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This thread made me think of my own impending mortality, even though it is presently highly exaggerated. Pardon me for sounding kind of macabre, I hope my dead body is disposed off in the most environmentally friendly way. May be covered in a clean sheet and deposited in the ground -- fodder for the maggots, and then go home and have a party. Parsis have a good system, recycle the body I say, some good out of a measly life.

My dear and near ones can remember me whenever the thought occurs, no need for any annual ritual. That is what I would like to happen when I am no more ......

Dear Nara,

Every one these days have similar wishes and even leave necessary instructions with their children about their wishes. Usually a TB as per the religious practice prefers his body to be burnt in a sort of yajna done by his children in which his body becomes the havish. I personally would prefer burning the body to burying it because the place where it is buried becomes a place holy for the children if they hold me in reverence. I would like to be just forgotten. Maggots will eat other things for their survival. But you are an atheist and may not believe in the principle of a yajna. So it is okay for you. Certainly not for me.

Some one here has interpreted this as negative, depressive thought. I do not know why. I am reminded of the poem "Is there a man with soul so dead........" which I read in my 8th class.
 
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Dear Nara,

Every one these days have similar wishes and even leave necessary instructions with their children about their wishes. Usually a TB as per the religious practice prefers his body to be burnt in a sort of yajna done by his children in which his body becomes the havish. I personally would prefer burning the body to burying it because the place where it is buried becomes a place holy for the children if they hold me in reverence. I would like to be just forgotten. Maggots will eat other things for their survival. But you are an atheist and may not believe in the principle of a yajna. So it is okay for you. Certainly not for me.

Some one here has interpreted this as negative, depressive thought. I do not know why. I am reminded of the poem "Is there a man with soul so dead........" which I read in my 8th class.

Burial is a worse practice compared to burning. In Ponnani, a muslim center, all wells have become unfit for drinking because the waters have got polluted beyond any redemption because of the sprawling muslim burial grounds and the sandy seashore kind of earth there. This was so even 40 years ago.

The Japanese have, I am told, started cremation because they have no lands for burial.
 
There are inconsiderate people every where, even in the community of vettiyaan. Brahmin Samoohams at various places take up these jobs for the first day rites. These days every thing is costly. Fire wood/diesel or electricity. A family of 4 needs minimum 500 rupees and a purohit should be happy getting that much amount in a DAY totally. However, if the purohit wants to invest in the best NASDAQ companies to become eligible to contest in any upcoming US elections. He should give up this profession and seek white collar ways. All the seers and heads of mutt cry hoarse to preserve the culture but their own reps (purohits) try to wean away the followers of our culture. If a dead soul is going to RIP or not, those squeezing money from poor people, Brahmin or Not, will be reborn as "pariaah" and wander this earth as starving skeletons with parched throat. Most of the purohits are the greediest human beings. I have reason to believe the mutts do not rely on "Aachaarya Sambhavana".The rites were practised for two purposes: to compel the 'karta" to faithfully revere the dead and at the same time feed the starving Brahmin (good soul). It is very unfortunate these tribes are becoming the worst examples of average human being. In fact, they are trying to write a despicable anti-theses about Brahmin. Every body announces a price/rate rise, but this lot thinks you have to give him on demand. If this is the case, who will be those 4 Brahmins representing 4 Vedas to remain steady in the South at the end of this Yuga. All said and done, I will be the last person to believe this community is decaying.
 
i think the way we want to dispose of our bodies after death is more a cultural thing. whether we believe or not.

we had a atheist muslim member here, i forget his name. he mentioned that he wanted his body wrapped in a white sheet and dropped in a 6 foot grave, sans any ceremony.

around 1974, when i was new to canada, a similar discussion came up in our class. true enough, most of the whites, the muslims opted for burial. the hindus for cremation. a few whites opted for cremation, the ashes in an urn to be buried in the family plot.
 
i think the way we want to dispose of our bodies after death is more a cultural thing. whether we believe or not.

we had a atheist muslim member here, i forget his name. he mentioned that he wanted his body wrapped in a white sheet and dropped in a 6 foot grave, sans any ceremony.

around 1974, when i was new to canada, a similar discussion came up in our class. true enough, most of the whites, the muslims opted for burial. the hindus for cremation. a few whites opted for cremation, the ashes in an urn to be buried in the family plot.

