I Love Japan...Everyone Loves Japan... Why ?

[C RAVI]

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Nope you are wrong....the PIO who have some adjustment disorders to any new found land might be those who are working abroad for the first time in their life or some newly migrated person.

Most of us are well settled cos we are citizens.

Political differences will be there in any country just like how some Brahmins in TN feel unhappy in their own land of birth.

But overall life is good here and I am not complaining.

I think you could be speaking about your own feeling cos you are basically Indian who is working in a different country so you miss home a lot I guess.

For me this is my home...Home sweet Home.

I like India cos God walked that land many times.

So I love India cos of God and for no other reason.

Dear Renuka,

You have totally missed my clear points.

I would request you to read again the concluding part of my post #15, that you have quoted.


I didn't say that PIO's are not happy with their country of Birth and are living a pathetic life. I didn't say that they can't consider their home country as their sweet home.


I said PIO's in their country of birth are identified exclusively as people of different race with roots from an outside country. For example - there are African American, Indian American, Pakistani American, Indian British, Pakistani British, Indian Malaysian etc..etc.

As well PIO's may be many who cant find themselves deeply and emotionally attached with Mother India. Many are the Indian British who would be happy to find England Team winning the Twenty20 Match and feel totally sad finding their team loosing.. Isn't it? Can you believe this? This is just an example. Basically PIO's are many who will not have the strong sense of Patriotism for Mother India. And for your better clarity, I am neither taking them negatively nor accusing them in any way.

In India TB's are not in the same situation as that of PIO's in terms of Emotional attachment with Mother India. Like many lower cast people TB's face discrimination for sure BUT that doesn't makes any of these discriminated groups as belonging to outside territory of India. They don't fall under the category as some other ethnic race other than Indians.


You are concluding that you Love India only because of God and no other reason. That's perfectly fine and is obvious. This is what I am saying.

Some PIO will love India for Spirituality, some PIO would love India for this unique and diverse culture, some POI would love India for its Beautiful temples and monuments and some PIO may Love India for its natural beauty. But may be very fiew PIO would have a sense of Patriotism towards Mother India.

That's why I said, for PIO's it would be a some what peculiar feelings/liking towards Mother India without any intense emotional attachment with Mother India.

 

[C RAVI]

Mr.Ravi,

Beautifully said in post 15.. Totaaly agree with what u have written... well thought out & said..

Cheers.

Thank you Shri manoharkumar..

 

[prasad1]

I have never lived in Tamil Nadu, but I was born in India, and spent my growing age in North India. I have lived in UK and USA. I am very strongly attached to the country of my birth.
We visit India almost every year, I love to explore various parts of India. You can take me out of India, but it is difficult to get India out of me.
I want to stress that love of a country is not exclusive to the person staying (and feeling miserable) in India. We have generation of Expat Indians, and immigrant foreigners and loving and doing more for India.

 

[C RAVI]

I have never lived in Tamil Nadu, but I was born in India, and spent my growing age in North India. I have lived in UK and USA. I am very strongly attached to the country of my birth.
We visit India almost every year, I love to explore various parts of India. You can take me out of India, but it is difficult to get India out of me.
I want to stress that love of a country is not exclusive to the person staying (and feeling miserable) in India. We have generation of Expat Indians, and immigrant foreigners and loving and doing more for India.

Shri Prasad,

I am very happy to read your Post. And I know many are the NRI's who have the same feelings. I am one among them who all have taken birth in India and have grown for many years with the deep hearted feelings as an Indian.


All I said was - "Many are the PIO's who would be naturally lacking with emotional Love and attachment with Mother India and lacking with the sense of patriotism"

More over I was not talking about expats like you, like me or like any other expats. I was talking about those PIO's who have taken birth and grew in other countries and living as nationals of that country (only those people are called PIO's. Others like you and me are NIR's).

 

[prasad1]

I have a PIO card from Government of India.
So do my children. One of my nephew born in USA has even relocated to India. So I will nor generalize.
But I understand your position better.

 

[C RAVI]

I have a PIO card from Government of India.
So do my children. One of my nephew born in USA has even relocated to India. So I will nor generalize.
But I understand your position better.

Exactly!!! I have not generalized too. I said, many are the PIO's who don't feel any special affiliation with India with deep rooted emotional attachment with Mother India.

