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[sravna]

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I have over the past 2 years realized that I can cure health problems. I have used that ability on several occasions to accomplish cure for a few major disorders. It is my hypothesis that reality is ultimately a harmonious state and anything in sync with the reality achieves that state. Mind possesses exactly that power to sync with reality through the thoughts.

I consider it a strong possibility that the future can be influenced much more easily than setting right the already existing wrong. It is like saying it is much more easy to prevent a disease than curing it. It is also my belief that not only health but many aspects of life can be influenced constructively ranging from income to relationship to fame etc.

The reason for this post is that I would like to employ this ability in a constructive way and address the many issues that people face in their lives. I am sure that there are members who can employ their own unique abilities and resources for the same purpose. I solicit the participation of members who would be interested in this endeavor and contribute themselves also towards the amelioration of the problems of the society and elevate the quality of life of the people.

I also welcome views of the members for choosing the best way to go about this task both from the point of legal and other pragmatic concerns. I would also like to say that this is a non-profit venture and the sole objective being to put together the resources of people to the overall upliftment of the society.

I hope this post is appropriate for discussion in the general section of the forum. Looking forward to your valuable views.

 

[sangom]

I have over the past 2 years realized that I can cure health problems. I have used that ability on several occasions to accomplish cure for a few major disorders. It is my hypothesis that reality is ultimately a harmonious state and anything in sync with the reality achieves that state. Mind possesses exactly that power to sync with reality through the thoughts.

I consider it a strong possibility that the future can be influenced much more easily than setting right the already existing wrong. It is like saying it is much more easy to prevent a disease than curing it. It is also my belief that not only health but many aspects of life can be influenced constructively ranging from income to relationship to fame etc.

The reason for this post is that I would like to employ this ability in a constructive way and address the many issues that people face in their lives. I am sure that there are members who can employ their own unique abilities and resources for the same purpose. I solicit the participation of members who would be interested in this endeavor and contribute themselves also towards the amelioration of the problems of the society and elevate the quality of life of the people.

I also welcome views of the members for choosing the best way to go about this task both from the point of legal and other pragmatic concerns. I would also like to say that this is a non-profit venture and the sole objective being to put together the resources of people to the overall upliftment of the society.

I hope this post is appropriate for discussion in the general section of the forum. Looking forward to your valuable views.

My dear Sravna,

I appreciate your attitude. Using your ability to cure health problems will have to be done after getting a signed consent letter from the patient. The details and legal aspects may be finalized in consultation with a lawyer.

Only few people will have such or similar capabilities to do service for others. Even if, say, 50 people join and form an organization, I think the task of amelioration of the various problems of the society will be far too gigantic for such a group/organization to tackle effectively. Even then, I wish you all the best in your endeavour.

I hold the view that the problems of the world/society are due to the Karmas with which each living person has been born and the results - whether bitter or sweet - have to be experienced in order to nullify the results of the old karmas. God, religion, worship, parihaaram/praayaschittham etc., will be of no avail in this process; on the contrary all these things create new karmas, new sufferings, new problems. Just as you feel, "prevention is better than cure", in this case also prevention is the best course and not cure of any sort. People have to understand/realize more about Karma, they will have to come out of the opiate influence of religion, and start taking responsibility themselves for all their troubles/sufferings/problems. Then, and only then can any society hope to change for the better. Till such time arrives, this world and humanity will continue to be like what it now is; no amount of individual or group effort will be of any avail. Jesus Christ could not change the world for better, nor could Buddha, Mahavira or Zarathustra or Mohammed Nabi or any other personage change humanity or even a microscopic part thereof into problem-free individuals. Where such revered prophets could not succeed, do you think a few individuals will be able to achieve something more significant? Kindly ponder about this.

 

[sravna]

My dear Sravna,

I appreciate your attitude. Using your ability to cure health problems will have to be done after getting a signed consent letter from the patient. The details and legal aspects may be finalized in consultation with a lawyer.

Only few people will have such or similar capabilities to do service for others. Even if, say, 50 people join and form an organization, I think the task of amelioration of the various problems of the society will be far too gigantic for such a group/organization to tackle effectively. Even then, I wish you all the best in your endeavour.

