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A Prime Minister In Peril

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I am aghast at your suggestion. Do you really mean that there should be an internal strife that wipes out 20% of the local population? It is okay if you do not have any suggestions to wipe out the poverty, but I would humbly request you to refrain from posting anything that crosses your mind.

Do you realise what is 20% of 1.3 billion people? Has there been any tragedy whether natural or man-made that has wiped out that number of humans? Would I be wrong in wishing that PIOs who nurture such thoughts are also in that 20% that would be wiped out of the face of the earth? You play the pious saint by sending the URL links to isolated human atrocities and think out aloud here wishing 20% of Indians are eliminated by fight amongst themselves.

You also wish gory head-chopping of corrupt ruling classes (in your thoughts India is in need of it today). Serial reading of your posts leave it in no doubt who you mean here, so I refrain from dwelling on it.

This post of yours is just a "sick post".

I agree with the analysis. That posted must be condemned outright.
Even I am tempted to write something, but I do not know how to express it, without being seen as a personal attack.

And to think, he wants to lobby for being a moderator?
 
india is happy and indians are at peace.all izz well bhai :)

as far as pio,nri,india lovers,indians love you.god bless india & usa only :)
 
I am aghast at your suggestion. Do you really mean that there should be an internal strife that wipes out 20% of the local population? It is okay if you do not have any suggestions to wipe out the poverty, but I would humbly request you to refrain from posting anything that crosses your mind.

Do you realise what is 20% of 1.3 billion people? Has there been any tragedy whether natural or man-made that has wiped out that number of humans? Would I be wrong in wishing that PIOs who nurture such thoughts are also in that 20% that would be wiped out of the face of the earth? You play the pious saint by sending the URL links to isolated human atrocities and think out aloud here wishing 20% of Indians are eliminated by fight amongst themselves.

You also wish gory head-chopping of corrupt ruling classes (in your thoughts India is in need of it today). Serial reading of your posts leave it in no doubt who you mean here, so I refrain from dwelling on it.

This post of yours is just a "sick post".



Mr. K please reconsider your views.
 
I am aghast at your suggestion. Do you really mean that there should be an internal strife that wipes out 20% of the local population? It is okay if you do not have any suggestions to wipe out the poverty, but I would humbly request you to refrain from posting anything that crosses your mind.

Do you realise what is 20% of 1.3 billion people? Has there been any tragedy whether natural or man-made that has wiped out that number of humans? Would I be wrong in wishing that PIOs who nurture such thoughts are also in that 20% that would be wiped out of the face of the earth? You play the pious saint by sending the URL links to isolated human atrocities and think out aloud here wishing 20% of Indians are eliminated by fight amongst themselves.

You also wish gory head-chopping of corrupt ruling classes (in your thoughts India is in need of it today). Serial reading of your posts leave it in no doubt who you mean here, so I refrain from dwelling on it.

This post of yours is just a "sick post".

zebra,

what i wrote is what is called, 'tongue in cheek' humour. there is a level of sarcasm, combined with concern, hopelessness and love in it. i see you missed it.

so from that viewpoint, i think, it is a bad post. because the purpose of the post is to communicate, be understood by the reader, with the same intention as what the writer meant.

you have provided me a feedback, of how you perceived my language, which is quite off base from my intentions.

sorry you got upset.
 
...And to think, he wants to lobby for being a moderator?

not only is this a blatant lie, but i would invoke KRS to pull up this member for casting aspirations on my character. it is an unprovoked personal attack, without any basis.

if at all anything, i have been insisting that it is the last thing i wanted. and how unsuitable i was for the post, which was offered to me in the first place, long before this honourable member cast the shadow of his mugshot here.

did he not read my post on the 'rule of the road'.

^()&(&(*&)(*_*(*&^%$$# :)
 
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Dear Sri Kunjuppu Ji,

More importantly, I saw a country without humor, staid and stodgy the overbearance of the rulers visible everywhere. I do not think that is the model for India.

