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25% jump in India's suicide rate since 2001

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Dear Prasad ji,

It is low cos help and rehabilitation is available and also church members are very very supportive.
Even out here those who have tried to attempt suicide before are always fully supported by the church emotionally and also financially.

Many church pastors here take up degrees in Psychology and Rehabilitation.

They identify the problem and solve it.

We Hindus have to learn this.

We tend to be over judgmental and this leads to dire consequences.
hi
we never give importance to human psychology....even mental health is very primitive stage....like west...they do

more stress on human emotional feelings...WE LEAVE IT TO GOD.....FATE AND ASTROLOGY... the PTSD SYNDROME....

never discussed in india....
 
hi
we never give importance to human psychology....even mental health is very primitive stage....like west...they do

more stress on human emotional feelings...WE LEAVE IT TO GOD.....FATE AND ASTROLOGY... the PTSD SYNDROME....

never discussed in india....


Rightly said Shri tbs...


India not only has corruption with politicians looting the money, BUT hell lots of social stigmas too.


Committing suicide is gruesome and finding people undergoing such a situation / mental make up is really too disheartening and painful. For us, it can even look that their act of suicide is very much justifiable, considering the situation they had to face. It jolts us terribly when we come across such an incident, thinking about the person's pain with which he/she has to undergo and finally resort to suicide.


In Western countries corruptions are not as much as in India. As well no much or almost Nil social stigmas over their in comparison to that of India. Being a developed nation they have facilitated much for the well being of the people. The life style over their is normal and common among people in society.

When such a life style with craziness is adopted in India, the country which still have culture, tradition, values and discipline along with many other devastating Social Stigmas as well, suicidal tendencies and acts are keep on shooting up.



One thing, let me add Shri.tbs. Like how money minded people are existing in every field of work and misusing the public, there are many misleading astrologers as well. BUT, there are many professional and disciplined astrologers too who all almost perform the act of Psychiatrist to convince and mold the depressed and dejected individuals. Could let them know where they went wrong, why they went wrong, to what extent they are personally responsible or not and how can they still make it up as best as possible, overcome their issues and keep going in life with positive hopes and perceptions, being spiritually inclined to some extent.

Leaving things to God, Fate and Astrology has really worked wonders on many depressed, disappointed, cheated and dejected individuals and have made them strong to survive, carrying the sense of spirituality and righteousness.

There are many such good astrologers who give importance to the psychology of their clients, motivate them and show them the way, leading them close to God, Peace and Simplicity, all without losing the sense of being pragmatic and excelling in life.

 
hi
we never give importance to human psychology....even mental health is very primitive stage....like west...they do

more stress on human emotional feelings...WE LEAVE IT TO GOD.....FATE AND ASTROLOGY... the PTSD SYNDROME....

never discussed in india....

To a great deal it is due to poverty. The ignorance and belief in "fate & astrology" and all other false values fails to diagnose the real problem. Even in USA the suicide rate among students is highest in PIO. The parents expectation and the pressure they put on the immature children is very high. In addition the poor PIO kids have to undergo social pressure because they are constantly comparing themselves against other PIO kids.
 
Frankly speaking if you actually talk to a person who tried to attempt suicide your heart will melt for them.

I sometimes wish the law would be less harsh on an attempted suicide victim.

they die cos they never got help or support.

Doctors cant be lawyers, someone said.

1000 people will hear about 1 suicide death. 1 suicide death will occur in 10 attempted suicide. The law is for the society at large in addition to the individual. If you want to prevent 1 suicide death becoming epidemic, then the law should be harsh i think.
 
Doctors cant be lawyers, someone said.

1000 people will hear about 1 suicide death. 1 suicide death will occur in 10 attempted suicide. The law is for the society at large in addition to the individual. If you want to prevent 1 suicide death becoming epidemic, then the law should be harsh i think.
Dear Sandhyav No law can prevent person from taking his life if he wants . When person is not afraid of taking his life do u think he will get afraid from harsh laws. This stupid law was made by britishers to stop people doing satyagraha during freedom movement & we indians are still hanging with old laws made by britishers. We should be more humans & treat such people more psychologically than by laws.
 
Doctors cant be lawyers, someone said.

1000 people will hear about 1 suicide death. 1 suicide death will occur in 10 attempted suicide. The law is for the society at large in addition to the individual. If you want to prevent 1 suicide death becoming epidemic, then the law should be harsh i think.

Doctors can't be lawyers but I still strongly disagree with making suicide/attempting suicide a crime.

