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tHESE ARE THE SKETCHES OF DASAVATHARAMS BY RAJAN RAMAKRISHNAN. IN THIS POST MATHSYA, KURMA,
VARAHA AND NARASIMHA AVATHARAMS OF LORD VISHNU.


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This is a story by Amar chithra katha from Chandogya Upanishad to propagate Indian heritage through distant education.



[FONT=Helvetica, Comic Sans MS, Arial, Georgia]This short story, quoting the conversation between Svetaketu and his father, attempts to disclose a profound and subtle teaching of Vedas - "Thou Art That (Twam Tat Asi)."
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All people, have in themselves an eternal truth and reality called Atman, which corresponds to an identical but greater all-encompassing reality called Brahman. The life in this world is actually an illusion (maya) and the only way to escape the wheel of suffering between life and death is to realize that unchanging reality within one’s individual self, through devotion, penance and meditation.
"Believe me, my son," said Svetketu’s father, a sage. "An invisible and subtle essence is the Spirit of the whole Universe. That is Reality. That is Atman. Thou Art That."
"Explain more to me, father," said Svetaketu.
"So be it, my son. Place this lump of salt in water and return tomorrow morning."
Svetaketu did as he was commanded.
In the morning his father asked him to take out the lump of salt. Svetketu looked into the water, but could not find the salt, as it had dissolved.
His father then said, "Taste the water. How is it?"
"It is salty" replied Svetketu.
"Look for the salt again" the father addressed.
"I cannot see the salt, father. I only see water that tastes salty" commented Svetketu.
[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica, Comic Sans MS, Arial, Georgia]Svetketu’s father then said, "In the same way, O my son, you cannot see the Sprit. But in truth he is here. An invisible and subtle essence is the Spirit of the whole universe. That is Reality. That is Truth. Thou art that (Twam Tat Asi)."[/FONT]
 
iyer,

all my children, learned their indian heritage through amar chitra katha(ack). i remember those times when an entire suitcase used to be filled with ack and tinkle magazines.

not sure if tinkle is still in vogue.

anant pai, who founded the company, died only recently. he did enormous service to bring our traditional stories and epics to the generation of 70s and onwards, and also to indian children, born and raised abroad.

my kids, incidentally, know more about kamson, krishna and paal kadal, than i do :) all thanks to ack!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anant_Pai
 
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somanathan Iyer, I would like to place a small comment on the story you have posted. It is not intended to discourage you from posting stories like this. My intent is to place a sort of bookend to it so that young readers, if any, get a broader picture.


....Svetketu’s father then said, "In the same way, O my son, you cannot see the Sprit. But in truth he is here. An invisible and subtle essence is the Spirit of the whole universe. That is Reality. That is Truth.
The existence of an invisible and subtle essence is no more than an assertion. Once asserted, Svetketu's father gives an analogy to explain the assertion. Analogy is not proof. No convincing evidence has ever been presented for the assertion itself.

Cheers!
 
somanathan Iyer, I would like to place a small comment on the story you have posted. It is not intended to discourage you from posting stories like this. My intent is to place a sort of bookend to it so that young readers, if any, get a broader picture.
The existence of an invisible and subtle essence is no more than an assertion. Once asserted, Svetketu's father gives an analogy to explain the assertion. Analogy is not proof. No convincing evidence has ever been presented for the assertion itself.
Cheers!

Dear Sri "Nara",

Yes. very true. But, Is it not a fact that all beliefs are based on assertions? It is especially true in the case of many stories and epics based on religious beliefs. I have never heard any religious discourse without the support of an analogy in the form of exaggerated incidents.Perhaps it may be due to some one trying to explain the unexplainable abstract. But we must accept analogy is wonderful to listen. Life will be dry without imagination.

Regards,
Brahmanyan,
Bangalore.
 
...Perhaps it may be due to some one trying to explain the unexplainable abstract. But we must accept analogy is wonderful to listen. Life will be dry without imagination..
Yes B sir, life is much more interesting with delectable analogies -- often they are so good they sound as though they are proof on their own merit.