Regards,
KRS

dear KRS,

please doff off your moderator cap when you read this.

i would presume, from your above statement, which i injudiciously and selfishly selected, and from fellow gentlemen posters here, ours is a happy country, with laughter and sense of humour.

ofcourse, as a kollywood addict, i am familiar with the type of laughter generated by sendhil/gowndamani, vivek or santhanam, though i find the last quoted is incisively sarcastic.

you can imagine my surprise at the reaction to my post #73.

take post #75 for instance, the honourable gentleman appears to condone the malnutrition of our babies where one dies every 15 seconds due to neonatal diseases, yet chose to find offence in my somewhat nonchlant remark about imagining an india with less people. do we not realize, that giving life is one thing, giving quality of life is a more important thing?

Tackling_our_National_Shame_Malnutrition

i too would like to wish away such stuff, but these exist and continue to haunt me.

also, in post #76, i have been accused of casting aspiratiolns on your moderator job. maybe you could please help me out here, and confirm such thing is farthest from the truth. :)

it is good to see such indians and NRIs with their immense sense of humour and laughter. my stomach aches.
 
To the people enamored by china.
300 Chinese Foxconn Workers 'Threaten Mass Suicide' At XBox Plant

300 Chinese Foxconn Workers 'Threaten Mass Suicide' At XBox Plant, Reports Claim

finally, i see that you are seeing the light of the day.

if you sit back, and give this piece of news, some thought, any intelligent person would have reason to worry.

for china, is an internal ruthless state, the rulers never answerable to anyone, cold technocrats, who have a vision for their country, and ruthless go about to beat their set goals. which is indeed frightening.

compared that to any civilized country, where there are public input, environmental impacts and above all public opinion - the chinese leaders if they think, it is in the interest of china, will have no conscience or hesitation, to raze ancestral dwellings of thousands of hundreds of folks, and build a super highway in that place. which they do now. and pay the land owners next to nothing.

which is why there have been suicides, like the ones in the news spot. there is lots of discontent in china, but that does not mean china is weak. one only has to visit china, to get impressed by its edifices.

beijing, the capital, once filled with hutongs, very much like our agraharams; now has a few namesakes, which are tourist attractions. in their places are high rises, which are more in number than new york city. all hutongs were razed ruthlessly with no opposition allowed.

all this one track mind towards achieving goals, through any method, by a country of 1.2 billion people, with a sense of destiny, and who appear to make no mistakes, should get intelligent folks, to worry.

hating china is ok.

but fearing what china might become in 25 years is what is happening in many thoughtful circles around the world. hopefully the quoter of the above post, while maintaining his anti china stance, takes time to look deeper into why people are sitting up all over the world, and many praying, for some major mistake by their ruling clique, so that china self destructs.

this post is meant for china haters to help them think and understand the nature of china's threat to the world. potentially.
 
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Dear Sri Kunjuppu Ji,

I am glad that you have 'selectively' posted my quote above, because it helps me to clarify.

What I meant was, in India our folks, who have been suffering for a long time, seem to have not lost their humanity. In China I noticed various things that defied common human decency - I think as you said, when children are forced to spy against their own parents, it is no wonder the current
generation there is what it is.

But this is not to be taken as me endorsing the real suffering and lack of quality of life in India. Professor Amartya Sen's article illustrates, I think, what we are talking about:
Quality of Life: India vs. China by Amartya Sen | The New York Review of Books

I think sometimes our humor is taken for offense, as I find reactions to my comments. With your facility with expressing with English, I think folks find the humor in your postings more often than not, contrasting to my own feeble attempts at humor.

I think that your attempt at turning the humor on yourself with respect to the Moderation missed the mark. :)

I have not moderated, per your wish.

Regards,
KRS

dear KRS,

please doff off your moderator cap when you read this.

i would presume, from your above statement, which i injudiciously and selfishly selected, and from fellow gentlemen posters here, ours is a happy country, with laughter and sense of humour.

ofcourse, as a kollywood addict, i am familiar with the type of laughter generated by sendhil/gowndamani, vivek or santhanam, though i find the last quoted is incisively sarcastic.

you can imagine my surprise at the reaction to my post #73.

take post #75 for instance, the honourable gentleman appears to condone the malnutrition of our babies where one dies every 15 seconds due to neonatal diseases, yet chose to find offence in my somewhat nonchlant remark about imagining an india with less people. do we not realize, that giving life is one thing, giving quality of life is a more important thing?