Suicide is not a crime..it is an unheard call for help.
 
Doctors can't be lawyers but I still strongly disagree with making suicide/attempting suicide a crime.

Suicide is not a crime..it is an unheard call for help.
I understand your point.
Jacob "Jack" Kevorkian , commonly known as "Dr. Death", was an American pathologist, euthanasia activist, painter, author, composer and instrumentalist. He is best known for publicly championing a terminal patient's right to die via physician-assisted suicide; he claimed to have assisted at least 130 patients to that end. He famously said, "dying is not a crime".
I sympathies with some suicides.

But in other level it is a defeatist mentality, instead of talking the tuff road they take the easy way out for themselves leaving misery for the family members.
It is also against our theory for exhausting one's karma in this life. So it is morally wrong.

I guess in the end there is nothing "absolutely Wrong". It is a perspective.
 
India

In India, attempted suicide is an offence punishable under Section 309 of the Indian Penal Code. Section 309 reads thus: Attempt to commit suicide. "Whoever attempts to commit suicide and does any act towards the commission of such offence, shall be punished with simple imprisonment for a term which may extend to one year or with fine, or with both."
A Division Bench of the Supreme Court of India in P. Rathinam v. Union of India (AIR 1994 SC 1844) held that the right to live of which Article 21 speaks of can be said to bring in its trail the right not to live a forced life, and therefore, section 309 violates Article 21. This decision was, however, subsequently overruled in Gian Kaur v. State of Punjab (AIR 1996 SC 946) by a Constitution Bench of the Supreme Court, holding that Article 21 could not be construed to include within it the ‘right to die’ as a part of the fundamental right guaranteed therein; therefore, it was ruled that it could not be validly stated that section 309 is violative of Article 21.[SUP][6][/SUP]
In 2008 the Law Commission of India submitted a review to the government to repeal section 309. The Law Commission said "The Supreme Court in Gian Kaur focused on constitutionality of section 309. It did not go into the wisdom of retaining or continuing the same in the statute." The Commission has resolved to recommend to the Government to initiate steps for repeal of the anachronistic law contained in section 309, IPC, which would relieve the distressed of his suffering. In India, suicide is above "world-rate".
Ireland

Attempted suicide is not a criminal offence in Ireland and under Irish law self-harm is not generally seen as a form of attempted suicide. Assisted suicide and euthanasia are, however, illegal.
Netherlands

In the Netherlands, being present and giving moral support during someone's suicide is not a crime; neither is supplying general information on suicide techniques. However, it is a crime to participate in the preparation for or execution of a suicide, including supplying lethal means or instruction in their use. (Physician-assisted suicide may be an exception. See Euthanasia in the Netherlands.)
North Korea

North Korea has a peculiar deterrent for suicides. Although law cannot punish a dead person, in North Korea relatives of a criminal (including a suicide victim) might be penalized, as a form of collective punishment.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]
Russian Federation

In Russia, inciting someone to suicide by threats, cruel treatment, or systematic humiliation is punishable by up to 5 years in prison. (Article 110 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation)
Federal law of Russian Federation no. 139-FZ of 2012-07-28 mentions the possibility to censor information about methods of suicide on the Internet.
Singapore

In Singapore, a person who attempts to commit suicide can be imprisoned for up to one year [SUP][7][/SUP]
United Kingdom

England and Wales

Laws against suicide (and attempted suicide) prevailed in English common law until 1961. English law perceived suicide as an immoral, criminal offence against God and also against the King.[SUP][8][/SUP] It first became illegal in the 13th century.[SUP][9][/SUP] Until 1822, in fact, the possessions of somebody who committed suicide could even be forfeited to the Crown.[SUP][10][/SUP]
Suicide ceased to be a criminal offence with the passing of the Suicide Act 1961; the same Act made it an offence to assist in a suicide. With respect to civil law the simple act of suicide is lawful but the consequences of committing suicide might turn an individual event into an unlawful act, as in the case of Reeves v Commissioners of Police of the Metropolis [2000] 1 AC 360,[SUP][11][/SUP] where a man in police custody hanged himself and was held equally liable with the police (a cell door defect enabled the hanging) for the loss suffered by his widow; the practical effect was to reduce the police damages liability by 50%. In 2009, the House of Lords ruled that the law concerning the treatment of people who accompanied those who committed assisted suicide was unclear, following Debbie Purdy's case that this lack of clarity was a breach of her human rights. (In her case, as a sufferer from multiple sclerosis, she wanted to know whether her husband would be prosecuted for accompanying her abroad where she may eventually wish to commit assisted suicide, if her illness progressed.) As a result, this law is expected to be revised.
Scotland

