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[Yamaka]

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Y Sir,

One can not blame the religions for child labor! Even with the fear of God's punishment if one does evil deeds, the world is full of crimes. What will happen if there is no such fear? To keep the mind focused on the righteous path, we need to pray God and have faith in a religion.

And, sending the kids back to Bihar is not going to solve the problem in any way. Soon after reaching home, they will run away in search of jobs in some other place! The government should provide free education to poor children at least till high school level . They should be trained to have technical skills, so that they can find jobs easily.

When politicians are focused on amassing wealth, how do they find time to think of these children?

Regards,
Raji Ram

Dear Raji:

Most probably, the parents of these kids are financially bankrupt, and they didn't feed them and send them to school (I believe Karnataka, Bihar and TN have laws that force kids to go to school, and mid-day meals are provided following K Kamraj's Mid-day Meal Plans).

I suspect these parents have large mouths to feed... whose fault is to have large families? Who forced them?

I say the Orthodox Religion into which these people are trapped have told them "God gives you more kids.. take them.. HE will provide everything...for HE is the most powerful and compassionate God in this planet" or some such things.

The poor people bought into this "Devin Argument" and they suffer, I hypothesize.

Can you tell me why about 800 million people are trapped under the chokehold of abject poverty, when most are very religious and God fearing, please?

Let's talk about who is responsible for these under aged kids?

God or parents or who?

Cheers.

 

[Yamaka]

Dear Shri.Yamaka,
Why educated and well settled people like yourself and myself have not come forward to remain bachelors(not getting married and thus acquiring a family)and give a sizeable portion of our earnings in feeding and educating such unfortunate children.
Here I am reminded of Mahatma Gandhi(after marrying and getting three or four kids)
asking new entrants to Satyagraha movement to remain as Brahmachari(even married people like Jaya prakash Narayanan,Acharya Kripalani and some others)till India get freedom from the British.

Dear Krish Sir:

What's called Primary Responsibility? Who should bear the responsibility of raising my kids?

Not you.. or the Society... I MUST take the primary responsibility, only my kids are fully orphaned then it goes to my relatives, neighbors or to the Society, as you suggest...

I am willing to provide my share of it any day... but I strongly believe those parents who very ignorantly brought these kids to this wretched world must take full responsibility till they are age 18..

I am responsible for the Salims and Jamals of the world.. perhaps.. the orphans.

Do you know whether these kids are orphans really?

Cheers.

ps. Please tell me why about 800 million people in India are in abject poverty when they are all very God fearing and praying for all day everyday?

 

[Yamaka]

Y, yes, I do blame organized religions of all kinds, the ones that make parents, who know no better because they are kept that way by the leaders of society, to fill their kids with the poison that religion really is.

It is the second part of the above quoted passage I have trouble with. To survive and reproduce is the prime-directive hard-coded in our DNA, rich or poor, Brahmin or Chandala. The way to influence this behavior is through education, not blaming the hapless victims, IMO.

These boys are just a sample. For each one these boys there are tens of thousands of others, if not millions, who are brutally exploited. Not a single one of these boys is any less unfortunate than the hundreds of thousands of innocent Sri Lankan Tamil civilians who were slaughtered by the Sri Lankan army, or the countless Eastern European young women trafficked into sexual slavery in the West, or the Philippine and Indonesian maids in Saudi Arabia, etc., ad nauseam.

If you ask me for answers be prepared to be disappointed, I have none. All I want to say is, this is not right, it makes me sad, very sad.

Dear Nara:

"To survive and reproduce is the prime-directive hard-coded in our DNA, rich or poor, Brahmin or Chandala. The way to influence this behavior is through education, not blaming the hapless victims, IMO. "

I strongly disagree with this very strong assumption... this goes back to the Free Will argument we had before. Parents have the Free Will to decide when and why to have kids.

DNA has no such genes to force the parents to give birth to kids who will be neglected by the parents or abused or ignored by them.

In fact, all primates have the basic intuition to feed and protect the offsprings till they can go and hunt for themselves.