Tackling_our_National_Shame_Malnutrition

i too would like to wish away such stuff, but these exist and continue to haunt me.

also, in post #76, i have been accused of casting aspiratiolns on your moderator job. maybe you could please help me out here, and confirm such thing is farthest from the truth. :)

it is good to see such indians and NRIs with their immense sense of humour and laughter. my stomach aches.
 
To the people enamored by china.
300 Chinese Foxconn Workers 'Threaten Mass Suicide' At XBox Plant

300 Chinese Foxconn Workers 'Threaten Mass Suicide' At XBox Plant, Reports Claim

for a poor person these are the priorities:

Source: common sense :)-

1. Water
2. Food
3. Shelter
4. Healthcare
5. safety & security
6. education
7. Respect
8. Freedom
9. Identity

China provides 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
India provides 9, 8, 7

Only if we acknoledge our faults, we will improve. If we go on the false path of India Shining, there will be no progress.

Also this is is not an issue of being enamored by China, but they just are ahead on all the basic human amenities. They smartly combined capitalism & communism, improved the lives of 100s of millions of their people. & we should leverage many of their "development" policies & implement here !!
 
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Indian government has to provide only 1 to 4 for the most deprived - economically and socially. The government and the politicians ensure that money and resources allotted do not reach the needy. Things will improve a lot even if 50% of the corrupt politicians and bureaucrats are punished and their ill gotten gains are confiscated. These politicians are making the common, god fearing and honest folk also corrupt by threats and use of authority.




for a poor person these are the priorities:

Source: common sense :)-

1. Water
2. Food
3. Shelter
4. Healthcare
5. safety & security
6. education
7. Respect
8. Freedom
9. Identity

China provides 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
India provides 9, 8, 7

Only if we acknoledge our faults, we will improve. If we go on the false path of India Shining, there will be no progress.

Also this is is not an issue of being enamored by China, but they just are ahead on all the basic human amenities. They smartly combined capitalism & communism, improved the lives of 100s of millions of their people. & we should leverage many of their "development" policies & implement here !!
 
Sri K,
Your Post #80
In my post #76, I mentioned
And to think, he wants to lobby for being a moderator?
please note the '?' which only provides an element of guess, not authoritative and not even suspicion.
for which in your post # 80, you said
not only is this a blatant lie, but i would invoke KRS to pull up this member for casting aspirations on my character. it is an unprovoked personal attack, without any basis.
why would this be called casting aspirations on your character? I think you are as usual jumping like crazy, and from the reaction it appears to be an anger coming from something being deprived to you. Why not attempt to see a humor in this? Arent you now saying that being a moderator or aspiring for it is injurious to ones character? I did not say that. Nor did I mean it.
And why would you classify as unprovoked when I have used your posts as reference and why is this an attack? Arent you are making all these up?

did he not read my post on the 'rule of the road'.
Yes, I did; and picked up this from there, which I customise it for you here.
You have liberty to (laugh)Yell at me, but I have liberty to be indifferent to (you)it.
Interpretation was mine, but words were yours !!!
 
With so much of heated arguments about China vis-à-vis India, take a look at Amnesty International’s Report, dated 3 March 2007:
http://www.amnesty.org/en/library/info/ASA17/008/2007

The report is about the human cost of the Economic‘Miracle’ in China. For a summary , visit: http://chinaview.wordpress.com/2007/03/04/china-the-human-cost-of-the-economic-miracle/

I am quoting fromthe above:

The millions of migrant labourers who are fuelling China’s economic growth are treated as an urban underclass. Despite recent reforms, they are shut out of the health care system and state education, live in appalling, overcrowded conditions and are routinely exposed to some of the most exploitative working conditions.

“China’s so-called economic ‘miracle’ comes at a terrible human cost — rural migrants living in the cities experience some of the worst abuse in the work place.“They are forced to work long stretches of overtime, often denied time off evenwhen sick, and labour under hazardous conditions for paltry wages.”

