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Women Priests To Perform Rituals For The First Time In The History Of Durga Puja In Bengal

mangalam said:
Mani-chennai - As a women I applaud your oath, respect should start from our community which is Tamil brahmins as the name suggests.
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The intelligent good are roped in to the system as scientists, top administrators and managers and so a powerful and seemingly invincible force is created to perpetrate the wishes and desires of those who come to power for utterly selfish benefits. Who are left to fend for themselves are the innocent people whose only purpose and reason for existence seems to vote the selfish people to power
 
The underworld and the shady are natural cohorts of such an establishment reducing the common man as a mere bystander and puppet in the hands of the priveleged.
 
The icing on the cake is the media and social network which has a negative and terrifying impact through the sensationalizing of the brutalities of power.
 
Mani_Chennai said:
Our ancestors elevated women to Devi level , thus did not want them to any more temple priest job. But nothing prevents them, excepting when they have to go through pain for 3 or four days when they are young. After menopause, they can also perform puja. The only trouble is most lazy men will then expect women to do all chores and also compulsorily perform puja. So, either they have to learn puja rules and Mantras or Porri ( சூர்யா போற்றி, சுந்தரா போற்றி.. ஒங்கப்பா ஏன் இதெல்லாம் கூடவா கத்து கொடுக்கலை.. !!) and this will add to their troubles.( But they do perform when necessary. GOD will not reject their prayers as they are also His/Her children. After all, Shiva has half a part as women- Ardha NAreswaran and if you believe it, shows that treat women with respect whatever they do (excepting when they are angry and abusive due to mental stress). But these ladies deserve our appreciation.
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We women are human.
When a women is " raised" to the level of a Devi, thats just another name for controlling how she should behave all over again.

Men are not asked to be Devas hence they get to behave the way they want.

But a women would be expected to be tolerant, all suffering, all forebearing just because she is expected to be a Devi and shoulder the whole world like Atlas!

Give us women a break.
We are HUMAN and we get to be like anyone else and no pressure to conform to male made Devi behavior rules.
 
renuka said:
We women are human.
When a women is " raised" to the level of a Devi, thats just another name for controlling how she should behave all over again.

Men are not asked to be Devas hence they get to behave the way they want.

But a women would be expected to be tolerant, all suffering, all forebearing just because she is expected to be a Devi and shoulder the whole world like Atlas!

Give us women a break.
We are HUMAN and we get to be like anyone else and no pressure to conform to male made Devi behavior rules.
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You are right Renuka. Not all notions are meant for practice because some refer to the ideal and maybe the potential. They should be seen as something that guides us in the right direction and prevent us from going astray. That's the spirit I think the message should be taken.
 
renuka said:
We women are human.
When a women is " raised" to the level of a Devi, thats just another name for controlling how she should behave all over again.

Men are not asked to be Devas hence they get to behave the way they want.

But a women would be expected to be tolerant, all suffering, all forebearing just because she is expected to be a Devi and shoulder the whole world like Atlas!

Give us women a break.
We are HUMAN and we get to be like anyone else and no pressure to conform to male made Devi behavior rules.
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Your modern intrepretation was not my intention, I still worship my mother without expecting her to be my slave and the same with my wife and nieces. Being defensive and misinterpreting just tells, don't share any righ idea. All you said are taking place and that is sad, but if you look from Vedic time and for a long time women were kept in pedastals and were not treated as done. In general, excepting Indira, no one raped (not reported ) in historical time. You also imply( I don't hink so) even Shiva was mistreating Parvathi by controlling her to be his left heart. What a sad day for Parvathi.
 
praveen said:
Please do not bring up this website / website name for your arguments.

This website, it's name or myself have a neutral stance on all discussions that take place.

As explained in several threads before, this website is open to all.

So, do not use this website name for your debates.
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Understood and thanks. No harm intended. Apologies.
 
Mani_Chennai said:
Your modern intrepretation was not my intention, I still worship my mother without expecting her to be my slave and the same with my wife and nieces. Being defensive and misinterpreting just tells, don't share any righ idea. All you said are taking place and that is sad, but if you look from Vedic time and for a long time women were kept in pedastals and were not treated as done. In general, excepting Indira, no one raped (not reported ) in historical time. You also imply( I don't hink so) even Shiva was mistreating Parvathi by controlling her to be his left heart. What a sad day for Parvathi.
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Well said Sir. Divinity is nothing but seeing and displaying perfection. If we see divinity in all we are indeed displaying divinity. But Renuka's point is also well taken as it pragmatic. But my concern is pragmatism should driven by idealism otherwise it becomes rudderless.
 
mangalam said:
I agree, my grandmother who passed away when I was little is said to have ruled the whole clan. When this uneducated paatti said jump everyone would do so. Any young lady in our family displaying strong personality, they would say paatti is reborn.