 

[prasad1]

Exactly!!! I have not generalized too. I said, many are the PIO's who don't feel any special affiliation with India with deep rooted emotional attachment with Mother India.

eace:

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

renukaji

this is what exactly i don't understand , spirituality is nothing but a fruit of vedic tree. even though with poorva jenma punya palam one enjoys the fruit, to carry it for generations to come one needs the vedic tree to take root.

a brahmin community dedicated to vedas is a pre-requisite for that. why there is no vedic community in southeast Asia? in Singapore we have only visiting purohits .

without karma kanda there is no Gnana kanda

rituals do bring necessary spiritual maturity

 

[renuka]

why there is no vedic community in southeast Asia?

What is the definition of Vedic Community?
Can you please explain?

 

[renuka]

rituals do bring necessary spiritual maturity

Not most of the while..The teachings of Lord Buddha(to me I believe He was an Avatar of Lord Vishnu) did not stress upon on rituals but spiritual maturity is the final goal of His teachings.

I have come across many people who follow teachings of Lord Buddha and are so spiritually advanced and also come across people who dwell in rituals and yet doubt even the capability of God.

 

[renuka]

You are concluding that you Love India only because of God and no other reason. That's perfectly fine and is obvious. This is what I am saying.

Some PIO will love India for Spirituality, some PIO would love India for this unique and diverse culture, some POI would love India for its Beautiful temples and monuments and some PIO may Love India for its natural beauty. But may be very fiew PIO would have a sense of Patriotism towards Mother India.

That's why I said, for PIO's it would be a some what peculiar feelings/liking towards Mother India without any intense emotional attachment with Mother India.

Yes you are right...you see its the spirituality of God that attracts PIO or anyone to India.
The people I have met so far in India are mostly like minded(like me) so I enjoyed my stay as a student in India

The people I met when I was in India were very progressive minded and also practical and were never narrow minded too so it was fun.

Patriotism is another thing all together.

You see we Hindus are supposed to feel Vasudhaiva Kutumbakam and we do recite Loka Samastha Sukhino Bhavantu.

So we are supposed to be Patriotic for the whole universe cos everything is God.

So we really can not say that a PIO might lack a sense of Patriotism for Mother India cos a PIO might be actually be praying for Jagat Hita(benefit of the world) and not just for their country alone.

But Ravi..your post does have relevant points too.
Keep it up.

 

[vgane]

Coming to the main topic I have the following to say about the Japanese:

1. Japanese are the most disciplined race in the world

2. They understand their pitfalls & have adjusted themselves to that -For example they are aware that their motherland is prone to Earthquakes & have decided to tackle that themselves without much ado...They are happy to live in small wooden houses, small parks and narrow roads...With almost 50% population of United States & land area just the size of California state they have learnt to excel in small things...This might explain their excellence in electronics/minature stuff

3. Japanese help one another during crisis...Their solidarity during the recent triple whammy of Tsunami, Earthquake & nuclear disaster is a redeeming aspect...Their sense of community is also very strong

4. Japanese are very polite and humble.

5. They are consicious of hierarchy and show respect to power & authority

6. Japanese believe in meticulous planning & excellent execution with focus on Quality

7. They are not endowed with too many natural resources...But have honest & hardworking people

8. They are very time conscious & give respect to deadlines/timeliness

10. Japanese are wedded to both Buddhism & Shinto (their native religion which is multitheistic). But they have not allowed religions to come in their way of working & they are not intolerant


We have a lot to learn from them....Japan has taken our Buddhist philosophy fast forward.....We too can imbibe from them.

 

[prasad1]

renukaji

this is what exactly i don't understand , spirituality is nothing but a fruit of vedic tree. even though with poorva jenma punya palam one enjoys the fruit, to carry it for generations to come one needs the vedic tree to take root.

a brahmin community dedicated to vedas is a pre-requisite for that. why there is no vedic community in southeast Asia? in Singapore we have only visiting purohits .

without karma kanda there is no Gnana kanda

rituals do bring necessary spiritual maturity

I know you addressed Renuka, but this question is universal.
There are three distinct path Karma, Bhakti, and Gyana.
Just doing karma with out the understanding may bring one temporary wealth, fame etc.
But for true salvation you have to have the knowledge (gyana). Rituals may bring discipline but does not bring you to spirituality.