Suicide directly involving only the deceased person is not by itself a criminal offence under Scots Law and has not been in recent history. However, attempting suicide might be a Breach of the peace if it is not done as a private act; this is routinely reported in the case of persons threatening suicide in areas frequented by the public. The Suicide Act 1961 applies only to England and Wales but under Scots Law a person who assists a suicide might be charged with murder, culpable homicide, or no offence depending upon the facts of each case. Despite not being a criminal offence, consequential liability upon the person attempting suicide (or if successful, his/her estate) might arise under civil law where e.g. it parallels the civil liabilities recognised in the (English Law) Reeves case mentioned above.
 
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Dear Amala we indians have tendency to blame everyone else expect ourself.we didnt even changed our old law which britishers made for us that suicide is crime infact we should be more human to them instead of saying that they did crime by taking there lives. whats use of that law if person is already dead or if he/ she failed in attempt than should we send him to jail because she/he did crime according to law.

Brahinji,

Since you and some others said that suicide attempts are a criminal offence due to the old British laws, I looked up to see if it is still an offence in Britain. Very interesting to note that it is no longer an offence in Britian due to the enactment of the Suicide Act 1961 where they decriminalised the act of suicide. But I guess the ex colonies remain the same. However, assisted suicide (mercy killings/euthanasia) is a crime in Britain.

In Malaysia, I am pretty sure even if not for the old British law of attempted suicide being a crime, definitely Islamically it is a major major offence, so still a criminal offence there, but it is not enforced strictly, as far as I am aware, isn't it Renu?
 
Dear Sarang ji,

We really can not play the blame game and blame the west whenever we fail to rectify a situation in our own home front.

Every society has it's strength and it's weakness.

After all it's the Indian cinema who will show a love failure who commits suicide and the Western cinema who will show a love failure feeling bad for a few days and then find a new love and live happily ever after.


But then again someone might say that the Indian can't love anyone anymore and chose to end his/her life and the westerner does not value love and goes for another.

So either way a Westerner will be blamed!LOL
Shri Sarang says aping the west we are, but there again not honestly. We (born and brought up here) cannot think like the West nor can they do like us. It is the confusion in the transit which plays a role. I am conscious of how we grew and the way today's children grow. The impact is not latent; it is open to uncoloured eyes. The malady is not subcutaneous but deep rooted in the mind. One can only comment but nobody can reverse it. Where Swami Vivekananda failed a new avatar can try perhaps!
 
Shri Sarang says aping the west we are, but there again not honestly. We (born and brought up here) cannot think like the West nor can they do like us. It is the confusion in the transit which plays a role. I am conscious of how we grew and the way today's children grow. The impact is not latent; it is open to uncoloured eyes. The malady is not subcutaneous but deep rooted in the mind. One can only comment but nobody can reverse it. Where Swami Vivekananda failed a new avatar can try perhaps!


Very well said, Shri Iyyarooran...


Coming to the points of suicide -


Every person has his/her own reasons to justify his/her act, unmindful of what would be its repercussions to the people associated with him/her.

These reasoning and justification to protect the interest of the "Self" as fundamental rights and privileges are copied from the west, as "I am not a Child, I am grown well and I know well from the age of 14 and from 18 I have all the rights to indulge in anything the way my brain and heart likes and works", extensively in this present generation,

Even there are many parents who started supporting these attitude as one among the smartest, reasonable, understanding and broad-minded parents, who are even smart enough to mold their children to do what they want BUT with the knowledge of the parents. So that, parents can be prepared to protect the interest of all of them and answer all others.


Only if suicide is brought into legal fold and legally considered as a crime, the society can expect some discipline in the life of an individual and the others in the society who can be influenced by this individual. There should be a sense of fear and respect to live a disciplined life and not to impose negative impacts on others by the self. Not all the people who commit suicide are being tortured, humiliated and unsupported such that they end up committing suicide. There are many reasons to commit suicide and such are the reasons the cause of which are one's craziness, wrong doing with heartless and senseless thoughts/ideas and cruel criminal indulgence.

Due to wrong people many innocent people who end up resorting to suicide as a final resort, unbearable to withstand sufferings and cruelty and end up in failed suicide attempts, are ironically taken into task by standardized legal systems.

 
Cant agree with you more. Legal fold is a very apt word. for all u may know this patient might have a tumor in the brain.
 