A corpse is very much a bio-degradable garbage, just like our daily waste from vegetables. The latter we dispose of without any problems because it (the vegetable waste) does not mean to us any personality attached to it. But the former, a dead body of a human becomes a problem because religion and the personality which was attached to that body for a long time matters there very much. Even the hindu scriptures advise (lay down) burial of the bodies of infants; burial is ruled out.

The rigvedic people seem to have not believed in rebirth but an eternal life in another world - pitruloka - for all adults who had the stipulated vedic samskaras performed while alive. Subsequently, hinduism got mingled with the concepts of transmigration & poorva janma karma, somehow. Hence, if there is an inner personality or soul (Atmaa) which throws off one body, like a garment worn, and gets into a new one, then there need be as much importance given to the old body as we would give an old dhoti, shirt, etc., of ours. But religion is completely ignorant of what exactly happens at death, and it seems to me that even the so-called rishis, sages, aachaaryas, etc., are as much ignorant about this as we ordinary people are. Hence, at present, there is absolute confusion.

Burning seems to me to be a better option, especially with electric crematoria, but I am against the practice of depositing the unburnt bones, etc. in rivers; sea may be a better course. Otherwise accumulation of such half burnt bone pieces is likely to pose a great menace to municipalities. Let each party dispose it off in the sea.

Vaideeka karmas etc., are really based on imagination and can be avoided, depending on the inclination of the heirs/children.
 
Nara ji I do not like that a discussion on priests has depressed you to the extent of thinking of the inevitable end to life early in the morning5.39am as per post. I request the moderater to close this thread which generates so many negative feelings among members
Dear krish44, I apologize for causing grief so early in the morning for you. As vgane has pointed out, to me it was after dinner and was getting ready to bed, not that I have anything against contemplating about topics such as this in the morning, as I am doing right now.

Also, as Vaagmi observes, I fail to understand what is negative about these thoughts, I am sure you are aware of what Yudishtra thought was supremely strange when the Yaksha asked this question. Cheer up good fellow, நெருப்புன்னா நாக்கு சுட்டுடாது. I am not planning on dying anytime soon, at least that is what my plan is.

Sangom, if burial causes ground water pollution it is something to take into account, yes. There are pluses and minuses in both methods of disposal. Cremation not only means perfectly good food for the maggots is burnt away, but to do so, fossil fuel is used. Where I live and likely to die ground water pollution is not an issue, so I would prefer dumping the body in a pit and go home and have a party, drinks included :).

Cheers!
 
'Sraaddham' is required to be done by one who believes in sraaddham which is enjoined by the scriptures. The scriptures roundly and clearly prohibit the performance of sraaddham in the house of even the daughter of the dead person, let alone matams or public places. The scriptures say, that such sraaddham will go to satisfy the many evil forces lurking (in the universe) and will leave one's pitrus starved and will thus cause pitru saapam. The only place - other than one's own place of living, in which scriptures permit sraaddham to be performed properly, is the house of a sapinda of the deceased/performer.

Now, people who claim to be very orthodox twist the rules of the scriptures, do whatever they feel is correct and then go on bad-mouthing others, in and out of context. Either they are rank hypocrites who do not at all believe in the scriptures but are cleverly tricking the world, or else, they are systemmatically inviting pitru saapam for their future generations. Rameshwaram and thila homam should save, even in that case!