I hold the view that the problems of the world/society are due to the Karmas with which each living person has been born and the results - whether bitter or sweet - have to be experienced in order to nullify the results of the old karmas. God, religion, worship, parihaaram/praayaschittham etc., will be of no avail in this process; on the contrary all these things create new karmas, new sufferings, new problems. Just as you feel, "prevention is better than cure", in this case also prevention is the best course and not cure of any sort. People have to understand/realize more about Karma, they will have to come out of the opiate influence of religion, and start taking responsibility themselves for all their troubles/sufferings/problems. Then, and only then can any society hope to change for the better. Till such time arrives, this world and humanity will continue to be like what it now is; no amount of individual or group effort will be of any avail. Jesus Christ could not change the world for better, nor could Buddha, Mahavira or Zarathustra or Mohammed Nabi or any other personage change humanity or even a microscopic part thereof into problem-free individuals. Where such revered prophets could not succeed, do you think a few individuals will be able to achieve something more significant? Kindly ponder about this.

Dear Shri Sangom,

Thanks for your kind words.

The reason I thought about this is because we see so much of hard selling of things related to comforts, pleasure and short term happiness that people are deluded in to thinking there is nothing more to quality living than these. They are seeing so much of only one side that I think they need to be exposed to the other side. So it becomes very imperative for people who would like to think they are responsible citizens to do something to counter this surfeit of materialism.

People at least wouldn't just have only one option as a way of living but an alternative path shown by people who genuinely believe in them. The efforts of people like Jesus Christ, Buddha, Mahavira or Mohammed I think would never go waste as they taught timeless principles and always works at the back of the minds of the people. They would surface to the forefront when genuine efforts are made towards that anytime.

I think myself or similar minded people would only consider this as a responsibility you owe to the society when you have certain abilities or resources and as I said efforts made towards inculcating good values never go waste. If there are rebirths they would be assimilated in the future births and if not sometime by people in the future when such values would definitely make sense.

 

[prasad1]

Did Hiranyakaspu try to play God? When we set ourself that lofty position, there is possibility of failing.

 

[renuka]

Aiyooo Sravna,

Lord Krishna also said that a man can only uplift himself..the mind is the friend and also the enemy.

Tell me Sravna..at times I am not even confident if I can handle certain situations..when we are unsure of ourselves do you really think we can handle uplifting society at global scale?

I feel the times tested method if people just to do the best for themselves by aiming to be a good person first and then the rest will fall in place.

Technically even Avatars have not really uplifted Dharma on Ricther Scale but just as a Yada Yada Tada Tada basis!

Now coming to you curing illness..I am really curious to know your method cos out here I am at my wits trying to figure out why my male foreign worker patient's from Tamil Nadu keep complaining that my treatment does not work and they are still sick... but the my male foreign worker patients from Pakistan keep singing praises that only my treatment works for them.

This itself I can't figure out?? So I really wonder what method you use to cure illness..really curious to know.

 

[prasad1]

Aiyooo Sravna,

Lord Krishna also said that a man can only uplift himself..the mind is the friend and also the enemy.

Tell me Sravna..at times I am not even confident if I can handle certain situations..when we are unsure of ourselves do you really think we can handle uplifting society at global scale?

I feel the times tested method if people just to do the best for themselves by aiming to be a good person first and then the rest will fall in place.

Technically even Avatars have not really uplifted Dharma on Ricther Scale but just as a Yada Yada Tada Tada basis!

Now coming to you curing illness..I am really curious to know your method cos out here I am at my wits trying to figure out why my male foreign worker patient's from Tamil Nadu keep complaining that my treatment does not work and they are still sick... but the my male foreign worker patients from Pakistan keep singing praises that only my treatment works for them.

This itself I can't figure out?? So I really wonder what method you use to cure illness..really curious to know.

Pakistani love you, and Indian don't like you!!!!!!!!
Those who do not like you are XXXXX.

 

[vgane]

Post # 1

Dear Shri Sravna,

Is it about stress management through effective breathing techniques....When you inhale full you assume that you are inhaling silence, peace and good health...When you exhale full you assume that all tension, anxiety and diseases go away!

There are certain people who always have some form of heath anxiety (hypochondriacs) ...They are otherwise healthy but try to exaggerate symptoms like head ache or slight back pain due to some stress..We can treat them through proper counseling or cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT)

Not sure if this can work for Cancer/AIDS etc

 

[sangom]

Dear Shri Sangom,

Thanks for your kind words.

The reason I thought about this is because we see so much of hard selling of things related to comforts, pleasure and short term happiness that people are deluded in to thinking there is nothing more to quality living than these. They are seeing so much of only one side that I think they need to be exposed to the other side. So it becomes very imperative for people who would like to think they are responsible citizens to do something to counter this surfeit of materialism.

People at least wouldn't just have only one option as a way of living but an alternative path shown by people who genuinely believe in them. The efforts of people like Jesus Christ, Buddha, Mahavira or Mohammed I think would never go waste as they taught timeless principles and always works at the back of the minds of the people. They would surface to the forefront when genuine efforts are made towards that anytime.