Cheers.

 

[Nara]

...DNA has no such genes to force the parents to give birth to kids who will be neglected by the parents or abused or ignored by them.

Dear Y, DNA doesn't care, all it wants to do is reproduce. Survival is up to the reproduced entity. if we are just animals, like say snakes, we don't have to care what happens to the other members of our species. But we are humans, hard wired to care. Here, the prescient question is not why these kids were born, but why these greedy businessmen won't pay their just wages.

Cheers!

 

[Yamaka]

Dear Y, DNA doesn't care, all it wants to do is reproduce. Survival is up to the reproduced entity. if we are just animals, like say snakes, we don't have to care what happens to the other members of our species. But we are humans, hard wired to care. Here, the prescient question is not why these kids were born, but why these greedy businessmen won't pay their just wages.

Cheers!

Dear N:

1. DNA will replicate (or reproduce) only when the egg receives the DNA from the sperm... modern technology has given very cheap methods to have sex but still avoid the sperm reaching the egg (called condom and many other methods in the name of Family Planning)... the parents can access this technology if they want to... it's available even in small villages in Ramnad.

2. Yes, survival is upto the reproduced entitiy... but as I said before all primates including humans have the basic hard wired entity to care for the young till they are ready to hunt for themselves.. in humans, the society said it's after age 18; till then society said the young should go to school and they will be fed mid-day meals.

3. Yes, these greedy business people must pay JUST wages... here, probably, they did not because of a potential illegality is involved (child labor).

I am trying to find some sort of solution to the situation... not just reading it as another bad news!

IRRESPONSIBLE PARENTS ARE THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE MALADY, HERE, IMO.

All the problems you cited in your other post are real and need SOLUTIONS.

Who will provide them?

 

[Raji Ram]

Dear Raji:

Can you tell me why about 800 million people are trapped under the chokehold of abject poverty, when most are very religious and God fearing, please?

Let's talk about who is responsible for these under aged kids?

God or parents or who?

Cheers.

Dear Y sir,

I think NOT all religions tell people to have any number of kids, since they are God given! More number of kids come into this world because the parents are not literate.

And, you know sir, in our village in TN, guys used to boast that the more number of boys they have, the more money they earn for the family! They seldom think of educating their children and giving them proper food and shelter.

In some villages down south, female new born babies are killed, because they need to be married when they come of age, and marriages are expensive! Disgusting....

With corruption spreading like cancer, even the mid day meal scheme is used for 'making money'!

I remember often the second pancharathna krithi of saint ThyagarAjA,where he
asks 'E dhora koduku brOchurA?' meaning 'son of which'dhorai' will save?'

Who will save? A BIG ?

Regards,
Raji Ram

 

[Nara]

...IRRESPONSIBLE PARENTS ARE THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE MALADY, HERE, IMO.

Y, I hope all caps was for emphasis, not to shout, I hear you. All the same, my considered opinion is, to say the parents are the "root cause" is to blame the victims.

The problem here is poverty and lack of education. Poor and illiterate people see children as revenue producing asset, not that they love their children any less. With education and job opportunities the parents will come to see the benefits of smaller family and also will be astute enough to have a smaller family.

If I go back in my own family, both my parents have 4 to 6 siblings. Now, in my generation, none of my brothers, sisters and cousins have more than two.

In this instance, my blood boiled when I read this news story and my intent was to share the outrage, a kind of venting. I don't have large solutions to social problems, but the unconscionable acts of the greedy businessmen must be severely punished.

Cheers!

 

[C RAVI]

Dear Krish Sir:

ps. Please tell me why about 800 million people in India are in abject poverty when they are all very God fearing and praying for all day everyday?

Because, 800 million such people in India are having their own strategy to live (as per their limited knowledge/understanding) and have hell lots of desires of life as we all do have..And having had such strategy and desires they are very God fearing, thinking GOD will come to their rescue to save them/lift them out of their blue..

