Controversial Suggestion...Brahmin-Christian Alliance!

[maruti]

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What's wrong with Brahmins declaring themselves to be a minority community? We indeed are a minority community. Sikhs, Buddhists, and Jains are breaking away from H'ism, and are being treated as minorities. Why can't we break away from H'ism, doing which we obtain similar benefits? This has political advantages, because in a country like India, minority appeasement is extremely important to every political party. Aligning with other minorities will also help, because we'll be one potent force. So why view Christians as a religious community, let's just view them as another minority community like ours, abused and attacked by the majority.

Muslims and other minorities gain worldwide sympathy by playing the Hindu Fundamentalist card. Why can't minority brahmins do the same thing? Do we have to be Hindus in order to be Brahmins? Our religion is Sanatana Dharma, and that has nothing to do with H'ism. Our religion is Brahminism, not H'ism. In short, we are a minority community being oppressed by the majority Hindus. It's on this basis we must launch our crusade.

Alliances with other minorities will fit into this scheme, because we'll then have the following in common:

#1 Common Enemy, Hindus and H'ism

#2 Similar Agenda like reservations, conversions etc.

#3 Brahmins can boycott NB businesses and do business with minorities, provided there's reciprocity.

#4 Manipulate politics and politicians

#5 Christian-controlled media can be used in favor of Brahmins

All this will help Brahmins build their community (which most ppl seem to want without cleverly going into how they're going to build it), but also make us important to politicians and media for the first time. Even if one argues that alliances are not important, we still have to build our community, and that cannot happen without political support.

Everything is political. Without manipulating politicians, nothing can be accomplished. Even if one says 'quick fixes' are not important, we have to develop our community, how can one go about it when politicians are anti-Brahmin? Suppose we want to develop our temples to promote our brahminical culture, how would you do that when govt. controls them? Or, if you want to spread Brahminical literature, again how would you set about it, if the govt. and other NB groups become inimical to this idea? As one can see, every move to "develop Brahmin community" will result in frustration, if we lack political power. And the only way to obtain it is by playing the minority card, and aligning with other minorities, because that way, we can at least influence decisions in our favor, even if we don't directly hold any power.

In conclusion, while I agree there are no shortcuts, and that we have to develop and strengthen our community, even that development can come about only if we adopt the same strategies as do other minorities.

 

[NARAS]

sir - i do not think brahmins can ally with anybody else as a community because brahminism is totally distinct from other faiths,in that here you are required to maintain a veggie diet just to qualify as a member! but i agree that bramins were not hindus,in one sense. the word 'hindu' can never be found in any orthodox scripture. it was a name given to all indians by foreigners. and yes, dravids have more in common with muslims and christians than bramins in some matters. particularly, the eating habits of dravids! they are as bad, or as good as muslims and christians in their diet, and in this basic, elementary issue alone they deviate and drift from brahminism.

 

[mrifan]

Brahmanas are Hindus period

I was expecting these kinds of suggestions to come from an Evangelical or a Sayyid. Brahmanas are Hindus. The Brahmana hatred is primarily from the atheist parties, and that too mostly in TN, primarily with Evangelical help. When even Mayawati, a Dalit in UP, is promising to help Brahmanas in terms of securing quotas for Brahmanas, it would be the height of foolishness, in my opinion, to consider any solution outside the Hindu fold. In the rest of India, this kind of hatred witnessed in TN is very rare.

These suggestions can be forwarded to the Evangelical Ministry in Houston, TX. Due to saturation in the US, new evangelicals are desperately needed, and the prospect of a billion souls is mouthwatering. They are anyway of the opinion that once the Brahmanas are dealt with, the rest of Hindus will be easy to convert. Thus they, and their agents, are all over the web, and in blogs and forums, usually under assumed Hindu names, trying to get Brahmanas to break away from Hinduism. Their tenacity in going after the Brahmanas has to be seen to be believed, using deception, and Hindu rituals to wean away Hindus slowly.

So why view Christians as a religious community, let's just view them as another minority community like ours, abused and attacked by the majority.

Muslims and other minorities gain worldwide sympathy by playing the Hindu Fundamentalist card. Why can't minority brahmins do the same thing? Do we have to be Hindus in order to be Brahmins? Our religion is Sanatana Dharma, and that has nothing to do with H'ism. Our religion is Brahminism, not H'ism.

In short, we are a minority community being oppressed by the majority Hindus. It's on this basis we must launch our crusade.

Alliances with other minorities will fit into this scheme, because we'll then have the following in common:

#1 Common Enemy, Hindus and H'ism

#2 Similar Agenda like reservations, conversions etc.

#3 Brahmins can boycott NB businesses and do business with minorities, provided there's reciprocity.

#4 Manipulate politics and politicians

#5 Christian-controlled media can be used in favor of Brahmins

All this will help Brahmins build their community (which most ppl seem to want without cleverly going into how they're going to build it), but also make us important to politicians and media for the first time. Even if one argues that alliances are not important, we still have to build our community, and that cannot happen without political support.

Everything is political. Without manipulating politicians, nothing can be accomplished. Even if one says 'quick fixes' are not important, we have to develop our community, how can one go about it when politicians are anti-Brahmin? Suppose we want to develop our temples to promote our brahminical culture, how would you do that when govt. controls them? Or, if you want to spread Brahminical literature, again how would you set about it, if the govt. and other NB groups become inimical to this idea? As one can see, every move to "develop Brahmin community" will result in frustration, if we lack political power. And the only way to obtain it is by playing the minority card, and aligning with other minorities, because that way, we can at least influence decisions in our favor, even if we don't directly hold any power.

In conclusion, while I agree there are no shortcuts, and that we have to develop and strengthen our community, even that development can come about only if we adopt the same strategies as do other minorities.

 

[NARAS]

SIR- an interesting point which i forget to mention in my previous posting. though brahmins are distinct from all other categories in the world, all the values of brahminism are totally universal. like vegeteranism for example. in contrast, 'values' of islam (butchering animals, having 4 wives etc.) & christianity ( 'virgin' mother theory, evangelising etc.,) are totally restrictive and exclusive and certainly in no way universal.

 

[kashyap]

I was expecting these kinds of suggestions to come from an Evangelical or a Sayyid. . They are anyway of the opinion that once the Brahmanas are dealt with, the rest of Hindus will be easy to convert. Thus they, and their agents, are all over the web, and in blogs and forums, usually under assumed Hindu names, trying to get Brahmanas to break away from Hinduism. Their tenacity in going after the Brahmanas has to be seen to be believed, using deception, and Hindu rituals to wean away Hindus slowly.

I totally agree with mrifan. Our community members in this forum must be aware that since anyone can become a member here, there is a potential for misuse by such people with anti-brahmin agenda.
Many of those assume pseudonyms to cheat people. They acquire some knwoledge about brahminical ideas such as gayatri japa , sacred thread , sayings of paramcharya etc etc from their unsuspecting brahmin classmates or colleagues or friends and pass of that as their own knowledge here in the forum to make people here believe that they are genuine.

They either do it for promoting their community interests or to divide and destroy brahmins. Some people use sites like this as a dating site even or use this to gain some other personal benefits.

Needless to say , our members need to be aware of these and be watchful ever.
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