The Upanishads do not prescribe sacrifices as vehicles for material gain or as sufficient to attain salvation. Freedom from the cycles of birth and death can only be achieved through spiritual perfection and hence prayers and sacrifices must be viewed in this perspective. Each time that we are born gives us an opportunity to come closer to the spiritual perfection and hence we must utilize each life well.

 

[prasad1]

Coming to the main topic I have the following to say about the Japanese:

1. Japanese are the most disciplined race in the world

2. They understand their pitfalls & have adjusted themselves to that -For example they are aware that the their motherland is prone to Earthquakes & have decided to tackle that themselves without much ado...They are happy to live in small wooden houses, small parks and narrow roads...With almost 50% population of United States & land area just the size of California state they have learnt to excel in small things...This might explain their excellence in electronics/minature stuff

3. Japanese help one another during crisis...Their solidarity during the recent triple whammy of Tsunami, Earthquake & nuclear disaster is a redeeming aspect...Their sense of community is also very strong

4. Japanese are very polite and humble.

5. They are consicious of hierarchy & show respect to power & authority

6. Japanese believe in meticulous planning & excellent execution with focus on Quality

7. They are not endowed with too many natural resources...But have honest & hardwaorking people

8. They are very time conscious & give respect to deadlines/timeliness

10. Japanese are wedded to both Buddhism & Shinto (their native religion which is multitheistic). But they have not allowed religions to come in their way of working & they are not intolerant


We have a lot to learn from them....Japan has taken our Buddhist philosophy fast forward.....We too can imbibe from them.

Well said, some of the points made by MMr. Swaminathan were right.
But his preoccupation with bashing muslims, is coloring his views from the facts.
He sees an event and jumps to the conclusion that because of muslim being there or the absence of Muslim. All the activity of the world always come to the binary switch of will-it-hurt muslim, or it-will-not-hurt muslim. It should not be that way.

 

[tks]

Doing Rituals/Karma (Vedic or otherwise) has nothing to do with practicing Karma Yaga.

Working for profit company and doing daily chores like taking a shower could be a successful attempt in practicing Karma Yoga.

Karma Yoga is not possible without knowledge and is a pre-requiste for true Jnana.
Words like sprituality communicate vague ideas and means different things to different people...

renukaji

this is what exactly i don't understand , spirituality is nothing but a fruit of vedic tree. even though with poorva jenma punya palam one enjoys the fruit, to carry it for generations to come one needs the vedic tree to take root.

a brahmin community dedicated to vedas is a pre-requisite for that. why there is no vedic community in southeast Asia? in Singapore we have only visiting purohits .

without karma kanda there is no Gnana kanda

rituals do bring necessary spiritual maturity

 

[tks]

I know you addressed Renuka, but this question is universal.
There are three distinct path Karma, Bhakti, and Gyana.
Just doing karma with out the understanding may bring one temporary wealth, fame etc.
But for true salvation you have to have the knowledge (gyana). Rituals may bring discipline but does not bring you to spirituality.

The Upanishads do not prescribe sacrifices as vehicles for material gain or as sufficient to attain salvation. Freedom from the cycles of birth and death can only be achieved through spiritual perfection and hence prayers and sacrifices must be viewed in this perspective. Each time that we are born gives us an opportunity to come closer to the spiritual perfection and hence we must utilize each life well.

There are not multiple 'paths' to the truth! There is a unification of what is popularly called as multipe paths for one who seeks knowledge.

There are only two life styles - Life of Karma and Life of Sannyasi (devoted to learning). I am not citing exact verse in BG since this is well known.

There is no salavation as a concept since it makes no sense. It is a biblical concept. It is not Moksha which has a different meaning.

There is no such thing as coming closer to perfection with each birth .. The mahavakya 'Tat Tvam Asi' did not add conditionals..

 

[sarang]

Whether you agree or not is irrelevant. Krishna was seen as god by bhishma, vyasa and many others; but there are a few things which he could not (or did not want to) accomplish. This does not make him a lesser god. A cursory read of srimadbhagavadam or vishnu puranam may help you.