I think myself or similar minded people would only consider this as a responsibility you owe to the society when you have certain abilities or resources and as I said efforts made towards inculcating good values never go waste. If there are rebirths they would be assimilated in the future births and if not sometime by people in the future when such values would definitely make sense.

This may not be very relevant to this topic. Just yesterday I had occasion to discuss the superiority of our old (tabra) ways of living and somehow, the topic of brass, bronze etc., vessels which was a real burden for the womenfolk, was put up by one person. I tried to convince him that copper, an ingredient of brass and bronze, has amazing germicidal & bactericidal properties, so much so that the US Defence department is conducting extensive research on the topic and the VVIP rooms in some of the best-known US hospitals are all having brass/brnze fittings (avoiding plastic and other synthetic non-metallic) fittings which ensures a very high level of germs-free atmosphere!

But we brahmins have been lured by "modern" and have left all those wise ways of living and embraced whole heartedly many undesirable things, including stainless steel which does not kill germs.

It will, however, be difficult to change the views of our society unless and until some US VIP starts using copper and bronze/brass vessels. That is how the mindset of our people is—very good at aping, not much of original views or convictions. In such an atmosphere, ordinary people like yourself may find it impossible to make any headway in improving the lot of others. Like the sage who dispassionately eyed the snake swallowing the frog (to the consternation of his disciple) the best thing will be to view this world dispassionately and allow nature's laws play their due roles with the fate of people and trying to do normal human help to others wherever possible.

 

[sravna]

Post # 1

Dear Shri Sravna,

Is it about stress management through effective breathing techniques....When you inhale full you assume that you are inhaling silence, peace and good health...When you exhale full you assume that all tension, anxiety and diseases go away!

There are certain people who always have some form of heath anxiety (hypochondriacs) ...They are otherwise healthy but try to exaggerate symptoms like head ache or slight back pain due to some stress..We can treat them through proper counseling or cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT)

Not sure if this can work for Cancer/AIDS etc

Dear Shri Vgane ,

It is not psychological only but I think happens at the physical level. In my view the events of the future exists right now but as a spiritual reality. Thus the events of the future are predetermined with the exception it can be influenced spiritually.

The most difficult to influence are the concrete realities and so what has happened is the least changeable. So to answer your question about cancer and AIDS I think it is very much possible to prevent these diseases but more difficult to cure them especially when they have progressed a lot.

Dear Renuka and Shri Sangom,

I really think that the capabilities I have used with success can really benefit others. The best thing that can happen is restoration of the belief that is fast eroding being there is nothing beyond the physical. I think if this belief can be negated , there is definitely a hope that people will tend to believe in the spiritual. I know it is genuine and that is the reason I think it can really alter the perceptions.

 

[prasad1]

Faith healing is founded on the belief that certain people or places have the ability to cure and heal—that someone or something can eliminate disease or heal injuries through a close connection to a higher power. Faith healing can involve prayer, a visit to a religious shrine, or simply a strong belief in a supreme being.
Available scientific evidence does not support claims that faith healing can cure cancer or any other disease. Some scientists suggest that the number of people who attribute their cure to faith healing is lower than the number predicted by calculations based on the historical percentage of spontaneous remissions seen among people with cancer. However, faith healing may promote peace of mind, reduce stress, relieve pain and anxiety, and strengthen the will to live.

According to proponents, there is little that faith healing cannot do. Many religious sects claim faith can cure blindness, deafness, cancer, AIDS, developmental disorders, anemia, arthritis, corns, defective speech, multiple sclerosis, skin rashes, total body paralysis, and various injuries. Certain religious groups, for instance, believe that illness is an illusion that can be healed through prayer, either for oneself or by trained practitioners.

Faith healing is believed to have begun even before the earliest recorded history. In the Bible, both God and holy people are said to have the power to heal. In Medieval times, the Divine Right of Kings was thought to give royalty the ability to heal through touch. Through the years, up to and including the twentieth century, there have been numerous reports of saints performing miracle cures. Today, a number of religious groups practice some form of faith healing.

Relying on this type of treatment alone and avoiding or delaying conventional medical care for cancer may have serious health consequences. Death, disability, and other unwanted outcomes have occurred when faith healing was elected instead of medical care for serious injuries or illnesses.

Faith Healing

 

[P.J.]

srava Sir

your thought of 'helping others' is noble; i have heard about Rekhi healing power, and probably you got similar one, i am not sure.

Please keep your belief and faith and try to help those who are in distress.

My Best wishes to you.