Dear Sri. Prasad, Greetings.

....Fifty-three mega cities accounted for 13.5% of the total suicides in the country.

25% jump in India's suicide rate since 2001 - Hindustan Times

South India, in particular Tamil Nadu does not have a support structure to reduce or eradicate suicide attempts. There could be many more suicide cases that were not reported. If sicide attempt and sucide ideations are going to attract prison terms, we may not get too many depressed persons opening up to others although they are in reality screaming for help.

It takes a very depressed and or stressed out mind to consider suicide seriously. when someone commits suicide due to difficulty in repayment of loan ( many farmers in Tamil Nadu fall under this category), that is more of a social pressure than the loan itself. Insolvency attracts a stigma in India. But it doesn't have to. secondly, one would be asked to vacate their dwelling to be auctioned for repayment of loan.

Moreover in India, if there is an attempt, one better succeed or face criminal charges. This is draconian. All I know is, attempt to suicide is a cry for help.

Cheers!
 
hi
love failure suicide is very common in india....very particular in tamil nadu.....love is small part of life....life is not part of love....

love may come many times in life.....suicide is not a solution...its a problem for family members/others....
 
hi
anybody heard abt suicide point in Kodaikanal.....i visited many times when i was working in Kodaikanal....its purely famous

for love failure suicide point.....
 
Even though suicide attempt is a crime, no one has so far been put in jail or fined by any indian court. At least I have not seen any report in the media. This is one of the hundreds of laws which will never be applied. The law will not be repealed either. Will be kept in the statute book and use when the need arises to frame someone.
 
Varsha Bhosle ends her life

"Varsha Bhosle, who tragically ended her life on Monday morning, may be known to the world as singer Asha Bhosle's [ Images ] only daughter, but she had her own identity, of a hugely popular columnist for Rediff.com.She was among the first columnists to start writing for Rediff.com, when she debuted on the fledgling portal with the column Going to Town, where she took exception, in her typical sharp style, to comparisons between New York City and Mumbai"

She wrote some articles soon after the gujarat riot exposing the hypocracy of the media for publishing patent untruth and patent bias. Some quotes from her article: in march 2002. Link for the article is in the end. She was hounded by the mainstream media and psecs for exposing the anti hindu media.

Quotes:

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For "secularists", Muslims always act with good reason, while "retaliation" is what fundamentalist forces, aka Hindus, indulge in. Remember the Radhabai Chawl bake-fest of 1993? This is the country where, while reporting a TADA court's sentencing of the perpetrators of that incident, the ToI felt it necessary to say that the burning alive of 6 Hindus (including a handicapped girl) was "a sequel to the riots which took place in the wake of the demolition of the disputed structure at Ayodhya". Meaning, the burning was "understandable" since the root cause was the Babri demolition. If some set ablaze human beings because a pile of bricks was rearranged, and others killed after humans were roasted alive, guess which of the two groups will be damned forever. Deja vu, all over again. And thus, from March 5 to date, messages about the villainous karsevaks and the abducted Muslim girl have been steadily trickling in.

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"Wade". "Crowds". "Method". "Heavy deployment". These are what I call "fed" reports. That is, an opposition party member must have literally handed out the "report" to our respectable, secular, investigative journalists, who simply rephrased most of it -- but left tell-tale clues, anyway. In this case, guess who the "authoritative sources" can be.
But that's not the end of it. The ToI rehashed the same story a week later and stuck it -- once again -- on the front page, under the title "Political observers smell a rat behind delay in army deployment". However, amidst all those "sources in the government" slamming L K Advani and Modi, guess who was the only "political observer" named in the piece: "Manoj Joshi, strategic editor of The Times of India" hahahahahaha...
Now you know why the Indian press makes my stomach heave. But I admit, the revulsion it evokes is far less than that invoked by readers who swallow this shit.

"When Gujarat was burning, the "secularists" and Communists, instead of marching for peace on the lanes affected by communal violence, marched in Delhi for the dismissal of the state government. While arson and massacres ensued, our editors were busy pontificating on the politics behind police conduct and army deployment -- drilling in "Hindu mobs" and "Muslim victims". These dorks care about the people?! Don't make me laugh; I'll take a Bal Thackeray any day.

Varsha Bhosle

rediff.com: Varsha Bhosle on the Gujarat riots
 
Times of India:
Varsha, a singer and columnist, who was in her mid 50s, had attempted suicide earlier on at least two occasions, they said.
Varsha, who was married to a sports writer, was a divorcee.