I am not advocating analogies be banished. My intent is to caution readers not to mistake analogies for proof. Advaitees are the worst perpetrators of this infraction, for anything and everything they come up with analogies, wonderful ones no doubt, but nevertheless analogies presented as irrefutable proof. This is what I want young readers to be aware of and question.

Cheers!
 
iyer,

all my children, learned their indian heritage through amar chitra katha(ack). i remember those times when an entire suitcase used to be filled with ack and tinkle magazines.

not sure if tinkle is still in vogue.

anant pai, who founded the company, died only recently. he did enormous service to bring our traditional stories and epics to the generation of 70s and onwards, and also to indian children, born and raised abroad.

my kids, incidentally, know more about kamson, krishna and paal kadal, than i do :) all thanks to ack!

Anant Pai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Same here! And omg exactly the same with the suitcases filled with ACK!!
 
THIS IS THE FIRST PART ON THE BELOW MENTIONED SUBJECT DERIVED FROM 'VEDIC KNOWLEDGE ON LINE'. WITH DUE APOLOGIES , NOT INTENDED TO HURT ANY ONE'S SENTIMENTS.

ATHEISM

'People in this age eat their food without washing beforehand. Monks break their vows of celibacy. Cows are kept alive only for their milk. Water is scarce. Many people watch the skies, praying for rain. No rain comes. The fields become barren. Suffering from famine and poverty, many attempt to migrate to countries where food is more readily available. People are without joy and pleasure. Many commit suicide. Men of small intelligence are influenced by atheistic doctrines. Family, clan and caste are all meaningless. Men are without virtues, purity or decency.' (Visnu Purana 6.1)
This is one of many Vedic predictions for our current age. As one of its many symptoms is always mentioned the prevalence of atheism. Why? Because atheism is the root cause of the pitiful condition of this age. If the knowledge of higher reality is lacking, there is no question of life in harmony with the universal order (dharma). And dharma being neglected, all the above (as well as other) symptoms of decline appear as reaction.
History and Analysis of Atheism
Atheism is known since the Vedic times when its main proponent was philosopher Carvaka. His lokayata philosophy (BG 2.26 p.), analogous to Greek hedonism, is a version of buddhism - everything is void but let's enjoy it! Nowadays propounded by Rajneesh Osho. Also later Buddhist philosophies are atheistic. Buddhism represents vikalpa, rejection of the world and materialism propounded by Carvaka represents sankalpa, enjoyment of the world. These are simply dualities of the mind lacking any substance. The various Vedic philosophies start beyond this point.
The first of six Vedic philosophical systems, Nyaya (logic), offers three proofs of the existence of God:
1. existence of order in nature and man (teleological argument)
It establishes intelligent design but it is not clear how many beings were involved in creating the order and if they were supreme or not.
2. existence of different conditions for different living beings (different karma of individuals must come from higher intelligence)
This argument is used for example by King Prthu in SB 4.21.27: 'My dear respectable ladies and gentlemen, according to the authoritative statements of sastra, there must be a supreme authority who is able to award the respective benefits of our present activities. Otherwise, why should there be persons who are unusually beautiful and powerful both in this life and in the life after death?'
3. existence of revealed scriptures which basically speak about the same topics and one God
The scriptures say that the existence of God can be inferred neither from sense perception (pratyaksa) nor from logic (anumana) but it can be understood from the revealed scriptures (sabda): 'Supreme Truth is neither established nor refuted by logical argument.' (Vedanta-sutra 2.1.11 paraphrased)
Vedanta-sutra refutes various atheistic and semi-theistic philosophies and establishes the supremacy of Brahman. Brahman is understood either as impersonal brahmajyoti in schools of Advaita Vedanta, person Bhagavan Visnu/Krsna in Dvaita Vedanta, or both in Acintya-bhedabheda-tattva philosophy of Gaudiya Vaisnava Vedanta.
Vedanta-sutra also mentions teleological argument: 'Within the effect (world) the cause (Brahman) can be seen just as cobweb makes one [intelligent person] think of a spider.' (Vedanta-sutra 2.2.15 paraphrased)
Also according to Vedanta-sutra 2.2.1,2,8 matter cannot cause creation because it cannot be shown how and why the passive dead matter started to act. The real evidence is however present on the countless pages of Vedic scriptures.
In the Western philosophy there are atheistic doctrines known since the Greek civilization. Atomist and hedonistic philosophy of Democritus, Epicurus and Lucretius is their typical example.
Christianity from its beginning formed a strong opposition to atheistic philosophies.
St Anselm claimed that existence of God is better than His non-existence; better to be just and happy than unjust and unhappy. Counterargument comes from Gaunilon in his 'Lost Island': His existence is logically possible but still can be doubted. St Anselm refutes it saying that real existence is unlimited; there is eternal omnipresence (God). His ontological argument: God is that which no greater can be thought of; God can't be thought not to exist - mind is limited.
