisely the kind of behavior that I am questioning.

Why do these people feel the need to come & spout such nonsense in religious forums? Will any of these people go to a muslim forum & say, lets bring pork, liquor during the Mehendi ceremony?

 

[tbs]

hi

in this tamilbrahmin forum....how many are following trikala sandhyanandanam....daily OUSPASANAM...DAILY VEDIC

CHANTING WITH KUDUMI....even 1 %of this are doing nothing....then talking about religion/culture....IDHU OORUKKU

THAAN UPADESHAM....ENAKKU ALLA....this is the attitude...so called believers....

 

[a-TB]

hi

in this tamilbrahmin forum....how many are following trikala sandhyanandanam....daily OUSPASANAM...DAILY VEDIC

CHANTING WITH KUDUMI....even 1 %of this are doing nothing....then talking about religion/culture....IDHU OORUKKU

THAAN UPADESHAM....ENAKKU ALLA....this is the attitude...so called believers....

Mr tbs : Nice to read your sane post as well as those of Madam Renuka, Mr Prasad, Mr auh and others who have better idea of what our religion is about.

In most religions, the clueless and perverts through their weight around as spokes persons for their religion. The Taliban and the like do most damage to their religion. The evangelical knuckle heads do the same for their religion. I was hoping Hinduism would be different being respectful to many diverse ideas.

 

[vgane]

hi

in this tamilbrahmin forum....how many are following trikala sandhyanandanam....daily OUSPASANAM...DAILY VEDIC

CHANTING WITH KUDUMI....even 1 %of this are doing nothing....then talking about religion/culture....IDHU OORUKKU

THAAN UPADESHAM....ENAKKU ALLA....this is the attitude...so called believers....

In this forum TB's look forward to topics of discussion that are not irreverent and heresy; posts like eating beef and meat, multiple partners, belittling our Gods and saints is not to be encouraged or allowed...And calling it as a Tamil Brahmin forum will be a misnomer..We can call it then by any other name and not associate with the Brahmin

 

[Jaykay767]

Non religious people in this forum have given up everything about our religion, culture, traditions & indulge in all kinds of vices.

Now they don’t stop with that, they want to point out that the religious people may not be doing Sandhyavandanam, they are not Kudumi Vadhyar etc.. so what if some are not doing Sandhyavandanam daily, they may start doing it after interacting with the other religious folks here. so what if they don’t ?

Why do you bother?. Why should the non-religious bother what rituals the religious follow or not?? Religious people in this forum are not competing to be at the top of the pyramid like the non-religious are in the race to the bottom. You have reached the bottom, so no need to drag the others down as well.

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Religion is Opium "Religion is opium for the people. Religion is a sort of spiritual booze, in which the slaves of capital drown their human image, their demand for a life more or less worthy of a man.

Mor here

Lenin on Religion


Naturally Religion is addictive ! Over indulgence by the addicts leads to brawl over the brew intially grows to jihidi and ulimately to intolerant Taliban. When the Prohibitionsit gets into discussion in any forum, the protogonist will never see any sense in those arguments but see only Bocardi the 'Spirit' of spirituality!

 

[CHANDRU1849]

Freedom of expression, sometimes, brings truth and make the believers more refined.

Most of the Hindu Saints gained prominence only thru debates, questioning etc. At some point of time, this tendency has stopped; may be due to encroachment of Islam and Christianity in Hindu fold.

Critical analysis will help in eliminating the unwanted things from the religion and make it more acceptable. Hindu believers must encourage debates, questioning, logic etc., which will help the religion in the long run.

 

[renuka]

Dear Jaykay,

When one reaches the top he wonders what changes have happened in the bottom.

When one goes subterranean ..one starts to wonder what the surface above him might be like.

The human mind is never stable enough to be contended where ever it is.

So there is nothing really surprising that one might feel they are on top and others are below and vice versa.

One is only at peace when one is neither on top nor below.

How is that possible? That is what Spirituality is all about.

Till this state is experienced no one is religious.

 

[Jaykay767]

Hi Chandru, Renuka Ji,

For the record, my belief is that freedom of speech should be absolute, that there should be no restrictions at all. If you read my OP & subsequent posts, I have not said, we should deny the freedom of expression. I understand other members have mentioned this & I respect their opinions.

Having said this, please tell me how can bringing liquor & meat into a TB ceremony be called as refining our religion or add value to our discussions?

Cheers,