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Post # 84
Sangom Ji,
Sorry for the delayed reply.
You made a first assumption that 'nirguna' is devoid of anything, then made 'ParaBrahman is nirguna' an another assumption. When ParaBrahman(PB) is the Only one that Exists (Even in advaita terms), you made Him incapable of anything incl. creation. How can anything derived neither from evidence nor from logic, be axiomatic??
If it is difficult to accept any creator god, where did this Universe and Jivas come from?? If you say so, where did the Universe and Jivas (you, me, we all posters fighting here and the internet/silicon chip), come from?? Don't say, we are unreal, we are posting in this site with IDs
We are real, and if you say PB is incapable of creation, then Who enveloped me (gave me body) to create a form?? As per SankhyAs, matter evolved into forms/bodies for the Jivas, then shouldn't we worship only that Primal Matter(Pradhana)? But matter is non-being and is incapable, without an instrument! If Jivas had power to create ourselves various forms, then you may see Yogis doing that trick and there would be no hold on KARMA, and Legal systems! So, when Jivas can't do that, unintelligent matter can't create on its own! So, PB must have been the only Cause of creation.
Again, going back to the Potter analogy, if the matter and Jivas existed outside PB, then PB needed that Matter(Clay) to create forms on Jivas to make-up Species/Cosmos(Pots). In this case, Matter(Clay) become powerful material cause. Then, PB still is inefficient in needing outsourced material [the drawback of Dwaita]. If PB is beyond time, space and matter, PB should host Matter and Jivas in Himself, and He caused the creation, with the evolution of matter, according to the karma of the Jivas. Jivas, as already seen, has only finite intelligence, has to be ruled and dictated by the PB in everything nd anything , thus PB pervades in all, thus PB is beyond space and time too!
So, "Your Advaita" contradicts logic and Strutis' axioms!!
Sangom Ji,
Sorry for the delayed reply.
You made a first assumption that 'nirguna' is devoid of anything, then made 'ParaBrahman is nirguna' an another assumption. When ParaBrahman(PB) is the Only one that Exists (Even in advaita terms), you made Him incapable of anything incl. creation. How can anything derived neither from evidence nor from logic, be axiomatic??
If it is difficult to accept any creator god, where did this Universe and Jivas come from?? If you say so, where did the Universe and Jivas (you, me, we all posters fighting here and the internet/silicon chip), come from?? Don't say, we are unreal, we are posting in this site with IDs
We are real, and if you say PB is incapable of creation, then Who enveloped me (gave me body) to create a form?? As per SankhyAs, matter evolved into forms/bodies for the Jivas, then shouldn't we worship only that Primal Matter(Pradhana)? But matter is non-being and is incapable, without an instrument! If Jivas had power to create ourselves various forms, then you may see Yogis doing that trick and there would be no hold on KARMA, and Legal systems! So, when Jivas can't do that, unintelligent matter can't create on its own! So, PB must have been the only Cause of creation. Again, going back to the Potter analogy, if the matter and Jivas existed outside PB, then PB needed that Matter(Clay) to create forms on Jivas to make-up Species/Cosmos(Pots). In this case, Matter(Clay) become powerful material cause. Then, PB still is inefficient in needing outsourced material [the drawback of Dwaita]. If PB is beyond time, space and matter, PB should host Matter and Jivas in Himself, and He caused the creation, with the evolution of matter, according to the karma of the Jivas. Jivas, as already seen, has only finite intelligence, has to be ruled and dictated by the PB in everything nd anything , thus PB pervades in all, thus PB is beyond space and time too!
So, "Your Advaita" contradicts logic and Strutis' axioms!!
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