The irony is, such parents are least bothered of their children's dream as any other children do have OR they just don't want their children to aspire more and simply live as best as possible....They think, they have given their kids a great opportunity to experience life and their kids should be responsible and take care of their parents who trained them how to walk, talk, eat, sleep and understand what life is.

 

[C RAVI]

Dear Shri.Yamaka,
Why educated and well settled people like yourself and myself have not come forward to remain bachelors(not getting married and thus acquiring a family)and give a sizeable portion of our earnings in feeding and educating such unfortunate children.
Here I am reminded of Mahatma Gandhi(after marrying and getting three or four kids)
asking new entrants to Satyagraha movement to remain as Brahmachari(even married people like Jaya prakash Narayanan,Acharya Kripalani and some others)till India get freedom from the British.

Sri B.Krishnamurthy,

The desire for living with kids and give them the best is of all. Not a single successful and rich person would decide to give up his life desires, remain bachelor and serve the poor.

But as Sri Yamaka said, such successful/educated/rich people can do charity as and when possible and try to change the society for better living. IMO, this can only be a pipe dream..

If politicians really have concern for the poor families, they can well design many good strategies to avoid existance of such 8 million suffering people in India and or elsewhere. But they will not do...Because it's only from these lot, they could get Boys as hired assasins/rowdies/political hatchet men etc.(right from their teen age) AND Girls as prostitutes, for Sex/Escort tourism, body exporting etc..(right from their teen age)

Ironically, a segment in society, below poverty line is a sort of lucrative industry for politicians and many elite groups of the society.

People like us can only feel for such segment of our society and wish for their well being. Hating them, blaming them, taunting them etc can never give us peace of mind, IMO.

 

[ShivKC]

What's the possible "Solution" or "Options" for these boys?

I am sure these boys belong to one of "the 800 million people" I refer to elsewhere


I ask the parents of these innocent, hardworking boys, "Why did you give birth to them in the first place, when you know your family situation is very bad financially?"

"What religion gave you the license to produce so much poverty around?"


1. Either Govt or some Charity must give them good school education and job training so that they can find "reasonable jobs" somewhere.

2. Society must take up an approach to tell the parents, "Stop, No Kids, Now" till you have a stable income to feed and educate the kids.

3. We need to stop the misery from the earliest possible step: Do not produce more poor kids, while the world takes care of the already born poor babies and children.
.

A)Sir, first of all, you have not clarified your own post "ELSEWHERE'..I have clearly listed my objection towards your claim of 'Orthodoxy is cause for poverty'.. Pls go back and refute it, line by line

B)parents do give birth out of joy or motherhood, hoping to take care of them well in future, bring them up bright.. which parent want their children to be doomed?. Its sad to hear from you ""Stop, No Kids, Now" till you have a stable income to feed and educate the kids.""... Sir, i put it simple? do you think the poor Africans/Indians should not have kids, because they cant afford education to their kids? A rag picker of Dharavi shouldnt be getting married and having kids right?

I think you have got confused between the values of Economy,Value for human life & Social Factors... I wish you address my questions posed earlier in detail, so that I can add up this points and address you there in detail.

looks like you are caught up between socialism and capitalism and in the process getting mugged with religion : Cheers

 

[Yamaka]

Y, I hope all caps was for emphasis, not to shout, I hear you. All the same, my considered opinion is, to say the parents are the "root cause" is to blame the victims.

The problem here is poverty and lack of education. Poor and illiterate people see children as revenue producing asset, not that they love their children any less. With education and job opportunities the parents will come to see the benefits of smaller family and also will be astute enough to have a smaller family.

If I go back in my own family, both my parents have 4 to 6 siblings. Now, in my generation, none of my brothers, sisters and cousins have more than two.

In this instance, my blood boiled when I read this news story and my intent was to share the outrage, a kind of venting. I don't have large solutions to social problems, but the unconscionable acts of the greedy businessmen must be severely punished.

Cheers!

