Will religion ever disappear

[auh]

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Dear Sir,

My thought as in my previous reply to you came by only as an offshoot of your reply. It was just a funny musing over the 2 different types of personalities - those that say they do not believe in god but really do, and those that say that believe in god and do not in reality. I did not mean to say you are being hypocritical, I meant any person who behaves in these manners are. Anyway I enjoyed your novel thought. And sorry if my intentions were not clear from my post.

Best regards.

Please dont be apologetic. I was only presenting a view.

Belief can be anything. I had earlier presented a Five God Five Devil theory (to Sravna, I believe) and asked him to repudiate it with valid reasoning.

Tomorrow, you could also come up with a nice philosophy that perhaps strikes a chord with a section of the society. And claim it as the ultimate truth.

Belief is like invisible ink. God is the art that we draw using the ink.

Warm Regards,

 

[sudeshwer]

what a lovely discussion on religion. 'for' and 'against' r must then only real thing will open up. yet I am convinced that one shud have some sort of decipline which y can get only through religion. one need not and shud not be fundamentalist at the same time. religion teaches what all one shud do from the day beginning and its end. I think I have been brought up like that and I am happy. Ms Renuka, dont say military also generates deciplne; it has its own rule - srinivasan

 

[renuka]

what a lovely discussion on religion. 'for' and 'against' r must then only real thing will open up. yet I am convinced that one shud have some sort of decipline which y can get only through religion. one need not and shud not be fundamentalist at the same time. religion teaches what all one shud do from the day beginning and its end. I think I have been brought up like that and I am happy. Ms Renuka, dont say military also generates deciplne; it has its own rule - srinivasan

Dear Sudeshwar,

Discipline is actually enforced and as long as it is present we never know ourselves.

Many people are scared to be without a regiment becos they do not have faith in themselves.

They have been conditioned to think a certain way and follow rules without thinking too hard and end up without knowing their own strength and weakness.

Many are scared to even lose faith in God..why fear?

Sometimes only when we lose something we know its value that we can decide how we want our life to be.

So at times its fine to be without external "discipline" to break free from rules to know what we really value and want in life.

 

[krish44]

I do not know why so much is being made about religion and things like discipline being tied to it.

religion is a crutch for the weak and a reason for irrational and bad decision making

most hide behind religion to justify their bad actions.

most do not realise the freedom one gets by not being religeous

many would not know what to do with that freedom either and come to terms with it.

for many it is part of their life. if it is taken away they would crumble

I am a thick skinned being . being irreligeous and irreverant I am able to be different and see

every thing a bit differently. I love to be myself enjoying my freedom of speech and actions.

of course I fear about rules of forums, society I might breach on account of this attitude. that

makes me a bit wary of rules and regulations.it is a burden sometimes

 

[renuka]

I do not know why so much is being made about religion and things like discipline being tied to it.

religion is a crutch for the weak and a reason for irrational and bad decision making

most hide behind religion to justify their bad actions.

most do not realise the freedom one gets by not being religeous

many would not know what to do with that freedom either and come to terms with it.

for many it is part of their life. if it is taken away they would crumble

I am a thick skinned being . being irreligeous and irreverant I am able to be different and see

every thing a bit differently. I love to be myself enjoying my freedom of speech and actions.

of course I fear about rules of forums, society I might breach on account of this attitude. that

makes me a bit wary of rules and regulations.it is a burden sometimes

Dear Krish ji,

I do not like discipline and formality ..it makes me scared cos I feel trapped by it.

Freedom is still the best..in fact only in freedom we humans actually behave ourselves.

Discipline only encourages misbehavior.

Yes I agree that being Not Religious is the ultimate freedom. One does not have to be an Atheist for this.
Being religious itself has nothing to do with God.

 

[krish44]

Dear Krish ji,

I do not like discipline and formality ..it makes me scared cos I feel trapped by it.

Freedom is still the best..in fact only in freedom we humans actually behave ourselves.

Discipline only encourages misbehavior.

Yes I agree that being Not Religious is the ultimate freedom. One does not have to be an Atheist for this.
Being religious itself has nothing to do with God.

being an atheist, agnostic is a better alternative to believing in God and not being religeous whatever

religeous might mean to you. it might mean God believing with lots of its and buts. this might be a

temporary step before rejection of God itself which requires further experiences for the next step.

it is a process of evolution .lol

 

[renuka]

being an atheist, agnostic is a better alternative to believing in God and not being religeous whatever

religeous might mean to you. it might mean God believing with lots of its and buts. this might be a

temporary step before rejection of God itself which requires further experiences for the next step.

it is a process of evolution .lol

dear Krish ji,

I do not reject the concept of God but I reject the over dominant aspect of religion which insists on discipline of a Draconian kind.

In fact I feel Religion Kills God!

God is dead becos religion wants Him dead.

Only in freedom God is alive.

 

[krish44]

a better alternative is being an agnostic-not really caring whether God exists or not and perhaps choosing a religion where maximum freedom of belief exists. hinduism provides a lot of freedom

to practise religion the way one sees fit and keeping away from what one does not relish. it tolerates a lot of dissent and does not witch hunt or banish who do not conform to its rules and reguations

 

[krish44]

many times over the centuries people have pondered over what is the ideal religion and come out

with a new religion as the existing religions did not fulfill all their needs

Even moghul emperor jalauddin akbar with wives from hindu ,muslim and christian religions felt

the need for a new religion 'Din-e - elahi' incorporating some features of all the three religions.

poor fellow I could see his predicament with three such wives. only except him and his courtiers,no

one followed his religion and it died a natural death

sikhism was an offshoot of hindu.

buddhism and jainism were off shoots which got absorbed in india in hinduism

as avathars of god


in the last century with progress of science and industrial revolution, there needs to be a religion

reflecting changes in human behaviour and need to cope with stresses associated and generated in

society for well being of human race. A God needs to get evolved if necessary keeping in view


these changes and human evolution to cope with a different harsh society where knowledge and


hard work are the main pillars and a new morality with right and and wrong would govern inter

personal relationship and institutions of marriage and cohabitation.some thinkers can evolve


such a religion perhaps. Am I making sense . I do not know.lol

 

[JR]

Those who have fear and adhere too much to rules have no faith in the real sense.

Not necessarily. 'Fear of losing one's faith' is a very valid one. For religion is not seen as an opiate, but as an "active, purposive and transformational instrument to lead man from the mundane to the sublime" to quote from some internet sources. This is the attitude of those who are truly religious AND spiritual, I know many people who fall into this category (of those who pray each day and the reason why they pray). It then becomes that religion and true spirituality is an effort on the part of the man not only to know the divine but to 'better himself' in all ways so that he can ascend to the status of the divine himself. Those who are on the path dislike being told stuff that "praying is only because he/she wants boons", etc, because they know they are not praying for such causes and striving to better oneself is like an exercise then, it 'betters a person'. And just as exercise, one would lose the good habit upon constant association with those not minded similarly, who view praying as 'asking for boons only' or 'for the cowardly' and such, none of which is true of those who pray with sincerity to get better themselves.

 

[renuka]

. 'Fear of losing one's faith' is a very valid one..

Dear JR,

Sometimes to win we have to lose to.

Sometimes we only know the value of something when its gone.

But having once gone that does not mean we can not get it back again..2nd time round the flavor could differ and be just right.

So personally I do not fear losing faith..havent really lost it in the real sense but I surely have altered my perception and direction of faith which paints a new picture daily and I enjoy the art.

 

[renuka]

Am I making sense . I do not know.lol

Sense and sensibility is the greatest delusion....its never works even though its sounds convincing.