 

[prasad1]

I do not like any human being to play God.
I will leave healing to trained professionals. It is very dangerous to play and mislead people with their life.
I would not want to cause unnecessary hardship to people who trust you. If the trained professional can not help you, you accept your fate. But to save money you try these methods, you are playing with your life.
Mr. Sravna I know you mean well, but you are playing with fire, ultimately it will burn you.

 

[sravna]

Dear Shri Prasad,

I too share your concerns. That is the reason that I am only inclined to use them only if people are left with no other alternatives. If conventional methods can help people it is definitely the right thing to use those methods. I am only talking of the possibility where people have no recourse.

 

[renuka]

Dear Sravna,

I have no idea how you do it but I feel better not to dabble with all these faith healing.

I have seen many faith healers here mess up other people's lives by telling them not to rely on Western medication etc and many people actually ditch their medications and end up in the morgue.

If I were a government official I would make all these faith healers register with the Government and let them have an Annual Practicing Certificate and also allowed them to be sued if anything goes wrong.

I have even had a relative from my husband's side dabble with Reiki and created havoc for her own family and herself.

My advise to you is just leave everything to God and not play God in anyway.

Once a Christian convert person asked me "what happens to your terminal ill patients?"

I replied 'They eventually die"

Then she said "tell them to come see me and I am the vessel through which God speaks and I will cure them"

Then one day when her sister died I asked her "didn't you try to cure her"

She said "she could not be cured cos she refused to accept Jesus and died a Hindu"

So you see Sravna..all these faith healers etc come with Disclaimers ready and eventually end up being nut cases...you seem like a nice guy yaar..why do you want to end up being a nut case.

Just stay focused on God and do good and be good..you are good enough if you ask me.

I know you like the idea of Sattva and if your idea of Sattva is true then read Geeta where Lord Krishna says that the wise do not lament for what they do not have control of.

So if you ask me just do your Dharma for yourself..your family..society..and that is more then enough.

Best guideline is Sathya, Dharma, Shanti, Prema and Ahimsa

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

I do nothing complicated. I just think that the disorder is set right. If it indeed does get cured then I think there is something in the nature that that makes it happen. Can a natural process be harmful? Even so as I said in my post to Shri.Prasad, I am inclined to use it only when people are not left with alternatives.

 

[prasad1]

Dear Renuka,

I do nothing complicated. I just think that the disorder is set right. If it indeed does get cured then I think there is something in the nature that that makes it happen. Can a natural process be harmful? Even so as I said in my post to Shri.Prasad, I am inclined to use it only when people are not left with alternatives.

It makes me a feel better knowing that, you treat or whatever you call as a means of last recourse. Thanks.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

I do nothing complicated. I just think that the disorder is set right. If it indeed does get cured then I think there is something in the nature that that makes it happen. Can a natural process be harmful? Even so as I said in my post to Shri.Prasad, I am inclined to use it only when people are not left with alternatives.

Dear Sravna,

Since you just think and set things right...so that means the pathway for the "curing" thought waves and its mode of action is not known to you.

There are 3 possibilities here:

1)Either the patient was in recovery phase when you 'cured' him/her.

2)Or you feel in your mind that the patient is well.

3)Placebo effect for the patient that they are getting some intervention.

 

[sravna]

Dear Sravna,

Since you just think and set things right...so that means the pathway for the "curing" thought waves and its mode of action is not known to you.

There are 3 possibilities here:

1)Either the patient was in recovery phase when you 'cured' him/her.

2)Or you feel in your mind that the patient is well.

3)Placebo effect for the patient that they are getting some intervention.

Dear Renuka,

It is something that needs to studied seriously and deserves scientific scrutiny.

 

[renuka]

Dear Renuka,

It is something that needs to studied seriously and deserves scientific scrutiny.

Dear Sravna,

Agreed...but till then this ability remains an UNKNOWN phenomenon.

So it is better not to dabble with the unknown cos we have no idea of the effects and side effects and the Karmic links you create with the person you had 'cured' with your thoughts.

 

[sravna]

Dear Renuka,

I understand. One needs to understand the phenomenon more thoroughly.

 

[sangom]

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Dear Renuka and Shri Sangom,

I really think that the capabilities I have used with success can really benefit others. The best thing that can happen is restoration of the belief that is fast eroding being there is nothing beyond the physical. I think if this belief can be negated , there is definitely a hope that people will tend to believe in the spiritual. I know it is genuine and that is the reason I think it can really alter the perceptions.

The "spiritual" that you refer to is an unknown entity. Personally, I think there is no such thing as "spiritual" and even the cures which you have been able to bring about in some cases, may be due to the 'faith' or 'trust' which those patients (if I may refer to them so) have in you. We will find an example of this in small infants crying due to stomach cramps, suddenly stopping (usually, temporarily) when its mother or someone else very close to that infant hugs it.