“Aswell as being exploited by employers, migrant families face discriminatory governmentregulations in almost every area of daily life. They are denied housingbenefits and health insurance available to permanent urban residents and theirchildren are often effectively shut out of the state education system.”

Thereare estimated to be between 150-200 million rural workers who have moved toChina’s cities in search of work and the number is set to grow in the comingdecade. In some cities they make up the majority of the population.

(Registered)Internal migrants ….face discrimination in housing, education, health care andemployment on the basis of their temporary status. The many who are unable to(register)…. are left with no legal status, making them vulnerable toexploitation by police, landlords, employers and local residents.

“Thecentral government has taken some steps to improve the plight of migrantworkers, but the biggest issue remains entrenched — the hukou (household registration) system continues to discriminateagainst people on the basis of their social origin” …Managers use a variety oftactics to prevent workers resigning. Internal migrants are typically owed backpay, meaning those who quit their job lose at least 2-3 months wages. Employersoften purposefully withhold wages before the lunar new year to ensure workerscome back to their jobs after the festive period — meaning millions of migrantsare unable to buy train tickets home for the holidays. Managers often illegallyforce workers to pay a deposit to prevent them switching jobs. Because of theirinsecure status under the hukou system, internal migrants are not likely tocomplain.

Suchtactics allow managers to deal with the growing labour shortage without havingto raise wages. This helps explain why wages have not risen significantly inresponse to labour shortages, as one would expect under normal marketconditions.

Millionsof children of internal migrants are also affected and struggle to get a decenteducation. In many areas they are effectively shut out of state schools bytheir parents’ lack of local hukou registration, by charges levied exclusivelyon migrants or by high school fees.

China has committed toproviding free primary education, but despite the efforts of the centralgovernment, state schools still charge fees that make primary educationunaffordable, particularly to internal migrants.
 
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for a poor person these are the priorities:

Source: common sense :)-

1. Water
2. Food
3. Shelter
4. Healthcare
5. safety & security
6. education
7. Respect
8. Freedom
9. Identity

China provides 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6
India provides 9, 8, 7

Only if we acknoledge our faults, we will improve. If we go on the false path of India Shining, there will be no progress.

Also this is is not an issue of being enamored by China, but they just are ahead on all the basic human amenities. They smartly combined capitalism & communism, improved the lives of 100s of millions of their people. & we should leverage many of their "development" policies & implement here !!

Only if we acknoledge our faults, we will improve. If we go on the false path of India Shining, there will be no progress.

there are people who have acknowledged these failing are doing something about it, rather than posting in websites and sitting back in their ivory towers.
Please read the thread
[h=1]Is there a living person of Indian origin that the majority respects?[/h]
 
to the china haters and the sane folks here,

being neither a china hater or lover, but looking at china dispassionately, based on what china is today and the figures that come out in publications and the products that come out through its factories

Post war germany and japan, people worked long hours for pittance, so that they were paid less, for what they produced. As a result, the surplus of work effort/moneys went into the national till. Germany recovered within 10 years, and it took about 20 for japan (the first real break for japan came when they bought the transistor technology for usa bell labs for 25 million and made Billions out of it – the first of, in my opinion, of usa xferring highly valuable knowledge either for short term gain of dollars, or inability to produce products for the markets).

China made many blunders under mao – I don’t know if anyone remembers the cultural revolution which is estimated to have killed millions, and upset the social structure of the country, from which it has never recovered. One whole generation did not have education. All the teachers went to clean latrines in the rural areas.

Starting 1980s with den zao ping, china has embarked on a path which is to make the country #1 in 50 years. The vision is there, and surprisingly, the communist party, has provided a continuum without interruption, of achieving this goal.

China has been ruthless, in its path – millions have displaced, ancestral land has been grabbed & paid a pittance, with intermediary cpc officials minting profits on the way, rivers are polluted, cities have permanent smoke cloud cover, migrant workers in millions live in dormitories run by the factories, working long non unionized jobs with minimal regard to safety.

I do not know why anyone cannot acknowledge, that today, china provides food, shelter, clothing, to everyone. No one goes hungry. Medical facilities are available to more people than ever. Voices of dissent against labour exploitation is being heard. All in all, I think, in 30 years, china has zoomed ahead.