Dear Nara:

Para 1: In this present case of the 15 young boys, the issues involved are

Child Labor
Young Boys (aged less than 18)
Unscrupulous Businessmen in Bangalore
Businessmen in Tripore
Law enforcement

The people not in the scene are Parents and/or the Legal Guardians, Forces of Religious Orthodoxy and the Society at large.

In this, I find PARENTS to be the root cause of the issue here. Victims are the poor boys... in a sense their fathers were also once boys born to a poor family and their dads were boys born to a poor family - and the cycle continues... in other words, the poverty is dynastic in one strange and shameful sense.

Finally, I confess that all poor people are VICTIMS in this vicious cycle. What's the way out?

Para 2: I fully agree with you

Para 3: My conclusion is as people are educated and moving away from Orthodox Religious practices, their lives get much much better and prosperity starts blossoming.

Para 4: My blood has been boiling from the movie "Thulabaram", the feeling continues.. and I always look for Solutions... here I must say that senior, well experienced people like yourself, Krish Sir and Sangom Sir must give practical Solutions to such intractable problems.

My slogans here are:

"Stop Child Labor, Now"
"Stop Immoral Businesses, Now"

"Stop. No Child Today if you are poor".

I am willing to carry these placards to any market place, any procession or anywhere people will see and think. We must ignite a revolution of sorts, as Arab Spring is catching fire elsewhere.

Cheers.

 

[Yamaka]

Dear Y sir,

I think NOT all religions tell people to have any number of kids, since they are God given! More number of kids come into this world because the parents are not literate.

And, you know sir, in our village in TN, guys used to boast that the more number of boys they have, the more money they earn for the family! They seldom think of educating their children and giving them proper food and shelter.

In some villages down south, female new born babies are killed, because they need to be married when they come of age, and marriages are expensive! Disgusting....

With corruption spreading like cancer, even the mid day meal scheme is used for 'making money'!

I remember often the second pancharathna krithi of saint ThyagarAjA,where he
asks 'E dhora koduku brOchurA?' meaning 'son of which'dhorai' will save?'

Who will save? A BIG ?

Regards,
Raji Ram

Dear Raji:

1. I have heard the following a lot among poor people with large families:

"Oh, God - the All Knowing. All present and Merciful- you have given me lots of kids..I pray you protect them, give them all they need"

"Oh, Muruga, You Know Everything...Why You Keep Me this Poor. after giving me so many kids?"

"Oh, Allah - the Most Merciful, All Knowing and Omnipresent - give my large family everything I need to live happily"

2. On corruption: I read that all under-developed countries have this problem... among the BRIC - the corruption severity is between Brazil (least corrupt) and China (most corrupt) India is in the middle...people say, corruption is just an indicator of the underlying poverty level..

If the economic growth continues, bottom up, for another 20 years, corruption will recede to the background noise, as it happened in the OECD countries about 80-150 years ago.

Cheers.

ps. I heard a full 65% of the Indians are routinely involved in either GIVING or TAKING bribes daily, because the price inflation is not matching up with wages. Plus pure GREED.

 

[Haridasa Siva]

I agree with the views expressed in post no.32 (by Nara) and post no.35 (by ShivKC). Just because one is orn poor one can not be told not to have kids. If we blame the parents for producing kids, whom do we blame for making the parents poor? Society? Govt? Is it the case of "kidaittavargal eduththuk kondaar; uzhaiththavargal teruvil nindraar"?

Economy is altogether different from human feelings. We can not expect all the poor families to wipe out their family chain just because they happened to be economically poor. We must rather look for ways to lift the poor up. To say that poor people should not have children till we reach economical well being is like admitting people who score more than 90% into an educational institution and boasting good results afterwards. Real test lies in making an average student excel. Same theory applies to social scene.

It is fair to say "stop child labour". But we can not say "stop child".

 

[Brahmanyan]

The problem here is poverty and lack of education. Poor and illiterate people see children as revenue producing asset, not that they love their children any less. With education and job opportunities the

In this instance, my blood boiled when I read this news story and my intent was to share the outrage, a kind of venting. I don't have large solutions to social problems, but the unconscionable acts of the greedy businessmen must be severely punished.

