Fun is no sin

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The free speech debate may have achieved a small victory this week. After being almost-published four times, author Kiran Nagarkar's 1977 play 'Bedtime Story' is finally coming out in print. It is being published by HarperCollins India, alongside a screenplay, 'Black Tulip' — both boiling over with Nagarkar's dark, searing humour. The full article in the link

Fun Is No Sin - - Why should ancient faiths feel thredened?

?Why should ancient faiths feel threatened?? - The Times of India

Thanks for that post.


I liked these quotes:
"Why does Hinduism — this cluster of all kinds of beliefs — which has been around so many years, still feel threatened? The same with Islam. To feel insecure is to be unsure about oneself, and hence, to undermine the very values one stands for," says Nagarkar.




His favourite example is the myth surrounding the story of Ekalavya. He says he is astounded by the quality of observation that goes into the story — the distinctions created between the upper and lower caste. When he recently asked a class of students their take on the significance of the Ekalavya story, based on what their families have told them, they all extolled the virtues of the guru-shishya tradition.

In Nagarkar's version, he says he focussed on the whole Dalit condition, and caste, "and how we have found such superb ways of putting them down." He reworks the story so that when the guru asks the student for his thumb as dakshina, Ekalayva fashions it from a piece of earth and hands it over to Drona. "He never, never forgets for a minute that Dronacharya is the guru, and yet at no point in time is he any less of a prince in his statement and action," says Nagarkar. "It doesn't belittle anybody if one falls in love with these stories and changes them. Have we lost our sense of balance?"

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

The law does not criminalise a joke. The law cannot allow itself to be used as an instrument of suppression, of a citizen’s right to speak sense or nonsense


Yes Law doesnot criminalise fun - FUN IS NO SIN!!

More on this in the link

The lawlessness of humour - The Hindu

 

[Vaagmi]

prasadji,

"Why does Hinduism — this cluster of all kinds of beliefs — which has been around so many years, still feel threatened? The same with Islam. To feel insecure is to be unsure about oneself, and hence, to undermine the very values one stands for," says Nagarkar.

The salient point missed is that it is not the faith that is feeling insecure. It is the individuals that follow that faith and incidentally happen to live as a community on this earth who feel insecure. They feel insecure because every other faith uses faith as a political instrument to organize, spread their particular brand, control and destroy large masses of people. The faith by itself will stand any test of reasonableness at an intellectual level. Earlier it was the sword that was used to enslave people of other faiths and today it is the gun and the slitting of throat in public view and before cameras that is used to enslave.

His favourite example is the myth surrounding the story of Ekalavya. He says he is astounded by the quality of observation that goes into the story — the distinctions created between the upper and lower caste. When he recently asked a class of students their take on the significance of the Ekalavya story, based on what their families have told them, they all extolled the virtues of the guru-shishya tradition.
In Nagarkar's version, he says he focussed on the whole Dalit condition, and caste, "and how we have found such superb ways of putting them down." He reworks the story so that when the guru asks the student for his thumb as dakshina, Ekalayva fashions it from a piece of earth and hands it over to Drona. "He never, never forgets for a minute that Dronacharya is the guru, and yet at no point in time is he any less of a prince in his statement and action," says Nagarkar. "It doesn't belittle anybody if one falls in love with these stories and changes them. Have we lost our sense of balance?"

Wasted time.

 

[sarang]

"It doesn't belittle anybody if one falls in love with these stories and changes them. Have we lost our sense of balance?"

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Fine as long as the narrator says this is my version and differs from the original time honoured version. Of course this accommodation will not apply to ROP and ROC. All hell will break loose.

Goes without saying that our budhdhis will grasp what we think is rational based on our religious and spiritual development.

 

[Vaagmi]

As you said 'Sin per Dharma"

Dharma defines and governs Punyam and Papam

Sans Dharma there is no punyam or paapam.

but Punyam and Papam is NOT part of Dharma.

It is like saying head is NOT part of the body. LOL.

 

[prasad1]

prasadji,



It is the individuals that follow that faith and incidentally happen to live as a community on this earth who feel insecure.

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I can buy that logic. So an individual cab feel threatened and so stop reading such writing instead of getting it censored by government etc. Just because one religion was able to get some other piece censored, we need not follow it.

Wasted time.

May be from an upper caste person (nothing personal).
From Dalit's point of view it is not.

In Nagarkar's version, he says he focussed on the whole Dalit condition, and caste, "and how we have found such superb ways of putting them down."

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Stand-up acts are turning comedy into a serious business




http://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCMQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehindubusinessline.com%2Fnews%2Fstandup-acts-are-turning-comedy-into-a-serious-business%2Farticle6925997.ece&ei=SCPsVMTQDYKjugSpw4HYBQ&usg=AFQjCNE9r4Z1bgQ03fprewIXQQltdugmwg&bvm=bv.86475890,d.c2E

 

[Vaagmi]

May be from an upper caste person (nothing personal).
From Dalit's point of view it is not.

Oh yeah. Very true indeed. Nagarkar has thrown light for the first time on a so far unknown truth. It is a great invention/discovery after the discovery /invention of wheel/theory of relativity by the human civilization. He deserves a Nobel Prize for his this great discovery. He has only spent his time well in doing a lot of research into the subject. Nagarkar jay ho. And Arm-chair revolutionary caste eradication soldiers jay ho. LOL.

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Licence to laugh: Humour lessons India should learn from Oscar jokes – bold, bad or ugly

February 25, 2015, 12:06 am IST TOI Edit in TOI Editorials | Edit Page | TOI



Licence to laugh: Humour lessons India should learn from Oscar jokes ? bold, bad or ugly - TOI Blogs

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Ennada Rascal song!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqoC8IDSnLo

 

[Janaki Jambunathan]

Dear Janaki Ji,

You say Fun is No Sin...but is Sin Fun?LOL[/QUOTE

Yes It is in Kashi on Holi!!

The bohemian nature of Shaivism is also said to culminate in a linguistic transference of sorts. Expletives of a phallic nature are all considered derivatives of Shiva’s divine linga (phallus). Besides, the god of destruction is thought to be a receptacle of all things abject — the snake around his neck, the poison in his throat, the ash smeared on his body. It is assumed that crummy language is something such a deity would heartily celebrate. Holi then becomes a tailor-made carnival for revelries in a starkly Dionysian city. As Bhattacharya explains, “The extra-constitutional liberty which Holi provides allows us to accept anything that gets uttered.”
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Roasted in Kashi | Business Line