The kailyuga problem is twofold, one is internet delivering pornography to everyone's finder tips.
While we the old timers are discussing brahmin habits, God only knows what the youth are doing. How I know pornography is a big issue is, when I attended the Parliament of world religions -2015 there was a stall to the shock of everyone called Pornography, discussing how to safeguard people from falling in that pit.
2nd is the shocking way women are portrayed in movies, clothes have shrunk over the years and they are dancing in their underwear. to please whom ? Their barely clad vulgar movements will bring out the base in some.
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Thanks.

But you can not generalize things based on a few families that you have had observed. Poor people do not have internet. Upper middle class and upper class are the one you are talking about. But please remember that while in olden days Indian women reproduced without enjoying sex which releases beneficial harmonies in the body of a women (natures gift), and we never initiated sex education without proving it is harmful. So, internet is the only way. An older gentle man once told me that a 22 year old boy did not know how to have sex and used the belly button as the entry point and the wife had enormous pain. Fortunately one doctor helped him. Ignorance about sex has nothing to do reproduce.

  1. Please do not say that I approve what you have said. But is the progressive nature of things that you are witnessing. Kama Sutra is depicted in many temple Gopurams on the third step. Our ancestors did not scorn on sex, but used judiciously as an instruction for keeping the population growing. Many women urge their daughter in-laws to conceive a boy , when men have an 80+% probability of having more X chromosome resulting in the production of girls. What is hurry ?​
  2. If we initiate proper sex education without telling that it will increase promiscuity, porn will not be the source of learning.​
  3. Parents should compulsorily encourage children to play outside every day and learn arts – music, dance, painting, clay toy making… so that the body of young get tired soon along with learning skills, so that this deviation to porn site could be minimized. But in big cities it will be difficult when both parents are working and devoid of elders to supervise the children.​
  4. Kaliyuga is no way different if you believe it was different in olden days. During Krishna's time Yadavas were intoxicated with prosperity in Dwaraka did most obscene things – drinking, womanizing…. Etc., according to Mahabharata.​
  5. We do not find hones statistics of all the inherent problems in India and make statement based on our perceptions and argue here.​
How did I know? I spend time with my children along with my other duties and they turn to be fine. It is parents who buy cell phones and other toys delegating their supervisory responsibility to these toys. They also believe that children should not suffer as they had suffered when they were young. But fail to understand the rigid standing of our old customs can be suitably modified and adopted to modern times.

But we produce kids now a days before we are mentally and financially ready.

Nothing is going to change by lamenting in this limited forum, but it is a good try.
 
With due respects to all who have tried to make the world a better place and to those who are still trying, it is my belief that it is necessary to be in touch with the prevailing reality. Since the prevailing reality is far from desirable responsible people and people with the necessary resources may think that something has to be done about changing reality.

In present times there is so much of external interference and control over people's life and it is done in a systematic manner with a purpose. People now accept it tacitly. So the focus should equally be on the external aspects also. Both are maya. One veils the truth and the other projects the lie. So not only enlightening the affected but also deterring the culprits is ideal. But right now not sure about the latter though the former route more easily lends itself but with constant influence of the latter makes the task very formidable.
 
Mani_Chennai said:
Your modern intrepretation was not my intention, I still worship my mother without expecting her to be my slave and the same with my wife and nieces. Being defensive and misinterpreting just tells, don't share any righ idea. All you said are taking place and that is sad, but if you look from Vedic time and for a long time women were kept in pedastals and were not treated as done. In general, excepting Indira, no one raped (not reported ) in historical time. You also imply( I don't hink so) even Shiva was mistreating Parvathi by controlling her to be his left heart. What a sad day for Parvathi.
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Its not defensive..its a fact.
When we put anything anyone on a pedestal we fail to recognize that they are human and would have their imperfections and also they would also have areas they need to work on.

No one is talking about mistreating here but all rules are mostly for women.
Men can get away with lots of imperfection.

So to be fair lets put all men on pedestal too..may be we make them GOD.
and we women can say " O Holy Father..Thou art most powerful..I am nothing..so run the world for me and I would be the damsel in distress and you need to save me 24/7"

Then we women can just relax and do nothing and let men do everything.

Just imagine!
Wont it be unfair to shift the entire responsibility to men?

So when we overdo the women= Devi..women are forced to be what they are not.

We are not devis..we are humans.
A Devi is the projection of Brahman.
She is transcendent and is beyond duality.
She wont be imperfect..she wont make mistakes.
She wont have diseases or childbirth or family responsibility etc..

So let a woman be human.
Humanness is a learning curve with comes with imperfections which gets ironed out from life to life.

Its that simple.
 
sravna said:
Renuka I don't see you as a gold member.

Praveen ji are there no more gold members?
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Last year when the ad-free option was launched, I had given a complementary upgrade to few members. Looks like those have expired now.

We do have gold members now.
 

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