Cheers!

Dear Sri "Nara",
Yesterday I returned home after a day's visit to Madras (Chennai). At Madras Central I saw stream of Blind men and women one after other groping in the compartments to sell all sorts of items from Books to textile items. It is an appalling sight to see the unfortunates trying to earn an honest living. It should be the duty of the Government and the social organizations to provide a decent living to such physically challenged people. Though we find money is shown as spent in the annual Budgets, the results are not seen.,

Well, coming to the subject, Now a days, Bangalore attracts a lot of child labour from Orissa, W.Bengal, Bihar and other northern states. Most of the boys are brought by unscrupulous agents promising jobs and leave them in the hands of greedy businessmen. You must see the conditions of such labour in brick kilns, and construction sites. These people are compelled to work for 16 hours a day. In addition many run away children land in Bangalore every day by rail and other means without the knowledge of their parents. One organisation "Bangalore Oniyavara Seva Coota" , more commonly known as BOSCO is doing a great service in rescuing such children and rehabilitate suitably.
BOSCO - A Bangalore based NGO working for the Children at Risk

A few more similar organisations are also working in Bangalore, they are highly inadequate to solve the problem.

It is my view that poverty and unemployment are the main reasons for youngsters migrating to cities in search of food and decent living. Over population is caused by lack of education and awareness among the poor.

Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[kunjuppu]

It is a paradox that I am not able to understand.

With rise in education, especially female education, the size of the family becomes exponentially small. The phd females that I know, either have no kids or only one.

The rich people I know, who can afford half a dozen, have one or two.

So the only way to reduce overall family size, is education, job opportunities particularly to the female gender. That is what I think.

Otherwise india can attempt to do what china did – 1 child per family. The last time it was tried, was by sanjay Gandhi. I think it was a failure.

 

[Haridasa Siva]

It is a paradox that I am not able to understand.

With rise in education, especially female education, the size of the family becomes exponentially small. The phd females that I know, either have no kids or only one.

The rich people I know, who can afford half a dozen, have one or two.

So the only way to reduce overall family size, is education, job opportunities particularly to the female gender. That is what I think.

Otherwise india can attempt to do what china did – 1 child per family. The last time it was tried, was by sanjay Gandhi. I think it was a failure.

It is because a woman doing P.hd. (no reference to the ones you know) are busy with "education-making"
The rich are busy in "money-making"
The uneducated poor can afford neither and so is busy in "child-making" :sad:

 

[Brahmanyan]

I endorse the reasons given by Sri Kunjuppu for over population in our country. It is a fact that many of the educated young couples have few or no children at all, in spite of their affordability to have a big family. Young Sanjay Gandhi understood the importance of family planning but his crude methods of coercion resulted in resentment and failure. If the Government and Social groups are serious, they should spread the message of family planning with monetary inducements among the poor. They could have used the issue of freebees like Rice and TV s successfully for this purpose.

Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[kunjuppu]

B,

In indira gandhi’s time, the poor village school teacher, if my memory serves right, was also entrusted with the responsibility of progagating FP and had to fulfil quotas of vasectomy and tubectomy.

Sanjay gandhi, apparently had hired goondas, who roamed the villages of U.P. & Bihar, grabbing the men, and vasectomizing them, many still single.

I like the idea of inducements.

But one needs to watch out carefully and put some iron clad rules. No family planning operation (FP) for anyone without 2 babies or such like.

The main reason being, poverty drives many folks to do things which they normally would not do.

I have stories (and these I believe to be true) of people selling their organs. In the tamil movie vaanam one of the protoganist sells her kidneys so that her son can be freed from indentured labour, and pursue schooling. The sad fact is that the child here is about 10 years old, and by law, should not have been working in the first place, per our child labour laws.

The second sad fact, is that even though the doctor pays a few lakhs for the kidney, the poor woman who donated it gets only 40 thousand, the balance being taken by the unscrupulous middle man.