The reality today again, due to its huge market, china has leveraged western companies to set up shop in china, if they want to sell in china. Airbus is setting up a factory to build a319/20/21. 100+ years of European aerospace technology is xferred to china, for free. The same engineers who work in those factories, now know the secrets and they will join the state sponsored aircraft factory after gaining experience.

China has stolen technology and has no respect for copyright laws. These are china facts and the whole world is unable to do anything. Once upon a time, there was belief in usa, that if china is admitted to WTO, china will comply re copyrights. That has turned to be a pipe dream. Now usa is discovering that china state sponsors industrial spying.

I am not going to talk about india. Because I do not know how much india govt has delivered to the poor, compared to the Chinese govt. sarang has stated that corruption is what short changes the Indian poor. That still means the Indian poor remain poor, Indian babies die of post natal disease every 15 seconds, while Chinese babies have no such fear and bok choy, once the staple food of the poor, is now a staple food only for animals.

Let us give china its dues regarding development. Does the end justify the means?

I don’t know.

India has enough corruption, which discounts many of the freedoms – when I was young, how many times have I heard, that things were better in the british era – there was honesty in government and buses/trains came on time. Already in the 1950s, the rot had set in, and now so deep in Indian psyche, I simply do not know when and whether there will be any moksham.

Very discouraging.
 
to the china haters and the sane folks here,

I do not know why anyone cannot acknowledge, that today, china provides food, shelter, clothing, to everyone. No one goes hungry. Medical facilities are available to more people than ever. Voices of dissent against labour exploitation is being heard. All in all, I think, in 30 years, china has zoomed ahead.

I am not going to talk about india. Because I do not know how much india govt has delivered to the poor, compared to the Chinese govt. sarang has stated that corruption is what short changes the Indian poor. That still means the Indian poor remain poor, Indian babies die of post natal disease every 15 seconds, while Chinese babies have no such fear and bok choy, once the staple food of the poor, is now a staple food only for animals.

Let us give china its dues regarding development. Does the end justify the means?

I don’t know.

India has enough corruption, which discounts many of the freedoms – when I was young, how many times have I heard, that things were better in the british era – there was honesty in government and buses/trains came on time. Already in the 1950s, the rot had set in, and now so deep in Indian psyche, I simply do not know when and whether there will be any moksham.

Very discouraging.

Dear Kunjuppu,

you are spot on !. There is absolutely NO moksham for the poor in India, they are condemned to a life time of suffering.

My friend works with an NGO & in his words - "to be born poor in india is to be TRULY born in hell".

800+ Mil are in dire poverty, & they are electing criminals, thugs, idiots as politicians becos they give them a saree/lungi + bottle of liquor. for them this is the only way to earn money. so they are happy when elections come & who ever gives the most money, they will vote for them.

so these politicians have ZERO capability to rule this country & they further mess it up. so the Chicken & Egg story continues. There is NO way these people will all get educated in this system & they will NO way vote for honest/upright people becos they will not distribute saree/lungi & bottle !!!

what is even more worse is that after the current crop of politicians disappear, the next PM will come from the stock of - Lalu, Pallu, Maya, Mulayam, Rabdi, Gabdi etc.. becos none of the next gen people like us are getting into politics !! NOW U KNOW THE REAL/LASTING DAMAGE THIS NEHRU FELLOW CAUSED US !!. HE DISMANTLED ALL THE ARISTROCRATS WHO COULD HAVE RULED THIS COUNTRY & ENSURED NONE OF THE EDUCATED CAN EVER COME TO POWER. SO THE NEXT GEN HAS NOT ENTERED POLITICS IN THE LAST 40 YRS & ONCE THE CURRENT OLD GEN POLITICIANS DISAPPEAR, YOU WILL SEE THE REAL DISASTER !!

These fools/thugs/criminals will finally take the country to oblivion & destroy eveything !!!

SO ABSOLUTELY NO MOKSHAM !!! ONLY GOD HAS TO HELP !!
 
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Here is an article published in today's dinamalar.

