Better we lost our advantage in IPL. This IPL culture is stinking and people here tolerated it only for Cricket. Now the Can of Worms got opened and the transparency expected should not lead to the poor Brahman researcher who started it.
shri kunjuppu,
thank you for the above, for you have outlined where our outlook lies in... i was talking here about the nithyakarmas and here you are talking about 'savaram' and 'jetty'... and there i was, referring to gayathri, pujas and vedas...
with due respects, my statement was meant to interpret your hastiness in looking at everything with the same thought... ie., of materialistic growth...
as for your spirited thoughts on how we carry on ...
=> i do not eat bread or cakes or any other such product...
=> i sport a beard (no savaram business... :nod
=> i avoid leather products...
=> i take neemsticks/guava leaves or indian traditional ayurvedic toothpowder... failing which i use vicco.. (only that)
=> i dont drink coffee or soda or liquor or any carbonated beverages
=> fyi, i do sport the komanam... what is wrong with it? you must remember that there was a lengthy thread about komanam in this very forum...
=> i am unaware of the pubic hair savaram part... so will refrain from commenting on it... perhaps that is your domain...
=> i wonder why you didn't hit on the language - english!!!
the world is overrun by mlecchas and their habits (if any?).. it is said that one should not live where a brahmin is not honoured... going by that standards, people like me who insist on tradition cannot live anywhere... but suicide is also a papam.. that is why there is some adjustment allowed... but that is only so much so as to live... it should not become the aim of living (as in your case)...
i have neither your age, nor your feelings, just my experiences; i do not have a family yet, but that is a different story...
your sarcasm notwithstanding, i will not take back my word on your remarks, but sir, there is no personal contempt towards you...
the bottom line is, sir, i think, we are deluded if we think we belong to the same club... but of course, you are free to your rights...
regards,
Better we lost our advantage in IPL. This IPL culture is stinking and people here tolerated it only for Cricket. Now the Can of Worms got opened and the transparency expected should not lead to the poor Brahman researcher who started it.
My son is in the corporate world He has the drive to be a leader and to achieve,the killer instinct of corporate culture. He has booked a flat in OMR road and his monthly EMI will not be less than Rs. 60000 PM.
It is only the gullible amongst us get carried away by big package as big corporate position. Possibility is that others are enjoying more from your son's package than his family. The Corporate Culture is about making people believe and your son has been made to believe for the requirement of Rs.60000 PM EMI for housing when he may not require it. If he has not opted for it, he will loose his job or he would not have been given the job contract. Many who are forced to take loan as part of their package seldom enjoy their property for their propensity to jump jobs. They will also not be reimbursed what has been deducted from their package as settlement!
He is worried about this commitment. In spite of talking about planned wealth creation & investments etc he wants divine guidance and has found a temple where the God gives you confidence in situation like this. This temple is in திரூச்சேறை between Kumbakonam & Tiruvarur . This is Rina Vimochana Ligeswarar(கடன் தொல்லை போக்கும் கடவுள்) :
Any God will bless your son only with another job with another big package and .... hidden clauses! God is more close to Corporate Lords than to poor Brahmins.
:decision:Corporate culture need not be contradictory to your Basic culture We all went to this temple and though temple from outside looks dull and aging inside the is really grand and vibrant I am impressed
Jambu
Jumbu ji. I was waiting for your response to this for long. It is the sub-prime fraud of real estate sector that pulled the economy down to recession in West. Against this only well orchestrated corporate frauds in real estate sector is holding the corporate sector in India. Do you agree to what is said about big packages?I am sorry to say this sir but, your posting only say that your son is lacking in the Corporate Culture. Actually no corporate leader has evolved in the recent past from Tamilnadu. The big corporates that has risen, the sort of Sun TV Group, are all from non Brahmin leadership. The truth is therefore that Brahmins find it difficult to cope up with Corporate Culture.
Today the higher education is about ensuring the employability of the students. Employability comes only if the student is adept is switching to the demands of 'Corporate Culture'. This is not only for MNCs but also for our own private and public sector opportunities. Therefore the Corporate culture has come to stay.
Though we appreciate India as crucible of diverse culture, we are still perturbed about corporate culture. This is because the corporate culture does not gel with our traditional culture to form a more strong an alloy of culture in the crucible. Our traditional cultures get thrown out as stag with corporate culture in the crucible. Unfortunately we are helpless and just cannot do anything than watching the rot happen.