St Thomas Aquinas offered several arguments: 1. argument from motion (cosmological argument): Everything moving needs to be put in motion; primary mover (or efficient cause) is God. 2. argument of possibility and necessity: Everything existing began to exist only through something already existing; if at one time nothing existed, even now nothing could exist (ex nihilo nihil fit, nothing comes out of nothing). Every necessary thing has its necessity caused by other(s) so there must exist a thing having its own necessity an causing necessity of others (God). 3. argument of gradation: Things are compared to ideal or maximum; cause of perfection is God.
St Thomas Aquinas and William Paley formulated teleological argument (design argument): Things in nature 'act for an end' designedly, by will and power of God (example of watch and watchmaker).
David Hume disagrees with teleological argument on the basis of existence of evil. He lists four circumstances of evil: 1. existence of sukha/duhkha (happiness/distress). God is not benevolent. 2. duhkha comes from the laws of nature - human attempts to control them materially (karma) brings more duhkha... If God needs rules He is not perfect. 3. great frugality of powers/faculties distribution to jivas. God is not magnanimous. 4. 'defects' in natural phenomena (dualities as drought/flood, heat/cold etc.) suggest lack of higher supervision. God is imperfect.
Three responses to the problem of evil:
St Augustine: presence of evil is not a limitation of God but a result of man's fall (objection by F. Schleiermacher: if perfect creation goes wrong it is God's fault)
Irenaeus: in this imperfect world there is a gradual creation of perfected humanity
Theodicy (or 'process theology'): theo - God, dike - (Greek) righteous God is either not all-good or not all-powerful because He is unable to stop the evil - Himself is subjected to natural laws. Universe is uncreated, it involves God. (Objection: this view doesn't mitigate the suffering). Good is impossible without evil; finally it prevails.
The problem of evil does not arise in the Vedic (and other Eastern) philosophies because it is related to the linear 'one creation, one life' paradigm introduced by Judeo-Christian tradition.
One variety of atheism is called anthropomorphism. Hrdayananda das Goswami in his article 'State and Society in ancient India' (ISKCON Communications Journal, June 1995, page 61) refutes it:
'We may note here that mere resemblance between God and men proves nothing since one could just as easily claim, as Bible does, that men are made in the image of God, or the gods. The resemblance then 'proves' the opposite point. If one argues, along with Xenophanes, that people seem to depict their gods with features similar to their own, and that all of these various views of the divinity cannot be simultaneously accurate, the following can be said in reply: due to CONDITIONED, INDIVIDUAL PERCEPTION, people tend to see many real, objective items in various ways. For example various artists may depict the same mountain in a variety of styles, or even colors, but the mountain is one. Similarly, perception varies, NOT THAT THE OBJECT OF DIFFERING PERCEPTIONS DOES NOT EXIST.
In fact, although philosophers argue, that it proves nothing to say that billions of people through the history have claimed some sort of awareness of divine reality, these same philosophers do not hesitate to claim that we are justified in believing in an objective physical world since so many people believe it to be there [this is a logical fallacy called an argumentum ad numeram: it consists of asserting that the more people who support or believe a proposition, the more likely it is that that proposition is correct]. But this is not the place for an extended discussion of meta-epistemology. Suffice it to say, that Rau is dreaming if he thinks that he is being 'rational' or 'scholarly' when he simply declares that 'the gods are everywhere made in the image of men.''
If, say, in the field of biology, one affirms or denies the claim of a biologist, then one thereby claims to have a knowledge of biology. Similarly, to affirm or deny the claim of a historian is to claim knowledge of history, and one's own right, thereby, to evaluate historical assertions. Exactly in the same way, TO AFFIRM OR DENY RELIGIOUS CLAIMS IS TO CLAIM FOR ONESELF A KNOWLEDGE OF RELIGIOUS MATTERS (...). If one doesn't know even this material universe, how can he claim there is no God inside/outside of it?
Viable philosophy must include theory (sambandha), practice (abhidheya) and goal (prayojana) which is eternal happiness. Vedanta-sutra describes sambandha in its first two chapters, abhidheya in third chapter and prayojana in fourth. Contemporary philosophies and religions usually lack two latter items. Another criteria is evaluation of the source and goal of philosophy. If we are to analyze the outcome ('judge by the results') we can say that:
1. The nature of atheism is degrading: it's practice leads to bondage and suffering (duhkha) because of an attachment to matter which degrades (entropy). Matter cannot be a source of anything higher - order, development, or life (which cannot appear by chance).
2. Happiness through atheism is impossible as it is not in harmony with the nature of person, society, universe, and God (dharma).
Still, people choose to become atheists as much as they choose to become theists. And no matter how strenuously some may try to deny it, atheism is a belief system. It requires faith that God does not exist. All atheists are not alike. They argue differently depending on what it is that grounds their unbelief. Here are two ways in which atheists attempt to explain and defend their atheism. They can be called 'offensive atheism' and 'defensive atheism'. (The rest of this article has a form of hypothetical debate with Western atheist. Therefore only argument of pratyaksa and anumana type are used.)
 