Dear Sangomji,

Your post is raising a scary scenario. Performance of a sradhdham is either a nithya, naimiththika or kAmya karma depending on which sraadhdham it is. The rules relating to the performance are given in Dharmashastras in the sradhdha khaandam. I dont find there what you have said. What is said about the ச்ராத்த தேசங்கள் there is this:

1.புண்யதீர்த்தங்கள்,ஆஸ்ரமங்கள், நதிதீரங்கள், மலைப்ரதேசங்கள் இவைகளில் தென் பாகம் தாழ்ந்தும், கோமயத்தால் மெழுகப்பட்டும்,அசுத்தவஸ்த்துக்கள் இல்லாததுமான ஸ்தலத்திலும், தனது க்ருஹத்திலும் ஸ்ராத்தம் செய்யலாம்.

2.பிறரின் ஸ்தலத்தில்/க்ருஹத்தில் செய்யக்கூடாது.

3.சேறு, ஜந்துக்கள், புழுக்கள், துர்க்கந்தம் இவை உள்ள இடத்தில் கூடாது.

4.கங்கை, கோதாவரி, நர்மதை, சரயூ, காவேரி,சரஸ்வதி இவைகளின் தீரம், கயை ப்ரயாகை, ஸ்ரீசைலம், கோகர்ணம், புஷ்கரம், குருக்ஷேத்ரம்,கேதாரம்,சேது, துவாரகை, பதரீ, வாரனாசி முதலிய க்ஷேத்ரங்களும் ஸ்ராத்த தேசங்களாம்.

5. கயையில் அக்ஷய்யவடத்தில் ஸ்ராத்தம் செய்வது மிகச்சிறந்ததாம்.

I have given here the tamil translation of the sanskrit original.

As you can see these days people go a matom, which is again a temple/asramam, to do the sraadhdham and they are not committing any mistake in that. No pitru sApam will accrue to them. Nor will the srAdhdham satisfy the evil forces lurking anywhere.

I am also told that the kartha doing the srAdhdham has to take care that the food prepared, the pindam etc are not prepared in a common kitchen from where other srAdhdham performers also draw them for their pitrus.

As your post might have caused some anxiety to some of our members who perform srAdhdham in an asram or matom I am writing this.
 
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The most important question here is "How much does it cost to conduct the fumeral rites?"


Other than the purohits fees, it involves a number of materials which cost money.

Organizations which do free service do only Cremation. I do not think they offer free rites.

The warning was given to the Widow because that is what the Brahmins in general believe.

A purohit is a trained Professional who has to earn a living.

NOT ALL R EXPERTS and it is very difficult for a lay grahasta to find out his capability (as he is totally oblivious of Sanskrit). Also how many employed persons planning to take this profession towards his end of their career for the sake of perennial income from this.
Even highly qualified persons employed in the same company or different companies, are they getting same salary. Are they not difference in their salary received. Why should not the purohit consider taking more from the haves and less from the havenots.
Our Vedas attribute various runas (including the purohit). Where is the lokha rna (duty towards society - which we talk in terms of Corporate social responsibility for the organisations) of this purohit.

In Kerala it is almost impossible to get electricians, carpenters, Plumbers. If we want a Plumber we have to pay him one days wage, a new shirt and provide conveyance to and fro. (25 years back) This was nothing but extortion. But people put up with it because you can not mange without a Plumber.

Yes. the amount they ask is to some extent payable by the poor and not the one demanded by the purohit, because his demand is like medical professional looting the patients who has mediclaim policy, as if the patient will not have any disease further. Also if the poor is not getting electrical work or plumbing work done by the specialist, atleast some neighbours will come forward to help him voluntarily or engage them a cheap labour. It is not the case.

The Purohits are at a disadvantage because, you can easily manage without their services. Most people do.

It is also in the other way. Grahasta's fear of going something wrong in the next generation or his posterity, is blackmailed by the purohit.

If you can not afford a purohit do not engage one, and be prepared to suffer the consequences if any.
one's karma cannot be removed by prayachittam. Lord's court is not like our HC or SC depending on the judge the judgement varies. Prayachittam is like an engine to a board to go against the current of the river. But the impact of current will definitely be there. It cannot be avoided. Even though a person is courageous to stand against all these, his own kit and kin will comment when he faces any calamity, which is natural otherwise. all rituals are only giving pseudo satisfaction which lingers for a while.