Of course, this was a movie, but I have a gut and sick feeling, that things like this are happening in india. Recently I heard someone in toronto going to india for a kidney transplant. For folks abroad, india appears to be a ready available bazaar for kidneys.

Who knows, what is prevent someone from kidnapping and killing to find a heart for transplant?

 

[C RAVI]

B,

In indira gandhi’s time, the poor village school teacher, if my memory serves right, was also entrusted with the responsibility of progagating FP and had to fulfil quotas of vasectomy and tubectomy.

Sanjay gandhi, apparently had hired goondas, who roamed the villages of U.P. & Bihar, grabbing the men, and vasectomizing them, many still single.

I like the idea of inducements.

But one needs to watch out carefully and put some iron clad rules. No family planning operation (FP) for anyone without 2 babies or such like.

The main reason being, poverty drives many folks to do things which they normally would not do.

I have stories (and these I believe to be true) of people selling their organs. In the tamil movie vaanam one of the protoganist sells her kidneys so that her son can be freed from indentured labour, and pursue schooling. The sad fact is that the child here is about 10 years old, and by law, should not have been working in the first place, per our child labour laws.

The second sad fact, is that even though the doctor pays a few lakhs for the kidney, the poor woman who donated it gets only 40 thousand, the balance being taken by the unscrupulous middle man.

Of course, this was a movie, but I have a gut and sick feeling, that things like this are happening in india. Recently I heard someone in toronto going to india for a kidney transplant. For folks abroad, india appears to be a ready available bazaar for kidneys.

Who knows, what is prevent someone from kidnapping and killing to find a heart for transplant?

You are right Sri Kunjuppu,

There are many cases of Kidney sale in TN, that I had come accross since 2006. Mejority of the kidneys are sold for money to be transplanted, to meet the international demands. And that, most of the customers are from African continent and Middle East.

There are many multi speciality hospitals, serving lots of international patients from these countries and these hospitals are the market place. Medical Tourism has it's contribution a lot.

The irony is, the concern of the money making world that, if poverty and poor people are totally iradicted, than how the business can flourish? The flip side of it is that, if there is no scope of Kidney sale by poors, how patients can be rescued?

 

[kunjuppu]

ravi,

i have a friend, who donated one of his kidneys to his twin brother.

in canada, along with our drivers licence,there is an orgna donor form. i have signed it, andshould i die in an accident, my organs are available for the needed, without permission of my relatives.

so, we can encourage society awareness of the need to donate organs and attempt to fill the gap. still in canada, there is long waiting list for organs, and i have heard of people dying for want of organs. i guess, forthese people, the tempation to come to india is just too much.

when my dad passed away my mummy donated his eyes.

 

[Yamaka]

I agree with the views expressed in post no.32 (by Nara) and post no.35 (by ShivKC). Just because one is orn poor one can not be told not to have kids. If we blame the parents for producing kids, whom do we blame for making the parents poor? Society? Govt? Is it the case of "kidaittavargal eduththuk kondaar; uzhaiththavargal teruvil nindraar"?

Economy is altogether different from human feelings. We can not expect all the poor families to wipe out their family chain just because they happened to be economically poor. We must rather look for ways to lift the poor up. To say that poor people should not have children till we reach economical well being is like admitting people who score more than 90% into an educational institution and boasting good results afterwards. Real test lies in making an average student excel. Same theory applies to social scene.

It is fair to say "stop child labour". But we can not say "stop child".

Dear Hari and others:

My heart has been bleeding since the days of "Thulabaram" - a movie that very eloquently portrayed the evils of poverty; I have been searching for a meaningful SOLUTION ever since.

About two months ago, "Dinamani"'s political satirist drew a cartoon suggesting "3/4 of Indians do not have the luxuries of Tihar jail inmates, like Adimuthu Raja". Tihar spends about Rs. 150 for the "daily luxuries of breakfast, lunch, tea and dinner".

So what he says is about 900 million of Indians (3/4 of 1200 million) are earning less than Rs. 150 a day!