S Iyer, With your last Cut-and-Paste post you are derailing your own thread, if that is what you intend that is fine.

In this post you have put forward stuff written by somebody else. Responding to it would be like debating with a ghost. Would you please synthesize in your own words what you are trying to say?

Thank you...
 
Nara Ji,

I was away for 2 days, where I couldn’t have access to internet.
I am surprised at your annoyance for posting the cut and copy article on Atheism. As such it was not a counter to your queries. It was in my mind to post that, even before You posted your comments.

Every one of us agree that this Universe is governed by certain Nature’s laws. Whether we accept or not these Natural laws are guided by a Certain Force, holding the remote control. That force operates with thinking and reasoning power in monitoring this Universe. That is none other than God. To prove that, analogies are a must, which are understood easily. It’s like we answer exam papers, where the answers are supposed to be with examples. Even our Itihasas are brushed aside by arguing that, they lack evidence for its occurrence. But Now American scientists claim that Mahabharatha happened really and the submerged Dwaraka itself is a proof.

Lastly I would like to place it on record that, my concern also is to make young readers to study the subjects of both the arguments pertaining to the existence of God and arrive to their own conclusion.

Regards
 
This is concluding part of the article on Atheism derived from Vedic knowledge on line.

Defensive Atheism
Many sophisticated atheists today are fully aware of the philosophical pitfalls connected to offensive or dogmatic atheism. Prominent atheists such as Gordon Stein and Carl Sagan have admitted that God's existence cannot be disproved. This has led such atheists to advocate skeptical 'defensive atheism'. Defensive atheism asserts that while God's existence cannot be logically or empirically disproved, it is nevertheless unproven.
Atheists of this variety have actually redefined atheism to mean 'an absence of belief in God' rather than 'a denial of God's existence'. For this more moderate type of atheism, the concept of 'God' is like that of a unicorn, leprechaun, or elf. While they cannot be disproved, they remain unproven. Defensive atheism's unbelief is grounded in the rejection of the proofs for God's existence, and/or the belief that the concept of God lacks logical consistency.
An appropriate rejoinder at this point is that defensive atheism is using a stipulative or nonstandard definition for the word atheism. Paul Edwards, a prominent atheist and editor of The Encyclopedia of Philosophy, defines an atheist as 'a person who maintains that there is no God'. Atheism therefore implies a denial of God's existence, not just an absence of belief. It should also be stated that defensive atheism's absence of belief sounds very similar to agnosticism (which professes inability to determine whether God exists). The theist should ask the defensive atheist to show just how his (or her) atheism differs from agnosticism. Does he know or not know that there is no God?
The Inadequacy of Atheism
Whether offensive or defensive, there are a number of reasons why atheism is inadequate as a rational world-view. First, atheism cannot adequately explain the existence of the world. Like all things, the world in which we live cries out for an explanation. The atheist, however, is unable to provide a consistent one. If he argues that the world is eternal, then he is going against modern science which states that the universe had a beginning and is gradually running down. If the atheist affirms that the universe had a beginning, then he must account for what caused it (which of the remaining tattvas - jiva, prakriti, kala or karma?). Either way, the atheist cannot adequately explain the world.
Second, the atheistic world-view is irrational and cannot provide an adequate basis for intelligible experience. An atheistic world is ultimately random, disorderly, transitive, and volatile. It is therefore incapable of providing the necessary preconditions to account for the laws of science, the universal laws of logic, and the human need for absolute moral standards. In short, it cannot account for the meaningful realities we encounter in life.
The theistic world-view, however, can explain these transcendental aspects of life. The uniformity of nature stems from God's orderly design of the universe. The laws of logic are a reflection of the way God Himself thinks, and would have us to think as well.