But do not expect the purohit to do free work for you. Why should he? When everyone gets paid for their services, why should he alone do free work? Because he is born a Brahmin?

Nobody expects purohit to do free service. but only expects to get a reasonable fee depending on the situation of grahasta. That is the humanity. Otherwise he is not a brahmin, he is only a vysya who is stict on counting and collecting money rather than doing his sincere business.
 
hi nachi sir,

I believe that no Brahmin should take up the profession of purohit and temple priest.

yes i agreed with u..........im from veda patasala student....i know many my collegues as purohits....some are temple priests too....

i escaped and became teacher/army life...its not for every veda patasala student...ONLY OPTION OTHER THAN PUROHIT....

HOTEL WORKERS/ COOKS......they cant be IT/any other decent professions.....i know pain of purohits/cooks in brahmin

community.....so what is the solution.....we can do shaving...but we cant do hair cutting by self.....in chennai

city like......i prefer like beasant nagar electric crematorium....do some minimum kriyas in rameswaram.....if possible a small

dhanam to orphanage children....its my personal opinion...i may be wrong...

I ONLY REMIND YOU ALL THE SAYING GIVEN IN THE PANCHAMA VEDA i.e BHAGAVAD GITA

PATRAM, PUSHPAM, PALAM,DOYAM, YO BHAKTIA PRAYACHATE
 
Society in general is always ready to condemn the Brahmin Purohits and Priests. The Brahmin community treats them very badly. They are called greedy and exploitative.


It is only sheer poverty and lack of other opportunities which makes a Brahmin take to these professions.


I always advise my friends to give up these professions.


I will be very happy when there are no Purohits or temple priests from the Brahmin Community.


One member had compared them to Barbers. 12 years of education in a Veda Patasahala makes you the social equivalent of a barber in the eyes of a Brahmin.


The purohits and priests are treated with more respect by the non-Brahmins.


I believe that no Brahmin should take up the profession of purohit and temple priest.

The priest society is corrupted by the flybynight purohits. my colleague (like this many people would have come across) 2 years before retirement started learning little bit about sastra to enter into purohit considering the perennial income from this. He has not learnt anything at length, what is requirement is sufficient and this is more comparing the ignorant grahasta. He also suggests and advise the sincere purohit with various ways to demand more money. They also fall prey into this greed. and if a grahasta finds out any mistake done by such purohit, he immediately have ready answer 'mistake done ignorantly nothing happens, god will excuse us'.
 
Nobody expects purohit to do free service. but only expects to get a reasonable fee depending on the situation of grahasta. That is the humanity. Otherwise he is not a brahmin, he is only a vysya who is stict on counting and collecting money rather than doing his sincere business.
Purohits are professionals like engrs or IT . They are entitled to reasonable compensation for services they perform after spending many year in vedapathshala. . If they do not give concessions to people who cannot afford them ,then such people can always find alternative . I employed a north indian purohit on funeral day since south indian purohits wanted to do a killing.in delhi. The talk of pariharam,prayachitham and consequence in case you do not engage purohits to perform them is all garbage and misusing religion to
make money.equally bad is blaming it on karmas. when will people wake and show these fellows the door
 
Did you think about this angle? Whenever I go any temple I make it a point to make my offerings only to the archakar and not in the hundi kept there. This is because the money collected in the hundi goes to feed the Thomases and khaders also of the HR&CE Department even though they have their own benefactors to donate money to them. This is the stand taken by many bhaktas visiting temple in TN these days. This may be the reason the "plate income" is increasing these days.


True but this also leads to preferential treatment given to devotees at the temple and I myself was a witness to the same . The Priests at the sanctum sanctorum of a temple have a smart intuition to know who gives Rs.10, who gives Rs.50, who Rs.100 and who Rs.500 . I am quite generous when I make an offering on the plate especially at Temples that I visit Rarely (i.e outside Chennai ) and was upset by the way I was given a sort of preferential treatment based on the money I put on the plate and it made me highly comfortable .So I have stopped visiting all such temples and even if I visit I put money only in the "Annadanam Hundi" .
 