ஆசியாவிலேயே மிக மோசமானது இந்திய அதிகார முறைமைதான்: ஆய்வு தகவல்

சிங்கப்பூர்: ஆசியாவிலேயே இந்திய அதிகார முறைமை தான் மிக மோசமானது என புதிய ஆய்வில் கண்டறியப்பட்டுள்ளது. மொத்தம் 10 இடங்களில், இந்தியாவுக்கு 9.21 வது இடம் கிடைத்துள்ளது. இப்பட்டியலில், வியட்நாம், பிலிப்பைன்ஸ், சீனா ஆகிய நாடுகள் இந்தியாவை விட முன்னேறியுள்ளன.


ஹாங்காங்கைச் சேர்ந்த ஒரு நிறுவனம், ஆசிய நாடுகளில், எந்த நாட்டில் அதிகார முறைமை சிறந்த முறையில் செயல்படுகிறது, எந்த நாட்டில் மிக மோசமாக செயல்படுகிறது என்பதைக் கண்டறிய சமீபத்தில் ஓர் ஆய்வு நடத்தியது. இதன் படி, மொத்தம் 10 இடங்களில், 2.25 புள்ளிகள் பெற்று சிங்கப்பூர் முன்னணியில் உள்ளது. இதையடுத்து ஹாங்காங், தாய்லாந்து, தைவான், ஜப்பான், தென் கொரியா மற்றும் மலேசியா ஆகிய நாடுகள் இடம் பெற்றுள்ளன. மலேசியாவை அடுத்து, சீனா, பிலிப்பைன்ஸ், இந்தோனேசியா மற்றும் வியட்நாம் ஆகிய நாடுகள் உள்ளன. ஆனால் 9.21 புள்ளிகள் பெற்று இந்தியா கடைசியில் உள்ளது. இதுகுறித்து அந்த ஆய்வறிக்கையில் கூறப்பட்டிருப்பதாவது: இந்தியாவில் உள்ள அதிகார வர்க்கம் அதாவது அதிகாரிகள் திறமை குறைந்தவர்களாக உள்ளனர். இவர்கள் மீது, ஊழல் உள்ளிட்ட மிகப் பெரியளவிலான புகார்கள் கூறப்படுகின்றன. இது இந்தியாவில் முதலீடு செய்ய வரும் அந்நிய நாட்டு நிறுவனங்களுக்கு மிகப் பெரிய தலைவலியாக உள்ளது. குறிப்பாக, இந்திய அதிகார முறைமையில், போதுமான உட்கட்டமைப்பு வசதி இல்லாதது, ஊழல், அதிகாரிகள் லஞ்சத்துக்கு ஆசைப்படுவது போன்றவை பெரும் பிரச்னைகளாக உள்ளன. நிறுவனங்கள் அதிகாரிகளுக்கு லஞ்சம் கொடுப்பதன் மூலம், தங்களுக்கு சாதகமான காரியங்களை நிறைவேற்றிக் கொள்கின்றன. மேலும், இந்தியாவில், தாறுமாறான மற்றும் கடும் சுமையை ஏற்படுத்தக் கூடிய வரிகள், சுற்றுச் சூழல் மற்றும் பிற கட்டுப்பாடுகள் ஆகியவை, அந்நிய நாட்டு நிறுவனங்கள் முதலீடு செய்வதைத் தடுக்கின்றன. இதனால் அந்நிறுவனங்களுக்குப் பெருமளவில் செலவு ஏற்படுகிறது. இந்திய கோர்ட்டுகளுடன் மல்லுக்கட்டுவதை விட அவற்றைத் தவிர்ப்பதையே நிறுவனங்கள் விரும்புகின்றன. தவறான முடிவுகள் எடுக்கப்படும் போது அதற்கு இந்திய அதிகாரிகள் பொறுப்பேற்பதே இல்லை. எப்போதாவதுதான் பொறுப்பு ஏற்கின்றனர். இதனாலேயே பெரும்பாலான அந்நிய நிறுவனங்கள் இந்தியாவில் முதலீடு செய்யத் தயங்குகின்றன. இவ்வாறு அந்த அறிக்கையில் குறிப்பிடப்பட்டுள்ளது.
 
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