In my calculation, I surmise that 800 million of these 900 million people are under the choke hold of Religious Orthodoxy and they keep having children in spite of poor family income and economics! Because "God Giveth"!

One of my solutions to this deeply entrenched problem is "Stop. No Child Today, if your are poor". In my analysis, unless we stop the population explosion in the poor section of population, India can NEVER catch up with China, our mortal enemy militarily and philosophically...

What you suggest is, just leave the matter AS IS as far as the exploding population at the poor section of the Society is concerned.

Then, what's your SOLUTION, sir?

You may say economic growth... I say it's already happening at a robust clip of 7-9% a year since 1992 - anything more will kick the inflation to top gear!!

I also concede that most of the recent economic benefits accrue to the top 100 million people in India. Because they are well skilled, educated and they control their family size.

What's your SOLUTION to this horrible poverty in India?

Do we want to perpetuate poverty, transferring it generation to generation by large poor families?

"Stop. No Child Today, if you are poor"

Cheers.


ps. I used to hate Chairman Mao for all his Cultural Revolution, Human Rights abuse etc... but their One Child Policy and others have paid rich dividends as far as rural poverty, health and education are concerned. Hence, they are relentlessly marching ahead of India, beware.

 

[kunjuppu]

Man robs bank to get medical care in jail - Yahoo! News

even in the usa where there is no proper healthcare for the poor and unemployed, apparently folks commit crime so that they can go to jail.

to get medical care.

free and adequate.

 

[Haridasa Siva]

Dear Hari and others:


Then, what's your SOLUTION, sir?

You may say economic growth... I say it's already happening at a robust clip of 7-9% a year since 1992 - anything more will kick the inflation to top gear!!

I also concede that most of the recent economic benefits accrue to the top 100 million people in India. Because they are well skilled, educated and they control their family size.

What's your SOLUTION to this horrible poverty in India?

Do we want to perpetuate poverty, transferring it generation to generation by large poor families?

"Stop. No Child Today, if you are poor"

The only pleasure a poor has it to have child (I mean child and not just sex). We can not deprive them of their only pleasure. Our society (comprising of politicians, bureaucrats, businessmen, media persons and the so-caled "common man") has been selfish. There is no value system. As a result, the mighty gets his/her way and the poor are left behind. So, we are all responsible for the poor to be poor. I am financially well. But I still want more and that "more" would only go to me, my children, my family, etc. I am not willing to share it with the poor. I might at most make some charity here and there. If you look at how I got this financial status, it is because I got an opportunity which the poor have not got. Is it their fault? (That is why I quoted the song, "koduttadellam koduttaar avar yaarukkaaga koduttaar?" in my earlier post in this thread). Poor are not poor either because they want to be so or because they are sinners.

Similarly, I am aware of middle class people who are unable to have a child in the normal process. They spend beyond their means to have a child. But they do not want to adopt a poor child. Issue of Mindse - an example of "I, me, my, mine". This has to change.

So, we need a high moral society where people are not greedy, where people are not selfish. Unfortunately in today's world, my suggestion sounds highly theoritical and imaginary. Politicians and Govt. can play a very significant role, if only they wish. But they are busy looting Rs.176000 crores. Why does one need so much money? Aren't they aware of the poor status of a majority of their fellow citizens? Where is the conscience? When a person is denied opportunity, he would resort to crime and that is why crime is increasing all over. It is a world where only the fittest survives.

 

[C RAVI]

Sri Haridasa Siva,

I share your views and your points are very much valid to the human sense, IMHO. Ironically , most of the human senses in today's world are considered just theoritical and imaginary, nothing more.

I am really upset and disheartened from a long time, having realized that how come many humans fail to see the ground reality of human feelings/senses/emotions?

If we are selfish for our well bieng, fine, if we don't want to do charity for more occumulations, fine; but how can we have desires to cheat poors/helpless? How can we consider them as just an Object/Machine, that can be put in order and stop the production process?

This is a major dangerous world and a meagre safe world, in all the aspects, IMO.

 

[Nara]

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