Let us now examine a way in which the theist can offer evidence for God's existence, thus illustrating the rationality of theism.
Cosmological Argument
Nearly everyone, at least in their more reflective moments, has asked some simple but deep-seated questions such as: Where did the world come from? Why is there something rather than nothing? How did the world come into existence? The asking of these elementary but profound questions has led to the formulation of a popular argument for God's existence known as the 'cosmological argument'. It derives its name from the word kosmos, the Greek word for world. While there are several variations of the argument, the basic point is that God is the only adequate explanation for the world's existence. This argument was first formulated by the Greek philosopher Aristotle. Its most famous presentation was given by the medieval Christian philosopher and theologian Thomas Aquinas.
Just how do we account for the universe? How do we explain the existence of the world? Logically speaking, there are only a few options and only one of them is rationally acceptable.
Our starting point in discussing the world is to assume that a real world of time and space does in fact exist. There are some who would dispute this assumption, arguing rather that the universe is simply an illusion. However, most atheists, being materialists who believe that all reality is ultimately matter and energy, will be willing to accept this starting point. (If the world was an illusion, there would be no good reason to believe that we would all perceive the world even remotely the same way. But we do, generally speaking, experience the world the same way and can even make accurate predictions [science].)
How do we account for this real world? The first option is that the world somehow caused or created itself. This, however, is an irrational conclusion. For something to create itself, it would have to exist before it was created, and that is completely absurd. Something cannot both exist and not exist at the same time and in the same way. Concluding that the world created or caused itself is simply not a rationally acceptable alternative.
A second suggested explanation is that the universe came from nothing by nothing. Some atheists do, in fact, argue this way. This, however, is also irrational because something cannot be derived from nothingness. An effect cannot be greater than its cause - and in this case the cause would be nothing. One of the basic laws of physics is expressed by the Latin phrase ex nihilo, nihil fit, 'from nothing, nothing comes'. It's a tremendous leap of faith to believe that the world emerged from nothing. Remind the atheist that he is not supposed to have any faith.
Our third option is that the universe is simply eternal. It has just always been here. This alternative, however, is also doomed to failure. First, the world that we live in shows signs that it is contingent (dependent for its continued existence on something outside itself, ultimately something uncaused and absolute). The fact is, no single element in the universe contains the explanation for its existence. Therefore this chain of contingencies we call the world necessitates the existence of a noncontingent or absolute ground of being.
Further, the concept of an eternal universe directly contradicts the prevailing view of contemporary science which teaches that the universe had a specific beginning (Big Bang) a finite period of time ago. Worse still, it contradicts the scientific fact that the world is gradually running out of available energy (Second Law of Thermodynamics). If the universe was always in existence (i.e., eternal), it would have already run down. Additionally, if the universe was eternal, then it would have an infinite past (i.e., an infinite number of days, weeks, months, years, etc.). This, however, leads to a logical contradiction. By definition one can never reach the end of an infinite period of time; nevertheless, we have arrived at today, which completes or traverses the so-called infinite past. These points make an eternal universe theory scientifically and philosophically untenable.
Seeing that these other alternatives have failed, the only truly rational alternative is that the universe was caused by an entity outside space and time that is by definition uncaused and ultimate. And, because this Being created other beings who possess personality, He must also be a person (the effect cannot be greater than the cause).
