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How much do parents owe their children for bringing them into this world?

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Thank you, K for initiating this discussion.

I sympathise with Indian parents in their 60s now. The world has changed for them drastically. When they raised their children, they had hopes that these “saplings” would grow to be “big trees” to give them “shade”. But the kids of 80s and 90s have grown in a “globalized world” (euphemism for western influence!:eyebrows:) and that has dealt the baby boomers a big blow. But then, each one is right from his/her own perspective.

Talking of people in their 40s now, I am not sure whether their attitude towards their children is any different from what it was for people in their 60s now.
hi siva,

these are realities....migration inevitable due ' globalised world'....i agreed that the baby boomers from india/usa are the same...

some western countries parents are prepared....some times in india ..its heart breaking....PREPARE FOR THE WORST....

HOPE FOR THE BEST.....this is for new generation parents/ grand parents too...
 
Thank you, K for initiating this discussion.

I sympathise with Indian parents in their 60s now. The world has changed for them drastically. When they raised their children, they had hopes that these “saplings” would grow to be “big trees” to give them “shade”. But the kids of 80s and 90s have grown in a “globalized world” (euphemism for western influence!:eyebrows:) and that has dealt the baby boomers a big blow. But then, each one is right from his/her own perspective.

Talking of people in their 40s now, I am not sure whether their attitude towards their children is any different from what it was for people in their 60s now.
Dear H siva ji
You write very good tamil poetry.I happened to read some .Keep it up
Attitudinal change is easily talked about than achieving. the adults are more difficult to mould as compared to children . they can get some exposure to western societies and their living style to which their children are exposed to.
they will slowly learn to become selfish enough to look after themselves. they need to have some self preservation instincts. they should learn to set terms to their children to ensure a good life for themselves on retirement. they should learn good personal finance management to distribute between their and their children needs. will they raise up to the challenge. let us see
 
there is nothing wrong in children celebrating valentine day or any other day of their choice. why should anyone mind it . I am puzzled. Unfortunately there were no such days in our time . I am unable to understand this hostility or liking towards it

Dear Krishji,

I do not really bother who celebrates what as long I dont get involved in celebrations.
Personally I am not fond of any one day 'celebration' of any kind whether its Valentine or Deepavali..mostly are just a waste of time and money.
 
One country has this in its constitution:

Article 64 [Protection of the Family, Freedom of Marriage]
(1) The family is the cell of society.
(2) The State protects marriage and the family.
(3) Marriage shall conform to the principles of free consent, progressive union, monogamy and equality between husband and wife.
(4) Parents have the responsibility to bring up their children into good citizens. Children and grandchildren have the duty to show respect to and look after their parents and grandparents.
(5) The State and society shall recognise no discrimination among children.

Article 65 [Protection of Children]
Children enjoy protection, care and education by the family, the State and society.
 
One country has this in its constitution:

Article 64 [Protection of the Family, Freedom of Marriage]
(1) The family is the cell of society.
(2) The State protects marriage and the family.
(3) Marriage shall conform to the principles of free consent, progressive union, monogamy and equality between husband and wife.
(4) Parents have the responsibility to bring up their children into good citizens. Children and grandchildren have the duty to show respect to and look after their parents and grandparents.
(5) The State and society shall recognise no discrimination among children.

Article 65 [Protection of Children]
Children enjoy protection, care and education by the family, the State and society.

Dear Shri Sarang,

I checked this ...This should be of Vietnam, not India

Can you share the reference?
 
I said one country, not our country. You are right, it is vietnam.
you have to be a a communist country like vietnam or authoritarian like singapore to implement such things.
In singapore they would like to reserve flats for youngsters entering into marriage to preserve families and to enable them to live happily gettting more children. they have population shortage
 
One country has this in its constitution:

Article 64 [Protection of the Family, Freedom of Marriage]
(1) The family is the cell of society.
(2) The State protects marriage and the family.
(3) Marriage shall conform to the principles of free consent, progressive union, monogamy and equality between husband and wife.
(4) Parents have the responsibility to bring up their children into good citizens. Children and grandchildren have the duty to show respect to and look after their parents and grandparents.
(5) The State and society shall recognise no discrimination among children.

Article 65 [Protection of Children]
Children enjoy protection, care and education by the family, the State and society.

Ok, What does it mean? Like Krishji said how is it going to be implemented? Is it a good law?
 
Our dharma sastras too insist that parents must be looked after. How do we implement indian constitution or for that matter american constitution?

Ok, What does it mean? Like Krishji said how is it going to be implemented? Is it a good law?
 
kuzhandhaikalai nalla padia valarthu avalukku nalla oru future undakkarathu ella parents oda duty. aana athe samayam, appavum ammavum thangaloda future ai safe aha pathukkanum. ella panathayum selavu pannittu ottandiya ninna kuzhathakalukkum kashtam, namakkum kashtam. oru levelukku mele avaala independent ah vittudanam.
 
kuzhandhaikalai nalla padia valarthu avalukku nalla oru future undakkarathu ella parents oda duty. aana athe samayam, appavum ammavum thangaloda future ai safe aha pathukkanum. ella panathayum selavu pannittu ottandiya ninna kuzhathakalukkum kashtam, namakkum kashtam. oru levelukku mele avaala independent ah vittudanam.
nalla yojanai. ellawathaiyum vittuvittu sack cloth and ashes aha ella priyavargalum poga vendum
 
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i suspect all of us here, are fairly well off, to the extent we educated our children, sent our sons to usa, married off our daughters and still have a wee bit left for our livelihood. not all. but most of us. no?

how many of us depend on our sons monetarily? how many sons (with blessing of dil) are willing to provide support financially? how many are wholly and freely willing to host their parents in their old age?

which comes to my point here. the white folks, do not pay, as a rule, for their children's university education. the kids work part time, get grants, and borrow money to meet the gap. it is a rare white kid, who comes out of university without a debt. compare that to indian kids in india/usa and chinese kids .. where mommydaddy pay not only for their education, but also for their entertainment. in fact it is considered an entitlement in these cultures.

i dont know now, but i had relatives, who scraped the bottom of their PF to marry off their daughters, and had to ask for 5 one rupee coins, to give their grandchildren at vishu time.

most of us are past. but should we suggest to those of us in their 40s, not to burn their entire wealth on their children and forced to go with a begging bowl in their old age.

what price is success? i know, my mom, would have wished, that i had not 'succeeded' to such an extent, to leave india. how many parents, here with their children in the usa, wish the same?

a close relative with two daughters, specifically asked for grooms in the usa as he was convinced that india was bound for goonda raj and did not wish his daughters to be living there. he was confident of spending alone his old age in india with his wife. a few months ago, he applied to immigrate to usa. i figure we have an inherent need to live close to our children when we age. if not with them. atleast within our sight. no?

A quote from the article you have referred --"The worst part is the loneliness," Lee said--

And it all depends on how our value system revolves, "Around Me" or "Around Us". The FM group most probably would be the independent lot, and would not be flustered were they not to live with their children, assuming economic independence. The FM group probably would rate a life with kids above all other comforts.

I think we are seeing the transient phase from the FU to the FM category. And hence there are those that are left in the lurch.
 
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