For practising hindus, puranams, itihasams and bhakti literature with all their stories and situations are important and are enacted in worship, rituals, and utsavams in all temples - big or small, following agamic traditions or not.

Dear Sarang,

I totally disagree with this statement.
There is nothing impossible for God...it looks impossible becos we are humanizing God.

I am sure we are quite aware there is something called Leela of God.
Krishna is Maya Manusha Vesha Leeladhara..His actions might appear human like but never a time He is not able to carry out what is destined.

Isn't there a verse in Geeta where Lord Krishna shows Arjuna in the battlefield the outcome of the war where all the Kauravas are entering the mouth of destruction?
That itself shows that God is in control of everything and the outcome.

We should never forget that God is the Sutra Dara(Director /Screenplay) for entire Humanity.

Nothing is possible without God and with God nothing is impossible.

11.26-27
amīcatvāḿdhṛtarāṣṭrasyaputrāḥ
sarve sahaivāvani-pāla-sańghaiḥ
bhīṣmo droṇaḥsūta-putras tathāsau
sahāsmadīyair apiyodha-mukhyaiḥ
vaktrāṇite tvaramāṇā viśanti
daḿṣṭrā-karālānibhayānakāni
kecid vilagnā daśanāntareṣu
sandṛśyante cūrṇitair uttamāńgaiḥ


TRANSLATION

All the sons of Dhṛtarāṣṭra, along with their allied kings, and Bhīṣma, Droṇa, Karṇa — and our chief soldiers also — are rushing into Your fearful mouths. And some I see trapped with heads smashed between Your teeth.


PURPORT
In a previous verse the Lord promised to show Arjuna things he would be very interested in seeing. Now Arjuna sees that the leaders of the opposite party (Bhīṣma, Droṇa, Karṇa and all the sons of Dhṛtarāṣṭra) and their soldiers and Arjuna's own soldiers are all being annihilated. This is an indication that after the death of nearly all the persons assembled at Kurukṣetra, Arjuna will emerge victorious. It is also mentioned here that Bhīṣma, who is supposed to be unconquerable, will also be smashed. So also Karṇa. Not only will the great warriors of the other party like Bhīṣma be smashed, but some of the great warriors of Arjuna's side also.​

 

[renuka]

Whether you agree or not is irrelevant. Krishna was seen as god by bhishma, vyasa and many others; but there are a few things which he could not (or did not want to) accomplish. This does not make him a lesser god. A cursory read of srimadbhagavadam or vishnu puranam may help you.

For practising hindus, puranams, itihasams and bhakti literature with all their stories and situations are important and are enacted in worship, rituals, and utsavams in all temples - big or small, following agamic traditions or not.

It is relevant cos we should not humanize God by using words such as "He could not"
We have to see significance of every Leela or "action" of God.

By using such words as"He could not" will only make the tribe of Zakir Naik to increase.

No other religion in the world would say that God "could not".


Cos they know the next question would be "if He could not how can I depend on Him?"

What which apparently looks like a mission "not accomplished" is nothing but part of the Divine Will and Divine Play.

That's why I prefer not to Humanize God.

 

[sarang]

Sanatana dharma is like a banyan tree and will tolerate, accept and nurture many groups, practices and theories. Other major indic religions - jainism and buddhism are like that. These are vastly different from christianity and islam which operate on a single concept, believe theirs is the only path and everyone to fall into that; will not hesitate to adopt violent means to achieve this.

That is christians and muslims gang up immediately when they see a threat (even when there is none) to take to the streets. Hindus have to see a greater level of threat to rise as one unit; perhaps krishna, shivaji or krishnadevaraya will take birth if conditions deteriorate. 'islamic innocence' generated widespread violence or torching of buddhist temples and homes in bangladesh over facebook entry are not isolated events , but norms.

Last two paras too deserve some comments, but they have to wait.

Frankly speaking I feel Indians( as in PIO) seldom see themselves coming under the same Hindu Umbrella.
The caste division comes first.

Indians who are Christian or Muslims too in normal situations also still practice caste divisions but at times of adversity as in when they feel their religion is under threat they will set aside their differences and unite under one umbrella.