This argument brings the atheist to the idea of a deity with many theistic attributes. It does illustrate that theism is rational and in this case the only rational alternative in explaining the universe.
Quotes Against Evolutionism and about Atheism
Spontaneous generation of a living cell is as improbable as a tornado building a Boeing 747. (Sir Fred Hoyle)
Through the use and abuse of hidden postulates, of bold, often ill-founded extrapolations, a pseudoscience has been created. It is taking root in the very heart of biology and is leading astray many biochemists and biologists who sincerely believe that the accuracy of fundamental concepts has been demonstrated which is not the case. (Pierre Grasse, 'The Evolution of Living Organisms')
Paleontology is now looking at what it actually finds, not what it is told that it is supposed to find. As is now well known, most fossil species appear instantaneously in the record, persist for some millions of years virtually unchanged, only to disappear abruptly... Instead of finding the gradual unfolding of life, what geologists of Darwin's time and geologists of the present day actually find is a highly uneven or jerky record; that is, species appear in the sequence very suddenly, show little or no change during their existence in the record, then abruptly go out of the record. (T. Kemp, curator of the University Museum, Oxford)
Ultimately the Darwinian theory of evolution is no more nor less than the great cosmological myth of the 20th century. Like the Genesis-based cosmology which it replaced, and like the creation myths of ancient man, it satisfies the same deep psychological need for an all-embracing explanation for the origin of the world... (Michael Denton, biologist and physician, 'Evolution: A Theory in Crisis')
A large number of well-trained scientists outside of evolutionary biology and paleontology have unfortunately gotten the idea that the fossil record is far more Darwinian than it is. This probably comes from the oversimplification inevitable in secondary sources: low-level textbooks, semi-popular articles and so on. Also there is probably some wishful thinking involved. In the years after Darwin, his advocates hoped to find predictable progressions. In general, these have not been found - yet the optimism has died hard and some pure fantasy has crept into textbooks. (David Raup, paleontologist)
Not one of the scientists quoted above, is a creationist or advocate of the Genesis theory or, so far as known, even religious. But evolution is a myth. This myth is pushed off on the public in popular articles and textbooks as if it were scientific fact.
To say that a man is made up of certain chemical elements is a satisfactory description only for those who intend to use him as fertilizer. (Herbert Muller)
An atheist is a man who believes himself an accident. (Francis Thompson)
Among the repulsions of atheism for me has been its drastic uninterestingness as an intellectual position. Where was the ingenuity, the ambiguity, the humanity (in the Harvard sense) of saying that the universe just happened to happen and that when we’re dead we’re dead? (John Updike)
We find the most terrible form of atheism, not in the militant and passionate struggle against the idea of God himself, but in the practical atheism of everyday living, in indifference and torpor. We often encounter these forms of atheism among those who are formally Christians. (Nicolai A. Berdyaev)
A dead atheist is someone who's all dressed up with no place to go. (James Duffecy, NY Times 21 Aug 1964)
vairanubandha etavan
amrtyor iha dehinam
ajnana-prabhavo manyur
aham-manopabrmhitah
Hiranyakasipu's anger against Lord Visnu persisted until his death. Other people in the bodily concept of life maintain anger only because of false ego and the great influence of ignorance. (SB 8.19.13)
"Those who preach ignorance pass through darkness. Those who are false witnesses, liars and deceitful obtain death unconsciously, just as those who abuse the Vedas." (Garuda Purana 2.2.50-51)
Appearances of God in history
All spiritual traditions, from nature worship to monotheism, mention appearances of higher beings including God and there is a pattern which fits the Vedic system (see Connections among spiritual traditions). Examples when God appeared "in public":
- accounts in Vedic scriptures