It is very difficult to be a child in a successful family. I am sure it puts lot more pressure on the child to be successful. Children often compare themselves to their parents. We do not know all the circumstances. It was a tragedy that she could not cope with her life. She comes from a rich family and I am sure she would have got the best psychiatric help. In spite of that she committed suicide.
It is a shame to use such a pitiable episode. I find it disgusting that such a person is being exploited to advance ones own agenda of "muslim hatred" or so called "hatred of secularist". That too totally irrelevant to the thread.
We can hear the "dog whistle politics".
Dog-whistle politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Attempt to suicide must be decriminalized: Supreme Court
Dhananjay Mahapatra, TNN Mar 8, 2011, 12.43am IST


NEW DELHI: The Supreme Court on Monday observed that time has come to decriminalize attempt to suicide by erasing the punishment provided in Indian Penal Code and asked Parliament to examine it.


"We are of the opinion that although Section 309 of IPC (attempt to suicide) has been held to be constitutionally valid in Gian Kaur's case by Supreme Court, the time has come when it should be deleted by Parliament as it has become anachronistic," said a bench of Justices Markandey Katju and Gyan Sudha Misra while dealing with the issues relating to euthanasia. "A person attempts to suicide in a depression, and hence he needs help, rather than punishment. We therefore recommend to Parliament to consider the feasibility of deleting Section 309 from the Indian Penal Code," said Justice Katju while writing the judgment for the bench.

Times_of_India
 
She has written the article. She is talking about media bias. No wonder psecs as usual read something which is not mentioned and forget that is loudly said. Where is the exploitation?

It is a shame to use such a pitiable episode. I find it disgusting that such a person is being exploited to advance ones own agenda of "muslim hatred" or so called "hatred of secularist". That too totally irrelevant to the thread.
We can hear the "dog whistle politics".
Dog-whistle politics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
She has written the article. She is talking about media bias. No wonder psecs as usual read something which is not mentioned and forget that is loudly said. Where is the exploitation?

The thread is titeled :
25% jump in India's suicide rate since 2001

and to post her writing (which was probably influenced by her garbled mind) is nothing but exploitation.
 
varsha bhosle on sonia

"But what do such trivialities matter? Basically, we simply beg to be ruled. When we weren't ordered by maharajahs, we welcomed their foreign avatars. Later, when the shifting demands of Hitler's Europe made the Raj untenable, we promptly laid the foundations for our own political dynasty by the excessive adoration of a man who cost India the North West Province. And it still continues... When the prime minister of India makes panic visits - not to the head of the state - but to a woman without even a portfolio for an extension of his post, how can one call this country fit for democracy? If a Union Cabinet minister submits to being known as the protege of - not a political thinker or a professor or even a sadhu - but the widow of a dim-witted politician, where can we go but down? No doubt, that's where Nehru's secularism will drag us all."

Rediff On The NeT: Varsha Bhosle thinks Sonia is a cat among the pigeons
 
Calling a diseased person 'garbled mind' is not in good taste.

Perhaps an analysis of her writings will throw light on her personality and compulsion to take such a drastic action.

The thread is titeled :
25% jump in India's suicide rate since 2001

and to post her writing (which was probably influenced by her garbled mind) is nothing but exploitation.
 
"But what do such trivialities matter? Basically, we simply beg to be ruled. When we weren't ordered by maharajahs, we welcomed their foreign avatars. Later, when the shifting demands of Hitler's Europe made the Raj untenable, we promptly laid the foundations for our own political dynasty by the excessive adoration of a man who cost India the North West Province. And it still continues... When the prime minister of India makes panic visits - not to the head of the state - but to a woman without even a portfolio for an extension of his post, how can one call this country fit for democracy? If a Union Cabinet minister submits to being known as the protege of - not a political thinker or a professor or even a sadhu - but the widow of a dim-witted politician, where can we go but down? No doubt, that's where Nehru's secularism will drag us all."

Rediff On The NeT: Varsha Bhosle thinks Sonia is a cat among the pigeons

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If you want to rant about something please start your own thread. Please do not post totally irrelevant post in every thread.
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It is called troll:
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Somebody was shouting from the roof top that the thread starter has no right to impose what is posted in the thread.

Anyway, varsha bhosle is a celebrity, a respected journalist, and a human being. Only a sample of her writings is posted to understand her personality. All my postings have a relation with the topic under discussion. Of course, one who is agitated is free to skip to other sections or start a new thread.
 
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