True. The Corporate Culture does not gel in any way with our Brahmin way of life and thus all those who are forced in to balancing these two will definitely forgo one of it. That is the reason that we could not accept any Corporate Leaders from our community as Brahmin Leaders. These leaders also do not claim chastity as Brahmins but still use their Brahmin tags only when it means advantage to them. A true Brahmin leader can evolve only from humble background as Adi Sankara or Ramanuja. Where is that Brahmin Leader? I think that we have to wait for one more generation to get our leader for now none seems to be there in the mold.
ganamukundhapriya
Classically there were four main roles in society: the thinker (brahmin), the leader (kshatriya), the producer (vaishya), and the hand-on doer (shudra).All of them exist in all society,in modern life.
The Brahmins have now adapted and adopted well the Corporate Culture and that is the reason that they could sail against all adversities. They fit in perfectly well at all levels in MNCs proving their global portability. But on the flip side of it the Brahmins are loosing their cultural values to corporate culture! Is it an healthy trend?
I have come to understand the euphemism ‘corporate culture’ as mentioned in this thread as such: this happens with people working together, maybe men women or men alone, a lot of drinking, meateating, wenching and such wild stuff, sex at odd hours, high earning but equally high spending, and above all, an absence of ‘morality’ as defined by middle class norms.
There is also a wide held belief that this is universally and widely prevalent ie almost all folks of a certain age, certain professions, certain careerist indulge in all or some of the above.
I do not wish to dispel such hard held beliefs, but I wish to recount my own experiences as seen here in Canada.
It is true that folks who work in long shifts together, tend to develop camaraderie. These are usually IT operators who, here perhaps work 12 hour shifs for 6 days and get 8 days off or something like that. these people’s body cycle is out of rhythm with the general 9to5 crowd, and hence a natural tendency to cling together pervades. But this exists only till they get married, at which point, the odd hours shifts is great for adjusting babysitting schedules, and hence avoiding expensive daycare.
Most of the careerist put in close to 80 hours or more per week. I do not see any of them have the time for gallivanting or frolicking. Once in a while, an occasional drink after work in a pub may be the norm. those that have families, find it hard, to keep track of their children’s life and growth and lose out on this. this type of long work hours causes tensions within the family, as the wife, usually not only has to do her own day job, but carry on the responsibilities of a household by herself. I have seen a lot of couples break up just due to intense ambition and commitment to their careers.
There are always folks who ‘play’ around. But these are very few, atleast to my knowledge. So, when I read about the widespread prevalency of immoral corporate ‘culture’ in india, I am bound to be sceptical, as to me, this sounds like yet another of those tunes about ‘lost’ culture and values.
I have come to understand the euphemism ‘corporate culture’ as mentioned in this thread as such: this happens with people working together, maybe men women or men alone, a lot of drinking, meateating, wenching and such wild stuff, sex at odd hours, high earning but equally high spending, and above all, an absence of ‘morality’ as defined by middle class norms.
There is also a wide held belief that this is universally and widely prevalent ie almost all folks of a certain age, certain professions, certain careerist indulge in all or some of the above.
I do not wish to dispel such hard held beliefs, but I wish to recount my own experiences as seen here in Canada.
It is true that folks who work in long shifts together, tend to develop camaraderie. These are usually IT operators who, here perhaps work 12 hour shifs for 6 days and get 8 days off or something like that. these people’s body cycle is out of rhythm with the general 9to5 crowd, and hence a natural tendency to cling together pervades. But this exists only till they get married, at which point, the odd hours shifts is great for adjusting babysitting schedules, and hence avoiding expensive daycare.
Most of the careerist put in close to 80 hours or more per week. I do not see any of them have the time for gallivanting or frolicking. Once in a while, an occasional drink after work in a pub may be the norm. those that have families, find it hard, to keep track of their children’s life and growth and lose out on this. this type of long work hours causes tensions within the family, as the wife, usually not only has to do her own day job, but carry on the responsibilities of a household by herself. I have seen a lot of couples break up just due to intense ambition and commitment to their careers.
There are always folks who ‘play’ around. But these are very few, atleast to my knowledge. So, when I read about the widespread prevalency of immoral corporate ‘culture’ in india, I am bound to be sceptical, as to me, this sounds like yet another of those tunes about ‘lost’ culture and values.
Harini,Varnasrama envisaged Cultural identity. Corporates profess dichotomy and cultural duality. It is good if Brahmins refrained from identifying themselves with the Corporate culture.
1. Varnasrama envisaged Cultural identity, and, 2. Corporates profess dichotomy and cultural duality. (emphasis mine). please explain.
Varnasramam is a classification based on the genes that identifies one's culture. Corporate culture is an effort to genetically modify genes for a purpose without minding the side effects.