- accounts in Bible

An interesting Biblical account appears in the Second Book of Maccabees: God appeared as a rider (Kalki?) and two young beautiful boys (Krishna/Balarama?), punishing Heliodorus sent to loot the Jerusalem temple. See Heliodorus and Vaishnava-Jewish connection

- as Nrsimha, protecting Adi Shankaracharya while killing a Kali worshiper who wanted to sacrifice him (see biographies of Adi Shankaracharya). There are many similar accounts of Nrsimhadeva since He appears to protect His devotees.

- as Shiva (from the Vaishnava point of view he is a special expansion of God, not God Himself), saving Colonel Martin during a battle in Afghanistan due to prayers of his wife, Lady Martin. There are many other accounts from lives of devotees (like Shiva and Devi appearing to Ramanujacharya).

- Other devas appear even more frequently, esp. Devi in her many forms like Durga, Mother Mary, etc, while many witnesses describe the same form and related phenomena.
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....I am surprised at your annoyance for posting the cut and copy article on Atheism. As such it was not a counter to your queries. It was in my mind to post that, even before You posted your comments.
somanathan Iyer, I am afraid your surprise is wasted, I am not at all annoyed, there is no reason to be.

To prove that, analogies are a must, which are understood easily. It’s like we answer exam papers, where the answers are supposed to be with examples.
:) I hope you see the unmistakable irony in the above, you state analogies are a must to prove, and you offer an analogy to prove that statement. If we have a contest on how many logical fallacies can be packed into a little statement, this one will be a hands down winner!!!

About your long post on Atheism, these points have been discussed several times in detail. So, there is no need to respond point-by-point. I think it is sufficient to say the post is filled with fallacies, misrepresentations, fabrications, and outright falsehoods. I invite young readers to be wary of this post.

BTW, wholesale cut-and-paste of articles from other sites is not ethical, you are depriving traffic to the source site. It would have been sufficient to just provide a link and summarize your point. Please rest assured I am not annoyed, this is just not kosher, rest is up to you.

Cheers!
 
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Good post Soma,

I just showed my son and he finds all the pics nice and was reading the Swetaketu story.
 
Every one of us agree that this Universe is governed by certain Nature’s laws. Whether we accept or not these Natural laws are guided by a Certain Force, holding the remote control. That force operates with thinking and reasoning power in monitoring this Universe. That is none other than God.

Shri Somanathan Iyer,

One doubt : how do you conclude that "That force operates with thinking and reasoning power in monitoring this Universe."?

For example, in a centrifuge, the force acts as long as there is a rotational movement around a fixed point the centripetal force causes more dense substances to separate out along the radial direction. Can we say that this happens because some thinking and reasoning power works behind the centrifuge all the time? Same for a falling apple - does a thinking and reasoning power monitor each item falling from above and pulls it down?

Is it not more logical to accept the fact that the interplay of the fundamental building blocks of the universe (may be strings today, something else tomorrow, because CERN scientists have proved neutrinos travelling at speeds more than that of light!) have combined in such a way that such universal laws such as gravity, momentum, centripetal/centrifugal force, etc., have evolved from such combination?
 