True but this also leads to preferential treatment given to devotees at the temple and I myself was a witness to the same . The Priests at the sanctum sanctorum of a temple have a smart intuition to know who gives Rs.10, who gives Rs.50, who Rs.100 and who Rs.500 . I am quite generous when I make an offering on the plate especially at Temples that I visit Rarely (i.e outside Chennai ) and was upset by the way I was given a sort of preferential treatment based on the money I put on the plate and it made me highly comfortable .So I have stopped visiting all such temples and even if I visit I put money only in the "Annadanam Hundi" .
look boss,when we go to temple outside the city ,time is at a premium. specially when one makes a short visit from a far off place like north india or abroad. the value of money is also different . one doesnt' mind throwing a few dollars for preferential treatment. when educational institutions have a highly paid NRI quota why not at temples. whole country runs on the concept of speed money for services . why temple archakar asking for plate money be considered bad. they also have to make a living
 
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Purohits are professionals like engrs or IT . They are entitled to reasonable compensation for services they perform after spending many year in vedapathshala. . If they do not give concessions to people who cannot afford them ,then such people can always find alternative . I employed a north indian purohit on funeral day since south indian purohits wanted to do a killing.in delhi. The talk of pariharam,prayachitham and consequence in case you do not engage purohits to perform them is all garbage and misusing religion to
make money.equally bad is blaming it on karmas. when will people wake and show these fellows the door

Yes. I too agree. I only to emphasize the following:
1) It may be your experience (AS WELL AS MINE) to see that two of the same qualification, same IQ level persons, working in the same office, getting different salaries? Can you question him, why you are paying less to me and more to others.
2) Companies while making profit, shares to some extent for social responsibility of uplifting the downtrodden.
3) Now-a-days can you point of out any purohit (he be in village or in town) is less than any grahasta. Atleast i can show umpteen number of landlords in the villages finding it difficult to run their every day activities, inspite of having vast lands; but they have to depend on the sky either directly or through rivers for getting water for their field. In one year, if the monsoon played a havoc their entire income is eroded. They do not have any permanent monthly income. Labour cost is high. Delay in putting timely fertiliser also kill their effort, this is ofcourse due to labour shortage.
4) I am sure you know pretty well every one in this world has to make 4 duties towards his guru, father, mother and ofcourse towards society. It is applicable even to purohit. If you go through the required quality of Brahmin priest as PER SASTRA you will understand that he should have much more wiser knowledge than the ordinary person and he should be very conscious of ensuring duty towards society with respect to HIS SUBJECT.
5) Above all, todays you have find umpteen number of purohit in modern outfit. Where do they come from, having done 12 years integrated course. They are all well employed in a private / public / government jobs, planning to be a purohit just two years before retirement and learn short term course to learn certain important mantras which grahastas are totally ignorant of such knowledge.

Note: Patram, Pushpam, Palam, Toyam, yo bhaktiya prayachati. Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita (the last two words are absent in our day to day activities for both grahasta as well as priest. Priest always under suspicion whether grahasta pays as he expects, grahasta is under suspicion whether this purohit is demanding more.... so the suspicion and mistrust is going around and around and no shradhdha in doing the karma. So why to do such thing? is my question.
 