I do agree that today India is going increasingly towards the physical comforts of life, and that too, of a particular kind. Agricultural lands are being converted into housing, industrial, etc., areas because of the endless resources (money) of the land mafia in the country. The day is not far off when, though we will have eight-lane super highways with approach and exit roads like in the US or UK, we may have to go in for PL-481 especially since food security is now a fundamental right of every citizen !! But the correct solution, according to me, is not to resort to a retrogression into the so-called "spirituality" era or its teachings. Perhaps, a few decades from now, these housing/industrial areas will have to be razed to the ground and reclaimed as agricultural fields, who knows?

The problem is that the governments (both in the centre and the states) forget the age-old wisdom contained in the proverb that a goat should not try/aspire to swallow in one mouthful, as much as an elephant does. Our population density is very high (about 11 times that of the US, and 5 times that of Asia itself) and so we cannot possibly imitate the less populated countries in every aspect. Only by redesigning our priorities to suit the local conditions even within different areas of this country can we hope to achieve a well-integrated development. The alternative is to reduce the population drastically and perhaps there is the easy way to wage wars with our neighbours Pakistan, China, Myanmar and Bangladesh for a starter; I only hope that our government does not choose the latter way!!

 

[Brahmanyan]

Sear Sri "Sravna",

Good that you have started this topic. I for one believe mind plays very important part in shaping a healthy body
and life. Yesterday September,29,2013 was commemorated as "World Heart Day". On this occasion Dr. V Chockalingam presently a visiting senior cardiologist at Apollo Hospitals and Professor Emeritus in Cardiology at
Dr. MGR Medical University, Chennai. explains the relationship of mind and health and how the healthy mind facilitate cardiac health, which in turn translates to improvement in quality of life, in the followinfg DVD available in Youtube:

Mind Your Heart - Dr. V. Chockalingam
Mind Your Heart - Dr. V. Chockalingam - YouTube
Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

 

[renuka]

Sear Sri "Sravna",

Good that you have started this topic. I for one believe mind plays very important part in shaping a healthy body
and life. Yesterday September,29,2013 was commemorated as "World Heart Day". On this occasion Dr. V Chockalingam presently a visiting senior cardiologist at Apollo Hospitals and Professor Emeritus in Cardiology at
Dr. MGR Medical University, Chennai. explains the relationship of mind and health and how the healthy mind facilitate cardiac health, which in turn translates to improvement in quality of life, in the followinfg DVD available in Youtube:

Mind Your Heart - Dr. V. Chockalingam
Mind Your Heart - Dr. V. Chockalingam - YouTube
Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

Dear Sir,

Healthy mind does facilitate anything but it has to be our own mind and our own effort not someone else programming our mind by sending "thought" waves.

Don't you agree?

 

[sravna]

Sear Sri "Sravna",

Good that you have started this topic. I for one believe mind plays very important part in shaping a healthy body
and life. Yesterday September,29,2013 was commemorated as "World Heart Day". On this occasion Dr. V Chockalingam presently a visiting senior cardiologist at Apollo Hospitals and Professor Emeritus in Cardiology at
Dr. MGR Medical University, Chennai. explains the relationship of mind and health and how the healthy mind facilitate cardiac health, which in turn translates to improvement in quality of life, in the followinfg DVD available in Youtube:

Mind Your Heart - Dr. V. Chockalingam
Mind Your Heart - Dr. V. Chockalingam - YouTube
Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.

Dear Shri Brahmanyan Ji,

I agree with you. It is necessary to have an open mind and not be closed to ideas which one himself does not believe in. As you imply there is nothing mysterious about mind influencing one's health. Eventually everyone's minds are interconnected and that I think is the reality which also makes it possible for thoughts to cure health problems. There are skeptics for every idea more so for anything unscientific. I concede that it is healthy but it becomes unhealthy when they are not willing to be objective.

I am really glad that we hold similar views and hope there is a healthy debate on this.

 

[Brahmanyan]

Dear Sir,

Healthy mind does facilitate anything but it has to be our own mind and our own effort not someone else programming our mind by sending "thought" waves.

Don't you agree?[/QUOTE

Dear Doctor,

I fully agree with you. But as you know Mind is a collection of thoughts, If there is no thought there is no mind.
All that we need is Strong will power and positive thinking to avoid such "thought" waves.
How ever,It is for the individual to use his/her discrimination (Viveka) to avoid influenced by outside "programming".
Best Wishes,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.