Shri Sangomji,

I agree that these laws of Physics, mechanical and economics end up with a specified result anywhere ( with a twist that if the other factors remain constant). But the radical class disagree to agree with a certain point that anything needs a operational force to monitor. The satellites sent into orbit with different tasks or remotely controlled by our human brains.And here the destiny or life span of the satellite is decided by our humans only. Then who controls the human brain and destiny? If it is controlled only by Nature's laws, every one should think in the same way. If there is no thinking and reasoning power behind Nature's laws then every species should die at the same age or time gap after its birth. Who decides the end? could the creators of cloning decide the lifespan of the created species? For that matter nothing is and can be created by humans which doesn't exist in Nature. Based on these things I can confidently say that GOD is the power behind this Universe.

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One more forwarded post for readers to enjoy.


Chanakya's Quotes - Worth reading many times over…


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"A person should not be too honest.
Straight trees are cut first
and Honest people are victimised first."

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"Even if a snake is not poisonous,
it should pretend to be venomous."

Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC-275 BC)
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"The biggest guru-mantra is:
Never share your secrets with anybody. !
It will destroy you."

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"There is some self-interest behind every friendship.
There is no Friendship without self-interests.
This is a bitter truth."

Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC-275 BC)
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"Before you start some work, always ask yourself three questions -
Why am I doing it,
What the results might be and
Will I be successful.
Only when you think deeply and find satisfactory answers to these questions, go ahead."

Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC-275 BC)
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"As soon as the fear approaches near,
attack and destroy it."

Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC-275 BC)
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"Once you start a working on something,
don't be afraid of failure and don't abandon it.
People who work sincerely are the happiest.."

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"The fragrance of flowers spreads only in the direction of the wind.
But the goodness of a person spreads in all direction."

Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC-275BC)
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"A man is great by deeds, not by birth."
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"Treat your kid like a darling for the first five years. For the next five years, scold them.
By the time they turn sixteen, treat them like a friend. Your grown up children are your best friends."

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"Books are as useful to a stupid person
as a mirror is useful to a blind person."

Chanakya quotes (Indian politician, strategist and writer, 350 BC-275BC)
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"Education is the best friend.
An educated person is respected everywhere.
Education beats the beauty and the youth."

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This American photographer gives us a perspective from inside the waves.. These pictures were taken in Hawaii and are wonderful. Forwarded for the benefit of readers to enjoy.


The Waves of Hawaii


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Waimea Bay shore-break surfing pioneer, husband, and father of two, Clark Little has gained nationwide recognition for his photography with appearances on Good Morning America, Inside Edition, and many local news stations across the U.S.

Clark Little on Good Morning America (2009):


It all started in 2007 when Clark 's wife wanted a nice piece of art to decorate a wall.

Voluntarily, Clark grabbed a camera, jumped in the water, and starting snapping away capturing the beauty and power of monstrous Hawaiian waves from the inside out.

" Clark 's view" is a unique view of the ocean that most will
only
Be able to experience safely on land while studying one of Clark 's photos.

Now with a camera upgrade and an itch to get that better shot, Clark has taken this on full time and has moved his office from land, to the inside of a barrel.


Since the recent stir of Clark 's work, his images have been run
On the Today Show, ABC World News Now, Nature's Best Photography, Paris Match (France), La Vie (France), Hana Hou (Hawaiian Airlines) magazine, Surfer magazine, Surfer's Journal
As well as multiple publishers and newspapers in the U.S. And overseas.

These incredible images of waves in the Hawaiian Islands were taken by Clark Little, the number one photographer of surf.

He is dedicated to photographing the waves and has published a selection of his best images.

He captures magical moments inside the tube as surfers say.

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Sun glints off wave
Clark Little/SWNS
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Sand in surf
Clark Little/SWNS
This shot captures sand from the ocean's floor being swept up by a monstrous wave and resembles a sandstorm.
Little calls it the Sandmonster.
There were clouds of sand ten feet high and I'm standing there.
I'm holding on to my camera and my trigger as long as I can.
Then I have to jump into the cloud of sand to try to get out of danger's way.

His fans pay as much as $4,000 for his gorgeous photos.

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Tubular shining
Clark Little/SWNS
 
Waves of Hawaii

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Beach - surf crashes down
Clark Little/SWNS

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Molten liquid gold
Clark Little/SWNS

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White tumultuous water
Clark Little/
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