Yes. I too agree. I only to emphasize the following:
1) It may be your experience (AS WELL AS MINE) to see that two of the same qualification, same IQ level persons, working in the same office, getting different salaries? Can you question him, why you are paying less to me and more to others.
2) Companies while making profit, shares to some extent for social responsibility of uplifting the downtrodden.
3) Now-a-days can you point of out any purohit (he be in village or in town) is less than any grahasta. Atleast i can show umpteen number of landlords in the villages finding it difficult to run their every day activities, inspite of having vast lands; but they have to depend on the sky either directly or through rivers for getting water for their field. In one year, if the monsoon played a havoc their entire income is eroded. They do not have any permanent monthly income. Labour cost is high. Delay in putting timely fertiliser also kill their effort, this is ofcourse due to labour shortage.
4) I am sure you know pretty well every one in this world has to make 4 duties towards his guru, father, mother and ofcourse towards society. It is applicable even to purohit. If you go through the required quality of Brahmin priest as PER SASTRA you will understand that he should have much more wiser knowledge than the ordinary person and he should be very conscious of ensuring duty towards society with respect to HIS SUBJECT.
5) Above all, todays you have find umpteen number of purohit in modern outfit. Where do they come from, having done 12 years integrated course. They are all well employed in a private / public / government jobs, planning to be a purohit just two years before retirement and learn short term course to learn certain important mantras which grahastas are totally ignorant of such knowledge.

Note: Patram, Pushpam, Palam, Toyam, yo bhaktiya prayachati. Lord Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita (the last two words are absent in our day to day activities for both grahasta as well as priest. Priest always under suspicion whether grahasta pays as he expects, grahasta is under suspicion whether this purohit is demanding more.... so the suspicion and mistrust is going around and around and no shradhdha in doing the karma. So why to do such thing? is my question.

so jai ho to all priests making a killing and let us stay away from them
 
Purohits are professionals like engrs or IT . They are entitled to reasonable compensation for services they perform after spending many year in vedapathshala. . If they do not give concessions to people who cannot afford them ,then such people can always find alternative . I employed a north indian purohit on funeral day since south indian purohits wanted to do a killing.in delhi. The talk of pariharam,prayachitham and consequence in case you do not engage purohits to perform them is all garbage and misusing religion to
make money.equally bad is blaming it on karmas. when will people wake and show these fellows the door
-----=Purohits who comes to our house for purohitam is not professionals,I bet.Mostly they act as (edupidi) assists some purohit for some time and simply memorise some mantrams(not all tantrams) and start independent profession.In case of death or marriage he brings his senior to do.Persons who has spend 14 years in "VEDHA PATASALA" NEVER ACCEPT PUROHITAM AS THEIR LIVELYHOOD. The ignorance and not so serious attitude of the grahasthas add to their fortune.When a grahastha has interest and has knowledge of karmas it will be very difficult for him to get purohit in new places.My practical experience.
 
-----=Purohits who comes to our house for purohitam is not professionals,I bet.Mostly they act as (edupidi) assists some purohit for some time and simply memorise some mantrams(not all tantrams) and start independent profession.In case of death or marriage he brings his senior to do.Persons who has spend 14 years in "VEDHA PATASALA" NEVER ACCEPT PUROHITAM AS THEIR LIVELYHOOD. The ignorance and not so serious attitude of the grahasthas add to their fortune.When a grahastha has interest and has knowledge of karmas it will be very difficult for him to get purohit in new places.My practical experience.
what you say is quite true I admit. when there is small money to be had, what is to be expected. in case grahastha has interest and knowledge ,these kathukutties wont do for him ,nor he is prepared to pay a higher price for good professionals.what do you think is the wayout
 
what you say is quite true I admit. when there is small money to be had, what is to be expected. in case grahastha has interest and knowledge ,these kathukutties wont do for him ,nor he is prepared to pay a higher price for good professionals.what do you think is the wayout
I don"t concur with you on the last line.When one goes for quality he should be prepared for higher tag , if he is not, stuff will definitely be sub standard.
 
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I don"t concur with you on the last line.When one goes for quality he should be prepared for higher tag , if he is not, stuff will definitely be sub standard.

As Sri Vikrama said in his discussion 'Layman read RV', and also told by many scholars, doing srardha is not mentioned in Vedas. If so, it appears as a sampradhaya. Also one can notice the srardha activities getting changed year after year, person after person, place after place, it is definite it is only sampradhaya. If so, why should not we consider doing it in a very different way. Call the brahmachari students who are learning vedas from patasala and do srardha karma and also for bhojanam. This will benefit the patasala students and also grahata and a pinch for the experienced knowledgeable and unknowledgeable purohits.
 
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