This is what Hindus lack..each will be thinking "why should I help the caste which is not mine..
My style of praying is different from his... he does not follow culture and tradition like what it should be like...he is different as me as night and day" but later go one singing Chidananda Roopah Shivoham Shivoham and claim to have Sama Darshinah.

It's times we Hindus stop praising ourselves and actually start to realize God and Humanity.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

renukakji

i think i asked a question to wrong person.

forget it sorry, since you quoted some slokas i thought you have faith in vedic body now i realize my folly.

 

[renuka]

renukakji

i think i asked a question to wrong person.

forget it sorry, since you quoted some slokas i thought you have faith in vedic body now i realize my folly.

Dear sir,

I do not know what gives you the impression that I have no faith in Vedic Body?

All I asked you is to define what you mean by Vedic Community?

You see Vedic Community need not be just a caste but a lifestyle of a group of people so I wanted to see which answer you chose.

For example ISCKON monks I would call them Vedic Community even though they are made up of people of varying races and caste.

All I wanted from you is a definition but now you are saying you are doubting if I have faith in the Vedic Body!LOL

I have no idea what is your definition of Vedic Community but even if you feel that they are absent in South East Asia it does not really matter that much cos God is present everywhere in the world.

 

[sarang]

Muslims sue over Japan anti-terror probe

This is May 2011 news: Fortunately for japan, it isd easier to identify illegal immigrants. India is not so lucky. But psec politician leaders and psec voting public are not as good as the japanese in stopping this cancer.

Muslims sue over Japan anti-terror probe | News.com.au

FOURTEEN Muslims, including Japanese nationals, have filed a lawsuit against the Tokyo and state governments, contending that anti-terrorism investigations by police violated their freedom of faith.

The 14 plaintiffs are demanding a total Y154 million ($1.81 million), or Y11 million each, in compensation for damage after details of what they called an "illegal terrorism investigation" against Muslims were leaked.
More than 100 documents, dated 2004 to 2010 and including data from the FBI, were leaked online in November giving details on people co-operating with terrorism inquiries and on foreigners under investigation in Japan.
The documents came from the Tokyo Metropolitan Police Department's Public Security Bureau and included details on Islamic terrorism suspects and on police informants.
But lawyers for the group - whose own information was leaked - yesterday said 98 per cent of Japan's 72,000 Muslims had been monitored.
For some of them, the private information included not only their names, photos, family members and addresses but also details of their actions such as visits to mosques and internet habits, the lawyers said.
"It has come clear that if you are a Muslim or have any sort of relations with them, you are immediately put under police surveillance," said lawyer Kazuyuki Azusawa.
One of the most serious violations of religious freedom was undercover officers tailing Muslims from mosques, he said.
A store owner in his 40s who didn't want to be identified said he saw his store sales halved after the details were posted.
"I cannot even go back to my country because I may be detained as a suspect of terrorism," he said. "I want the Japanese police to fix my life."
Muslims are a minority religious group in Japan, mostly foreigners, many of whom married Japanese and settled here. But there are some Japanese who have converted to Islam, and the 14 involved in the lawsuit include some converts.


Read more: Muslims sue over Japan anti-terror probe | News.com.au

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

renukaji

my apologies if i offended you.

i meant in simpleton way when i asked about vedic community as commonly acknowledged as Brahmins community preserving Vedas and dedicated to that task only.

as you cleared your stance, we will move on.

does isckon preserve vedas ? if so then i can approach them for vedic rituals . i thot it is only promoting bhakti

 

[renuka]

renukaji

i apologies if i offended you.

i meant in simpleton way when i asked about vedic community as commonly acknowledged as Brahmins community preserving Vedas and dedicated to that task only.

as you cleared your stance, we will move on.

does icskon preserve vedas ? if so the i can approach them for vedic rituals . i thot it is only promoting bhakti

Dear sir,

No need to say sorry ...I am not offended.

I am quite used to people getting the impression that I am not really into religion becos of my rather practical outlook.

Frankly speaking if you ask me to define Vedic Lifestyle I would define it as Satyam Vada Dharmam Cara.

In Malaysia I know a TB priest who does Vedic Rituals...he is basically from India and does fly down to even to Singapore for rituals.

 

[HARE RAMA HARE KRISHNA]

i m looking for a community, Singapore has 3 purohits but none in rig Veda anyway thanks.